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BANG goes the Theory and Other Oddities

 
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BANG goes the Theory and Other Oddities
Mysterious: Dark matter and energy may not exist, according to a report

Scientists have claimed dark matter and energy – the mysterious substances thought to make up 96 per cent of the universe – may not exist, a report yesterday claimed.

The two mysterious materials are believed to power the expansion of the cosmos.

However, if the evidence proves correct, it means the theory used to calculate the structure of the universe may be wrong.

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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Interesting. This could be a rather significant set back.
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Interesting. This could be a rather significant set back.
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Yep. one of the main theories as to 'proving' that the universe is expanding is the red shift...but, the red shift has a different explanation when in the context of the electric nature of the universe.
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[link to www.holoscience.com]

In 1929 Hubble and Humason formulated the apparent redshift-distance relation of galaxies in deep space. In the metaphysics of Einstein, an expanding space seemed like it might explain the observations. But as an observer, Hubble remained more clear-minded. “The assumption that red shifts are not velocity shifts but represent some hitherto unknown principle operating in space between the nebulae leads to a very simple, consistent picture of a universe so vast that the observable region must be regarded as an insignificant sample.”
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[link to www.holoscience.com]

Mathematical theorists eschewed simplicity and commonsense by assuming that the redshift was due to the Doppler effect and employing Einstein’s metaphysics so they could retrocalculate the seeming expansion back to a primordial point, or singularity—which has no physical reality. Score: mathematics-1; physics-0. But there is another simple option, unmentioned by Hubble, that instead of some “unknown principle operating in space between the nebulae” there is an intrinsic electric principle responsible for both the redshift and the faintness of a galaxy or quasar.
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er, excellent news!

Hmm, not sure that is appropriate given the news... :)

nice blog, btw.
"It's an inter-dimensional intrusion into flatland," said the vicar to the choir boy.
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06/18/2010 09:50 AM
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Well back to the drawing board. LOL

There was no Big Bang!

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Well back to the drawing board. LOL

There was no Big Bang!

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Hmm.. so.. just a big sizzling 'dud' after all?

Too funny. keep those fireworks dry!!
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Cba reading it all, what's your opinion OP?
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Nassim Haramein right!
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Cba reading it all, what's your opinion OP?
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I am very convinced this is the case after studying various theories in the Electric Universe models. The EU models make complete sense in comparison to all these other theories that can't even make sense of what 'dark matter/energy' even is...they can't figure out what it is because it is just a mathematical formula with no realation to the actual physical universe.
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Nassim Haramein right!
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Everybody keeps telling me I need to look this guy up...I'll have to do it sometime.
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I always assumed this to be true because it never made any sense. Scientists basically said:
"Since our physics imply the universe is expanding, we need something to explain it so we'll just make it up."

But if I'm reading what you posted correctly, it means 2 things:

1) Red shift no longer is a viable "measuring stick". Which implies...

2) Our assumptions about space body distances are wrong.

If those are true, then doesn't that also mean we have no idea how far away objects really are? I thought red shift was part of the way we measure distance in space.

If I am right, then everything we think we know about space could be incorrect.

But maybe I'm missing something here (I am tired)...
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hi sickscent......notice how MEM has "magicly" changed their description of our sun.....

Spacecraft images reveal the Sun as a rotating, seething fiery ball of electrically charged fluid.

Magnetic fields generated by this constant churning drive the activity cycle of the Sun.

18th June 2010
[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
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oops ...not mem!!!

hi sickscent......notice how MSM has "magicly" changed their description of our sun.....
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I always assumed this to be true because it never made any sense. Scientists basically said:
"Since our physics imply the universe is expanding, we need something to explain it so we'll just make it up."

But if I'm reading what you posted correctly, it means 2 things:

1) Red shift no longer is a viable "measuring stick". Which implies...

2) Our assumptions about space body distances are wrong.

If those are true, then doesn't that also mean we have no idea how far away objects really are? I thought red shift was part of the way we measure distance in space.

If I am right, then everything we think we know about space could be incorrect.

But maybe I'm missing something here (I am tired)...
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And the age of the universe will need to be recalculated as well.
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I always assumed this to be true because it never made any sense. Scientists basically said:
"Since our physics imply the universe is expanding, we need something to explain it so we'll just make it up."

But if I'm reading what you posted correctly, it means 2 things:

1) Red shift no longer is a viable "measuring stick". Which implies...

2) Our assumptions about space body distances are wrong.

If those are true, then doesn't that also mean we have no idea how far away objects really are? I thought red shift was part of the way we measure distance in space.

If I am right, then everything we think we know about space could be incorrect.

But maybe I'm missing something here (I am tired)...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1007303


You are right on track. And that's also what many scientist do...they try to explain these 'unsolvable' mysteries through math formulas and tagging a name to the formula so it gets put in the science journals. They claim that since the math works, then it must be true, even though it does not make sense in physical (real-world) application.
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hi sickscent......notice how MEM has "magicly" changed their description of our sun.....

Spacecraft images reveal the Sun as a rotating, seething fiery ball of electrically charged fluid.

Magnetic fields generated by this constant churning drive the activity cycle of the Sun.

18th June 2010
[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
 Quoting: aether 1000431


They did it! Holy shit aether! It has begun! That is the in-your-face change of termonology that has been strived for...hahahaha
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I always assumed this to be true because it never made any sense. Scientists basically said:
"Since our physics imply the universe is expanding, we need something to explain it so we'll just make it up."

But if I'm reading what you posted correctly, it means 2 things:

1) Red shift no longer is a viable "measuring stick". Which implies...

2) Our assumptions about space body distances are wrong.

If those are true, then doesn't that also mean we have no idea how far away objects really are? I thought red shift was part of the way we measure distance in space.

If I am right, then everything we think we know about space could be incorrect.

But maybe I'm missing something here (I am tired)...

And the age of the universe will need to be recalculated as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 554016


There is no age to the universe...it is eternal. It is the eternal changing dynamic...
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The universe could exist in a steady state, photons just redshift as they get old, loosing energy to the micro-gravity of space. Distance calculations still mostly work, but the redshift is not from a Doppler effect, it's just age. Cosmic background radiation is just very old light from very far away.
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Nassim Haramein right!


Everybody keeps telling me I need to look this guy up...I'll have to do it sometime.
 Quoting: Sickscent


Do! You'll be glad you did.

Re: Big Band, String Theory, etc.- Theories are only theories but they often become accepted as fact... yet, there is some validity in each, and if nothing else, they whet our curiousity, and prompt us to expand and evolve our thinking and understanding.

(Great threads btw- all of them :).
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The universe could exist in a steady state, photons just redshift as they get old, loosing energy to the micro-gravity of space. Distance calculations still mostly work, but the redshift is not from a Doppler effect, it's just age. Cosmic background radiation is just very old light from very far away.
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It is also from the distance involved from other electrical sources...
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spock

Strange how the atheists stay away from this thread now that their center of blasphemy has blown apart.

lmao
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... hiding!!! ... just what are the EXPERTS getting right? ...
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... hiding!!! ... just what are the EXPERTS getting right? ...
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 Quoting: GraftedPromise 1000009


Much of the EXPERTS rely on 'tweaked' mathematics to 'prove' theories, never bothering to actually apply the theories to real world structures. They 'make up' formulas to fit them into other mathematical models to make the math work...instead of starting over...so everything starts getting convoluted and make up shit that doesn't even exist...no proof except their math...
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spock

Strange how the atheists stay away from this thread now that their center of blasphemy has blown apart.

lmao
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hmm
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For all of our calculations of math, our observations, and theories, it still takes more faith to believe what scientists say is true today and yet changes tomorrow than it does in a Creator who does not change.

That's not to say that science is bad at all. I myself like knowing how things work. I want to see the machine in action right down to the smallest part. I like to think that I know why things happen. But I must depend on the 5 terrestrial senses and my limited skills for reasoning to do this. When the page goes blank or is found to be in error, I am left with the inner still undisturbed knowledge that God made me. The Creator made the universe, however He chose to do it.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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...and does this.....

Getting the drop on gravity

Incredibly, Rasel and his team have now licked both problems. They devised a special self-contained canister that can automatically generate a BEC. They then dropped the canister from the 146-metre-high drop tower at the Center of Applied Space Technology and Microgravity in Bremen, Germany.
17th june 2010
[link to www.nature.com]


....remind you of this.....

Replicating the Boyd Bushman Gravitational Experiment

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Those "unseen forces" acting upon particles and energy is time in the form of a purely kinetic structure that HAS NO SPATIAL CHARACTERISTICS as it is coming into the "present" from the future AND then back again out toward the past.

At the instance of "the present" all of infinite kinetic time current converts to absolute static infinite 3D space for an infinitesimal duration.

The time current radiates down and inward "spherically" in a time construct out from infinite expanse.

Once the time current is completed going static and becoming all of infinite 3D space, it inverts back to pure kinetic, with no spatial properties, to become all the past, located at the ONE infinitely kinetic, infinitesimal singularity, another time construct.

The so-called big bang is the constant big roar of all future time turning into the present, as space, then back into past time.

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...if magnetic fields effect gravity.....

...earths magnetic field is......

Earth's Magnetic Field Is Fading!
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..it will effect gravity......

......resousources within earth such as oil...gas....and mines deep underground interacting with those resources...coal as example...would be the first to show signs of "odd behaviour"...

...i wonder....
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... hiding!!! ... just what are the EXPERTS getting right? ...
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Much of the EXPERTS rely on 'tweaked' mathematics to 'prove' theories, never bothering to actually apply the theories to real world structures. They 'make up' formulas to fit them into other mathematical models to make the math work...instead of starting over...so everything starts getting convoluted and make up shit that doesn't even exist...no proof except their math...
 Quoting: Sickscent


Like E=MC^2....biggest BS of all time....

E = MC^2 is just PI in disguise.... A = PR^2

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