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***VIDEO*** Researches test local waters, say Dispersants depleting Oxygen levels 75%!!! Plant life/animals CAN NOT SURVIVE!!!

 
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GULF OF MEXICO - It looks like those dispersants being used to break up the crude in the gulf may be doing more harm than good.

Researchers at Dauphin Island Sea Lab say oxygen levels in the water nearby have dropped so low--to less than a quarter what they were--that plant life and animals may not survive.

Scientists say the oil-eating microbes in the dispersants are eating the oxygen in the water too.


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Scientist Blocked From Dispersant Testing
June 8, 2010 - 12:43 PM

In the middle of May, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) distanced itself from the claims of a university marine scientist who said she discovered massive oil plumes thousands of meters below the water's surface. Today, Dr. Samantha Joye confirms not only does the plume exist; it will wreak havoc on the environment for months if not years.

"The system as a whole is substantially perturbed by this event. It's infusion of oil and gas is unlike anything that has ever been seen anywhere - certainly in human history," Joye said during a press conference today in Athens, Ga.

And at a news conference in Washington today, the NOAA administrator acknowledged those subsurface plumes for the first time.

Joye's team of scientists has been monitoring a 15-mile long, 5-mile wide and 600 meter thick oil and gas plume suspended between 2-4 thousand feet below the water's surface. It moves with the water's current and the topography of the sea's floor.

The massive plume isn't thick gooey oil like you see on the surface of the water. It's a cloud full of dispersed, suspended molecules and much of it suspended with the dispersants used in the clean up efforts. But Joye said, she can't confirm what the dispersant's consist of - or exactly what it will do to the environment.

Her requests to obtain samples have been ignored.

"I and many others are trying to get samples of the various dispersant's that are being used. I have been unable to secure any so far. And I know there are many other researchers that want to get samples of the various types of Corexit to do lab experiments with; so we are hopeful we will be able to get those dispersant's but right now we haven’t been able to secure any.”

Joye said the plume is depleting oxygen levels dissolved in the Gulf. The fear is the oxygen level could eventually drop low enough to suffocate sea life in the plumes..... (cont.)

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Good , though sad, report OP.

Remembering that 1/3 of life in the sea would be killed.

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Good , though sad, report OP.

Remembering that 1/3 of life in the sea would be killed.

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Dispersants could definitely accomplish that.
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Thread: 1000's of fish swarming the shores in alabama and florida gasping for air!
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Its not the lack of Oxygen that's killing off the Plant life in the waters...
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COREXIT is some nasty stuff, ain't it?

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Corexit Sprayed by BP Tops 1 Million Gallons

June 10, 2010 posted by Robert O'Dowd · 2 Comments
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(TRENTON, NJ) – I’m not a scientist, but Alexander Higgins’ blog scares the hell out of me. BP’s continued use of Corexit is unbelievable and uncomprehensible. Why hasn’t EPA stopped BP from using Corexit, a highly toxic pesticide? This is another glaring example of the Obama’s adminstration failure to stop further contamination of the Gulf of Mexico.
Alexander Higgins, a New Jersey SEO and Web 2.0 Expert Asp.Net Developer, is on top of the BP Gulf oil spell and may be a better source of informaton on the Gulf oil spill than CNN. I followed the CNN reporting on the Gulf spill and they are doing an excellent job. (See: [link to blog.bp] oil spammer/ )
The following is a reprint of Alex’s latest story on BP’s continued use of Corexit in the Gulf of Mexico:
BP’s latest oil spill response update for June 4th says the total amount of the dispersant used in the Gulf of Mexico more than 1,021,000 gallons.
But what most people don’t know is that the active ingredient of the toxic chemical dispersant, which is up to 60% by volume, being sprayed by BP to fight the Gulf oil spill is a neurotoxin pesticide that is acutely toxic to both human and aquatic life, causes cancer, causes damage to internal organs such as the liver and kidneys simply by absorbing it through the skin and may cause reproductive side effects.
In fact the neurotoxin pesticide that is lethal to 50% of life in concentrations as little as 2.6 parts per million has been banned for use in the UK since 1998 because it failed the UK “Rocky shore test” which assures that the dispersant does not cause a “significant deleterious ecological change” – or to put that in layman’s terms it can kill off the entire food chain.
Corexit has also earned the highest EPA warning label for toxicity which means the effects of the toxic chemicals to the eye are corrosive resulting in irreversible destruction of ocular tissue and other tissue with corneal involvement along with an burning that can persist for more than 21 days and effects to human skin are corrosive resulting in tissue destruction into the dermis and/or scarring.
Corexit was widely used after the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill and according to a literature review performed by the group the Alaska Community Action on Toxics was later linked with widespread long lasting health impacts in people including respiratory, nervous system, liver, kidney and blood disorders.
The “Human Health Hazards” are said to be “Chronic” for Corexit EC9527A according to the EPA.
So What Are These Dispersants Made Of That Makes Them Such a Powerful Neurotoxin Pesticide?
The main ingredients of Corexit is 2-Butoxyethanol which can make up to 60% of the dispersant and is known to be toxic to blood, kidneys, liver, and the central nervous system (CNS).
2-Butoxyethanol is also known to cause cancer, birth defects and has been found to cause genetic mutations and is a delayed chronic health hazard as well as an environmental hazardous material
Corexit also contains Arsenic, Cadmium, Chromium, Mercury, and Cyanide.
How effective is Corexit in dispersing Gulf crude?
Corexit 9500 is only 54.7% effective and Corexit 9527A is 63.4% effective in dispersing the crude oil found off the shores of South Louisiana.
BP has sprayed both Corexit 9500 and Corexit 9527 into the Gulf of Mexico to disperse the oil both of which have been banned in the UK since 1998 for failure to pass the Rocky Shores Test.
By BP’s own admission Corexit has the potential for bioaccumulation meaning it has the potential to accumulate in the tissues of organism beginning with the first organism in a food chain.
Why allow the use of these toxic dispersants?
Well the EPA has ordered BP to stop using the dispersants but BP has refused
Instead BP replied with its justification for using Corexit which the EPA responded to saying BP’s response “lacked sufficient analysis and focused more defending your initial decision” .
In general, the EPA justifies the use of dispersants because they are less toxic than oil and the cause less of an environment impact that oil along the coastline calling dispersants an environmental trade off which is the lesser of two evils.
However the choice of using Corexit contradicts both of those justifications.
Corexit is lethal in as little as 2.6 parts per million where oil is lethal in 11 parts per million meaning that Corexit is over 4 times more toxic than oil.
Furthermore scientific studies show that oil dispersed with Corexit is 11 times more lethal than oil alone.
In fact the study referenced showed that crude oil was lethal at 4250 parts per million to killifish but combination of oil mixed with Corexit was lethal in as little as 317.7 ppm.
“Dispersed oils were more toxic than crude oils,” noted the report.
The other justification of lessening the environmental impact along the shoreline doesn’t hold up either as the reason Corexit was banned in the UK is because it was in fact shown to have a “significant deleterious ecological change” on the shoreline.
The fact Corexit is 4 times as toxic as oil and up to 11 times as toxic when combined with oil it literally makes no sense to allow the use of such a toxic chemical that can “delete” the ecological systems along the Gulf coast.
A report in the journal Environmental Toxicology a decade ago concluded that lethality levels in “dispersed oil combinations were significantly more toxic to these organisms than .. crude oil.” Another study, this time of snails and amphipods reached exactly the same conclusion.
What are the long term effects of Corexit?
The EPA has stated over and over that the long term effects of the use of Corexit are unknown yet there is plenty of data documenting the long term effects on humans (see below).
Further making the EPA claims questionable is EPA’s Deepwater horizon response sites site clearly states that between 1 million and 2.5 million gallons of the neurotoxin pesticide Corexit was used in the 1979 ixtoc oil spill which makes it unfathomable that the EPA doesn’t know what the long term effects are of a chemical that has been widely used, and eventually banned in certain countries, over a period of 30 years.
To the contrary of the EPA’s statement scientific studies widely state Corexit 9527 has been tested extensively in the laboratory and used on oil spills since 1978 and a considerable number of toxicity reports exist concerning a wide variety of species.
So why does the Federal Government continue to tell us the the long term effects of the dispersant usage are unknown?
Why does the Federal Government continue to pretend like they know so little about the dispersant BP is being used?
What are the chemical components of the dispersants COREXIT 9500 and COREXIT 9527?
While the main ingredient which makes up to 60% of Corexit is reason enough to cause concern.
If you dig any more dirt on these let me know.
The components of COREXIT 9500 and 9527 are:
CAS Registry Number Chemical Name
57-55-6
1,2-Propanediol
111-76-2
2-butoxy-Ethanol
577-11-7
Butanedioic acid, 2-sulfo-, 1,4-bis(2-ethylhexyl) ester, sodium salt (1:1)
1338-43-8
Sorbitan, mono-(9Z)-9-octadecenoate
9005-65-6
Sorbitan, mono-(9Z)-9-octadecenoate, poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl) derivs.
9005-70-3
Sorbitan, tri-(9Z)-9-octadecenoate, poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl) derivs
29911-28-2
2-Propanol, 1-(2-butoxy-1-methylethoxy)-
64742-47-8
Distillates (petroleum), hydrotreated light
The have also been found to contain Arsenic, Cadmium, Chromium, Mercury, and Cyanide among other heavy metals
What are the Chronic Health effects of Corexit?
Here are some of the highlights from the MSDS for the active ingredient (2-butoxyethanol) – of Corexit (up to 60% by volume)
Severe over-exposure can result in death.
MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Mutagenic for bacteria and/or yeast.
The substance may be toxic to blood, kidneys, liver, central nervous system (CNS).
Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage.
Repeated exposure to highly (this) toxic material may produce general deterioration of health by an accumulation in one or many human organs.
Hazardous in case of skin contact (permeator), of ingestion, of inhalation.
May cause adverse reproductive effects (maternal and paternal fertility, fetoxicity)
May cause birth defects (teratogenic)
May cause cancer (tumorigenic)
Penetrates intact skin easily and can cause systemic effects and central nervous system depression
Inhalation: May cause irritation of the respiratory tract. May affect behavior (analgesia), behavior/central nervous system (headache, drowsiness, dizzness, stuttering, coma, weakness, ataxia, slurred speech, loss of coordination and judgement, personality changes, analgesia, blurred vision, tremor, excitement, somnolence), sense organs, the gastrointestinal tract (nausea, vomiting), metabolism (metabolic acidosis), respiration (dyspnea), urinary system (kidneys – hematuria, albuminuria, polyuria, oliguria, renal failure), liver (liver damage).
Exposure to high vapor concentration may also cause corneal or lens opacity of the eyes.
Ingestion: Causes gastrointestinal tract irritation with nausea, vomiting, diarrhea. May affect behavior/central
nervous system (see inhalation), respiration (dyspnea), metabolism, cardiovascular system.
Chronic Potential Health Effects: Inhalation and Ingestion: Prolonged or repeated inhalation or ingestion may affect the liver, blood (changes in red blood cell count, pigmented or nucleated red blood cells, microcytosis with or without anemia, erythropenia, reticulocytosis, granulocytosis, leukocytosis), urinary system (kidneys -hematuria), metabolism (weight loss), endocrine system (spleen, thymus, pancreas). Prolonged or repeated inhalation of high concentrations may also cause lung hemmorrhage, congestion, bronchopneumonia.
Classified in Canada as CLASS D-1A: Material causing immediate and serious toxic effects (VERY TOXIC).
Classified in Canada as CLASS D-2B: Material causing other toxic effects (TOXIC)...(cont.)

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Depleted oxygen or not, how can a fish survive with this shit going through it's gills?
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BUT we can underwater fire at well head!


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no comment .
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Depleted oxygen or not, how can a fish survive with this shit going through it's gills?
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well we humans breath car fumes everyday and we survive but not without problems....
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It's unfortunate that he is taking about the toxic ingredients of corexit while he sucks back on a cancer-stick... but hey, I'm not judging. I smoked for 10 years... and I'm glad as hell I quit.
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Reveal Dispersant's Toxic Secrets

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Since the Deepwater Horizon exploded on April 22nd BP has dumped tons of a mysterious chemical dispersant into the Gulf of Mexico. Another 805,000 gallons is on order.

It's a trade secret brew of solvents, surfactants and other compounds that breaks oil into small particles that disperse into the sea.

Experts -- including the EPA -- are growing concerned that the toxic soup could seriously harm fragile underwater wildlife, damage ecosystems and persist in the food chain. No one really knows if the dispersants are less harmful to the environment than an oil slick on the ocean surface.

Elected officials must protect the Gulf of Mexico and Americans who make it their home. Tell Congress to compel companies to reveal the chemical makeup of dispersants dumped into the Gulf.

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Dispersants to an oil leak is like pissing on a shitstorm..
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The fact they continue to use Corexit after they were told to look for alternatives shows more than other example their contempt for the USA government's rules and regulations.

And the fact that this administration does nothing shows their complete incompetency.
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They own your Gulf of Mexico and are going to do what they want, they could give a fuck what you or any of your pissant scientists think about it.
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The fact they continue to use Corexit after they were told to look for alternatives shows more than other example their contempt for the USA government's rules and regulations.

And the fact that this administration does nothing shows their complete incompetency.
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Well said!
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