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JABBING JUPITER - Testing the Titan

 
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For D-T fusion, temps seem to be around 100,000,000 K required.


Also note that the star-sustaining mass limit has been set for NATURAL creation of a star. (which now appears to be closer to one Jupiter mass anyway), BUT this rule can be completely BYPASSED because we are talking about CREATING the temps necessary ARTIFICIALLY, these temps are what the star mass limit is all about: what temp does it take to initiate fusion and how much mass is required to reach that temp..!

SO, when you artificially CREATE the temps, you can throw the star mass limit out the window.

If Jupiter can be INDUCED to start even though it may last only hundreds of years of sustain, you still get your star.

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This would seem to create a situation where you have a VERY HOT BURN of Jupiter fuel, but for a relatively SHORT TIME in astronomical terms, like you say HUNDREDS OF YEARS, rather than eons.

So a key question could become: "How Hot does a quick burn star get?" and obviously this would change the luminosity and solar radiation capacity for what reaches Earth.

Under normal conditions, I don't believe a Jupiter Star would actually put out a significant amount of energy as far as Earth is concerned, but a very hot burn could be much more significant.
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[link to bppx90.bp.ehu.es:8080]

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Pale Jupiter

compared to last year? maybe it's just the lack of the SEB, but Jupiter looks very pale lately.
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Sept. 2008 image by Wesley
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[link to bppx90.bp.ehu.es:8080]

What's the glowing mark from the 16th of July? Anyone?
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What's the glowing mark from the 16th of July? Anyone?
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Nevermind, just a moon...
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Mentions Jupiter.
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Hey, that's an attempted rebuttal of the "Lucifer Project".

Thanks for that link. I have noticed they skirted around all of the main points that allow such a nuclear explosion.

They mostly talk of conventional parameters of Earth nuclear explosions which are entirely different from highly pressurized conditions inside gas giants.

Pu-238 mixture that Galileo and Cassini held is considered weaponable by the latest studies by Richard Garwin of the Jason Group. It's not all Pu-238 and the 238 is constantly converting to 239.

When they talk of "sustained reaction to fusion for stars", they ignore the fact the the pressure required that is assumed for a star to be born is there for the INITIATION of the HEAT required to bring about FUSION. When the HEAT IS ARTIFICIALLY INDUCED as with the UNNATURAL FISSION REACTION, you get to BYPASS the pressure rule.

In other words: WHEN YOU SUCCESSFULLY AND ARTIFICIALLY CREATE THE PROPER TEMPS TO MAKE FUSION INSIDE A GAS GIANT, THAT GAS GIANT NO LONGER NEED THE "REQUIRED MASS" TO BECOME A STAR, because you have allowed it to create the proper temps inside by unnautural means. That body is now viable for fusion once 100,000,000 K temps are achieved inside. Normally this could have only occurred naturally under much greater pressure. This situation makes that rule bypassable. It is true that this kind of star would be short-live though, BUT short-lived can mean hundreds of years.
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It's the very fact that these pellets are super-protected theat makes the theory viable. The plutonium pellets do NOT break up on atmospheric entry AND with each mile of fall into the gas giant the PRESSURE INCREASE not only acts to bring the Pu closer to critical, it also ensures that the MELTING POINT increases for the pellet allowing it a SELF-SUSTAINING INTACT FALL. For Saturn and Jupiter the acceleration of Gravity keep increasing extremely deep into the planet. For Jupiter grav accel keeps going up to about 85% of the radius! So you can see that the pellets keep falling and falling to the center INTACT!
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Since Plutonium has the characteristic of switching phase to Alpha very quickly once conditions are right, you don't need the bomb induction method to induce a fission explosion, you just need the high pressure at some point to cause the phase change at which point the Pu goes to fission.
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OP, have you read about random number generation, that when man starts to pay attention to it the numbers are no longer random?


Is it possible that simply because we are obsercing that the object begins to change?

One could argue that such influence only applies to man made objects. However quantum physics also encounters this influence
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For Jupiter, the situation is even sneakier as they slipped in 15 LWRHU's under full protection of a standard heat shield when the Galileo Probe entered in 1995.

Furthermore, critical mass CHANGES based on PRESSURE. I notice that the artical skirts that also.

As pressure INCREASES dramatically, the super-critical pressure point of Plutonium DECREASES. This means that VERY TINY AMOUNTS OF Pu can actually go super under extreme pressure.
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OP, have you read about random number generation, that when man starts to pay attention to it the numbers are no longer random?


Is it possible that simply because we are obsercing that the object begins to change?

One could argue that such influence only applies to man made objects. However quantum physics also encounters this influence
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No, I haven't, but that sounds interesting. Do you have a good link for an article?
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The comments section of the Unverse Today article on the Lucifer Project have been disabled. Can anyone get to them?
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The comments section of the Unverse Today article on the Lucifer Project have been disabled. Can anyone get to them?
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[link to www.universetoday.com]
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I noticed in the article they state that "one might see a few electrical flashes, but no detonation...."


We have seen electrical flashed on Jupiter recently....
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I noticed in the article they state that "one might see a few electrical flashes, but no detonation...."


We have seen electrical flashed on Jupiter recently....
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"flashes" I mean
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OP, have you read about random number generation, that when man starts to pay attention to it the numbers are no longer random?


Is it possible that simply because we are obsercing that the object begins to change?

One could argue that such influence only applies to man made objects. However quantum physics also encounters this influence



No, I haven't, but that sounds interesting. Do you have a good link for an article?
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Sorry i do not, its rwally bits and pieces from TV and web articles.

The random number influence blew my mind. Essentially scientists let machine run without obsevation....and the numbers were as they expected. However when they put a person in front of the machine and asked them to think of a number, the results were not random and the number being thought of was present more.

Very interesting stuff.
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I noticed in the article they state that "one might see a few electrical flashes, but no detonation...."


We have seen electrical flashed on Jupiter recently....



"flashes" I mean
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"What if there was a nuclear explosion inside Saturn's atmosphere? Well, it looks like it would be a pretty boring affair. I dare say a few lively electrical storms might be generated, but we wouldn't see much from Earth."
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OP, have you read about random number generation, that when man starts to pay attention to it the numbers are no longer random?


Is it possible that simply because we are obsercing that the object begins to change?

One could argue that such influence only applies to man made objects. However quantum physics also encounters this influence



No, I haven't, but that sounds interesting. Do you have a good link for an article?



Sorry i do not, its rwally bits and pieces from TV and web articles.

The random number influence blew my mind. Essentially scientists let machine run without obsevation....and the numbers were as they expected. However when they put a person in front of the machine and asked them to think of a number, the results were not random and the number being thought of was present more.

Very interesting stuff.
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That's wild....observation promotes organization. OR Thought promotes Order.
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OP, have you read about random number generation, that when man starts to pay attention to it the numbers are no longer random?


Is it possible that simply because we are obsercing that the object begins to change?

One could argue that such influence only applies to man made objects. However quantum physics also encounters this influence



No, I haven't, but that sounds interesting. Do you have a good link for an article?



Sorry i do not, its rwally bits and pieces from TV and web articles.

The random number influence blew my mind. Essentially scientists let machine run without obsevation....and the numbers were as they expected. However when they put a person in front of the machine and asked them to think of a number, the results were not random and the number being thought of was present more.

Very interesting stuff.



That's wild....observation promotes organization. OR Thought promotes Order.
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I guess i would have to say that it is based around thought. Here is a paper i just dug up. The author basically comes to the conclusion that the analysis results in "not proven", but sill a good read.

[link to www.ebo.de]

Also the quantum level transformation of energy based on human observation is interesting as well. Unfortunately the specifics escape me at the moment. Obviously this type of study has massive implications as it relates to man and why we are here. Quantum physics really starts to point to a persons beliefs for answers.
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ANOTHER ONE!!!!!!!


THESE ARE NOT IMPACTS, THEY ARE COMING FROM WITHIN!

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"What if there was a nuclear explosion inside Saturn's atmosphere? Well, it looks like it would be a pretty boring affair. I dare say a few lively electrical storms might be generated, but we wouldn't see much from Earth."

And again we have another flash, the 3rd in 13 months.
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Please also use your brain, if these were "fireballs" from impacts, we should expect debris marks...THERE ARE NO DEBRIS MARKS!

What should this tell you?
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FIREBALL ON JUPITER: On August 20th at 18:22 UT:

"Like the event of June 3rd, this fireball did not produce any visible debris," notes John Rogers, director of the British Astronomical Association's Jupiter section."
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bump

"Fireball" cannot be an impact, there is no debris. It's an electrical event.
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The following are seven significant events that have occurred on Jupiter in the past 16.1 years:

1) 1994 – SL-9 and Galileo Imaging of the Event (July 16-22)

2) 1995 – Galileo Atmospheric Entry Probe Insertion (December 7)

3) 2003 – Galileo Plunge and Jupiter “Mystery Mark” (September 21 & October 19)

4) 2009 – Wesley Mark Event (July 19)

5) 2010 – Jupiter Southern Equatorial Belt (SEB) Disappearance (late 2009 to early 2010)

6) 2010 – Wesley/Go Flash Event (June 3)

7) 2010 - Tachikawa Flash Event (NEB) (August 20)
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The following are seven significant events that have occurred on Jupiter in the past 16.1 years:

1) 1994 – SL-9 and Galileo Imaging of the Event (July 16-22)

2) 1995 – Galileo Atmospheric Entry Probe Insertion (December 7)

3) 2003 – Galileo Plunge and Jupiter “Mystery Mark” (September 21 & October 19)

4) 2009 – Wesley Mark Event (July 19)

5) 2010 – Jupiter Southern Equatorial Belt (SEB) Disappearance (late 2009 to early 2010)

6) 2010 – Wesley/Go Flash Event (June 3)

7) 2010 - Tachikawa Flash Event (NEB) (August 20)
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JABBING JUPITER – Testing the Titan
6-16-2010 – August S. France

This paper poses the question, “Are we looking at strictly coincidental and anomalous events here (outside event number 2), or do the evidence and statistical odds actually point to manmade cause and effect for at least some of the above events?”

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