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"...businesses that serve Hispanics also report that business is down..."

DOES THIS INFER THAT THERE ARE BUSINESSES THAT CATER EXCLUSIVELY TO HISPANICS OR THAT HISPANICS ARE BARRED FROM DOING BUSINESS IN CERTAIN VENUES?
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I live in Phoenix metro so let me answer that for 'ya. There are entire sections of the city that are Hispanic. South Phoenix in the area of Lower Buckeye is about 75% Hispanic. The school in that area, Tolleson High, is 73% Hispanic. [link to www.greatschools.org]

I helped open a pizza joint down there (now out of business) and we had to get menus in Spanish because of the lack of English speakers. Some couldn't even read in Spanish - that's the sad part.

The Bank of America on the corner of 83rd and Lower Buckeye caters almost exclusively to Hispanics. It may have changed by now (doubtful) but last time I was in there, all of the pamphlets and most of the signage was Spanish. They always have pamphlets about sending money to Mexico.

There are grocery stores throughout Phoenix metro that cater almost exclusively to Hispanics. Food City is one. Ranch Market is another.

Here's Ranch Market's web site: [link to www.prosranch.com]

The grocery situation is sort of similar to the typical Asian market, it's just way more pronounced with the Hispanic markets. They make up a larger portion of the population is my guess as to why.

There are no places that I know of where Hispanics are not welcome. You'd have to be a fool to not welcome them when they are over 40% of the population in Phoenix.
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You could pay Mexicans to not work and it would be just like any other day. A few lawns might not get cut, but people would find a way to survive.

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illegals or hispanics? There is difference you know...



Both.. Why would you want to live in a state where you can be stopped and asked for papers at will. Legal immigrants and Hispanic people will leave, I would.
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Hey dope, where do you live that when a cop pulls you over you can say "oh I have no papers?", and so they let you go, no ticket, no impound, just "have a nice day sir!"
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Cops are now empowered to look for brown people. Whites are not brown so they wont be harassed. Oh I see, your one of those idealists who thinks racism doesnt exist...


Nice try but a fail in the attempt to twist things to fit your bias.

Cops are empowered to verify residency status after a probable cause stop is made.

I'd guess you'll try twisting that again but your just twisting in the wind.


I am not twisting. Illegals are most likely brown. So cops will harass brown people. If you are white they wont. It is you that tries to gloss that fact over, as well as all the other issues I've brought up. You wont deal with them because you are going to counter that I "twist things to fit my bias". That's how the boyz talk in mixed company. wink wink


So basically, whites are racist, and illegals who are mostly brown will be the victims of this vast racist conspiracy put upon them by the evil white republican empire just because they're brown, not because they're here illegally...to quote you.."ILLEGALS are most likely brown"... okay...so if terrorists are most likely men in their mid 30's of Arabic decent...who would you look for to protect the American people from terrorist attacks? 80yr. old Scottish grandmothers?
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Yup, I knew it. An idealist that thinks racism doesnt exist. Get a clue, buddy.... The latinos in Arizona seem to be wise to the fact. Or are you going to just pretend it's all a coincidence: they and only they are leaving because of the recession.
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Cops are now empowered to look for brown people. Whites are not brown so they wont be harassed. Oh I see, your one of those idealists who thinks racism doesnt exist...

Bullshit. Read the law.


I have. It gives powers to cops to harass people they suspect of being illegals. An open ended interpretation giving them the discretion to define it as they please...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 989183

Wrong.

It empowers the police to determine the immigration status of anyone who does not present valid ID after being stopped for probable cause.

If you have the ID and/or legal immigration documentation which everyone is already required by law to carry, then you have nothing to worry about, regardless of your skin color.

If I get stopped for running a stop sign or having a broken tail light, I have to present my drivers license, just like everyone else.
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You could pay Mexicans to not work and it would be just like any other day. A few lawns might not get cut, but people would find a way to survive.

[link to www.occidentaldissent.com]
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I don't think most Americans realize just how deep the hiring of illegals goes down here in AZ. It is BAD. There will be a lot more things besides lawns not being cut.

Just until cheap replacement labor is found of course.
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Cops are now empowered to look for brown people. Whites are not brown so they wont be harassed. Oh I see, your one of those idealists who thinks racism doesnt exist...


Nice try but a fail in the attempt to twist things to fit your bias.

Cops are empowered to verify residency status after a probable cause stop is made.

I'd guess you'll try twisting that again but your just twisting in the wind.


I am not twisting. Illegals are most likely brown. So cops will harass brown people. If you are white they wont. It is you that tries to gloss that fact over, as well as all the other issues I've brought up. You wont deal with them because you are going to counter that I "twist things to fit my bias". That's how the boyz talk in mixed company. wink wink


So basically, whites are racist, and illegals who are mostly brown will be the victims of this vast racist conspiracy put upon them by the evil white republican empire just because they're brown, not because they're here illegally...to quote you.."ILLEGALS are most likely brown"... okay...so if terrorists are most likely men in their mid 30's of Arabic decent...who would you look for to protect the American people from terrorist attacks? 80yr. old Scottish grandmothers?



Yup, I knew it. An idealist that thinks racism doesnt exist. Get a clue, buddy.... The latinos in Arizona seem to be wise to the fact. Or are you going to just pretend it's all a coincidence: they and only they are leaving because of the recession.
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Nobody said racism doesn't exist...you just seem to think it's only one sided.....but that has nothing to do with providing proper I.D. when pulled over.
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Most people have no clue what the people of Arizona have been dealing with for many many years.

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illegals or hispanics? There is difference you know...



Both.. Why would you want to live in a state where you can be stopped and asked for papers at will. Legal immigrants and Hispanic people will leave, I would.



Hey dope, where do you live that when a cop pulls you over you can say "oh I have no papers?", and so they let you go, no ticket, no impound, just "have a nice day sir!"
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Well it would be any scenario. You could have papers, but they could be false (or so the cop could say). Down to the cop shop you go, your car towed behind you. It could be passengers they drag off. It could be they suspect you being an illegal and search your person and find a joint. Busted. Lots of scenarios, and lots of harassment and bad consequences all because cops are given more power..
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Fuckin' ignorent idiots.
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No more free money, bitch.
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Cops are now empowered to look for brown people. Whites are not brown so they wont be harassed. Oh I see, your one of those idealists who thinks racism doesnt exist...


Nice try but a fail in the attempt to twist things to fit your bias.

Cops are empowered to verify residency status after a probable cause stop is made.

I'd guess you'll try twisting that again but your just twisting in the wind.


I am not twisting. Illegals are most likely brown. So cops will harass brown people. If you are white they wont. It is you that tries to gloss that fact over, as well as all the other issues I've brought up. You wont deal with them because you are going to counter that I "twist things to fit my bias". That's how the boyz talk in mixed company. wink wink


So basically, whites are racist, and illegals who are mostly brown will be the victims of this vast racist conspiracy put upon them by the evil white republican empire just because they're brown, not because they're here illegally...to quote you.."ILLEGALS are most likely brown"... okay...so if terrorists are most likely men in their mid 30's of Arabic decent...who would you look for to protect the American people from terrorist attacks? 80yr. old Scottish grandmothers?



Yup, I knew it. An idealist that thinks racism doesnt exist. Get a clue, buddy.... The latinos in Arizona seem to be wise to the fact. Or are you going to just pretend it's all a coincidence: they and only they are leaving because of the recession.


Nobody said racism doesn't exist...you just seem to think it's only one sided.....but that has nothing to do with providing proper I.D. when pulled over.
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I am stimulating debate that the article brought up. You call it "one sided". Yeah it's the side I bring up. Duh!
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illegals or hispanics? There is difference you know...



Both.. Why would you want to live in a state where you can be stopped and asked for papers at will. Legal immigrants and Hispanic people will leave, I would.



Hey dope, where do you live that when a cop pulls you over you can say "oh I have no papers?", and so they let you go, no ticket, no impound, just "have a nice day sir!"


Well it would be any scenario. You could have papers, but they could be false (or so the cop could say). Down to the cop shop you go, your car towed behind you. It could be passengers they drag off. It could be they suspect you being an illegal and search your person and find a joint. Busted. Lots of scenarios, and lots of harassment and bad consequences all because cops are given more power..
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Then I guess the only answer is to militarize the border...I mean, we don't want to offend anyone here. Not that Mexico shares that sentiment in it's immigration laws, or any other country for that matter.
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So it's ok for Mexican police to stop 1 white guys and ask for his papers at random but American cops can't stop a Mexican who is doing something wrong and ask for identification?

Ya know what don't even answer that because you people against this law are the ones who are killing this country and I've heard enough of your bullshit to last 5 lifetimes.
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Fuckin' ignorent idiots.


They arent ignorant, they are knowingly racist and supremicist. They like it when ALL hispanics leave, legal or not. They perpetuate the myth that they are drawing social benefits even though the article accurately says that without undocumented workers the economy will come to a screeching halt. They dont care about all that because their goal is to chase out all non anglo white christians. The governor and supporters of this bill knows this because they were warned this would happen. Arizona is going to suffer for this and I guess they'll have to look around to see who else to blame and kick them out...
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Race card doesn't work anymore.
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No offense to those who belong to a category of another race...but do you see the seriousness of treating Mexicans this way? If not, let me illuminate this situation a little for you GLP's out there:

The largest Pyramid (in Volume)happens to be in central-Mexico. Before the Spanish invaded Mexico in the 1500's, 'Mexicans' were Indian, direct relatives to the Native Americans. Secondly, you're an idiot if you dont realize the importance of the Pyramids...they hold information and technology well beyond our own time, and these are people from the past!

Lets use the Mayans for example, indians. They predicted our current transition through the Solar-plane, something that hasnt happened in our recolection throughout History. This is a very special race of people.

Dont get me wrong, I realize that as much resources that we have in the U.S., we cannot afford to take care of everyone and their mother all over the world, but why the disrespect towards Hispanics? Wut about Afro-americans? Wut about the fact that the White came to America "in the name of God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit -- just to murder the Indians the way they did? You can say wut you want, but Indians (myself included [77%]) are very gentle, but natural people. I will not beleive those who say that perhaps the Indians attacked the Europeans first or whatever, it doesnt matter because doesnt Christianity say, that, if someone hits you on one cheek, to turn the other cheek? Case-closed.

"Certain peoples" just may be messing with the wrong
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I wish every one with a say in this had to live in Arizona for a few years to find out what it's really like.

Visiting the Grand Canyon DOESN'T count.

The cops down here are assholes though. So while the illegal immigration has gotten out of hand, I'm not too thrilled about empowering this group of thugs further.
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No offense to those who belong to a category of another race...but do you see the seriousness of treating Mexicans this way? If not, let me illuminate this situation a little for you GLP's out there:

The largest Pyramid (in Volume)happens to be in central-Mexico. Before the Spanish invaded Mexico in the 1500's, 'Mexicans' were Indian, direct relatives to the Native Americans. Secondly, you're an idiot if you dont realize the importance of the Pyramids...they hold information and technology well beyond our own time, and these are people from the past!

Lets use the Mayans for example, indians. They predicted our current transition through the Solar-plane, something that hasnt happened in our recolection throughout History. This is a very special race of people.

Dont get me wrong, I realize that as much resources that we have in the U.S., we cannot afford to take care of everyone and their mother all over the world, but why the disrespect towards Hispanics? Wut about Afro-americans? Wut about the fact that the White came to America "in the name of God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit -- just to murder the Indians the way they did? You can say wut you want, but Indians (myself included [77%]) are very gentle, but natural people. I will not beleive those who say that perhaps the Indians attacked the Europeans first or whatever, it doesnt matter because doesnt Christianity say, that, if someone hits you on one cheek, to turn the other cheek? Case-closed.

"Certain peoples" just may be messing with the wrong
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Blah blah blah. People are tired of leeches. That is all.
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You know a way around all this is for each and every state to require each and every citizen to have ID. Make it so you can not get a ID if your not a citizen. Most states already do require you to provide ID when requested by the police. Since the illegal can not get ID's it would then be easy to identify them. Tie all public services, utilites, education and employment to the ID, again a lot already do. You need ID in todays society to do just about anything anyway. Legal immigrants of course would get ID's and valid passports with visa are already are accepted the world over. Give the illegal alien no place to hide.
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illegals or hispanics? There is difference you know...



Both.. Why would you want to live in a state where you can be stopped and asked for papers at will. Legal immigrants and Hispanic people will leave, I would.



Hey dope, where do you live that when a cop pulls you over you can say "oh I have no papers?", and so they let you go, no ticket, no impound, just "have a nice day sir!"


Well it would be any scenario. You could have papers, but they could be false (or so the cop could say). Down to the cop shop you go, your car towed behind you. It could be passengers they drag off. It could be they suspect you being an illegal and search your person and find a joint. Busted. Lots of scenarios, and lots of harassment and bad consequences all because cops are given more power..


Then I guess the only answer is to militarize the border...I mean, we don't want to offend anyone here. Not that Mexico shares that sentiment in it's immigration laws, or any other country for that matter.
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Militarize the borders? I think more funding to the borders, sure. But that is only one aspect of a comprehensive reform bill. You dont want the present situation where the demand for cheap labor exceeds the legal supply. That's like offering candy to someone then shooting them if they take it. Not very smart...
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illegals or hispanics? There is difference you know...



Both.. Why would you want to live in a state where you can be stopped and asked for papers at will. Legal immigrants and Hispanic people will leave, I would.
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Your asked for your lenience and registration and proof of insurance in every state. To not have one is illegal, and you have to face the consequences. I see absolutely no difference here.
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illegals or hispanics? There is difference you know...



Both.. Why would you want to live in a state where you can be stopped and asked for papers at will. Legal immigrants and Hispanic people will leave, I would.



Hey dope, where do you live that when a cop pulls you over you can say "oh I have no papers?", and so they let you go, no ticket, no impound, just "have a nice day sir!"


Well it would be any scenario. You could have papers, but they could be false (or so the cop could say). Down to the cop shop you go, your car towed behind you. It could be passengers they drag off. It could be they suspect you being an illegal and search your person and find a joint. Busted. Lots of scenarios, and lots of harassment and bad consequences all because cops are given more power..


Then I guess the only answer is to militarize the border...I mean, we don't want to offend anyone here. Not that Mexico shares that sentiment in it's immigration laws, or any other country for that matter.


Militarize the borders? I think more funding to the borders, sure. But that is only one aspect of a comprehensive reform bill. You dont want the present situation where the demand for cheap labor exceeds the legal supply. That's like offering candy to someone then shooting them if they take it. Not very smart...
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Define "more funding", and define "reform bill"
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Funny thing is that most of the people in Phoenix at least seem to not give two shits about the illegal immigration.

The last pro SB1070 rally had a really pathetic turn out.

People here truly did not give a shit until this bill was brought to light.
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Fuckin' ignorent idiots.


They arent ignorant, they are knowingly racist and supremicist. They like it when ALL hispanics leave, legal or not. They perpetuate the myth that they are drawing social benefits even though the article accurately says that without undocumented workers the economy will come to a screeching halt. They dont care about all that because their goal is to chase out all non anglo white christians. The governor and supporters of this bill knows this because they were warned this would happen. Arizona is going to suffer for this and I guess they'll have to look around to see who else to blame and kick them out...



Race card doesn't work anymore.
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Yeah sure. Sweep it under the table.

You guys are using the same old tired refrains, that just dont work anymore. Actually they never worked for me. Maybe the weak kneed libtards shake under your dimwit one liners. Not me. Next!
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illegals or hispanics? There is difference you know...



Both.. Why would you want to live in a state where you can be stopped and asked for papers at will. Legal immigrants and Hispanic people will leave, I would.


Your asked for your lenience and registration and proof of insurance in every state. To not have one is illegal, and you have to face the consequences. I see absolutely no difference here.
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You are only thinking of when you're in a car. But what about when you are on foot? Then you are not required to show ID if you are a citizen. This is where the problem enters.
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bsflag

You could pay Mexicans to not work and it would be just like any other day. A few lawns might not get cut, but people would find a way to survive.

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I don't think most Americans realize just how deep the hiring of illegals goes down here in AZ. It is BAD. There will be a lot more things besides lawns not being cut.

Just until cheap replacement labor is found of course.
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You mean like it used to be when kids right out of school could get a unskilled job. This year is the worst ever for kids getting out of school and there are no jobs for them. Why because the illegal aliens have them all as well as the economy.
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illegals or hispanics? There is difference you know...



Both.. Why would you want to live in a state where you can be stopped and asked for papers at will. Legal immigrants and Hispanic people will leave, I would.



Hey dope, where do you live that when a cop pulls you over you can say "oh I have no papers?", and so they let you go, no ticket, no impound, just "have a nice day sir!"


Well it would be any scenario. You could have papers, but they could be false (or so the cop could say). Down to the cop shop you go, your car towed behind you. It could be passengers they drag off. It could be they suspect you being an illegal and search your person and find a joint. Busted. Lots of scenarios, and lots of harassment and bad consequences all because cops are given more power..


Then I guess the only answer is to militarize the border...I mean, we don't want to offend anyone here. Not that Mexico shares that sentiment in it's immigration laws, or any other country for that matter.


Militarize the borders? I think more funding to the borders, sure. But that is only one aspect of a comprehensive reform bill. You dont want the present situation where the demand for cheap labor exceeds the legal supply. That's like offering candy to someone then shooting them if they take it. Not very smart...


Define "more funding", and define "reform bill"
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Well, I envision a comprehensive reform bill that will reduce if not stop the illegal flow, so that miltarization and more funding will not be necessary...

What reform? Arent you on top of the issues? I would suggest you study them and deal with SPECIFIC questions, not expect me to lay out a 20 page thesis for you...

I know you guys havent thought that deeply about it. You know the sledge hammer, one solution fits all, approach. But that aint going to happen, and if you dont start getting serious about national reform you wont see anything get better... just worse...
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I, for one, can't wait to see what happens to Arizona's economy. It might shut up the racist people who support such fascist and draconian measures. We shall see..
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No reform is necessary. We simply need to enforce the laws that already exist.

Arizona's bill is a large step in that direction, only necessary because the Federal government refuses to enforce their laws.
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illegals or hispanics? There is difference you know...



Both.. Why would you want to live in a state where you can be stopped and asked for papers at will. Legal immigrants and Hispanic people will leave, I would.


Your asked for your lenience and registration and proof of insurance in every state. To not have one is illegal, and you have to face the consequences. I see absolutely no difference here.


You are only thinking of when you're in a car. But what about when you are on foot? Then you are not required to show ID if you are a citizen. This is where the problem enters.
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Again, you don't have to produce one on foot but you are sure to be detained a little longer if you don't while the police interrogate you further. Just like everyone else that lives in this country.
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The only solution to this problem is replace the commies in Washington with people who care about what happens to this country. We need a government who isn't afraid to stand up and say enough is enough we're done catering to other countries,our country comes first.

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