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Nibiru? Planet X? Well.......here is your answer

 
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To get away from all the "nasty mouth hecklers" is a very good reason for leaving GLP. You, Postman, will probably feel at home, on your "prison planet", with all these reprobates. Tick....tick....

I seem to recall she "goaded me" into completely debunking and trashing her claim regarding "Venus eccentricity" (she couldn't even get the term right for what she was complaining about, and what she was complaining about was also debunked) shortly after which she left. I guess she got tired of embarrassing the hell out of herself.
Thread: Venus Excentricity – Something Wrong? (Page 3)
Not saying I was the only one who debunked her or even the final straw, but it was becoming increasingly clear that she had jumped the shark. Her foot in mouth responses were so ridiculous that I think even she had to secretly admit to herself how insane she looked.
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She is only a messenger, Astronut....not a Harvard graduate. Apparently, you refuse to give anyone a little slack, who does not agree with you.
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She is only a messenger, Astronut....not a Harvard graduate. Apparently, you refuse to give anyone a little slack, who does not agree with you.
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Yeah, keep making excuses for her you liar. I didn't graduate from Harvard either. She claims to communicate with advanced aliens but she can't even get basic terminology right and the claims she's trying to describe aren't even true anyway. She's a lunatic and those who follow her do so at their own peril. History has shown that these types of cults frequently end in death.

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She is only a messenger, Astronut....not a Harvard graduate. Apparently, you refuse to give anyone a little slack, who does not agree with you.

Apparently Nancy has claimed that the Zetas she communicates
for are infallible and Astronut simply exposed the truth that
she has no communication and is a very confused and ignorant
person.
 Quoting: DrPostman


Nancy may be right, about "Venus eccentricity". It does appear Venus has gotten bigger lately. Not too long ago, when I was sitting on the patio, I looked up, and saw this huge ball of light, and was surprised to later find out it was indeed Venus.
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Nancy may be right, about "Venus eccentricity". It does appear Venus has gotten bigger lately.
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LOL, if something were wrong with Venus' eccentricity then GOTO telescopes wouldn't be able to locate it as it would be in an abnormal and unexpected orbit. Yes, Venus is getting larger as it is getting closer in its orbit, but that's what it's supposed to be doing right now; in fact it's exactly where it should be. The change in Venus' size as it approaches inferior conjunction is not something you can directly measure by sitting on your patio and looking up. Of course, since you don't actually own an LX90 you wouldn't know any of this, so your poor technique is to be expected. What Nancy was actually trying to describe was what she thought was a problem with Venus' inclination and had nothing to do with eccentricity, so by saying Nancy may be right about a problem with Venus' eccentricity, you're hilariously contradicting your own dear leader. Volar, your gaffes are the gift that keeps on giving.

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The pictures Nancy has presented, are mostly taken at "sunset", without the need of a filter, or a filter with low contrast. Never, as far as I know, has a PX picture been shown, with the Sun high in the sky, taken with a backyard amateur scope.



Makes absolutely no difference. Those images still purport to show a PX which rivals the Sun in brightness. In fact, the atmosphere and clouds have simply functioned as a natural "Solar filter", which you claim is useless in viewing the imaginary PX!



Maybe so, however, these are on very rare occasions, and not enough time to set up a scope. Never-the-less, when this happens, maybe I will take a few shots with my camcorder, just like everyone else. Then again, since time is getting very short, there will be plenty of chances to view this monster of a Planet very soon, without the need of anything except your own very eyes. Tick...tick...
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Of course you avoid the point entirely. The POINT is that many of the images which are claimed to show PX, feature something which rivals the Sun in brightness. If that is the case, a Solar filter would not block it out. Given that, your excuse for not using your imaginary telescope to find PX is moot.
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Nancy may be right, about "Venus eccentricity". It does appear Venus has gotten bigger lately.

LOL, if something were wrong with Venus' eccentricity then GOTO telescopes wouldn't be able to locate it as it would be in an abnormal and unexpected orbit. Yes, Venus is getting larger as it is getting closer in its orbit, but that's what it's supposed to be doing right now; in fact it's exactly where it should be. The change in Venus' size as it approaches inferior conjunction is not something you can directly measure by sitting on your patio and looking up. Of course, since you don't actually own an LX90 you wouldn't know any of this, so your poor technique is to be expected. What Nancy was actually trying to describe was what she thought was a problem with Venus' inclination and had nothing to do with eccentricity, so by saying Nancy may be right about a problem with Venus' eccentricity, you're hilariously contradicting your own dear leader. Volar, your gaffes are the gift that keeps on giving.
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Say what you may, Astronut. Never, in my whole life, have I ever seen Venus as large as it appeared that day. You may be right, then again, you may be a liar, and a shill.
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Say what you may, Astronut. Never, in my whole life, have I ever seen Venus as large as it appeared that day. You may be right, then again, you may be a liar, and a shill.
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Easy way to tell: set up your telescope properly, and make sure it tracks the stars the way it ought to. Then, have it slew to Venus.

If the telescope moves to Venus, Venus is in its predicted spot and Nancy is wrong yet again.

After that, you box it up and send me your "useless toy" for $100.
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OK, now with all seriousness, if you see 2 suns can you please post here some pictures? 2 of more to discart lens flares....... or that is a hard task for you?

goodnews

You ask "hard" for a proof that can be seen!
a "hard" visual proof without lens flare!

But, when capturing a sighting of a 2nd Sun!
WHAT is a REAL lens flare and WHAT is not?

I give you 3 amateur videos taken at different
geo-location, distance, zoom, background, etc.

(2nd Sun far from the sun)


(2nd Sun close to the sun)


(2nd Sun behind the clouds)


It is up to you to discern what you see!

Have FAITH!
a lot of FAITH!
you will need it SOON!
for a great time of SIGHTING!
goodnews

wow, difficult comparison, let me tray, let me guess!

a camera lens flare?
images do not look washed out
flares don't exist behind the clouds
and don't go down during the sunset
if camera moves away from the light
normally the flares should disappear

a camera artifact?
I don't see a haze, at all
and don't see any opacity
so is not an orb,
it's crystal clear
and it's too bright
and/or too far from Sun

a typical sun dog?
don't see a luminous ring or halo
in Sri Lanka, Colombo, no way!
it's not cold like in Siberia
it's a warm place all the time

if i put all this together
i don't know what to think,
don't know what to say
i need some help, right now
we need an astronomer here
help crazyjak help


ok people, me too i like provable data.
there is another way to prove things and that is repeatability and reproducibility.

Let's try to reproduce those lens-flares working independently. How many are we? with how many cameras?
from how many places? How many observers?

If we fail to replicated it, we simply prove
the sightings could be real.

peace to you all peace
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so where is it? PX? Nancy? xyz? hunter
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Nancy may be right, about "Venus eccentricity". It does appear Venus has gotten bigger lately.

LOL, if something were wrong with Venus' eccentricity then GOTO telescopes wouldn't be able to locate it as it would be in an abnormal and unexpected orbit. Yes, Venus is getting larger as it is getting closer in its orbit, but that's what it's supposed to be doing right now; in fact it's exactly where it should be. The change in Venus' size as it approaches inferior conjunction is not something you can directly measure by sitting on your patio and looking up. Of course, since you don't actually own an LX90 you wouldn't know any of this, so your poor technique is to be expected. What Nancy was actually trying to describe was what she thought was a problem with Venus' inclination and had nothing to do with eccentricity, so by saying Nancy may be right about a problem with Venus' eccentricity, you're hilariously contradicting your own dear leader. Volar, your gaffes are the gift that keeps on giving.


Say what you may, Astronut. Never, in my whole life, have I ever seen Venus as large as it appeared that day. You may be right, then again, you may be a liar, and a shill.
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Project much, liar?
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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Say what you may, Astronut. Never, in my whole life, have I ever seen Venus as large as it appeared that day. You may be right, then again, you may be a liar, and a shill.
 Quoting: Volar 891184

How in the hell did you measure the size? Did you break out the telescope you pretend to have? If so, if your pretend scope found Venus successfully with a slew then you were wrong to suggest Venus' eccentricity might have changed. Now you've painted yourself into a corner; if you claim your fake scope failed to find Venus I can directly test that claim and prove you to be a liar. If you claim it found Venus ok then you were wrong to suggest anything was wrong. If you admit you never looked at it with a scope and only gauged the size by eye, then you didn't measure the size at all because Venus' size is measured in arcseconds which is far too small for the human eye to resolve and measure. Checkmate, liar. I've been telling the truth. Let's see which lie you'll go with.
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Say what you may, Astronut. Never, in my whole life, have I ever seen Venus as large as it appeared that day. You may be right, then again, you may be a liar, and a shill.

How in the hell did you measure the size? Did you break out the telescope you pretend to have? If so, if your pretend scope found Venus successfully with a slew then you were wrong to suggest Venus' eccentricity might have changed. Now you've painted yourself into a corner; if you claim your fake scope failed to find Venus I can directly test that claim and prove you to be a liar. If you claim it found Venus ok then you were wrong to suggest anything was wrong. If you admit you never looked at it with a scope and only gauged the size by eye, then you didn't measure the size at all because Venus' size is measured in arcseconds which is far too small for the human eye to resolve and measure. Checkmate, liar. I've been telling the truth. Let's see which lie you'll go with.
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Let me tell it to you very slowly, so you may be able to understand, Astronut. First we define what is meant by "eccentricity". Eccentricity in astronomy means deviation from the orbital path, or circle. Since Venus appeared larger doesn't mean it increased in size. My reasoning was that it may have deviated, or was driven from its orbital path, and coming closer to Earth, making it appear larger. i.e, the Moon appears much larger than Venus, since it is much closer to Earth. If you now understand what I am saying, a simple yes, will suffice.

I really do not know what you, and Postman are on, but you both need to take some more "steps". Your faulty comprehension is getting much worst.
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Let me tell it to you very slowly, so you may be able to understand, Astronut. First we define what is meant by "eccentricity". Eccentricity in astronomy means deviation from the orbital path, or circle.
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No, it isn't a measure of "deviation". The planets all have elliptical orbits. Eccentricity is a measure of the difference between an ellipse and a perfect circle. A perfect circle has an eccentricity of 0. The greater the eccentricity, the more elongated the ellipse is. Your use of "deviation" to describe it is at best, misguided, and at worst a deliberate attempt to mislead.

Since Venus appeared larger doesn't mean it increased in size. My reasoning was that it may have deviated, or was driven from its orbital path, and coming closer to Earth, making it appear larger.
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Venus does come closer to Earth in its normal elliptical orbit from time to time. At such times it does appear larger and brighter. Did you have an actual point to make?

i.e, the Moon appears much larger than Venus, since it is much closer to Earth. If you now understand what I am saying, a simple yes, will suffice.
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Yes, you are seeing a normal Venus and making wild claims that it has "deviated" from its normal position, with absolutely no evidence except how it "appeared" to you.
I suppose it didn't occur to you to whip out your imaginary telescope.

I really do not know what you, and Postman are on, but you both need to take some more "steps". Your faulty comprehension is getting much worst.
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So is your faulty typing. That should read "worse". And the sly ad hom in there is not unnoticed.
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My first laugh of the day: Volar pretending to explain astronomy.

How's that nonexistent telescope of yours doing, Volar, you fucking worthless lying piece of shit?
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LOL



More gawd awful junk science.



Our schools have failed and we have a bunch of idiots out there.




Your facts are made up and have no basis in reality.

made up? really? ok, prove it- I guarantee they are not made up, science is my job, whats yours?


No, that's not how it works.
When you make ridiculous claims, it's YOU that has to prove yourself right!


there is not enough time to debate you, it would take anybody here minutes to debunk this- this information is public- if you don't like it don't read it, this information is intended to help people


It's all been thoroughly debunked countless times. None of the 'circumstantial' evidence you post has any proven link to any 'brown dwarf'.

Planet X/Niburu is bullshit.
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Right. We exist on a rock spinning in a solar system that is part of an endless universe, but it is absolutely impossible another planet out there could ever be heading our way. Period.
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Let me tell it to you very slowly, so you may be able to understand, Astronut. First we define what is meant by "eccentricity". Eccentricity in astronomy means deviation from the orbital path, or circle.

No, it isn't a measure of "deviation". The planets all have elliptical orbits. Eccentricity is a measure of the difference between an ellipse and a perfect circle. A perfect circle has an eccentricity of 0. The greater the eccentricity, the more elongated the ellipse is. Your use of "deviation" to describe it is at best, misguided, and at worst a deliberate attempt to mislead.

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No...."deviation" is correct. And...."worst" is the adjective best describing those two birds.

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Volar, wrong again, thus maintaining his PERFECT record of astronomical bumfuckery!
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Let me tell it to you very slowly, so you may be able to understand, Astronut. First we define what is meant by "eccentricity". Eccentricity in astronomy means deviation from the orbital path, or circle.
 Quoting: Volar 891184

Eccentricity describes how elliptical an orbit is, THAT is the deviation from a circle, it is NOT deviation from an orbital path you lying idiot.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
If Venus' eccentricity has changed, attempts to track it using old orbital elements will fail
Since Venus appeared larger doesn't mean it increased in size.
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When I say increased in size OF COURSE I MEAN APPARENT SIZE, NOT LITERAL SIZE! STOP TWISTING MY WORDS YOU LYING MORON!
If you now understand what I am saying, a simple yes, will suffice.
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You obviously didn't understand (probably intentionally misunderstood) what I meant when I asked how you measured the change in size. I even said it should appear to change in size as it draws closer to us and approaches the point of inferior conjunction, so obviously you're lying again to pretend like I meant something different. I never said you meant a literal change in size, but even a change in apparent size due to a change in the amount of ellipticality of Venus' orbit would be measured in arcseconds, far below the human eye's ability to resolve, so how did you measure it? Did you pretend to use your fake telescope?
I really do not know what you, and Postman are on, but you both need to take some more "steps". Your faulty comprehension is getting much worst.
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You're the one who utterly failed to comprehend what I said, and given that I even described how it should change in apparent size as it draws closer to us leading up to inferior conjuction, there's no way you could have honestly misunderstood.
Yes, Venus is getting larger as it is getting closer in its orbit, but that's what it's supposed to be doing right now; in fact it's exactly where it should be. The change in Venus' size as it approaches inferior conjunction is not something you can directly measure by sitting on your patio and looking up.
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Once again you're proven to be a lying sack of shit.

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You know, even if Volar ever does buy a *real* telescope, he won't be able to keep it -- because the scope will hike up its little tripod legs and run away out of sheer shame at being owned by such a drooling, dim-witted imbecile.

Don't you have some brightly-colored bits of string to play with, Volar? Or maybe some soft foam toys designed to resist chewing and slobbering?
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Just look at Venus, western sky just above horizon. Never seen it so bright
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I have never seen Venus so bright in my life as I have this year. I have already made this observation to myself while on Surveillance in the boondocks. It's tremendously brighter than usual. I agree. But I thought it was just me.
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Just look at Venus, western sky just above horizon. Never seen it so bright


I have never seen Venus so bright in my life as I have this year. I have already made this observation to myself while on Surveillance in the boondocks. It's tremendously brighter than usual. I agree. But I thought it was just me.
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I couldn't agree with you more, Klaxon. Thanks for the input. Astronut, with all his proclaimed glory, and wisdom, almost had me convinced he wasn't a "shill". Could it be Venus is getting closer, and the "deceivers" are moving further away?
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By the way, Klaxon, are you a soldier in the Army?
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Astronut, with all his proclaimed glory, and wisdom, almost had me convinced he wasn't a "shill".
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Your opinion of me is worth jack; you're a proven liar and you'll say anything about me to try to keep your delusions afloat. You openly admited just now that you somehow thought it was my duty to prove to you I wasn't a "shill," showing your blatant bias and paranoia. Now you're not only falsely accusing me of being a "shill" you're blatantly trying to convince someone else of the same as it's the only way you can attack my arguments. It's pure ad hom stupidity and it's defamatory in nature.
Could it be Venus is getting closer, and the "deceivers" are moving further away?
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Venus IS getting closer, but no more so than its supposed to as it approaches inferior conjunction.

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I've been seeing Venus most of my life too. I've even seen it through instruments we call 'telescopes.' You should look that word up, Volar.

And the appearance of Venus is nothing surprising. At least not is you have even a hint of education.

Not surprising that Volar is sent into a tizzy, though...
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She is only a messenger, Astronut....not a Harvard graduate. Apparently, you refuse to give anyone a little slack, who does not agree with you.
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A little slack? How about just one single prediction or claim that is true? JUST ONE!
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She is only a messenger, Astronut....not a Harvard graduate. Apparently, you refuse to give anyone a little slack, who does not agree with you.

Apparently Nancy has claimed that the Zetas she communicates
for are infallible and Astronut simply exposed the truth that
she has no communication and is a very confused and ignorant
person.


Nancy may be right, about "Venus eccentricity". It does appear Venus has gotten bigger lately. Not too long ago, when I was sitting on the patio, I looked up, and saw this huge ball of light, and was surprised to later find out it was indeed Venus.
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Venus orbits the sun closer than we do. Therefore, sometimes you see it on our side and sometimes on the other side. Since it's closer to the sun than we are, it also goes through phases like the moon. So why would you think it unusual that you would see it brighter at some times than others?
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Say what you may, Astronut. Never, in my whole life, have I ever seen Venus as large as it appeared that day. You may be right, then again, you may be a liar, and a shill.
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May be...but YOU are a proven liar and shill.
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She is only a messenger, Astronut....not a Harvard graduate. Apparently, you refuse to give anyone a little slack, who does not agree with you.

Apparently Nancy has claimed that the Zetas she communicates
for are infallible and Astronut simply exposed the truth that
she has no communication and is a very confused and ignorant
person.


Nancy may be right, about "Venus eccentricity". It does appear Venus has gotten bigger lately. Not too long ago, when I was sitting on the patio, I looked up, and saw this huge ball of light, and was surprised to later find out it was indeed Venus.
 Quoting: Volar 891184


Look at this image of the various phases of Venus. Note the tremendous variation in its apparent size and brightness as it orbits the sun. If you would actually use that telescope that you claim to own, you could see this on your own. But you're not intelligent enough for that.
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Let me tell it to you very slowly, so you may be able to understand, Astronut. First we define what is meant by "eccentricity". Eccentricity in astronomy means deviation from the orbital path, or circle.

No, it isn't a measure of "deviation". The planets all have elliptical orbits. Eccentricity is a measure of the difference between an ellipse and a perfect circle. A perfect circle has an eccentricity of 0. The greater the eccentricity, the more elongated the ellipse is. Your use of "deviation" to describe it is at best, misguided, and at worst a deliberate attempt to mislead.



No...."deviation" is correct. And...."worst" is the adjective best describing those two birds.

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No, volar, your definition of deviation is not correct at all. Look it up in any astronomy text.
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Say what you may, Astronut. Never, in my whole life, have I ever seen Venus as large as it appeared that day. You may be right, then again, you may be a liar, and a shill.
 Quoting: Volar 891184


Here is a good illustration of the size variation of Venus as seen in different parts of its orbit.

[link to transientsky.files.wordpress.com]

Secondly, you can't judge the "size" of Venus by naked eye because it's too small to see its diameter without optical aid. What you are percieving is its apparent changes in brightness, as shown in the picture above. The resolving power of the unaided eye is about 60 arc-seconds, which is also the largest apparent diameter Venus ever gets, so naked eye resolving of its diameter is extremely rare and only by those with perfect eyesight in extremely still atmospheric conditions.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]





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