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UPDATE!! TILTBOT IS BACK! The entire structure is leaning more than before! Casing, BOP... Major action now!

 
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is it starting to lean? or has it been leaning this whole time? you know how many tons that drilling rig weighed? when it went down the pipes were still attached so I personally think it bent the whole well before crimping. this is the first time i've seen an image from that perspective so no way to judge if the tilt is a recent development or if it happened right as the rig went down. need some documented confirmation.
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We are screwed. The well is collapsing from the inside and there is nothing BP or anyone is going to be able to do to fix that. Now we have to wait for the relief wells to be finished. No choice. Even if they could cap the top now, it would just blow out of the sea floor.
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YOU'RE MAKING THE PRESIDENT'S DAUGHTER CRY!!! DID THEY PLUG THE DAMN HOLE YET DADDY? DID THEY??/
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Re: UPDATE!! TILTBOT IS BACK! The entire structure is leaning more than before! Casing, BOP... Major action now!
so if/when the seafloor collapses what happens?
tsunami?

and then the passage of cap and trade?

cap the damn hole first...
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It wouldn't be so devastating to cause tsunamis, since a tsunami it would require a huge cave the size of the Gulf itself to cause a significant tsunami probably also the cave might slowly start to erode in but the problem is WTF might be trapped under neath the ocean floor inside that oil/gas deposit.
The government needs to check this ASAP and issue warnings, no matter what the initial costs might look like!
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Re: UPDATE!! TILTBOT IS BACK! The entire structure is leaning more than before! Casing, BOP... Major action now!
so if/when the seafloor collapses what happens?
tsunami?

and then the passage of cap and trade?

cap the damn hole first...
 Quoting: junipero


It's like watching a 40 mile wide comet heading for its final impact on earth. Somethings are simply outside of the ability of man to stop or control. Governments and corporate spokesmen can talk all they wish, but in the end are really helpless to do much of anything about it.

Like shooting nukes at a 40 mile wide comet, or drilling relief wells into a fragmenting pipe, all we plebeians can do is just wait for the end.

Sorry for my Voltaire channeling, but it's how this entire situation strikes me.
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Re: UPDATE!! TILTBOT IS BACK! The entire structure is leaning more than before! Casing, BOP... Major action now!
It's being undermined by the split in the well casing.

Only a matter of time before it snaps off.

Then the Gulf is truly fucked.



This is my initial thought as well... 450 Tons for the BOP alone, not including all the other crap. If the casing is compromised that is going to weaken the underlying structure.

Need to find SHR and others on here that can comment on what they think is going on.
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weight at surface gravity has little to do with weight in the water especially at depth. have to account for buoyant forces.
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Re: UPDATE!! TILTBOT IS BACK! The entire structure is leaning more than before! Casing, BOP... Major action now!
It's the flex joint. Nothing to worry about.
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Ya...the flex joint...right above the muffler chain , right?
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BP 4402 written on it
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11° angle... GTFOH!

why not 8° or 13°

your making shite up again.
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Re: UPDATE!! TILTBOT IS BACK! The entire structure is leaning more than before! Casing, BOP... Major action now!
It's being undermined by the split in the well casing.

Only a matter of time before it snaps off.

Then the Gulf is truly fucked.



This is my initial thought as well... 450 Tons for the BOP alone, not including all the other crap. If the casing is compromised that is going to weaken the underlying structure.

Need to find SHR and others on here that can comment on what they think is going on.


weight at surface gravity has little to do with weight in the water especially at depth. have to account for buoyant forces.
 Quoting: White Dragon


The "buoyant forces" on 450 tons of steel at that depth would be negligable.
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Vote every fucking incumbent out of office in November.
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Re: UPDATE!! TILTBOT IS BACK! The entire structure is leaning more than before! Casing, BOP... Major action now!
It's being undermined by the split in the well casing.

Only a matter of time before it snaps off.

Then the Gulf is truly fucked.



This is my initial thought as well... 450 Tons for the BOP alone, not including all the other crap. If the casing is compromised that is going to weaken the underlying structure.

Need to find SHR and others on here that can comment on what they think is going on.


weight at surface gravity has little to do with weight in the water especially at depth. have to account for buoyant forces.


The "buoyant forces" on 450 tons of steel at that depth would be negligable.
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wrong:

the density of water DOES increase as one goes deeper into the water. Not by huge amounts as water is basically an incompressible fluid but it does occur. but as you go deeper, your volume (the amount of the water you displace) stays the same -- but the weight of the water you displace goes up. Thus, the buoyant force increases as you go deeper into the water.

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At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if BP hooked up a chain and started pulling on it with a pickup truck!
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Professionally known as the "redneck maneuver".
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Re: UPDATE!! TILTBOT IS BACK! The entire structure is leaning more than before! Casing, BOP... Major action now!
It's being undermined by the split in the well casing.

Only a matter of time before it snaps off.

Then the Gulf is truly fucked.



This is my initial thought as well... 450 Tons for the BOP alone, not including all the other crap. If the casing is compromised that is going to weaken the underlying structure.

Need to find SHR and others on here that can comment on what they think is going on.


weight at surface gravity has little to do with weight in the water especially at depth. have to account for buoyant forces.


The "buoyant forces" on 450 tons of steel at that depth would be negligable.


wrong
 Quoting: White Dragon


Fair enough...give me the numbers
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Re: UPDATE!! TILTBOT IS BACK! The entire structure is leaning more than before! Casing, BOP... Major action now!
their computer sim of the top hat has always showed it slightly off of the vertical centerline.

which looks like the live feeds.

not sure you really want the bop to fall over that would be bad.
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TIBER!!!
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At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if BP hooked up a chain and started pulling on it with a pickup truck!
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That's brilliant.
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TIBER!!!
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Fail!

You meant, timber!
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Vote every fucking incumbent out of office in November.
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INFUCKIN'DEED, AC, indeed.

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At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if BP hooked up a chain and started pulling on it with a pickup truck!
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lol
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Just put some duct tape on the thing and stop it that way lol.. you know.. the handymans secrete weapon lol :) its good for anything from Duct taping a door to a car all the way to Patching up an oil leak.
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Re: UPDATE!! TILTBOT IS BACK! The entire structure is leaning more than before! Casing, BOP... Major action now!
Capturing 40,000 bpd from the current cap with 3 valves open. Bigger cap to be placed next week. Extra 800,000 barrels "spilled" in the meantime.

Doesn't matter if the entire fucking thing falls over as this leak is not going to stop until the relief wells (plural) are finished or the damn thin is depleted.

All the rest is just a dog and pony show to prove BP's valiant attempts at "stopping" the flow.

It's all bullshit.
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I agree, they knew it wouldnt work in the first place.
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It's the flex joint. Nothing to worry about.


Ya...the flex joint...right above the muffler chain , right?
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mufflers use bearings silly
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Re: UPDATE!! TILTBOT IS BACK! The entire structure is leaning more than before! Casing, BOP... Major action now!
Looked like it dropped down about 2 feet then the ROV took off.
No one has ever seen a perfect circle, nor a perfectly straight line, yet everyone knows what a circle and a straight line are.
Perceived circles or lines are not exactly circular or straight, and true circles and lines could never be detected since by definition they are sets of infinitely small points.
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If that things blows open, we're all gonna be
singing:

"What a fellowship, what a joy divine,
Leaning on the everlasting arms;
What a blessedness, what a peace is mine,
Leaning on the everlasting arms.

<Come on everybody>

Leeeannning, leaning, safe and secure from all alarms;
Leeeeaaning, leaning, leaning on the everlasting arms!"
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Re: UPDATE!! TILTBOT IS BACK! The entire structure is leaning more than before! Casing, BOP... Major action now!
It's being undermined by the split in the well casing.

Only a matter of time before it snaps off.

Then the Gulf is truly fucked.



This is my initial thought as well... 450 Tons for the BOP alone, not including all the other crap. If the casing is compromised that is going to weaken the underlying structure.

Need to find SHR and others on here that can comment on what they think is going on.


weight at surface gravity has little to do with weight in the water especially at depth. have to account for buoyant forces.


The "buoyant forces" on 450 tons of steel at that depth would be negligable.


wrong


Fair enough...give me the numbers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 854379


Ok..let me help you then.

Bouyancy increases with the density of the fuid the object is submerged in.

Water is an "almost" non-compressable fuid. (less than 1% over 100 meters depth.

So with no reall increase in density, the BOP would weigh almost the same at depth than at surface.

So...no...not wrong
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The leak is still going strong.

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Re: UPDATE!! TILTBOT IS BACK! The entire structure is leaning more than before! Casing, BOP... Major action now!
It's being undermined by the split in the well casing.

Only a matter of time before it snaps off.

Then the Gulf is truly fucked.



This is my initial thought as well... 450 Tons for the BOP alone, not including all the other crap. If the casing is compromised that is going to weaken the underlying structure.

Need to find SHR and others on here that can comment on what they think is going on.


weight at surface gravity has little to do with weight in the water especially at depth. have to account for buoyant forces.


The "buoyant forces" on 450 tons of steel at that depth would be negligable.


wrong


Fair enough...give me the numbers


Ok..let me help you then.

Bouyancy increases with the density of the fuid the object is submerged in.

Water is an "almost" non-compressable fuid. (less than 1% over 100 meters depth.

So with no reall increase in density, the BOP would weigh almost the same at depth than at surface.

So...no...not wrong
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Typo.....less than 1% over 1000 meters depth
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TIBER!!!
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Uhhh, do you mean "Timber?"
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The leak is still going strong.

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From yesterday, the pressure behind the wild well (not a "leak") appears to have increased.

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