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!!!!!!VERY GRAPHIC CASES !!!!!DOES ANTIDEPRESSANT MEDS TURN PEOPLE INTO ??????????????

 
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using my posted experience as an example and I consider myself a fairly decent person, and how these damn things just removed any regret

I would go as far as to say because of the way sertaline removes regret, fear, love and care.. and leaves only a very distorted negative logic

that anyone with the slightest bit of hostility, it enhances it.. it doesnt mean they're a bad person as such

but imagine taking away every single emotion except hate and negativity,

let me put this into words people might understand who have no experience (lucky ones)

these people.. myself with the past experiences.. hell i'd go as far as to say anyone on this shit

they see people as bugs, and they'd squish, kill, injure.. absolutely disect someone as you would pulling a wings off a fly or squishing an annoying mosquito with no other thought other than it just stops annoying you, and theres nothing wrong with that is there

anti depressants.. sertaline.. humanity becomes a bug, a pest, a parasite and people kill thousands of them things a day.. just to stop discomfort in some small way..

someone on anti depressants.. they feel that.. but make no distinguishing thought between weather its human, bug, animal or someones property



you must pity these people in most cases.. they dont know any better.. because hell they lost the capacity through chemical means to feel anything else
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Whoa Dude, Wow, best be careful with such deep insights, Dont want you to get into trouble if you know what I mean. Im sure its been theorized by the big conspiracy theorists mind control writers, but it sure pains my heart to think if this was ever intentional. I hope it was just a failed experiment. Oops,. its me thats reading into this As part of a Plan, I hope not. Lets hope it was a experiment gone bad. Like trial and error, then we learn from it.
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Women need to get out of the corporate offices, out of thier High Heels and shopping bags at Macys and become mid wives again, Natural healers with plants and medicine, Count St Germaine made a old women look 25 years old with a secret planet elixer, It exists.

The only good spot technology comes in is advanced surgery for wounds broken bones and unborn babies that get stuck. But with endless pills. Bet we can do without most of them.
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while on prozac i got drunk one night,and decided to steal 2 brand new cars from a show room at night,didnt have a clue how to wire them up,so pushed one down the road,ran back and pushed another next to it then just sat there and had a fag...wtf!!...heard police siren and
then ran homd under bed,the funny fucked up thing is my house was 1 miniute away,wot a stupid cunt i am...anyway long story short about a year later old bill turnd up at my house and nicked me for attemptd theft on two accounts,and criminal damage,they found me through blood on the windscreen.the moral of this story is i went to court pleaded guilty told the judge who the fuck steals cars by pushing them down road next to my house then justs sits there and has a fag oh and yes mr kind sir i was on prozac!!

...truth be told and i got let off with fine and communitry service,bascially prozac fuckedme up...dont drink and prozac!!!
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OP, you are totally right, we need fat - in moderation, like most everything else, and should avoid medications unless it is really necessary.

The basic problem as I see though, that mothers don't know how to love anymore. Early childhood (age 0-3) is the time when a person's emotional balance is set. Breastfeeding is abandoned for a number of reasons. Physical gentleness is "out of fashion" in fear of being "inappropriate.
People grow up emotionally unbalanced and vulnerable to life's challenges.
Hard to think of a solution. because it has begun 2-3 generations ago, and not even grandparents remember (have the behavior-pattern) how to be a loving parent.


Teens raised on formula as babies should be supplement with fish oil and be watched on their diet. Think a car running without oil, Lack of DHA will cause a screwed up brain.


This fat free madness is hell on the body and mind. It's been substituted with trans-fats that break down the brain blood barrier and let toxins pass. The cholesterol myth leads doctors to prescribe statins that wreak havak. Check out spacedoc dot net. It might not take a rocket scientist to figure out, but a Nasa flight doc/astronaut does have a few things to say about it!



Yes, yes, eat eggs, eat the chicken skin, Supplement with fish oil, Eat fatty beef, You need this food !

Run your brain on DRY and your in big trouble, What do you think brain tissue is??.

YOU NEED NATURAL FATS !

It also protects the brain from the chemicals etc,, Remember, Like a car needs oil.
 Quoting: THRONE OF THE GOLDEN SUN


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OP, check this out, if you haven't seen it:

[link to www.ssristories.com]

And I saw a commercial a couple of days ago for an anti-depressant, and it said, "(name of drug) is thought to work by..." I had to rewind the DVR and make sure I heard it right. They don't even know how these drugs actually effect your mind, but they still are allowed to sell them. WTF?
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This is really a timely post for me. I took my last prozac yesterday 10mg so smaller than normal dose. I have GAD and prozac takes the edge off been on it for 14 yrs on and off. Have never had any thoughts of killing or harming any one. BUT, I hate being on it. Thats why I let myself run out. Been thinking of taking St Johns wort. Problem is that every time i stop prozac I have a huge panic episode once its out of my system. I become depressed and so anxiety filled thats its hard to function. Even so, gotta try to get off this shit and just deal with life. Who knows how much longer the world will function normally and RXs will be readily available.
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op, i can tell you this from experience that antidepressants and mood altering pharma drugs are a scourge on humans.

i wont go into detail but my mother was completely fucked over by the doctors and therapists.

those kinda drugs offer a crutch so you dont have to deal with what pains you inside. they just gloss it over for a temp fix.

those motherfuckers had the balls to try and tell me when i was 10 years old that i was bi-polar because my mother was. i took the drugs for a bit, they did nothing to make me feel better about my situation only numbed me. 22 now and yeah i might have bi-polar tendencies, but if one cannot deal with whats floating around in their head then....
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This is really a timely post for me. I took my last prozac yesterday 10mg so smaller than normal dose. I have GAD and prozac takes the edge off been on it for 14 yrs on and off. Have never had any thoughts of killing or harming any one. BUT, I hate being on it. Thats why I let myself run out. Been thinking of taking St Johns wort. Problem is that every time i stop prozac I have a huge panic episode once its out of my system. I become depressed and so anxiety filled thats its hard to function. Even so, gotta try to get off this shit and just deal with life. Who knows how much longer the world will function normally and RXs will be readily available.
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Dang, I didnt know Prozac was still prescribed, What if you are ok until a life crises hits? What if it can just wreck your composure mechanism? Im being no doctor here to be liable and tell you what to do. cause people can backtrack and say they did something worse when not taking it, but yes, the choice is up to you to make a decision.
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+1 on the fat thing, I once went to a professional dietitian to slim down the safe way, it was part of some benefit thing with the job agency I was with so I took it, didnt learn much other than biscuits arnt food

but one thing the woman did say, and many GOOD doctors ive known, is this omega 3 craze at the moment is a very very good thing, apparently when things were a little more primitive and food didnt come out of a factory half cooked and caked in its own salt like now

we got most of our omega 3s from animals, simple cuts of meat cooked and eaten.. no damn factory between the animal, the shelf and us adding all kinds of shit

I found it interesting to find out that omega 3 is a natural anti depressant, but I dont think it can be taken as such, its not anti anything.. its just everyones so damn lacking in it.. it fixes what should have always been.. puts back what the average diet doesnt have alot of these days

cant say ive noticed a big change eating alot of fish and taking omega 3 tablets but maybe thats just normal.. im happy enough and happy with life

someone expecting the world to change into sugarplums and gumdrops if they take litres of omega 3 fish oil tablets is expecting the wrong thing

these vital oils.. they seem to let us just.. function.. as we're ment too.. lack of them.. not good.. very not good

and happyly so ive seen more and more good doctors as few as they might be absolutely pissed off at the blanket prescribing of these damn anti depressants.. maybe the tides slowly turning.. I hope so or the next generations going to be one fucked up population.. its already evident now..
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op, i can tell you this from experience that antidepressants and mood altering pharma drugs are a scourge on humans.

i wont go into detail but my mother was completely fucked over by the doctors and therapists.

those kinda drugs offer a crutch so you dont have to deal with what pains you inside. they just gloss it over for a temp fix.

those motherfuckers had the balls to try and tell me when i was 10 years old that i was bi-polar because my mother was. i took the drugs for a bit, they did nothing to make me feel better about my situation only numbed me. 22 now and yeah i might have bi-polar tendencies, but if one cannot deal with whats floating around in their head then....
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I believe Bi Polar is real, and a sign of creative people. Todays education system and upbringing does not support these types, todays schools is made for people that can sit for long hours all day in a chair and learn from a big textbook.

the days of Father to Son apprenticeship is over. Im sure alot of Bi Polar people used to be the Adventurers and the Discoverers and explorers, But everything has already been tagged, mapped and claimed, nothing left to discover or explore.
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Teens raised on formula as babies should be supplement with fish oil and be watched on their diet. Think a car running without oil, Lack of DHA will cause a screwed up brain.


This fat free madness is hell on the body and mind. It's been substituted with trans-fats that break down the brain blood barrier and let toxins pass. The cholesterol myth leads doctors to prescribe statins that wreak havak. Check out spacedoc dot net. It might not take a rocket scientist to figure out, but a Nasa flight doc/astronaut does have a few things to say about it!



Yes, yes, eat eggs, eat the chicken skin, Supplement with fish oil, Eat fatty beef, You need this food !

Run your brain on DRY and your in big trouble, What do you think brain tissue is??.

YOU NEED NATURAL FATS !

It also protects the brain from the chemicals etc,, Remember, Like a car needs oil.
 Quoting: THRONE OF THE GOLDEN SUN


Absolutely True! As one who was on Prozac years ago, I can attest that they really mess with you and turn you into a non-feeling robot where consequences of what you do are meaningless.

I've seen a family member try to come off of zoloft...had electric zaps through the body and hallucinations.
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My ex boss and his wife were both on anti depressants. Scary people!!! both of them. Hostile, nasties...

My ex boss...he would change from day to day. One day I might get someone kind of normal and ok to deal with...the next day...he would be "out of control" weird. No kidding. He would say weird off the wall stuff and act scary.
He was also a closet alcoholic. I think both the alcohol and the anti depressants interacted with each other.
I would smell alcohol in his office from time to time so I know he drank at work.

He owned his own business ...so he could get away with acting insane at times.



Im really worried if they might be the future news headline of the day..

then the world forgets, All ignorant, until the next victims..
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Something is going to break with these two eventually.
I dont know if he will go suicidal or homicidal, but losing the business is a REAL possibility.
He --the owner-- acts so damn strange a lot of the time that the clients do NOT want to deal with him.
Just in the time I worked for this business, they lost 2 big paying clients...
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I believe Bi Polar is real, and a sign of creative people. Todays education system and upbringing does not support these types, todays schools is made for people that can sit for long hours all day in a chair and learn from a big textbook.

the days of Father to Son apprenticeship is over. Im sure alot of Bi Polar people used to be the Adventurers and the Discoverers and explorers, But everything has already been tagged, mapped and claimed, nothing left to discover or explore.
 Quoting: THRONE OF THE GOLDEN SUN


nothing left to explore so we must be sedated. i often ponder where the human species would be had mind/mood altering pharma drugs not been invented. all that is left is the great black yonder above our heads.
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Teens raised on formula as babies should be supplement with fish oil and be watched on their diet. Think a car running without oil, Lack of DHA will cause a screwed up brain.


This fat free madness is hell on the body and mind. It's been substituted with trans-fats that break down the brain blood barrier and let toxins pass. The cholesterol myth leads doctors to prescribe statins that wreak havak. Check out spacedoc dot net. It might not take a rocket scientist to figure out, but a Nasa flight doc/astronaut does have a few things to say about it!



Yes, yes, eat eggs, eat the chicken skin, Supplement with fish oil, Eat fatty beef, You need this food !

Run your brain on DRY and your in big trouble, What do you think brain tissue is??.

YOU NEED NATURAL FATS !

It also protects the brain from the chemicals etc,, Remember, Like a car needs oil.


Absolutely True! As one who was on Prozac years ago, I can attest that they really mess with you and turn you into a non-feeling robot where consequences of what you do are meaningless.

I've seen a family member try to come off of zoloft...had electric zaps through the body and hallucinations.
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Goodness, Ill have to repost a disclaimer, Im not encouaging anyone to quit cold turkey, usually its done gradually and with milder replacements.

Glad youre off.

(Im going to have to GASP, put in a disclaimer, If you have depression, sigh... please consult physician..and use brain and discretion FIRST ! this material presented is not necessarily the opinions of the Poster, or GLP. Read at your own discretion. Dislaimer, this post isnt meant for anyone to quit cold turkey either, Stopping dosage needs to be done under doctors care)
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This is really a timely post for me. I took my last prozac yesterday 10mg so smaller than normal dose. I have GAD and prozac takes the edge off been on it for 14 yrs on and off. Have never had any thoughts of killing or harming any one. BUT, I hate being on it. Thats why I let myself run out. Been thinking of taking St Johns wort. Problem is that every time i stop prozac I have a huge panic episode once its out of my system. I become depressed and so anxiety filled thats its hard to function. Even so, gotta try to get off this shit and just deal with life. Who knows how much longer the world will function normally and RXs will be readily available.
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Congratulations to you AC for your new Prozac-free life.hf
I risk sounding stupid or ridiculous here, but I don't care - get a stuffed animal to cuddle and keep it in your bed. I hope you can do it without having to explain to others.
A living pet would be better (as long as you like animals) but beside the great advantages it may cause extra frustration when poops on the floor or causes trouble some other way.

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I believe Bi Polar is real, and a sign of creative people. Todays education system and upbringing does not support these types, todays schools is made for people that can sit for long hours all day in a chair and learn from a big textbook.

the days of Father to Son apprenticeship is over. Im sure alot of Bi Polar people used to be the Adventurers and the Discoverers and explorers, But everything has already been tagged, mapped and claimed, nothing left to discover or explore.


nothing left to explore so we must be sedated. i often ponder where the human species would be had mind/mood altering pharma drugs not been invented. all that is left is the great black yonder above our heads.
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I know, its boring, We have our television and nothing else. I think the You know whos, Know every inch of this earth, and its mapped, tracked, tagged, measured, photgraphed and logged onto GPS.

you bet I would have been some sort of pioneer with a ship and a mission, I was born at the wrong time, eh?

We need a brand new planet. Can you imagine what that would feel like? No map, a whole new unknown world before you? none of us today knows what that could feel like.
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ssristories.com

Must see site describing hundreds (at least) acts of violence committed under the influence of these drugs!
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I believe Bi Polar is real, and a sign of creative people. Todays education system and upbringing does not support these types, todays schools is made for people that can sit for long hours all day in a chair and learn from a big textbook.

the days of Father to Son apprenticeship is over. Im sure alot of Bi Polar people used to be the Adventurers and the Discoverers and explorers, But everything has already been tagged, mapped and claimed, nothing left to discover or explore.


nothing left to explore so we must be sedated. i often ponder where the human species would be had mind/mood altering pharma drugs not been invented. all that is left is the great black yonder above our heads.
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Not so true my friend, had big pharma not been invented and made it profitable to suffer, to kill, to make weak..
to control.. to alter minds and to label every unique quirk someone has in their personality as some disorder to be medicated

then its not so much that we ran out of things to explore, in the geological sence quite possibly yes,

but think of how we could explore ourselves, the cultures.. the people.. the personalities.. free from being branded one disorder or another and society as a whole dumbed down and subdued if they dare to be different

we have alot to find out about ourselves, a free mind, a free body and spirit can ascend to great heights of discovery in more ways than just geographical

we live a wonderful opportunity called life, there is much much much too much we overlook

but when being yourself, showing expression these days in primary school would get you medicated, diagnosed with something for simply being the lively one and the odd one out, the person that in the past would have likedly risen to great things

there is nothing much to explore.. because we either fear being catagorised, or such things are stamped out like a glowing ember before it can even start

big pharma, big corporations etc

one and the same
its not profitable to be nice, to let live.. for people to be happy

sad state of afairs wouldnt you say

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Complimenting this...

The brain evolves till far into your 20’s. most of its growth happens in puberty, but some final twitches are done till 25 or something. Docters in Holland have shown this through somekinda X-ray study of the brain.
If its still a growing “organ” I think any temporing by docters prematurely is an inaccurate science. Changing its “motor fluid” with pills might be the worst thing to do.
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hey i take antidepressants and haven't killed any one in weeks


please discuss with sensitivity OR FUCKING ELSE DEAD BITCH!!!
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bipolar is a real physical misfire in the brain
the usual culprit trauma whether purposeful or accidental
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I think its a case of chicken or egg which came first, rather than merely a result of drug ingestion.

There is also a psychological component that isn't being factored in. These people who are first seeking treatment are starting to come into a state of acceptance of something being "wrong" with them. This may be a very hard thing to accept - really it's not a byproduct of modern society - self criticism. So here they were mildy depressed or agitated in there own mind - then for whatever reason seek treatment and the additional psychological stress of being "less" than normal, or something "wrong" with themselves on top of the actual symptoms will almost always cause an increase in the symptoms and feelings of depression. The same thing can be expected with the introduction of a psychiatric medication. This component should have more weight on both NEW therapy and NEW psychiatric medication.
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Absolutely ! Part of the problem is the unrelenting media message that there is something "wrong" with you if you are not 100% deliriously happy 24/7 and functioning at 150%. It is a load of crap. Humans are not built to function this way.

A friend of mine fell apart after some traumatic events. Her depression and anxiety increased to really bad levels. Her doctor shoved 100mg Zoloft at her and wanted her to consider committing herself.

She never took the drug and by grace got in touch with a natur-pathic / cognitive therapist.

She was put on a strict regimine of high potency fish oil - THREE doses a day, 3,000 iu of vitamin D, targeted vitamins, minerals, upped her fat and WATER intake, forced her to get fresh air, get some SUN and more. The counselor taught her how to deal with her negative memories of the traumas. She was put on a strict sleep therapy schedule (in bed by nine) and used specific herbs. Her brain "healed" - she pulled out of it - without drugs. With emotional support, proper brain "recovery" and nutrition (this therapy is more effective. I watched all this with my own eyes.
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hey i take antidepressants and haven't killed any one in weeks


please discuss with sensitivity OR FUCKING ELSE DEAD BITCH!!!
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Tread softly around this person....softly...Egg Shells, remember Egg Shells...
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I believe Bi Polar is real, and a sign of creative people. Todays education system and upbringing does not support these types, todays schools is made for people that can sit for long hours all day in a chair and learn from a big textbook.

the days of Father to Son apprenticeship is over. Im sure alot of Bi Polar people used to be the Adventurers and the Discoverers and explorers, But everything has already been tagged, mapped and claimed, nothing left to discover or explore.


nothing left to explore so we must be sedated. i often ponder where the human species would be had mind/mood altering pharma drugs not been invented. all that is left is the great black yonder above our heads.


Not so true my friend, had big pharma not been invented and made it profitable to suffer, to kill, to make weak..
to control.. to alter minds and to label every unique quirk someone has in their personality as some disorder to be medicated

then its not so much that we ran out of things to explore, in the geological sence quite possibly yes,

but think of how we could explore ourselves, the cultures.. the people.. the personalities.. free from being branded one disorder or another and society as a whole dumbed down and subdued if they dare to be different

we have alot to find out about ourselves, a free mind, a free body and spirit can ascend to great heights of discovery in more ways than just geographical

we live a wonderful opportunity called life, there is much much much too much we overlook

but when being yourself, showing expression these days in primary school would get you medicated, diagnosed with something for simply being the lively one and the odd one out, the person that in the past would have likedly risen to great things

there is nothing much to explore.. because we either fear being catagorised, or such things are stamped out like a glowing ember before it can even start

big pharma, big corporations etc

one and the same
its not profitable to be nice, to let live.. for people to be happy

sad state of afairs wouldnt you say
 Quoting: 500g_NET



Thank you my friend, thank you, Mystic and alternative spirituality and unlocking the mysteries have been my new territory to explore, Life, human nature and parting the veil.

Next on my list is world travel and learning about all cultures person to person. Still time to be a Ambassador of sorts and I look forward to it. I enjoyed everything you pointed out. My last three years have been this sort of exploration. banana2
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+1 on the fat thing, I once went to a professional dietitian to slim down the safe way, it was part of some benefit thing with the job agency I was with so I took it, didnt learn much other than biscuits arnt food

but one thing the woman did say, and many GOOD doctors ive known, is this omega 3 craze at the moment is a very very good thing, apparently when things were a little more primitive and food didnt come out of a factory half cooked and caked in its own salt like now

we got most of our omega 3s from animals, simple cuts of meat cooked and eaten.. no damn factory between the animal, the shelf and us adding all kinds of shit

I found it interesting to find out that omega 3 is a natural anti depressant, but I dont think it can be taken as such, its not anti anything.. its just everyones so damn lacking in it.. it fixes what should have always been.. puts back what the average diet doesnt have alot of these days

cant say ive noticed a big change eating alot of fish and taking omega 3 tablets but maybe thats just normal.. im happy enough and happy with life

someone expecting the world to change into sugarplums and gumdrops if they take litres of omega 3 fish oil tablets is expecting the wrong thing

these vital oils.. they seem to let us just.. function.. as we're ment too.. lack of them.. not good.. very not good

and happyly so ive seen more and more good doctors as few as they might be absolutely pissed off at the blanket prescribing of these damn anti depressants.. maybe the tides slowly turning.. I hope so or the next generations going to be one fucked up population.. its already evident now..
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Probably equally bad for the individual diagnosed is the concerned family. They are conditioned to treat themselves and others more like automobiles than anything else. 'Oh I don't understand what you're experiencing, you must be Broken, let's send you to that nice Doctor for an checkup and to be Repaired.' Then they feel there good work has been done and slap the dust of their hands and once again enjoy the illusory solidity of conditioned reality.
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Nicely put.


I have several family and acquaintances who have been severely messed up because of serotonin uptake inhibitors.
Cui Bono?
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while on prozac i got drunk one night,and decided to steal 2 brand new cars from a show room at night,didnt have a clue how to wire them up,so pushed one down the road,ran back and pushed another next to it then just sat there and had a fag...wtf!!...heard police siren and
then ran homd under bed,the funny fucked up thing is my house was 1 miniute away,wot a stupid cunt i am...anyway long story short about a year later old bill turnd up at my house and nicked me for attemptd theft on two accounts,and criminal damage,they found me through blood on the windscreen.the moral of this story is i went to court pleaded guilty told the judge who the fuck steals cars by pushing them down road next to my house then justs sits there and has a fag oh and yes mr kind sir i was on prozac!!

...truth be told and i got let off with fine and communitry service,bascially prozac fuckedme up...dont drink and prozac!!!
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A friend of mine who was a quite heavy drinker was given Effexor for a depression I saw little evidence of, aside from how bummed out he was when he had no booze. I said he shouldn't take those pills since he drank so much and he just laughed. Next time I saw him he showed me the spot on his ceiling where he had tried to hang himself, and would have succeeded had his neighbor not come over. He had no idea why he had tried to kill himself- he was one of the most jovial guys ever, but knew it was the combination of effexor and alcohol. He was on a weekend break from the psych ward and showed me the six bottles of pills they made him take. He turned into a zombie for the next while, but finally escaped from the system and threw all the pills out. After that he was back to being just an alcoholic.
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I believe Bi Polar is real, and a sign of creative people. Todays education system and upbringing does not support these types, todays schools is made for people that can sit for long hours all day in a chair and learn from a big textbook.

the days of Father to Son apprenticeship is over. Im sure alot of Bi Polar people used to be the Adventurers and the Discoverers and explorers, But everything has already been tagged, mapped and claimed, nothing left to discover or explore.
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Rings quite close to home here, though the education system has no play these days.

Not much new under the Sun is pretty much true, and the apprenticeship has taken a bit longer than I expected, and certainly we all have higher hopes for something more exciting than the way life "is" when thinking (however irrationally) what it "could be."
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I've seen what all these "medications" do to people, and it ain't good.
Grew up with a Mother that was yearly in the "hospital" for treatment, manic depression.
Thru the years, they pumped her and then my half brother, full of so much shit....it was hard to know what was the medication talking, and what was them.
Life was a constant roller coaster ride with them...moods shift in the blink of an eye.
All the crap never made either 1 any better.
I think the side effects they have on your body, is why my mother died at 63...hard on your heart, and other internal organs.
Even though I have had battles with bouts of depression, anxiety and panick attacks......I refuse to be medicated like they were.
I've learned to recognize when I need to change my thought patterns.....use weed every day to keep everything on an even keel.
I think I've already had a much better life than either of them ever did/have.
I've never had to be hospitalized, and for the most part, it now takes something very big , emotionally traumatic to throw me back down in the pit.
Sometimes it takes longer to climb back out...but I eventually get there.
At least I know my thoughts and feelings are my own...not a product of some foreign substance , playing hell with my brain chemistry.
I'm also not a walking zombie..
In all honesty, I believe this part of me is not such a bad thing.
Some of my greatest paintings/creations have come pouring out of me when I'm a bit "manic".
The weed lets me focus, and I get lost in what I'm doing, and these awesome things that are inside of me, come pouring out.
I know if I took those drugs to "level me out"...I would lose that part of me.
I'd rather keep the low spots, than lose that.
For all I know, the pain is also an influence on my art....you do need an emotional connection to what you are painting, for it to move other people.
Sometimes, I think everyone is just too scared of a bit of pain, a bit of darkness in their lives.
Too ready to pop a pill to kill the slightest discomfort.
It may not feel good at the moment, but it is an essential part of the "life experience", and a neccesary tool that we learn by, I think.

Society wanted to stick my son on Ritalin when he was in school...I refused to do it.
You'd be surpised how hard they push...try to make you feel like you are not being a good parent, because you don't want to give your child speed every day!
I thought it best that my son learn to control his own body, than be dependant on a drug to do it..knowing that he would have to stop taking it in the worst of times...the teenage years.
We went to Thai Chi classes together every week...and I used creative visualization to calm him down when he needed to be...had him close his eyes and took him to a calm and peaceful place.
I would also give him a cup of Chamomile Tea every morning, before school.
He did alright without all their drugs!
He graduated on time, never had any big problems at school, no violence, ever.
It took time for me to do those things though...took time out of my day, every day, for years.
Most parents either just don't have that kind of time because they are so busy trying to earn a living......or they don't have the stamina to be consistant , and follow thru.....it's easier to just give the kid a pill every day.

I hate all of the drugs on that list...because I've seen it, my whole life...and none of them ever truly do good, or heal anyone.
I think they should ALL be classified as "poisons", instead of "medications", or "drug therapy".
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All I know is that I suffered from horrible depression since the age of 12, decades before they had any real treatment for it.

After suffering for another twenty years I slipped even deeper so that I quit eating for a couple of weeks. When I visited my family practitioner I caught a reflection of myself in the office mirror, my face was drawn and ashen.

The doctor prescribed Prozac. Miraculously, only 72 hours later the change in the way I felt was 180° opposite from what I had suffered for so long, a quietness suddenly came over me, not like the grey blanket of numbness or the 'filled with broken glass' feeling, but blessed peace--for the first time in decades.

I became determined to overcome depression in a more holistic manner than the drugs (which is the key here...) and I have been successful. I was only on Prozac for four months and I weaned myself from it against doctor's suggestion.

I still have to fight against depression but after knowing how good I can feel I never again have dropped back to the pit I was in before, and never have resorted to the drugs again.

The problem is the OVERPRESCRIBING of these strong and potentially dangerous drugs. There is a place and time and need for them but they are being misused because it makes someone money and keeps the masses strung out and malleable.
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