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Tim Adams was the Chief Elections Clerk for the city and county of Honolulu, Hawaii, during the 2008 presidential election. As Chief Elections Clerk, he supervised a staff of 50 and had access to all the database to verify documents like birth certificates and birth places of campaign candidates.

On June 5, 2010, Adams was interviewed by James Edwards of the Political Cesspool radio show. Adams says unequivocally:

“Barack Obama was NOT born in Hawaii.”

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Tim Adams was the Chief Elections Clerk for the city and county of Honolulu, Hawaii, during the 2008 presidential election. As Chief Elections Clerk, he supervised a staff of 50 and had access to all the database to verify documents like birth certificates and birth places of campaign candidates.

On June 5, 2010, Adams was interviewed by James Edwards of the Political Cesspool radio show. Adams says unequivocally:

“Barack Obama was NOT born in Hawaii.”

[link to fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com]


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Wow! So Obama's mother was not an American? Since when?
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I did not hear him say that. He said Obama was NOT born in Hawaii. And there was no long form birth certificate .

And she was not old enough to pass citizenship to Barry if he was born in another country. Back in those days, one had to be 21 to reach majority. So.. She was a minor.

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I did not hear him say that. He said Obama was NOT born in Hawaii. And there was no long form birth certificate .

And she was not old enough to pass citizenship to Barry if he was born in another country. Back in those days, one had to be 21 to reach majority. So.. She was a minor.
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She was an American minor, you are right. Did she have papers saying she gave up her citizenship before she had Obama?

Did the United States declare her an Illegal? Where is the proof? All this time Obama should not of been allowed to hold office without proof of his citizenship.

I don't get the fact that many who have run for office only to be caught breaking the law has stepped down from running for office.

Someone by now has the proof of Obama's mother giving up her U.S. citizenship.

This is not about Obama. This is about his mother's U.S. citizenship.
There is a newspaper photo of births in Hawaii showing Obama's birth there. Is this a fake?


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I have yet to understand what you mean by his mother giving up her citizenship? She did not.. that I know of.

Obama can be a citizen for all I know. BUT he is NOT a natural born citizen. And that my dear friend, IS a constitutional requirement to be the POTUS. Which by his father being of Kenyan nationality/ British citizenship would blow that argument out of the water since BOTH parents would have to be American Citizens and Barack being born on US soil to be NATURAL born.

Obama being born on US soil and parents of two different citizenships may make him a US citizen. BUT NOT natural born citizen.

What is your problem that you cannot understand this? Or.. Is it you do not want to?

This guy in the video said Obama was NOT born in Hawaii. Therefore.. it is obvious he is not born in the USA.

So that leaves. Two parents of different citizenships and NOT born in USA. The mother a MINOR. If born in Kenya. He is a British Citizen.
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There is a newspaper photo of births in Hawaii showing Obama's birth there. Is this a fake?

Acording to the guy who was Chief Elections Clerk. YES.
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Who gives a fuck where he was born. His dad is not a citizen. Natural born citizens are born from 2 citizens. This shit is more disinfo to confuse the issue.
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I did not hear him say that. He said Obama was NOT born in Hawaii. And there was no long form birth certificate .

And she was not old enough to pass citizenship to Barry if he was born in another country. Back in those days, one had to be 21 to reach majority. So.. She was a minor.


She was an American minor, you are right. Did she have papers saying she gave up her citizenship before she had Obama?

Did the United States declare her an Illegal? Where is the proof? All this time Obama should not of been allowed to hold office without proof of his citizenship.

I don't get the fact that many who have run for office only to be caught breaking the law has stepped down from running for office.

Someone by now has the proof of Obama's mother giving up her U.S. citizenship.

This is not about Obama. This is about his mother's U.S. citizenship.
There is a newspaper photo of births in Hawaii showing Obama's birth there. Is this a fake?


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Do a search here for threads pertaining to Obama's birth.
Or google for it. You are way behind, and not well informed.
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I have yet to understand what you mean by his mother giving up her citizenship? She did not.. that I know of.

Obama can be a citizen for all I know. BUT he is NOT a natural born citizen. And that my dear friend, IS a constitutional requirement to be the POTUS.

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So, DO tell us, dumbass, WHAT exactly, a 'natural born' citizen is, and WHY Obama isn't one??
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According to the Senate of the USA..just like every other country..

A natural born citizen is one who is born in the country of which BOTH parents are citizens.

Obama's Parents. Mother is US Citizen. Father is British Citizen.

Result. Obama is NOT natural born.

How hard is this?

A citizen and a natural born citizen are two different things.

Anyone may become a citizen. But not all citizens are natural born.

To be POTUS, he has to be Natural born.

Obama is NOT natural Born. He is not eligible to hold the office of POTUS. Every thing he signs is illegal.

THAT is the problem.

So. Are you just ignorant or just contentious?

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This also means he is probably an illegal alien.
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Asinine bsflag
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Who gives a fuck where he was born. His dad is not a citizen. Natural born citizens are born from 2 citizens. This shit is more disinfo to confuse the issue.
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your an idiot
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A natural born citizen is one who is born in the country of which BOTH parents are citizens.

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Just because you state that doesn't make it so. More BS like the other thread.

And this whole thread has yet to prove 1) this guy claiming all this worked in Hawaii and 2) had access to birth certificates..
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The Senate defined “natural born Citizen” in 2008, and Obama didn’t qualify
DEMOCRAT SENATOR PATRICK LEAHY AND OTHERS “RESOLVED” THAT IT TOOK TWO CITIZEN PARENTS TO BE A “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”
by Tim DeJong



Sir William Blackstone, English law scholar whose philosophy was based on the Ten Commandments
(May 17, 2010) — The simple truth in evidence is Obama’s own declaration that he was born of a British father and is therefore not a “natural born Citizen.”

-snip-


Read it and weep-.
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According to the Senate of the USA..just like every other country..

A natural born citizen is one who is born in the country of which BOTH parents are citizens.

Obama's Parents. Mother is US Citizen. Father is British Citizen.

Result. Obama is NOT natural born.

How hard is this?

A citizen and a natural born citizen are two different things.

Anyone may become a citizen. But not all citizens are natural born.

To be POTUS, he has to be Natural born.

Obama is NOT natural Born. He is not eligible to hold the office of POTUS. Every thing he signs is illegal.

THAT is the problem.

So. Are you just ignorant or just contentious?
 Quoting: NightWisp


Thank god, for once someone has correctly made the distinction between being a citizen and a natural born citizen.

Section 1 of Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution states that a President must:

- Be a natural born citizen of the united States
- Be at least 35 years old
- Have lived in the U.S. for at least 14 years
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i'm pretty sure the reason behind the whole non natural citizen thing is so they can amend the law and will be able to place anyone (as long as they gain citizenship) in the oval orifice
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Asinine bsflag
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**********

Don't be so hard on yourself....
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i'm pretty sure the reason behind the whole non natural citizen thing is so they can amend the law and will be able to place anyone (as long as they gain citizenship) in the oval orifice
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They don't even have to take it that far ... its obvious most people don't know there is a difference anyways.
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Honolulu Chief Elections Clerk Says Obama Not Born in Hawaii

June 9, 2010 · 53 Comments

Tim Adams was the Chief Elections Clerk for the city and county of Honolulu, Hawaii, during the 2008 presidential election. As Chief Elections Clerk, he supervised a staff of 50 and had access to all the database to verify documents like birth certificates and birth places of campaign candidates.

On June 5, 2010, Adams was interviewed by James Edwards of the Political Cesspool radio show. Adams says unequivocally:

“Barack Obama was NOT born in Hawaii.”

[link to fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com]


 Quoting: NightWisp



this story should get some traction today
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."
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food, water, ammo, weapons, battery back up solar, hand well pump, wood stove and 1 year of food...oh yeah PM's too...good luck
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Honolulu Chief Elections Clerk Says Obama Not Born in Hawaii

June 9, 2010 · 53 Comments

Tim Adams was the Chief Elections Clerk for the city and county of Honolulu, Hawaii, during the 2008 presidential election. As Chief Elections Clerk, he supervised a staff of 50 and had access to all the database to verify documents like birth certificates and birth places of campaign candidates.

On June 5, 2010, Adams was interviewed by James Edwards of the Political Cesspool radio show. Adams says unequivocally:

“Barack Obama was NOT born in Hawaii.”

[link to fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com]


 Quoting: NightWisp

Birthers still at it!

you people make me laugh!

common sense is loss with yea!
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[link to www.thepostemail.com]

The Senate defined “natural born Citizen” in 2008, and Obama didn’t qualify
DEMOCRAT SENATOR PATRICK LEAHY AND OTHERS “RESOLVED” THAT IT TOOK TWO CITIZEN PARENTS TO BE A “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”
by Tim DeJong



Sir William Blackstone, English law scholar whose philosophy was based on the Ten Commandments
(May 17, 2010) — The simple truth in evidence is Obama’s own declaration that he was born of a British father and is therefore not a “natural born Citizen.”

-snip-


Read it and weep-.
 Quoting: NightWisp


"Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen," said Leahy. "I expect that this will be a unanimous resolution of the Senate."

"My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen," Chertoff replied."

Just because being born to two parents who are American citizens makes you an Naturalized American citizen, does not mean that being born to two parents who are not American citizens makes you not a naturalized citizen.

Naturalized citizen means you are a citizen at birth. There are two ways to be considered a citizen at birth. One way is to be born to two parents who are American citizens. There other way is to be born on Anerican soil.

Under this analysis even if Obama's parents aren't citizens, he can still be considered a naturalized citizen if he was born on American soil. Therefore, the only legitimate challenge that exists is whether Obama was born on American soil in Hawaii.

It's possible that he is covering up that he was not born on American soil. It is also possible that he is not. We here at GLP do not have access to that information. All we know is that he has abided by the laws by showing the short form birth certificate to prove birth on American soil. He is not required to do anything else by law.

The requirements for being considered natural born aren't spelled out in the Constitution, but Wikipedia does a good job at tracing the history of the Natural Born Citizen debate. The debate is pretty reflective of the Oxford definition of natural born.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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He who laughs last, laughs best.

Logic is lost on you.

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[link to www.thepostemail.com]

The Senate defined “natural born Citizen” in 2008, and Obama didn’t qualify
DEMOCRAT SENATOR PATRICK LEAHY AND OTHERS “RESOLVED” THAT IT TOOK TWO CITIZEN PARENTS TO BE A “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”
by Tim DeJong



Sir William Blackstone, English law scholar whose philosophy was based on the Ten Commandments
(May 17, 2010) — The simple truth in evidence is Obama’s own declaration that he was born of a British father and is therefore not a “natural born Citizen.”

-snip-


Read it and weep-.


"Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen," said Leahy. "I expect that this will be a unanimous resolution of the Senate."

"My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen," Chertoff replied."

Just because being born to two parents who are American citizens makes you an Naturalized American citizen, does not mean that being born to two parents who are not American citizens makes you not a naturalized citizen.

Naturalized citizen means you are a citizen at birth. There are two ways to be considered a citizen at birth. One way is to be born to two parents who are American citizens. There other way is to be born on Anerican soil.

Under this analysis even if Obama's parents aren't citizens, he can still be considered a naturalized citizen if he was born on American soil. Therefore, the only legitimate challenge that exists is whether Obama was born on American soil in Hawaii.

It's possible that he is covering up that he was not born on American soil. It is also possible that he is not. We here at GLP do not have access to that information. All we know is that he has abided by the laws by showing the short form birth certificate to prove birth on American soil. He is not required to do anything else by law.

The requirements for being considered natural born aren't spelled out in the Constitution, but Wikipedia does a good job at tracing the history of the Natural Born Citizen debate. The debate is pretty reflective of the Oxford definition of natural born.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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sorry i meant natural born and not naturalized
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The Senate defined “natural born Citizen” in 2008, and Obama didn’t qualify
DEMOCRAT SENATOR PATRICK LEAHY AND OTHERS “RESOLVED” THAT IT TOOK TWO CITIZEN PARENTS TO BE A “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”
by Tim DeJong



Sir William Blackstone, English law scholar whose philosophy was based on the Ten Commandments
(May 17, 2010) — The simple truth in evidence is Obama’s own declaration that he was born of a British father and is therefore not a “natural born Citizen.”

-snip-


Read it and weep-.
 Quoting: NightWisp


Typical ignoramus misreading the text. He didn't say it was the only way one was a natural born citizen. He said if you are born to two, you would be. Duh. Idiot.
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There is no "Chief Elections Clerk" position, it is "Chief Elections Officer". A few minutes of research on Google and you can verify this for yourself.

An article from the Honolulu Star Bulletin ( [link to www.starbulletin.com] ) states that Scott Nago is currently the interim Chief Elections officer. He took over this position from Kevin Cronin, who was hired in 2007.

Your article states that Tim Adams was the "clerk" in 2008. The name Tim Adams only appears in link directly related to the article you posted, and I can find no independent evidence at all of a person by this name occupying any elections position in 2008.

It would appear that your article is incorrect.
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If he was born in the canal zone which would have been a US protectorate. Or nearby Base. Obviously there were questions or it would not have been brought up.
I do not think he is natural born. But at least both parents are Americans. And .. he is NOT President. So it matters not. He never will be. It is a moot point.

A Naturalized citizen is NOT natural born.
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It would appear that your article is incorrect.
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Now we discredit the speaker. It is on the video/tape.

I guess you guys will hang on to Obama til your dying day. The way things are going, It won't be long for most of the earth.

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He who laughs last, laughs best.

Logic is lost on you.
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You could not follow logic if you wanted too!

that would be laughing!!!!!

I bet all birthers IQ's are less then 100 it has to be.


just like the folks that think the BP well was on fire underwater
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He who laughs last, laughs best.

Logic is lost on you.

You could not follow logic if you wanted too!

that would be laughing!!!!!

I bet all birthers IQ's are less then 100 it has to be.


just like the folks that think the BP well was on fire underwater
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*******
Oh well. I did take a course in logic. Did you?
Passed it too.

As to the other... wrong again. Try twice that number.

Actually the gulf floor is rising and probably a super volcano rising. I do not know about the fire.

What has that to do with the thread? Oh yeah. Last resort in rules for radicles.. Call names.

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