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Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!

 
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Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
The present day scientific religion thrives only on the basis that the mainstream media play by their tune.

Well they are all together... banks, pharmaceuticals, oil, media, they all have the same people behind them.

And they have forced onto us the idea that cigarettes, mainly tobacco are the primary reason for the present day cancer growth throughout the world.

And again it is a "scientific fact" without any scientific study or proof to back it up.


Why would they want to do that? Well there is a simple explanation.

But first I would like to see if anyone of you can come up with just one scientific study that links tobacco to cancer.


ps. scientific study is not, I repeat, NOT a statistical study. Statistical studies are like computer modeling, you can change the variables as long as you don't get the result you were hoping for in the first place.

Now young scientific fundamentalist... the race is on...
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Cigarettes don't cause cancer...Parasites reproducing in the presence of Propyl alcohol inside the body when the liver is too weak to fight it off, is what causes cancer...Cigarettes do weaken the body however...
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

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...and Propyl alcohol is in EVERYTHING...
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

:Brieffromnativea:
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
Drs. Herbert L. Lombard and Carl B. Doering.
"Cancer Studies . . . Habits, Characteristics and Environment of Individuals With And Without Cancer," 198 New England Journal of Medicine (#10) 481-487
[link to medicolegal.tripod.com]

Links increases in lung & mouth cancer to tobacco smoking.

Published in 1928.

Omg epic fail OP.
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
Cigarettes don't cause cancer...Parasites reproducing in the presence of Propyl alcohol inside the body when the liver is too weak to fight it off, is what causes cancer...Cigarettes do weaken the body however...
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at least one that is not a religious or scientific fundamentalist.

ps.: radiation is a good source of cancer
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06/15/2010 11:33 AM
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
no such thing. Maybe all the shit added to cigarettes these days will cause cancer. Tobacco has been used for centuries.
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
I read a book a while ago - can't remember the title or writer - but it was about this issue: A scientist who said that NO-ONE had been able to prove that smoking leads to cancer no matter how much they forced the (poor) lab-animals to smoke.
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
Drs. Herbert L. Lombard and Carl B. Doering.
"Cancer Studies . . . Habits, Characteristics and Environment of Individuals With And Without Cancer," 198 New England Journal of Medicine (#10) 481-487
[link to medicolegal.tripod.com]

Links increases in lung & mouth cancer to tobacco smoking.

Published in 1928.

Omg epic fail OP.
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not too lucky, hey?

Did I not write in the OP that statistical study is NOT scientific study.

sheesh...

I knew that people are dumb enough to confuse them, so I specifically pointed that out. But even with that precaution in place, you post a statistical study?

ah, well...
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
I read a book a while ago - can't remember the title or writer - but it was about this issue: A scientist who said that NO-ONE had been able to prove that smoking leads to cancer no matter how much they forced the (poor) lab-animals to smoke.
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exactly what I am aiming at... and that is the truth...


You can puff cigarette smoke at any animal for as long as you want. sure, you might kill the animal in the process, but they will never grow a tumor.
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
Nuclear weapons testing is what has caused the explosion of cancer.

only 20% of smokers develop lung cancer

less than 50% of the people with lung cancer, smoke.

Lung cancer is caused by something other that the residue of a burning plant.

Plant residue cannot alter DNA code
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
The big tobacco companies agreed to take the dive instread of big oil. The only thing that they have proved that causes emphasema is diseal exhaust. Auto emmisions are the biggest cause of cancer.
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
Nuclear weapons testing is what has caused the explosion of cancer.

only 20% of smokers develop lung cancer

less than 50% of the people with lung cancer, smoke.

Lung cancer is caused by something other that the residue of a burning plant.

Plant residue cannot alter DNA code
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 415939



BINGO

One that knows...

Worlds (US,Russia, China, France) governments are responsible to have put 5000kg of plutonium in the air prior to banning open air nuclear tests.

1 microgram of plutonium causes terminal cancer.

When did the spike ib cancer happen?

When did they start blaiming it on tobacco?

it's all in the open
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
The present day scientific religion thrives only on the basis that the mainstream media play by their tune.

Well they are all together... banks, pharmaceuticals, oil, media, they all have the same people behind them.

And they have forced onto us the idea that cigarettes, mainly tobacco are the primary reason for the present day cancer growth throughout the world.

And again it is a "scientific fact" without any scientific study or proof to back it up.


Why would they want to do that? Well there is a simple explanation.

But first I would like to see if anyone of you can come up with just one scientific study that links tobacco to cancer.


ps. scientific study is not, I repeat, NOT a statistical study. Statistical studies are like computer modeling, you can change the variables as long as you don't get the result you were hoping for in the first place.

Now young scientific fundamentalist... the race is on...
 Quoting: justone 1003944


YOu do realise what you are saying is rediculous...don't you? HOw mauch proof do you need that they cause cancer? That's like saying "show me proof that a car can kill you"? Do you want to watch someone get killed by a speeding car befor your eyes? Are you that dense?
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
YOu do realise what you are saying is rediculous...don't you? HOw mauch proof do you need that they cause cancer? That's like saying "show me proof that a car can kill you"? Do you want to watch someone get killed by a speeding car befor your eyes? Are you that dense?
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Please don't be a scientific fundamentalist.

Show some evidence or go pray in your cancer church.
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OP, I'm a former smoker who totally LOVED the habit. However, I gave it up when I saw many people in my very own family dying of cancer, and they were all smokers. So scientific study aside, I just decided I didn't want to die that way.
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
YOu do realise what you are saying is rediculous...don't you? HOw mauch proof do you need that they cause cancer? That's like saying "show me proof that a car can kill you"? Do you want to watch someone get killed by a speeding car befor your eyes? Are you that dense?
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Show us your scientific study or shut up.
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
OP, I'm a former smoker who totally LOVED the habit. However, I gave it up when I saw many people in my very own family dying of cancer, and they were all smokers. So scientific study aside, I just decided I didn't want to die that way.
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good for you... but completely beside the point...

It could have been caused by any number of reasons, but of course, since they were smokers, there wasn't much to think about.
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
First before you look into this, look how many people actually die from lung cancer.
Its fuck all its like 0.001% of the population.
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OP, I'm a former smoker who totally LOVED the habit. However, I gave it up when I saw many people in my very own family dying of cancer, and they were all smokers. So scientific study aside, I just decided I didn't want to die that way.


good for you... but completely beside the point...

It could have been caused by any number of reasons, but of course, since they were smokers, there wasn't much to think about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1003944

Yeah thats right, you are 100% right.
If someone ever smoked ever once in their life, it goes down as a smoking related death.
The majority of lung cancer it is known to be caused by Radon gas naturally occurring and after mining operations and construction when they dig up the ground.
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
OP, I'm a former smoker who totally LOVED the habit. However, I gave it up when I saw many people in my very own family dying of cancer, and they were all smokers. So scientific study aside, I just decided I didn't want to die that way.
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Where did most of your family that got cancer live. what types of cancer did they get. curious.

I was raised around smokers and non of them died of lung cancer.
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
Cigarettes don't cause cancer...Parasites reproducing in the presence of Propyl alcohol inside the body when the liver is too weak to fight it off, is what causes cancer...Cigarettes do weaken the body however...


at least one that is not a religious or scientific fundamentalist.

ps.: radiation is a good source of cancer
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1003944


No. Radiation only weakens the body and allows the cancer to grow...if you have propyl alcohol in the blood and organs...
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

:Brieffromnativea:
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
Nuclear weapons testing is what has caused the explosion of cancer.

only 20% of smokers develop lung cancer

less than 50% of the people with lung cancer, smoke.

Lung cancer is caused by something other that the residue of a burning plant.

Plant residue cannot alter DNA code



BINGO

One that knows...

Worlds (US,Russia, China, France) governments are responsible to have put 5000kg of plutonium in the air prior to banning open air nuclear tests.

1 microgram of plutonium causes terminal cancer.

When did the spike ib cancer happen?

When did they start blaiming it on tobacco?

it's all in the open
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1003944

Yes and you are right again.
Much of it is from nuclear testing with host dust particles floating around the whole world.
And if you are unlucky enough to come into contact with one then it can cause cancer.
And they have half lives of like 3000 years.
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
OP, I'm a former smoker who totally LOVED the habit. However, I gave it up when I saw many people in my very own family dying of cancer, and they were all smokers. So scientific study aside, I just decided I didn't want to die that way.
 Quoting: INK 962952


The propensity of cancer is inherited. You are far more likely have certain types of cancer (such as lung cancer) if you've had a relative who's had lung cancer. It's a much larger factor than smoking.

I quit smoking but not because I'm worried about cancer. It's gotten too expensive, there's too much in the way of social prohibitions now (banned at bars here, cold winters) and it smells awful to me now.

I had a co-worker whose husband died of lung cancer and never smoked. But he spent the summer building a deck and didn't wear a face mask while sawing and sanding. Pressure treated wood has all kinds of nasty chemicals.
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
...and Propyl alcohol is in EVERYTHING...
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Got some links or furher reading recommendations?

This is a new one for me...
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OP, I'm a former smoker who totally LOVED the habit. However, I gave it up when I saw many people in my very own family dying of cancer, and they were all smokers. So scientific study aside, I just decided I didn't want to die that way.


The propensity of cancer is inherited. You are far more likely have certain types of cancer (such as lung cancer) if you've had a relative who's had lung cancer. It's a much larger factor than smoking.

I quit smoking but not because I'm worried about cancer. It's gotten too expensive, there's too much in the way of social prohibitions now (banned at bars here, cold winters) and it smells awful to me now.

I had a co-worker whose husband died of lung cancer and never smoked. But he spent the summer building a deck and didn't wear a face mask while sawing and sanding. Pressure treated wood has all kinds of nasty chemicals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 863844

They are proving now that most cancers are a virus or other type of infection. such as the new vaccine for cervical cancer. If you would have said that ten years ago, they would have hung you. lol
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
ya gotta think with everything we have now days... microwaves, powerlines, nuke plants, tv, processed frozen food.... all emit some kind of radiation or are poisonous to your body. i just dont get why its blamed on tobacco.
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
I had a co-worker whose husband died of lung cancer and never smoked. But he spent the summer building a deck and didn't wear a face mask while sawing and sanding. Pressure treated wood has all kinds of nasty chemicals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 863844


We are surrounded by chemicals: Our houses, our food, our water, the air, the soil.
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
...and Propyl alcohol is in EVERYTHING...


Got some links or furher reading recommendations?

This is a new one for me...
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Dr. Hulda Clark

"The Cure For All Cancers" and "The Cure For All Diseases"
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

:Brieffromnativea:
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
OP so your saying that radiation is the sole source of cancer and that they are blaming it on tobacco. Interesting. I had a PHD in chemistry give me the info about auto;s and cancer versus tobacco. He also worked for the DIA if that matters.
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Re: Please, show me ONE scientific study that links cigarettes to cancer!
"Statistical" studies aside.

I don't smoke simply because I had two relatives that smoked. Both died in their 50s slow and painful deaths from emphysema.

Call me stupid, but I never have and never will smoke.
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Lol. It shouldn't take a scientific study to make you realize inhaling tar is bad for you.

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