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Strange and dangerous hydrocarbon offers no room for human error

The vast deepwater methane hydrate deposits of the Gulf of Mexico are an open secret in big energy circles. They represent the most tantalizing new frontier of unconventional energy — a potential source of hydrocarbon fuel thought to be twice as large as all the petroleum deposits ever known.

For the oil and gas industry, the substances are also known to be the primary hazard when drilling for deepwater oil.

Methane hydrates are volatile compounds — natural gas compressed into molecular cages of ice. They are stable in the extreme cold and crushing weight of deepwater, but are extremely dangerous when they build up inside the drill column of a well. If destabilized by heat or a decrease in pressure, methane hydrates can quickly expand to 164 times their volume.

Survivors of the BP rig explosion told interviewers that right before the April 20 blast, workers had decreased the pressure in the drill column and applied heat to set the cement seal around the wellhead. Then a quickly expanding bubble of methane gas shot up the drill column before exploding on the platform on the ocean's surface.

Even a hardened steel pipe has little chance against a 164-fold expansion of volume — something that would render a man six feet six inches tall suddenly the height of the Eiffel Tower.

Scientists are well aware of the awesome power of these strange hydrocarbons. A sudden large scale release of methane hydrates is believed to have caused a mass extinction 55 million years ago. Among planners concerned with mega-disasters, their sudden escape is considered to be a threat comparable to an asteroid strike or nuclear war. The Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, a Livermore, Ca.-based weapons design center, reports that when released on a large scale, methane hydrates can even cause tsunamis.

So it is not surprising to anyone who knows about the physics of these compounds that the Deepwater Horizon rig was lost like a waterfly crumpled by a force of nature scientists are still just getting to know.

Number One Deepwater Drilling Issue

SolveClimate contacted scientists at the Colorado School of Mines, Center for Hydrate Research, who focus on the fundamental science and engineering of methane hydrates to gain further insight. They did not want to speculate on the role that methane hydrates could have played in the BP disaster, but they were willing to provide a basic understanding of the nature and behavior of these familiar but little understood substances.

"Gas hydrates are the number one flow assurance issue in deepwater drilling," Carolyn Koh, an associate professor and co-director of the Hydrate Center, told us in an exclusive interview.

She explained that the oil and gas industry has a lot of experience with methane hydrates, because they have to be kept from forming in pipes or they will clog the lines, stop the flow of oil, and pose a danger. Drillers use inhibitors such as methanol to keep the hydrates from crystallizing inside drill rigs operating at great depth, where conditions for methane hydrate formation are ideal.

This film clip of an experiment conducted on the ocean floor near the Deepwater Horizon drilling site demonstrates how quickly and easily methane hydrates can form. It was conducted by the Gulf of Mexico Hydrates Research Consortium aboard the Seward Johnson in September 2006. The voices of the scientists conducting the experiment are clearly audible. More... [link to solveclimate.com]
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They are flaring gas from the well already dug, plus there are two relief wells being dug which will also hit gas pockets and need flaring as well. Plus the gas they are not capturing, the benzene and other off-gasses accelerated by sunlight. Then there are the equipment exhausts, the support vessel emissions and of course the oil dispersant vapors. Oh, and they might do a burn-off.

That is a whole lot going on in one small area and BP is just (very belatedly) covering what remains of its ass.
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Why are they flaring the gas rather than piping it to Henry Hub?

I guess the pipeline infrastructure in that area of the sea floor is damaged.
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After staying up late last night and having done much research this is what I think (and mind you I am a writer/researcher NOT a geologist or oil specialist) I do not have the wonderful mechanics of the oil spill down like SHR (BTW thanks SHR for your work on this, my husband and I read your entire last post)

Here is what I think has happened and what we should be DEMANDING NOW-

1) BP has drilled so deep that we may have hit what's called
abiotic oil (google this an you will find lots of info)

2) If we are indeed seeing "abiotic oil" from the leak my thought is that capturing and analyzing this would certainly show what the properties of the leaking oil are (I'm sure BP has done this)

3) I believe that knowing what ahead lies is in finding out WHAT IS REALLY IN THE OIL. To that end I think we, the AMERICAN PEOPLE, have a right to know and should demand FULL DISCLOSURE ON WHAT IS REALLY IN THAT OIL. To get a true read on the properties of the oil it would need to be analyzed from the oil that's coming straight out of the leak, not once it's on the surface. Because Corexit is being used we need to know what's in it BEFORE COREXIT is added to the mix.

4) There are reports of sickness in the gulf. I believe that this sickness could be caused by the compounds in the oil. I'm not even sure that it's caused just by the Corexit. This is why it's VITAL that we know what's in the original oil. THIS SHOULD BE MADE PUBLIC AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW!

We all know that there has been a mass coverup about the oil spill. We all know that people are getting sick. We have the right to know what we are facing and the government has a responsibility to demand BP be forthright and let us know what's in the oil so we can make decisions regarding our families. BP has no right to hide this information.

Scientists have been puzzled about the "reddish" color of the oil. I think it's reddish because it's a different type of oil. This would also explain BP's reluctance to let people/journalists/ etc be out and about the oil.
They know it's some sick stuff.

It's time they FULLY DISCLOSED TO US what we are facing.
And also the reports of toxins in the air should be made public on every billboard,website and paper and ON BP'S WEBSITE! The gulf dwellers, ESPECIALLY, have a right to know what they are breathing and what the future holds for them.
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Strange and dangerous hydrocarbon offers no room for human error

The vast deepwater methane hydrate deposits of the Gulf of Mexico are an open secret in big energy circles. They represent the most tantalizing new frontier of unconventional energy — a potential source of hydrocarbon fuel thought to be twice as large as all the petroleum deposits ever known.
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This is a very interesting article. I picked out the first paragraph to nitpick ...

As I understand it, the deposits are not "methane hydrate" but just methane. When exposed to moisture (seawater) they would form hydrates.

But I could be wrong, maybe they are already hydrated in the deposit, please clarify.
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After staying up late last night and having done much research this is what I think (and mind you I am a writer/researcher NOT a geologist or oil specialist) I do not have the wonderful mechanics of the oil spill down like SHR (BTW thanks SHR for your work on this, my husband and I read your entire last post)

Here is what I think has happened and what we should be DEMANDING NOW-

1) BP has drilled so deep that we may have hit what's called
abiotic oil (google this an you will find lots of info)

2) If we are indeed seeing "abiotic oil" from the leak my thought is that capturing and analyzing this would certainly show what the properties of the leaking oil are (I'm sure BP has done this)

3) I believe that knowing what ahead lies is in finding out WHAT IS REALLY IN THE OIL. To that end I think we, the AMERICAN PEOPLE, have a right to know and should demand FULL DISCLOSURE ON WHAT IS REALLY IN THAT OIL. To get a true read on the properties of the oil it would need to be analyzed from the oil that's coming straight out of the leak, not once it's on the surface. Because Corexit is being used we need to know what's in it BEFORE COREXIT is added to the mix.

4) There are reports of sickness in the gulf. I believe that this sickness could be caused by the compounds in the oil. I'm not even sure that it's caused just by the Corexit. This is why it's VITAL that we know what's in the original oil. THIS SHOULD BE MADE PUBLIC AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW!

We all know that there has been a mass coverup about the oil spill. We all know that people are getting sick. We have the right to know what we are facing and the government has a responsibility to demand BP be forthright and let us know what's in the oil so we can make decisions regarding our families. BP has no right to hide this information.

Scientists have been puzzled about the "reddish" color of the oil. I think it's reddish because it's a different type of oil. This would also explain BP's reluctance to let people/journalists/ etc be out and about the oil.
They know it's some sick stuff.

It's time they FULLY DISCLOSED TO US what we are facing.
And also the reports of toxins in the air should be made public on every billboard,website and paper and ON BP'S WEBSITE! The gulf dwellers, ESPECIALLY, have a right to know what they are breathing and what the future holds for them.
 Quoting: We should be demanding FULL DI 844118

Good post!

I personally think that all oil is abiotic, but the oil from very deep could indeed be different. We should find out what it is, without Corexit or anything else added.

And it seems the crime scene is being obstructed in a way that prevents us finding that out.

Interesting. Hmmmm...
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breaking

ptentional storm/hurricane alex is now being downplayed fast

BP said shut up.............. to news major media


we dont need no panic


we BP control all u see and hear...........



You have reached from the innner Builderberg miond to Obamas outer limits



NWO Global elite banker & Royal shills all of them


read latest 15 minutes ago

Computer models are already predicting the short life and impending death of a tropical storm that hasn't ...
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At this point containment seems unlikely. Attempts to
contain the flow at the wellhead could cause the bop
to disengage allowing an even more massive flowage from
the leak. Massive extraction is required.
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The 'hat' seems to be gone on skandi 2 cam..
Can anyone comfirm this? It's seems the main 'power-flow' is straight up now, instead of leak to the sides of thr hat.

Aslo, Intervention III ROV 2 is staring on some kind of pressure instrument.

Smell like doom to me.
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looks like we got a

hagelian dialectic


we are gonna stop it........BP


we cant stop it..............Shell


u better stop it>>>>>>>>>>>> US GOV
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We already stopped it. Nothing to see here....Obama
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To protect the public from the harmful effects of toxic chemicals and to find ways to treat people who have been harmed, scientists use many tests.

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Say expose 1/3 of the worlds Oceans.

Natural gas is a gas consisting primarily of methane. It is found associated with other fossil fuels, in coal beds, as methane clathrates, and is created by methanogenic organisms in marshes, bogs, and landfills. It is an important fuel source, a major feedstock for fertilizers, and a potent greenhouse gas.

Before natural gas can be used as a fuel, it must undergo extensive processing to remove almost all materials other than methane. The by-products of that processing include ethane, propane, butanes, pentanes, and higher molecular weight hydrocarbons, elemental sulfur, carbon dioxide, water vapor, and sometimes helium and nitrogen [link to en.wikipedia.org]

In any form, a minute amount of odorant such as t-butyl mercaptan, with a rotting-cabbage-like smell, is added to the otherwise colorless and almost odorless gas, so that leaks can be detected before a fire or explosion occurs.

Here is what they admit to now.

For the last 12 hours on June 13th (noon to midnight), approximately 7,480 barrels of oil were collected and 16.5 million cubic feet of natural gas were flared.

Lets see 16.5 / 12 = 1.375 million cubic feet per hour.

Sounds to me like the vapor off of the oil itself is minor compared to the raw stream missing the LMRP.
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There is much going on underwater today. BP has the ROVs out in force. I'd like to invite you to check out the new format at [link to WeWhoWatch.com.]

It has been modified to help those with slower connetions. All feeds are available with up to 12 feeds available on a single page.
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breaking

ptentional storm/hurricane alex is now being downplayed fast

BP said shut up.............. to news major media


we dont need no panic


we BP control all u see and hear...........



You have reached from the innner Builderberg miond to Obamas outer limits



NWO Global elite banker & Royal shills all of them


read latest 15 minutes ago

Computer models are already predicting the short life and impending death of a tropical storm that hasn't ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 376718


Its when the wind stops blowing you should be afraid.

[link to archives.cbc.ca]
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get ready glpers


toxic hydrocarbons from this spill


this is coming 4 all of u


worldwide..............soon


thanks BP
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Dont forget daddy warbucks, helbenton
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Prolly not that bad, Would like to see tripple redundancy on the releif well operation,Unless it was scrapped for the deep bomb plan. would love to know whats going to happen
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