WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO FULL SCALE WAR BETWEEN ISRAEL AND IRAN - ANY LAST COMMENTS BEFORE IT ALL GOES DOWN?

its best for iran to get this started before the 4 u.s. aircraft carriers get there late in july

Another excellent post, Sallam. Well thought out and written.

I don't know what to think. I despise the idea of war. I know too much now.
The elite will, in one way or another, be behind the scenes, controlling the outcome, happy that humans are dying and others are left in misery and pain.
I despise the zionists and have contempt for the Israeli state.
That doesn't mean I want to see those residing there killed, though.

IMO, those in control of the US have been play-acting with their Zionist brothers in Israel; falsifying the 'distrust and displeasure' on both sides. As I stated in a previous post, the US is Israel's bitch. ANY attack on Israel is bound to bring all the power and might of the USA to bear on the attacker.
So I see little chance of this succeeding for Iran. BUT; Iran has been boxed into a corner for a long time. IF they see a way out, even if it is a slim chance, perhaps they will take it and pray for the best....

sharp insight

Okay, I admit, I shouldn't be predicting like this, although it's GLP and plenty of people do it...

It's a part of the culture of the site.

But you're right, I'll change it to just "days", this is less specific.

But what I was trying to get across is that I think people should get prepared, because it is a matter of a few days I think.

Once those ships from Iran cross into Israeli waters, it's on...and the ships are being filled as we speak, Iran said it is going to do it.

I also gave my reasons for WHY Iran is doing it.


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But there, changed it to "very close to war"...

Better?

Last Edited by Sallam on 06/08/2010 08:06 PM

Sallam, I wish to point out I am neutral but I have some questions for you on these regards:

Do you doubt/assume the USA will intervene on Israel's behalf? How will Iran commit troops as well? I mean if Iran goes through Iraq it's game over Iran but now that Turkey is cooperating along with Syria it compounds things.

Also off topic but on topic, if Iran and it's Middle-Eastern Coalition as we'll dub it topple the Israel government what do you believe should be done? Then lets also assume the major player involved will be Iran which is headed by religious extremists.

Thanks.

I agree with you on every point.

The US and Israel are one, for deeper reasons that are far outside of the scope of this thread, yeah, Israel has nothing to worry about as far as US support.

This "Obama is a Muslim", "Obama hates Israel" stuff is just right wing political posturing...Obama has no control, all presidents are mid level glad handers, a beard for the real power structure behind the scenes, so it doesn't really matter WHAT Obama thinks anyway.

It's like WWF wrestling, Hulk Hogan may win this week, or Jimmy Superfly next week, but Vince McMahon wins every week.

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I don't see Iran winning by any means, I don't think anyone "wins" in the type of conflict we are likely to see here.

But Iran can deal a devastating blow, and as I said earlier, either way nukes will fly, if Iran sits and does nothing, nukes will fly, if they wait until attacked, then attack back, nukes will fly, if they strike first, nukes will fly.

Any way you slice it nukes will fly.

If you go back even to Bush's era, and start carefully disseminating the rhetoric, it becomes startlingly clear that nuclear weapons are very much a part of the attack plan for Iran.

All of this talk of "nothing off the table" is just that.

I don't think there is any real debate about IF there will be an attack on Iran, the only debate would have been whether or not to use nukes, and I think the latest round of AIPAC ass kissing says loud and clear that the debate is over, and "no options will be left off the table".


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I think the Israeli/American idea is to completely overwhelm Iran with a "nuclear shock and awe", and render them completely unable to strike back at Israel with one shot.

And I think Iran knows it.

So they have nothing to lose.

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But I will say this about Iran, they aren't stupid, and if there is a way to put up a fight, I think they will find it.

They are pretty artful and brutal when it comes to war, and they are willing to sacrifice a lot more to achieve an objective.

I have read about things that Iran did just to keep a stalemate in the Iraq/Iran war, and they both make your skin crawl in their brutality, but at the same time make you respect them for their commitment to die on their feet rather than capitulate even one inch.

I feel sorry for the innocents, but at the same time I sometimes feel like the world needs a shakeup right now, there needs to be a transfer of power in the world as well, a force to counter these bloodthirsty Eugenics loving occultists.

"i like dogs"

Of course the US will come in Israels behalf.

The USA is Israels proxy, as paradoxical as it seems for the larger stronger country to be controlled by the smaller state, it is the truth as I see it.

In fact I would wager that the IDF will do as little as possible, Israeli's almost worship their own bodies as idols, the loss of one of their own is a little crime against humanity to them, why risk Jewish blood unless you absolutely have to?

So I imagine Israel will barely fight at all, and just sit back and rely on America.

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I disagree with you entirely on Iraq.

The second the first bombs fall, Iranians WILL stream across the borders on both sides, and it will not be game over Iran but rather game over American troops.

Iran has likely been tracking every single US troop in those countries and formulating plans for years now.

Supply lines are weak and easily exploited, the occupied peoples in those countries are ripe for rebellion and will be more hostile to the US than to Iranians I believe.

I believe Iran will isolate and decimate US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, they are probably chomping at the bit to get over there, because they are useless in the air, and it is one of the few things they could do, and do well.

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As far as what should be done if Israel falls?

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE is that a two state solution for Israel/Palestine should be enforced by a new Arab league, with one contiguous Palestine next to one contiguous Israel, and a shared capital in Jerusalem.

But this will never happen.

This is what I would like to see


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What you more likely WOULD see in this situation would be large scale killings of the Jewish people, and deportation/imprisonment of Jews and a recreated Palestine.

But this is only if Iran, Turkey, and Iran's proxies Syria and Hezbollah/Lebanon completely prevail, which also would not happen.

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I think the reality will be mass killings on both sides with the US/Israel using nukes, many American troop deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan, and a world so shocked at the end of it all that they embrace the one world government that the elites crave.

In the end I think nothing will come of this but more death, and more big brother.

Last Edited by Sallam on 06/08/2010 09:04 PM

I don't get it, would you like to see a genocide?

No.

I said I PERSONALLY would like to see a two state solution.

ONE PALESTINE.

ONE ISRAEL.

That's what I would like to see.

But I know neither side seems to understand the whole civility thing, so even something as simple as that probably will not work.

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Then I said what probably WOULD happen...(if Iran won, remember, this is what the person asked my opinion on)...

I said what you probably WOULD see is mass Israeli death deportation, imprisonment.

Doesn't mean I agree with it, it's just what I think would happen if they ever completely won a war with your country.

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But then AGAIN, I said I did not think that was likely at all either.

Last Edited by Sallam on 06/08/2010 09:08 PM

it was not clear, now it is.
thanks for the clarification.

Deadly serious.

Sorry, maybe I was too harsh on you.

It's just the word genocide...

Hey, what do you think will happen if Iran pulls this stunt?

If this is what you think
then it is time for those in military - navy - air
positions in both USA and Israel (etc)
to turn their weapons on their dark masters and put an end to the puppet controllers above them once and for all.
They care naught for either side ultimately.
They want depopulation and control and they want your sons and daughters to do it and die for them asap.

I say we start with the dark masters first.

Remind them of the power in numbers.

I like the way you think.

In Iran too, and just about every other country in the world.

We need sanity in power on Earth as a whole.

Last Edited by Sallam on 06/08/2010 09:10 PM

I just had a vision and here is how it happens.

The three ships Iran is sending will be sunk. Iran will use force to try and sink Israel ships and some3 will; sustain damage but none will sink.

The surrounding Muslim world will be ready to rise up and attack Israel but just before it goes down a very smooth politician type will arrive upon the scene and calm things down. He will suggest giving Palestinians more land and also a new peace treaty with all Arab nations.

Israel will give away more land to the Palestinians, recognize them as a nation, and then sign a 7 year peace treaty with their "former" enemies.

The peace will last approximately 3.5 years and then war and chaos will start.

OK well maybe I saw this in my minds eye but it will happen very similar to this.

I guess you were reffering to its flotilla to gaza strip.
In my opinion Egypt won't let it pass. I'm also not sure if Hamas would like to cooperate with this act.

I hope no violence will come out of it.

Yet one might ask himself if it's something to do with the coming new sanctions on Iran.

Great thread op.

I guess my comment before this all goes down is to fess up to the board and admit this situation scares me.
I`ve been a big blo hard calling for Iran to get it`s ass kicked.

All the testerone aside, this is probably gonna be the worse conflict the world has ever seen and when you consider all the regional players it`s a worse situation than even N. korea imo.

Man, there`s a lot of people gonna die on all sides.

America is not helping anymore its every man for himself.

Totally, nothing says lovin like decapitation and dismemberment.

This whole thread is BS because Israel will not hesitate to drop nukes all over Iran, I hope Ahmadinejad is bluffing, cause Persians are lovely people and good people.

Definitely.

Do you know anything about the way in which the Iraq/Iran war was fought?

Iran is no cakewalk.

They used to give their children little plastic keys, telling them that they were "the keys to heaven", and then march them across minefields to clear the way for troops.

When you are fighting a people that take their religion and way of life this seriously people cannot understand what they are capable of to win.

Iran keeps a record of volunteer suicide bombers, people who go and sign a contract stating that they will blow themselves up in organized suicide bomber units.

They are rumored to be over one million of these.

The Basij, the Iranian civilian volunteer army is one million strong itself.

America lost 3000 on 9/11 and went absolutely apeshit, they lost 3000 troops so far and the media has to hide it for fear of the public turning on the war effort.

In the Iraq Iran war the Iranians lost half a million people and millions were wounded.

I just don't think Americas knows what it's dealing with here.

And now with Turkey getting involved???

If Iran is attacked the entire Muslim world is going to be radicalized, trust me on that, the whole concept of an enlightened Muslim goes right out the window.

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Editor's Note: Ominous, rapidly moving developments are transpiring this week in the Middle East to the extent that we felt compelled to issue a special mid week update due to the urgent seriousness of the situation. It is entirely possible that we may shift our news coverage on this website to a "YELLOW ALERT" status by this coming weekend or early next week, if Iran and Turkey carry through on their plans to challenge Israel's naval blockade of the Gaza Strip. Both Turkey and Iran are reportedly planning to have naval escorts for their next aid flotilla sailing to the Gaza Strip. Iranian ships are reported to be sailing from Iran by this weekend to rendevous with a new Turkish aid flotilla and jointly attempt to break through Israel's blockade, risking a military clash with Israel.

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We're posting below related stories on this developing situation as well as related issues including reports that Osama Bin Laden has been in hiding in Iran for the past 5 years. Iran reportedly gave him and his cohorts special sanctuary. This and much more information will be found in a special A-O INTELLIGENCE Report update found in the "donor section" - i.e. The A-O Insider Report. Should situations warrant this week, we'll post additional updates before our regular weekend features. Stay tuned - June is shaping up to be a potentially wild ride of events.


Russia, Turkey & Iran Hold Summit


The Makings of a Magog Alliance?


Ezekiel 38-39 Coming To Fulfillment?

Russian Prime Minieter Vladimir Putin, Iranian President Ahmadinejad and Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan met in Turkey on Monday and again Tuesday - June 8. For many prophecy analysts, this regional summit brings together all the major parties mentioned in Ezekiel's Magog War prophecies. It will be interesting to find out at a later point what the 3 critical leaders agreed upon in secret meetings together. For more on the summit itself and concerns in Washington

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Iran’s Red Crescent Society is preparing to send two aid boats to Gaza this week to challenge the Israeli embargo. The announcement came a day after a senior Iranian official offered Revolutionary Guardsas escorts for vessels challenging the blockade — a move that would be seen in Israel as a provocation. Nine people were killed in an Israeli commando raid on a Turkish aid flotilla last week.“One ship will carry donations made by the people and the other will carry relief workers. The ships will be sent to Gaza by end of this week,” said Abdolrauf Adibzadeh, the head of the Red Crescent in Iran, adding that a third boat could follow at a later date.
The first two vessels will head to Gaza in co-ordination with the Turkish Government, one of them carrying “70 aid workers such as nurses and medics and the other will have foodstuffs and medicines”, Mr Adibzadeh said. He called for volunteers to join the convoy. The third boat would have an operating theatre on board.

The A-O Report has learned that along with these "aid relief" workers will be special volunetters from the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. Also, intelligence reports out of the Mideast indicate that Iran will also send naval warships to escort the relief flotilla to ensure that the blockade is broken or that war breaks out.

The Iranian flotilla will reportedly rendevous with a Turkish-led aid flotilla which will be escorted by Turkish warships and air force warplanes ready to engage Israeli military forces in combat if needed. For more on this story, LINK HERE.

When you are dealing with Iran you have to look a the world as seen through thier eyes, in particular 12'ver eyes - because that is who is totally in charge of the regime nowadays.

Only one thing matters to them - the return of the 12th Immam to lead the endtimes jihad and conquer the world for (shia) Islam - he will only return when the world is 'drenched in blood' - and yes his return can be hastened by causing that to occur!

They need to do it in such a manner that it is a 'just' cause both for religious reasons and to gain the leadership of the 'Islamic street' - that is why they have been backing Israel into a corner for all these yrs - issuing death threats, developing missiles and nukes - they have been trying to force Israel to attack them.

Basically they are trying to initiate a nuclear war between the infidel powers, leaving the muslims on a level playing field to conquer the world - the Shias need to do this before the Sunnis take Europe via outbreeding us all.

Also they need the Israelis to use thier Sampson option against the entire Muslim M.E - especially the Arab neighbours that will invade as soon as they are vulnerable - this leaves the Sunnis suitably leaderless and demoralised, ready to invade europe en-mass under Shia Iranian leadership.

This is the world as seen through the Mullahs eyes - though of course the NWO is playing them like suckers and has it's own plans.

Whoever said that Egypt would not allow the ships to pass thru the Suez Canal is probably right. This is more to cause Egypt embarassment than anything else because of Egypts is to some degree trying to prevent the smuggling of Iranian weapons into Gaza.

Hopefully they nuke each other off the face of the earth.

2 less countries that don't want to live in peace to worry about.

I couldn't have said it better Sallam.

It takes two fearful twats to tango.

In this corner we have an 5000+ year old oppressed people illegally occupying another country wearing the protective armor of zionist Anglo-Saxons.

In this corner we have one of the oldest civilizations on the planet led by a Anti-Semitic nut-job wearing a shroud of denial of the Holocaust.

LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!!

The ultimate outcome from all of this should be peace.

I disagree with you Sallam on the reaction of the USA. Although Obama appears to be lazy militarily, his Generals are not and will react without him. As much as Iran may have been reconing, the USA has the capability to wipe them out. The real concern is that I think North Korea and Iran are in collusion.

I think North Korea may attack whenever it seems the USA may attack Iran, because we will. If Korea erupts things change and yes Iran could deflect and even route soldiers out of Iraq. I just hope you also understand the US military is essentially battle-hardened from so many years of conflict. I mean when was the last time Iran truly fought a war, the 80's?

You answered my question honestly about what would happen. I'm sure you're aware of the extremely large number of Jews now residing in Israel. I may agree with how the Palestinians were rooked out of an equal country for all involved, but if all those Jews are killed why as a relative to holocaust survivors I couldn't tolerate that.

Thus I ask another question, is the answer more we need a reorganization of an Israeli government/constitution/state then we need to wipe it out of existence along with the Jews living there? I mean how many nations are the homeland to Arabs and how many for Jews? Yes the Jews have been out for a while, but even if no Jewish state appeared do you think that was stopping the number of Zionists arriving in Israel/Palestine before WW1, WW2 and Israel's formation?

I will repeat though, peace is favorable to war. Israel nuking Iran is no better then Jerusalem capitulating to religious extremists.