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Wikileaks..Where's the F***ing UFO material?

 
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I think it's telling that there have been no reports of any secret UFO projects. I think the whole Disclosure thing may be pointless. We may have to acknowledge that the whole Gubbermint Conspiracy may be horseshit.
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wtf are you talking about?!
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wtf are you talking about?!
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I think my post is clear sausage muncher.
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I think it's telling that there have been no reports of any secret UFO projects. I think the whole Disclosure thing may be pointless. We may have to acknowledge that the whole Gubbermint Conspiracy may be horseshit.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


There are no aliens. Therefore there is nothing to disclose.

UFOs are bullshit - natural phenomena and misidentified objects.

Once you realise this it all makes sense.
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no it's not, total BS!
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wtf are you talking about?!

I think my post is clear sausage muncher.
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There is already enough government documentation which establishes the UFO phenomenon as a reality...

but the devil is in the details... which are sorely missing.
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I think it's telling that there have been no reports of any secret UFO projects. I think the whole Disclosure thing may be pointless. We may have to acknowledge that the whole Gubbermint Conspiracy may be horseshit.


There are no aliens. Therefore there is nothing to disclose.

UFOs are bullshit - natural phenomena and misidentified objects.

Once you realise this it all makes sense.
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Absolutely wrong.
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I think it's telling that there have been no reports of any secret UFO projects. I think the whole Disclosure thing may be pointless. We may have to acknowledge that the whole Gubbermint Conspiracy may be horseshit.


There are no aliens. Therefore there is nothing to disclose.

UFOs are bullshit - natural phenomena and misidentified objects.

Once you realise this it all makes sense.
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BS, UFOs are real!
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UFOs first entered the mainstream consciousness after the now legendary Roswell incident in 1947. Which has since become fairly well established as a probable UFO event despite it being regarded as an embarrassing myth to believe in.[5][6][7][8] Aside from its definitive UFO nature however, not much else is known except what has been fervently speculated about for decades. In the years that followed the Roswell event, many Americans began seeing strange things in the skies. Because of heightened tensions with the Soviet Union and the potential for nuclear war, the US Air Force began investigating the phenomenon. Thousands of reports were collected. Most of the sightings were easily explained by conventional means. However approximately 5-10%, which still translates into several hundred cases, could not be explained away as natural or illusory.[9] Nevertheless the official stance of the US Air Force, and thus the US government, was that UFOs were not real and did not pose any threat to national security.[10]

Dr. J. Allen Hynek, who was tasked with heading up these investigations (known as Project Blue Book/Sign/Grudge) would later admit to being instructed by the Air Force to make up explanations for the phenomenon no matter how absurd, e.g. "swamp gas," "reflections from the planet Venus," "Sun-Dogs," etc.[11] In his twilight years Dr. Hynek admitted to knowing UFOs to be real and even expressed his belief that they were probably extra-terrestrial or inter-dimensional in origin.[12] Regardless of his eventual assertions however, at the time of the investigations he was employed to downplay and discredit the UFO phenomenon. So officially speaking, the US government had no interest in UFOs as they were considered to be either misidentified celestial phenomenon or mere figments of the imagination. The public largely believed this explanation. With the release of official documents through the Freedom of Information Act however and subsequent credible witness testimony, we now understand this was far from the truth. Contrary to the government's official stance, UFOs and other related phenomenon were and continue to be of immense interest to the United States and presumably to other governments around the world.[13]

One such FOIA request,[13][14] along with subsequent corroborative witness testimony,[15] resulted in the uncovering of an extraordinary event which took place at Malmstrom Air Force Base, Montana in 1967. SAC, or Strategic Air Command, operate these Air Force facilities which house our nuclear Minuteman ICBMs. The nuclear weapons are ready to fly at a moment's notice. Indeed these are the people who really do have their finger on the button. On this particular day at Malmstrom AFB the deputy crew commander Lieutenant Robert Salas received a phone call from top-side security (the base being largely subterranean). The security guard on the phone informed Lieutenant Salas that an "enormous, glowing red disc" was hovering over the missile sites and requested to know what action should be taken. Lieutenant Salas did not initially believe the young man until he was phoned again by the same security guard who was now audibly upset. At this point Lieutenant Salas woke up the base commander to brief him on the situation. It was at this time that all ICBMs in the silo began shutting down one by one into 'no-go' status. Needless to say this was extremely unnerving for the Malmstrom AFB crew. Not only were there no orders to shut down the missiles but there was not even a conceivable way to do so. At least not without going in and physically disconnecting wires and cables (the missiles needed to be ready to launch 24/7, 365).[16] The event was made all the more intriguing when another SAC run facility 20 miles away experienced the exact same scenario about the same time.[16] A rather revealing quote from H. Marshall Chadwell, the CIA’s Director of Scientific Intelligence, in a classified 1952 memo sent to CIA Director General Walter Bedell Smith lends further credibility to the Malmstrom AFB incident, “...sightings of unexplained objects at great altitudes and travelling at high speeds in the vicinity of major U.S. defense installations are of such nature that they are not attributable to natural phenomena or known types of aerial vehicles.”[17] In light of this event and others, the notion that UFOs are not real and pose no threat to national security strains credulity. Even more so than the existence of UFOs themselves! Indeed this is only one in a number of UFO-related events which have seriously undermined national security.[13]

It is often argued that if UFOs exist and are under intelligent control, "...why don't they just land on the White House lawn?" In the summer of 1952, they practically did. During the month of July swarms of UFOs hovered over the most secure airspace in the world with absolute immunity.[18] Over the course of several nights a fleet of UFOs, in formation, unceremoniously flew over the White House, the Capitol building, and the Pentagon. Fighter jets were scrambled but rendered completely ineffective when confronted with the aerodynamic capabilities of these UFOs. Each time the jets would get remotely close to these objects they would take flight at seemingly impossible speeds and maneuvers. In some instances almost appearing to materialize and dematerialize at will. This game of cat and mouse went on for days; the objects would show up, both visually and on radar, the jets would scramble, and the objects would take evasive action.[19] There are several photographs and newspaper articles covering the event [20][21][22] It is one of the most documented UFO events in history and yet we still have official denial of this phenomenon, why?
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I think it's telling that there have been no reports of any secret UFO projects. I think the whole Disclosure thing may be pointless. We may have to acknowledge that the whole Gubbermint Conspiracy may be horseshit.


There are no aliens. Therefore there is nothing to disclose.

UFOs are bullshit - natural phenomena and misidentified objects.

Once you realise this it all makes sense.



BS, UFOs are real!
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So you Say, But as has been said, the devil is in the detail and that is absent.
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A common criticism leveled at people who claim to witness UFOs is that they are not trained observers. Well who might we consider to be a trained observer; a pilot perhaps? There are literally dozens of hours of cockpit voice recordings from commercial airline pilots describing UFO sightings.[23] It is not all together an uncommon occurrence. However, the strict protocols for dealing with such sightings would make them appear rare, if not non-existent.[24][25] Not to mention the overall stigma that is attached to those who dare report seeing a UFO. Retired Air Force pilot Bill Paynter, who flew then California Governor Ronald Reagan's private plane in 1974, recounted an experience which Reagan and others on the flight corroborated.[13][26] Paynter described the UFO event,


"...it appeared to be several hundred yards away" and it was "a fairly steady light until it begun to accelerate. Then it appeared to elongate. Then the light took off. It went up at a 45 degree angle at a high rate of speed. Everyone on the plane was surprised... Governor Reagan expressed amazement. I told the others I didn’t know what it was. The UFO went from a normal cruise speed to a fantastic speed instantly. If you give an airplane power it will accelerate - but not like a hotrod, and that is what this was like. We didn’t file a report on the object because for a long time they considered you a nut if you saw a UFO."[27] [emphasis added]


Even with the stigma however, long kept secrets are coming forth as credible individuals who have had amazing experiences with this phenomenon reach their twilight years. On the night of May 20, 1957, at RAF Manston in the UK, US airman Milton Torres was ordered to scramble his jet and shoot down a UFO. Torres was instructed to "arm all weapons and fire on site" even before he took off. When his jet was within radar distance the airman was stunned by the characteristics of this UFO. Which he described from looking at his radar tracks as having, "...the proportions of a flying aircraft carrier," he further details the event, "it (the UFO) didn’t follow classic Newtonian mechanics. It made a right turn almost on a dime. The (Royal Air Force radar) scope had a range of 250 miles. And after two sweeps, which took two seconds, it was gone. And I was flying almost at Mach 1, at .92." Mr Torres a retired professor of civil engineering is now 77 and residing in Miami. He revealed in an interview with The Times that shortly after the event at RAF Manston he was visited by a mysterious, trench coat clad National Security agent who warned him if he ever talked about what had happened, he would never fly again. He heeded the warning and remained silent for 50 years. This might help explain why there are few officially reported sightings by military and commercial airline pilots even though in all likelihood they are probably ubiquitous. There is however, one group who are even more highly trained in observation than pilots, Astronauts.

"I know other astronauts share my feelings.... And we know the government is sitting on hard evidence of UFOs."

- Gemini/Mercury Astronaut Col. Gordon Cooper, 1997

"...I've been asked (about UFOs) and I've said publicly I thought they (UFOs) were somebody else, some other civilization."

- Apollo Astronaut Eugene Cernan, from a LA times news article, 1973

"I happen to be privileged enough to be in on the fact that we have been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomenon is real. It has been covered up by governments for quite some time now"

- Apollo Astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell, 2008 (6th man to walk on the moon)


If we consider the general characterization of Astronauts in our society, i.e. that they are heroic, intelligent, honorable, etc, then these statements should carry enormous weight but astronauts are not the only people highly regarded in society to speak about the UFO phenomenon. Consider the following quotes from some other prominent figures throughout history.

"I certainly believe in aliens in space. I think some highly secret government UFO investigations are going on that we don't know about--and probably never will unless the Air Force discloses them."

- Senator Barry Goldwater, during a radio interview with Larry King in 1988

"Well, if I had been briefed on it, I'm sure it was probably classified and I couldn't talk about it."

- Vice President Dick Cheney, when asked about UFOs during an interview in April, 2001

"I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world."

- US President Ronald Reagan, Speech to the United Nations General Assembly, September 21, 1987

"The phenomenon of UFOs does exist, and it must be treated seriously."

- Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev, 'Soviet Youth,' May 4, 1990.

"The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets."

- General Douglas MacArthur Oct. 8, 1955

"This 'flying saucer' situation is not at all imaginary or seeing too much in some natural phenomena. Something is really flying around. The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious."

- General Nathan Twining, Chief of Staff, US Air Force, from a classified memo sent to Air Force General George Schulgen in 1947

"Maximum security exists concerning the subject of UFOs."

- Allen Dulles, CIA Director, 1955

"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFO's come from and what their purpose is. Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced its personnel."

- Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, 1st CIA Director, Feb 18, 1960
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A common criticism leveled at people who claim to witness UFOs is that they are not trained observers. Well who might we consider to be a trained observer; a pilot perhaps? There are literally dozens of hours of cockpit voice recordings from commercial airline pilots describing UFO sightings.[23] It is not all together an uncommon occurrence. However, the strict protocols for dealing with such sightings would make them appear rare, if not non-existent.[24][25] Not to mention the overall stigma that is attached to those who dare report seeing a UFO. Retired Air Force pilot Bill Paynter, who flew then California Governor Ronald Reagan's private plane in 1974, recounted an experience which Reagan and others on the flight corroborated.[13][26] Paynter described the UFO event,


"...it appeared to be several hundred yards away" and it was "a fairly steady light until it begun to accelerate. Then it appeared to elongate. Then the light took off. It went up at a 45 degree angle at a high rate of speed. Everyone on the plane was surprised... Governor Reagan expressed amazement. I told the others I didn’t know what it was. The UFO went from a normal cruise speed to a fantastic speed instantly. If you give an airplane power it will accelerate - but not like a hotrod, and that is what this was like. We didn’t file a report on the object because for a long time they considered you a nut if you saw a UFO."[27] [emphasis added]


Even with the stigma however, long kept secrets are coming forth as credible individuals who have had amazing experiences with this phenomenon reach their twilight years. On the night of May 20, 1957, at RAF Manston in the UK, US airman Milton Torres was ordered to scramble his jet and shoot down a UFO. Torres was instructed to "arm all weapons and fire on site" even before he took off. When his jet was within radar distance the airman was stunned by the characteristics of this UFO. Which he described from looking at his radar tracks as having, "...the proportions of a flying aircraft carrier," he further details the event, "it (the UFO) didn’t follow classic Newtonian mechanics. It made a right turn almost on a dime. The (Royal Air Force radar) scope had a range of 250 miles. And after two sweeps, which took two seconds, it was gone. And I was flying almost at Mach 1, at .92." Mr Torres a retired professor of civil engineering is now 77 and residing in Miami. He revealed in an interview with The Times that shortly after the event at RAF Manston he was visited by a mysterious, trench coat clad National Security agent who warned him if he ever talked about what had happened, he would never fly again. He heeded the warning and remained silent for 50 years. This might help explain why there are few officially reported sightings by military and commercial airline pilots even though in all likelihood they are probably ubiquitous. There is however, one group who are even more highly trained in observation than pilots, Astronauts.

"I know other astronauts share my feelings.... And we know the government is sitting on hard evidence of UFOs."

- Gemini/Mercury Astronaut Col. Gordon Cooper, 1997

"...I've been asked (about UFOs) and I've said publicly I thought they (UFOs) were somebody else, some other civilization."

- Apollo Astronaut Eugene Cernan, from a LA times news article, 1973

"I happen to be privileged enough to be in on the fact that we have been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomenon is real. It has been covered up by governments for quite some time now"

- Apollo Astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell, 2008 (6th man to walk on the moon)


If we consider the general characterization of Astronauts in our society, i.e. that they are heroic, intelligent, honorable, etc, then these statements should carry enormous weight but astronauts are not the only people highly regarded in society to speak about the UFO phenomenon. Consider the following quotes from some other prominent figures throughout history.

"I certainly believe in aliens in space. I think some highly secret government UFO investigations are going on that we don't know about--and probably never will unless the Air Force discloses them."

- Senator Barry Goldwater, during a radio interview with Larry King in 1988

"Well, if I had been briefed on it, I'm sure it was probably classified and I couldn't talk about it."

- Vice President Dick Cheney, when asked about UFOs during an interview in April, 2001

"I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world."

- US President Ronald Reagan, Speech to the United Nations General Assembly, September 21, 1987

"The phenomenon of UFOs does exist, and it must be treated seriously."

- Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev, 'Soviet Youth,' May 4, 1990.

"The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets."

- General Douglas MacArthur Oct. 8, 1955

"This 'flying saucer' situation is not at all imaginary or seeing too much in some natural phenomena. Something is really flying around. The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious."

- General Nathan Twining, Chief of Staff, US Air Force, from a classified memo sent to Air Force General George Schulgen in 1947

"Maximum security exists concerning the subject of UFOs."

- Allen Dulles, CIA Director, 1955

"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFO's come from and what their purpose is. Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced its personnel."

- Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, 1st CIA Director, Feb 18, 1960
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OH COME ON!!! Thats Ancient we've all read that.
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OH COME ON!!! Thats Ancient we've all read that.
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I do not doubt it... you're on GLP after all!

I am simply underscoring that this is not doubt the UFO is a real phenomenon and it is not illusory or some kind of natural event...

Where we go from there is the Woo-Woo shit...

But have patience, it will come out in our lifetime. You cannot keep secrets forever...
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OH COME ON!!! Thats Ancient we've all read that.


I do not doubt it... you're on GLP after all!

I am simply underscoring that this is not doubt the UFO is a real phenomenon and it is not illusory or some kind of natural event...

Where we go from there is the Woo-Woo shit...

But have patience, it will come out in our lifetime. You cannot keep secrets forever...
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*Sigh* Once I may have agreed but now? I'm starting to think it's bollocks.
HUSSAR!
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OH COME ON!!! Thats Ancient we've all read that.


I do not doubt it... you're on GLP after all!

I am simply underscoring that this is not doubt the UFO is a real phenomenon and it is not illusory or some kind of natural event...

Where we go from there is the Woo-Woo shit...

But have patience, it will come out in our lifetime. You cannot keep secrets forever...

*Sigh* Once I may have agreed but now? I'm starting to think it's bollocks.
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Great. That'll be just the time it comes out and smacks you upside the head, when you least expect it.

Personally I do not think the world is ready for this but then again you cannot stop history...

Besides... do you really, truly believe in the seeming eternity of the Cosmos we are the only intelligent life???

If so, that is a very, very sad prospect, I'm sorry to say...
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OH COME ON!!! Thats Ancient we've all read that.


I do not doubt it... you're on GLP after all!

I am simply underscoring that this is not doubt the UFO is a real phenomenon and it is not illusory or some kind of natural event...

Where we go from there is the Woo-Woo shit...

But have patience, it will come out in our lifetime. You cannot keep secrets forever...

*Sigh* Once I may have agreed but now? I'm starting to think it's bollocks.


Great. That'll be just the time it comes out and smacks you upside the head, when you least expect it.

Personally I do not think the world is ready for this but then again you cannot stop history...

Besides... do you really, truly believe in the seeming eternity of the Cosmos we are the only intelligent life???

If so, that is a very, very sad prospect, I'm sorry to say...
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I agree it is sad, I'm not saying that there is are no other sentient creatures, just that the Gubbermint doesn't know shit.
HUSSAR!
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99.99999999999999999999999999999999% of all UFO videos and reports are absolutely BULLSHIT.
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I agree it is sad, I'm not saying that there is are no other sentient creatures, just that the Gubbermint doesn't know shit.
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They may not but somebody sure does...
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99.99999999999999999999999999999999% of all UFO videos and reports are absolutely BULLSHIT.
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Hey man, only one needs to be legit...

Anyway, that statement is not true. There are government documents, radar reports, and footage from NASA which confirms this.
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I agree it is sad, I'm not saying that there is are no other sentient creatures, just that the Gubbermint doesn't know shit.


They may not but somebody sure does...
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So I keep hearing, The closest I ever got was a series of strange posts about an Outfit called "THE SHOW"
I've posted about it on this forum.
HUSSAR!
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I dunno, even if they had pictures of an alien + government docs, I don't think people would believe it.
In fact, if they put that stuff up on their site, it will probably be used to discredit wikileaks in future.

Disclosure will only occur when many whistleblowers start spilling the beans along with presenting irrefutable evidence, or they start showing up unambiguously and cannot be denied anymore.
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UFOs are real, I'm sure some of the encounters can be attributed to natural phenomenons, others to prototype planes (They used to be a lot of sightings of triangular UFOs before the stealth bomber was officially announced), sometimes it's Chinese lanterns.

Doesn't mean that aliens have to be involved with UFO's but who knows, it'd be nice to find they were. :)
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I dunno, even if they had pictures of an alien + government docs, I don't think people would believe it.
In fact, if they put that stuff up on their site, it will probably be used to discredit wikileaks in future.

Disclosure will only occur when many whistleblowers start spilling the beans along with presenting irrefutable evidence, or they start showing up unambiguously and cannot be denied anymore.
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My money is on an event happening which is so big and public it can not be covered up and it causes a domino effect...
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UFOs are real, I'm sure some of the encounters can be attributed to natural phenomenons, others to prototype planes (They used to be a lot of sightings of triangular UFOs before the stealth bomber was officially announced), sometimes it's Chinese lanterns.

Doesn't mean that aliens have to be involved with UFO's but who knows, it'd be nice to find they were. :)
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Yeah, it's true. UFOs are not either or, they are both and...

extra-dimensional, extra-terrestrial, secret space program, and of course misidentified aerial phenomena...
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So you're saying 0.000000...1% is real? Thus you believe...


99.99999999999999999999999999999999% of all UFO videos and reports are absolutely BULLSHIT.
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If they are real or not doesn't need to be the deciding argument. The real argument is what would convince even the biggest mouth to keep silent?



I believe the fundamental concept of consciousness is the awareness to choose.

If “they” were to just show themselves in a very definite way, human free will would be violated because the “proof” would make the choice for humans to believe. It would change everything, where we come from, technology, religion etc. If the free will argument prevents them from conquering the humans, what would need to be done to get around this (prime directive)?

If you knew their final plans and decided you didn’t want them to come and you knew the only way for them to come was to be invited what would you do?


If they show themselves to individuals or small groups with no irrefutable proof, then it becomes a question of faith / logic for the human to choose weather they believe via their own free will. The humans (through faith / logic / science) begin to believe in “them” and by doing so are in essence “calling them to show themselves” then they are permitted to come as it is no longer a violation of free will and thus we can be enslaved / visited.

If the government admits they are here because they are a threat, then its now public knowledge. There is no free will to violate so they are permitted to come.

Conversely, by saying they don’t exist and covering it up creates public interest and obsession. As the obsessed convince others, the general public becomes more prepared to “invite them to visit” or “demand an inquiry”. They win again.

I also think this is what is preventing us from visiting space / the moon. As soon as we leave the planet we have shown our maturity and now “play with a different set of rules” so they can now show up.

I have a rule similar to this with the spiders in my home. If I don’t see you, you don’t die.




But have patience, it will come out in our lifetime. You cannot keep secrets forever...
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There is already enough government documentation which establishes the UFO phenomenon as a reality...

but the devil is in the details... which are sorely missing.
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The first scientific study of UFO phenomena in the field, directly observed at first hand rather than secondhand reports, was conducted by Dr. Harley D. Rutledge, Chairman of the Physics Department at Southeast Missouri State University. In 1972 residents of southeast Missouri began to persistently report strange lights in the sky, and Dr. Rutledge decided to subject these reported objects to scientific scrutiny. He put together a team of observers with college training or equivalent experience in the physical sciences.
Optical equipment included Celestron, Criterion, and Questar telescopes, high quality camera and lenses of various focal lengths, and binoculars. These instruments were fitted with devices to detect polarized light and to produce a polarized spectrum. Color, black and white, and infrared sensitive films were used. A spectrum analyzer to detect electromagnetic frequencies in the radio spectrum was used.
The following passages have been selected from his history-making landmark of a book entitled Project Identification: the First Scientific Field Study of UFO Phenomena, which was published by Prentice-Hall 1981:

"In this research, more was involved than the measurement of physical properties of UFOs by dispassionate observers. A relationship, a cognizance, between us and the UFO intelligence evolved. A game was played. In my opinion, this additional consideration is more important than the measurements or establishing that the phenomenon exists. This facet of the UFO phenomenon perturbed me as much as the advanced technology we observed. It is a facet I cannot really fathom—and I have thought about it every day for more than seven years… In this project, we dealt with an intelligence equal to or greater than that of man. We interacted with the phenomena under study… On the second night I was at Piedmont, experiences suggested to me that the UFOs may have purposely attracted our attention, and that they may have reacted to us—although at the time I did not label the sightings as UFOs…How did the UFOs react to us? They turned lights off, on, moved away, shot away, changed course, changed brightness, and the like… One type of behavior evident to Project members was the avoidance paths flown by the UFOs. A UFO would approach as if it would pass overhead; then it would go around our position… Often, we felt as though the UFO intelligence knew our moves… I suspect that UFOs actually dart about in daylight at speeds at which they cannot be seen. I base this on a few cases of reflected sunlight and the circumstances of the disc that hovered within viewing range of my office. Possibly a great deal of UFO activity is subliminal—which, if true, could have serious ramifications… No, UFOs do not behave according to prevailing technologies, and the UFO intelligence does not behave as would a human visiting another planet. Surely, the UFO intelligence has gathered all the flora and fauna of the earth, has deciphered all the languages, has determined all of man’s technology, and has become cognizant of the world’s religions; in short, they must know all there is to know about man. I believe that the UFO intelligence uses this information to mimic man and his technology..."
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Re: Wikileaks..Where's the F***ing UFO material?
I think it's telling that there have been no reports of any secret UFO projects. I think the whole Disclosure thing may be pointless. We may have to acknowledge that the whole Gubbermint Conspiracy may be horseshit.
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There's no UFO material.
You got conned.
it's just a Soros front to blackmail governments fro kicking out his illegal aliens.
They probably said smthing about illegal aliens and you thought you heard about UFO aliens.
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11/29/2010 04:02 PM
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seeing is BELIVING,
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11/29/2010 04:06 PM
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Re: Wikileaks..Where's the F***ing UFO material?
I'd be kind of cool if we were alone in the Universe.

No other intelligent life of any meaning.

Just us and a whole reality to explore.

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