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The risks of believing that the Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012!

 
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The risks of believing that the Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012!
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Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012!


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About eight years ago John Major Jenkins and I had a debate about the meaning of the Mayan calendar end date focusing especially on whether the energies of the Long Count ends on October 28, 2011 or December 21, 2012. This still remains the most important question anybody interested in the “2012 phenomenon” is faced with, but while at the time the debate might have seemed theoretical, or even hairsplitting, it is now a question that has very significant and practical consequences as to how we relate to the future. While many would like to sweep the end date question under the rug or sit on the fence, no one can do so with their intellectual integrity intact. Since that debate Jenkins has appeared on a History Channel documentary where December 21 2012 is presented as a predetermined “doomsday” when the world is going to come to an end. I get quite a few letters, sometimes from young people that worry that the world will come to an end at this date since they have seen this documentary posted on YouTube. While most knowledgeable people would probably reject this way of presenting the Mayan calendar it is still important to ask the question who benefits from it. I feel there are indeed many people, also apart from the participants in such documentaries that benefit from the claim that the Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012. Thus, I do not think that it is an accident that we do not hear of the October 28, 2011 date in public media. To begin with, as far as I know no one who adheres to the end date of October 28, 2011 has ever presented this as a predetermined doomsday and thus unduly associated the Mayan calendar with fear.

Since the abovementioned debate two different intellectual cultures have emerged around the two possible end dates, one based on belief (December 21, 2012) and one based on evidence (October 28, 2011). These two cultures are about as different from one another as any one of them is from that using the Gregorian calendar. The proposal of the December 21, 2012 date is based on the unproven belief that the precessional cycle actually means something for human evolution, and, amazingly, as far as I know no one advocating this end date seems to have even bothered to try to prove this basic assumption. In contrast, the October 28, 2011 date is based on massive scientific evidence that the Nine Underworlds and Thirteen Heavens known from ancient Mayan sources indeed describe cosmic evolution in all of its aspects. Moreover, while there is extensive evidence that the Maya based prophecy and prediction on shifts between baktuns, katuns, tuns etc, not a single ancient Mayan text mentions the 26,000 year precessional cycle. Since those advocating the December 21, 2012 end date do not identify shift points in the Mayan calendar leading up to their end date their hypothesis is however not testable from the predictions made, which is the hallmark of any serious scientific theory. Hence, it must be qualified as belief rather than science. Based on nothing more than belief a culture has subsequently emerged around the December 21, 2012 date, since it serves as an ideal projection screen for fantasies, fears and hopes rather than something that can be proven and understood scientifically based on the patterns of the Mayan calendar.

The October 28, 2011 end date can however be rationally understood. It has also been verified by several predictions, most recently my own that an economic collapse would set in and when it would do so: Regardless of what forms such a [financial] collapse may take it seems that the best bet is for it to occur close to the time that the Fifth NIGHT begins, in November 2007 [strictly speaking the 19th] (The Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of Consciousness, page 233). In accordance with this prediction economists now agree that it began in December of 2007, see Figure 1). This prediction was actually formulated already in my first book in English, Solving the Greatest Mystery of Our Time: The Mayan Calendar written in 1999 and published in 2001 (page 187). This is really a direct parallel to Edgar Cayce’s famous prediction of the time for the New York stock exchange crash, in this case however made about ten years in advance, and so was made much earlier than any professional economist even considered such an economic meltdown. I however do not claim to have some unusual psychic abilities, and instead this prediction attests to the fact that with the right end date, October 28, 2011 the mystery of the Mayan calendar has been exactly solved. That these predictions were accurate can be verified by anyone, who cares to examine the relevant pages in my books. In contrast no one who claimed that the end date of the Mayan calendar is December 21, 2012 made any similar prediction and can mostly not credit themselves with having made one single accurate prediction based on the Mayan calendar. Already this should be a red flag for anyone looking for a way to understand the evolution of civilization based on the Mayan calendar.

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TPTB want the people to think, that they have more time to prepare... more time to grow...

but this is an illusion, brought to people by a huge marketing campain, which will increase more and more, in order to prospone time!
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A calendar doesn't end it just starts over

What planet do all the 2012 people live on???
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A calendar doesn't end it just starts over

What planet do all the 2012 people live on???
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Yes. I find it interesting that an ancient people were capable of observing this celestial time frame though.
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A calendar doesn't end it just starts over

What planet do all the 2012 people live on???
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+1

Even the Mayan's think we're crazy for believing the world will end in 2012.
"And as things fell apart, nobody paid much attention"
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What I find fantastic is any notion that there are answers beyond the realm of science. The answers are there. You just have to know where to look.

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It's been better this way, not knowing when it will happen, just that you have to prepare and fix yourself, because that way you're more ready for things coming in out of the blue, which is the thing to expect really.
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oh yeah well i just checked my calendar on the computer and it only goes to 2099. OMG THE WORLD WILL END FOR THE SECOND TIME IN 2099!
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A calendar doesn't end it just starts over

What planet do all the 2012 people live on???
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Seriously. You guys read GLP and are suppose to be hip to all this and yet you still want to crack dumb little jokes like sheeple..

Read up on why their calendar ended up on a specific point and what it means for humanity and consciosness.
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A calendar doesn't end it just starts over

What planet do all the 2012 people live on???
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Especially considering the mayan calendar doesn't end in 2012, but in 2220. 2012 is a century old miscalculation, so to speak.

And especially considering the mayans have perfectly normal every day stuff AFTER the end of the calendar. No doom. That is from sensationalist american authors in the late 60's early 70's.

Yet the 2012doomers ignore that, because they would look mighty silly. Well they WILL look mighty silly come 2013, and we'll all have a good laugh resurrecting threads from registered users and pointing out how wrong they were heh
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Read up on why their calendar ended up on a specific point and what it means for humanity and consciosness.
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Speaking of reading up.. look at my previous post in this thread.
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Read up on why their calendar ended up on a specific point and what it means for humanity and consciosness.


Speaking of reading up.. look at my previous post in this thread.
 Quoting: nomind


I did and I have no idea where you pulled that date from.
Go watch Drunvalo's "Maya Of Eternal Time" broadcast. It has info from the Mayan council themselves on what they believe is going on with humanity and consciosness. We are heading towards something massive and all enompassing.
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Calleman is an idiot who admits that his calculations have nothing to do with the Mayan Long count calendar.

The Mayans lost their long count calendar and it was white people who rediscovered it and deciphered it.

So why should we listen to the Mayans?

The calendar ends on 12-21-12. Even Calleman the idiot agrees with that.

It is the end of an historical period.

But the good news is that there is no doom, no chance of any doom so all the people saying that doom is coming and will be here before or by 12-21-12 are completely crazy.
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anyone saying 2010 or 2011 has no clue how exactly that date has been picked by Mayans on 12/21/2012 and deciphered by modern man
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I thought 2012 had something to do with the Roswell incident.
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