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It's HOLONs...all the way up, and all the way down...

 
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Tenets 12 a,b,c,d,e

Evolution has directionality:
a. increasing complexity.
b. increasing differentiation/integration.
c. increasing organization/structuration.
d. increasing relative autonomy.
e. increasing telos.

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Holons are from the Hathors who "say that they are a group of interdimensional, intergalactic beings who were connected with ancient Egypt through the Temples of the Goddess Hathor, as well as several other pre-history cultures."

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The Holon of Balance and The Holon of Healing
The Holon of Ascension
The Holon of Planetary Ascension

Interesting reading indeed!
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Holons are from the Hathors who "say that they are a group of interdimensional, intergalactic beings who were connected with ancient Egypt through the Temples of the Goddess Hathor, as well as several other pre-history cultures."

[link to tomkenyon.com]

The Holon of Balance and The Holon of Healing
The Holon of Ascension
The Holon of Planetary Ascension

Interesting reading indeed!

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I'm sure it's an interesting read, but Holons come from Arthur Koestler...sorry...
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Have I been blasting you guys with too much information today?

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When you come back in the morning, please blast us with some more! banana2
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You guys need to understand holons...it is the structure of our reality...or should I say...our current reality...it is a foundational concept...opens your eyes to understanding the way complexity works...patterns...overlaying patterns...
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OK, I will go back to the beginning...it is all very simple once the concept is recognized...

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A holon is something that is simultaneously a whole and a part. The word was coined by Arthur Koestler in his book The Ghost in the Machine (1967, p. 48). Koestler was compelled by two observations in proposing the notion of the holon. The first observation was influenced by Nobel Prize winner Herbert Simon's parable of the two watchmakers, wherein Simon concludes that complex systems will evolve from simple systems much more rapidly if there are stable intermediate forms present in that evolutionary process than if they are not present. The second observation was made by Koestler himself in his analysis of hierarchies and stable intermediate forms in both living organisms and social organizations. He concluded that, although it is easy to identify sub-wholes or parts, wholes and parts in an absolute sense do not exist anywhere. Koestler proposed the word holon to describe the hybrid nature of sub-wholes and parts within in vivo systems. From this perspective, holons exist simultaneously as self-contained wholes in relation to their sub-ordinate parts, and dependent parts when considered from the inverse direction.
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Koestler noted that in every order of existence, from physical to chemical to biological and social systems, entirely self supporting, non-interacting entities did not exist. And more importantly, that entities can be seen to lie in holarchical relationship with each other. He called systems of such entities Open Hierarchical Systems (OHS) and these have subsequently been called holarchies. Every identifiable unit of organization, such as a single cell in an animal or a family unit in a society, comprises more basic units (mitochondria and nucleus, parents and siblings) while at the same time forming a part of a larger unit of organization (a muscle tissue and organ, community and society). A holon, as Koestler devised the term, is an identifiable part of a system that has a unique identity, yet is made up of sub-ordinate parts and in turn is part of a larger whole.
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[link to www.integralworld.net]

It is not by accident, I believe, that the two founders of holon theory have both come from outside of academia.

For others that follow my threads you will notice, and I have said this numerous times...these developments...the new paradigm..will come from outside academia. -SickScent
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Spiral out...
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Another excellent post SS!

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SickScent I appreciate your posts. You are one of the nine people I have chosen (from GLP) to help administrate the TFOS forum. (Sorry, this is off topic. I don't have a membership to this forum so i can't send private messages.) The forum I have just recently created, potentially will hold many of the same ideas I find in your threads and in your blog. I can tell because of the motive behind your threads your destined to help the World. There are many people out there just like us and we need to find them. Check out the below link only if you are interested. Note : the website as you can see says TFOSmusic.net, this will soon change to TFOSforum.net, another person out of the eight that I have found on god like productions just bought new Website Software and is creating the new website. Another note : my idea is to build up the population of the TFOS forum. Then once we have a good amount of posters, We find the Intelligent posters and delete the rest (this will help stop the "BS") if my idea works we have created an amazing environment, able to accomplish any thing. Let me know. And if your not interested thanks any way and i appreciate your posts on god like productions.
email : OneMind1@hotmail.com or just post a reply on one of my threads.
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SickScent I appreciate your posts. You are one of the nine people I have chosen (from GLP) to help administrate the TFOS forum. (Sorry, this is off topic. I don't have a membership to this forum so i can't send private messages.) The forum I have just recently created, potentially will hold many of the same ideas I find in your threads and in your blog. I can tell because of the motive behind your threads your destined to help the World. There are many people out there just like us and we need to find them. Check out the below link only if you are interested. Note : the website as you can see says TFOSmusic.net, this will soon change to TFOSforum.net, another person out of the eight that I have found on god like productions just bought new Website Software and is creating the new website. Another note : my idea is to build up the population of the TFOS forum. Then once we have a good amount of posters, We find the Intelligent posters and delete the rest (this will help stop the "BS") if my idea works we have created an amazing environment, able to accomplish any thing. Let me know. And if your not interested thanks any way and i appreciate your posts on god like productions.
email : OneMind1@hotmail.com or just post a reply on one of my threads.
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We'll see. I'm extremely busy right now. But, keep in touch and we'll see what...
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Another excellent post SS!

rockon
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rockon
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Jane Roberts' Seth spoke of "units of consciousness" as the bulding blocks of our reality. Could this describe holons as well?
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Could you give some examples of what
stable intermediate forms
 Quoting: Sickscent

might be?
Thanks very much in advance. :)
hf
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Jane Roberts' Seth spoke of "units of consciousness" as the bulding blocks of our reality. Could this describe holons as well?
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Yes...the philisophical concept of holons can be placed into ANY form...societal, biological, etc.
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Could you give some examples of what

stable intermediate forms

might be?
Thanks very much in advance. :)
hf
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Water...

You have atoms, molecules, two hydrogen bonding with one oxygen forming a 'stable intermediate form'...water. Water exists in higher complex forms, ie...us. Therefore, it can be stated that it is a stable intermediate form as it can exist without us, but at the same time, can exist within us (within higher complexity).
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shit! i thought it was turtles!!
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shit! i thought it was turtles!!
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lmao

I was wondering who was going to get that reference! awesome...
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bump
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Water...

You have atoms, molecules, two hydrogen bonding with one oxygen forming a 'stable intermediate form'...water. Water exists in higher complex forms, ie...us. Therefore, it can be stated that it is a stable intermediate form as it can exist without us, but at the same time, can exist within us (within higher complexity).
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clever
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Water...

You have atoms, molecules, two hydrogen bonding with one oxygen forming a 'stable intermediate form'...water. Water exists in higher complex forms, ie...us. Therefore, it can be stated that it is a stable intermediate form as it can exist without us, but at the same time, can exist within us (within higher complexity).


clever
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Thank you... ;)
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It's turtles...

All the way down...

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shit! i thought it was turtles!!


lmao

I was wondering who was going to get that reference! awesome...
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It will be always just out of reach, for the finite mind cannot grasp the infinite. It must be experineced. This is what father has taught me and I have found it to be true.
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OK, I will go back to the beginning...it is all very simple once the concept is recognized...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

A holon is something that is simultaneously a whole and a part.
 Quoting: Sickscent


hi sickscent
whole and part both
under
standing
each other
consciously 'knowing' that are/were always 1???

Buddhi
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1. Reality is not composed of things or processes, but of holons, which are wholes that are simultaneously parts.

2. Holons display four fundamental capacities:
a. self-preservation (agency)
b. self-adaptation (communion)
c. self-transcendence
d. self-dissolution

3. Holons emerge.

4. Holons emerge holarchically.

5. Each holon transcends and includes its predecessors.

6. The lower sets the possibilities of the higher; the higher sets the probabilities of the lower.

7. The number of levels which a hierarchy comprises determines whether it is ‘shallow’ or ‘deep;’ and the number of holons on any given level we shall call its ‘span.’

8. Each successive level of evolution produces greater depth and less span.

9. Destroy any type of holon, and you will destroy all of the holons above it and none of the holons below it.

10. Holarchies co-evolve. The micro is always within the macro (all agency is agency in communion).

11. The micro is in relational exchange with macro at all levels of its depth.

12. Evolution has directionality:
a. increasing complexity.
b. increasing differentiation/integration.
c. increasing organization/structuration.
d. increasing relative autonomy.
e. increasing telos.

 Quoting: Sickscent


beautifully presented.
it is love in existence.
stern,rough and at the same time rich and fulfilling.
thanks.
Buddhi hf
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