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WIKILEAKS: Soldier Describes Illegal Orders to Kill Civilians by Unit Commander

 
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So killing civilians is one thing, but what about insurgents? OP, I noticed you say that you were in the forces, so I am curious to hear your opinion on the case in this thread hf

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There are no insurgents, only people fighting to free their country from an illegal occupation.
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those who run the military of today............come down my street and you have hell to pay, but no, you'll just send the young ones, cowards. Our military is a disgrace.
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So killing civilians is one thing, but what about insurgents? OP, I noticed you say that you were in the forces, so I am curious to hear your opinion on the case in this thread hf

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I think he did an honorable thing for that enemy soldier. He was suffering a terrible, slow and painful death. I would have done the same thing. To kill with honor is one thing, murder is completely different.
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I died in the military, met God and came back to life not believing a word they said about the military being for 'God & Country.' God is not the 'murderer from the beginning' and the wars are not fought for my country but rather for corporate interests- Fact
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Where does it end?
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It ends when we get rid of the military industrial complex and pass a law that says those that declare war must be the first to serve on the front lines for a tour of duty. You will see a diplomatic solution to everything if that becomes law. If they believe so much that war is the only solution let them show how strong their conviction is. Go give your life for the country, the ultimate sacrifice.
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Where does it end?

It ends when we get rid of the military industrial complex and pass a law that says those that declare war must be the first to serve on the front lines for a tour of duty. You will see a diplomatic solution to everything if that becomes law. If they believe so much that war is the only solution let them show how strong their conviction is. Go give your life for the country, the ultimate sacrifice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1008689



^^^This^^^

Won't happen, they are cowards and so are their kids.....
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Where does it end?


It ends when someone figures out how to do to us, what we're doing to them.


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What goes around, comes around, then goes around, and comes back again.

Repeat for a few thousand years.

Very slow learners, these people.

Very slow.
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We're no better than the people we're supposed to be hating bump.

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I'd frag the juiced-up Lifer who orders this kind of shit before I'd do myself in...

Why can't the troops 'pull the pin' on these war criminals ???
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wow!!! hats off to this man! standing the fuck up for what he believes in... it dont get no REALER then that!
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REALER? WTF is REALER
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wow
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Court martial!
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Keeping this bumped.
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Court martial!
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For the truth telling grunt, maybe.

The commander gets a nice shiny medal for heroism and some new golf clubs.
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Court martial!


For the truth telling grunt, maybe.

The commander gets a nice shiny medal for heroism and some new golf clubs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1008728



The commander is either trying to make Major, full bird colonel or his first star.....he will send his own to their death JUST to have a "cool" story to talk about at the mess tent while he is sucking whomevers dick he thinks may help get that rank.....I saw shit like that for all 7 years I was in.....
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If you have a problem following an unlawful order, and they ask you at your court martial why? Tell the truth, you have a conscience, and you are a compassionate human being who cannot go around killing innocent civilians. If they have a problem with it, then they have to live with the guilt, not you.
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If you have a problem following an unlawful order, and they ask you at your court martial why? Tell the truth, you have a conscience, and you are a compassionate human being who cannot go around killing innocent civilians. If they have a problem with it, then they have to live with the guilt, not you.
 Quoting: hawk8414



Right, their guilty conscience will kill them while your ass goes to Ft. Leavenworth for 5 years.....WHAT A DEAL!
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If you have a problem following an unlawful order, and they ask you at your court martial why? Tell the truth, you have a conscience, and you are a compassionate human being who cannot go around killing innocent civilians. If they have a problem with it, then they have to live with the guilt, not you.



Right, their guilty conscience will kill them while your ass goes to Ft. Leavenworth for 5 years.....WHAT A DEAL!
 Quoting: HEBGB



I'd rather go than live with murder on my conscience. But one poster said the truth, possibly truer than anything else. It is an illegal occupation over there. That's why those people are fighting so hard. They know the real truth but you can bet your ass the public will never know.
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I hope they get to this guy soon and eliminate him.

Our boy`s are at greater risk because of this.
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If you have a problem following an unlawful order, and they ask you at your court martial why? Tell the truth, you have a conscience, and you are a compassionate human being who cannot go around killing innocent civilians. If they have a problem with it, then they have to live with the guilt, not you.



Right, their guilty conscience will kill them while your ass goes to Ft. Leavenworth for 5 years.....WHAT A DEAL!



I'd rather go than live with murder on my conscience. But one poster said the truth, possibly truer than anything else. It is an illegal occupation over there. That's why those people are fighting so hard. They know the real truth but you can bet your ass the public will never know.
 Quoting: hawk8414


I understand the stance you are taking on this, and in most cases I agree. The military is a VERY dangerous place. If a Commander or other higher ranking person thinks you could hurt their career, they may have you killed or, send you to your death on a suicide mission. Make your life aliving hell while they involuntarily extend you for tour after tour.....

Most soldier like the one in the article try to just get along, keep their mouth shut out of fear and "ACT" like they are shooting at targets but missing intentionally. Then hope they get out and never get recalled.....

I just do not think a non military person is capable of undestanding the true depth and breadth of this situation.
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I hope they get to this guy soon and eliminate him.

Our boy`s are at greater risk because of this.
 Quoting: MI6 1008822



I hope you are talking about the commander. If not.......go fuckin rot.
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If you have a problem following an unlawful order, and they ask you at your court martial why? Tell the truth, you have a conscience, and you are a compassionate human being who cannot go around killing innocent civilians. If they have a problem with it, then they have to live with the guilt, not you.



Right, their guilty conscience will kill them while your ass goes to Ft. Leavenworth for 5 years.....WHAT A DEAL!



I'd rather go than live with murder on my conscience. But one poster said the truth, possibly truer than anything else. It is an illegal occupation over there. That's why those people are fighting so hard. They know the real truth but you can bet your ass the public will never know.


I understand the stance you are taking on this, and in most cases I agree. The military is a VERY dangerous place. If a Commander or other higher ranking person thinks you could hurt their career, they may have you killed or, send you to your death on a suicide mission. Make your life aliving hell while they involuntarily extend you for tour after tour.....

Most soldier like the one in the article try to just get along, keep their mouth shut out of fear and "ACT" like they are shooting at targets but missing intentionally. Then hope they get out and never get recalled.....

I just do not think a non military person is capable of undestanding the true depth and breadth of this situation.
 Quoting: HEBGB


I understand far better than you realize. I was married to a marine once who, in my opinion, should never have been allowed into the marines or anywhere else for that matter. he didn't have what it takes to follow orders but he always wanted to be in control. I seriously think it fucked him up.He would scream at me 24/7 like he was a DI in the marines and he never let up. eventually, I got away but even to this day, I have always sworn that he had better not ever come back into my life ever again or else I might just do more than leave. It could wind up bad.
I know guys who will do anything just to stay alive. Its called living by your wits. You learn it from your peers who are in the same shit as you. Play dumb until you get that chance to get out and stay out. But personally, I can't kill another human being unless my life was at stake or someone else's was, such as your own. I have no trouble defending the ones who need me. Be it from a man, woman, child or beast. I have a problem with being ordered to kill someone innocent.
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Where does it end?

It ends when we get rid of the military industrial complex and pass a law that says those that declare war must be the first to serve on the front lines for a tour of duty. You will see a diplomatic solution to everything if that becomes law. If they believe so much that war is the only solution let them show how strong their conviction is. Go give your life for the country, the ultimate sacrifice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1008689


Exactly. We need to bring back the Soviet's criminal brigades. Except instead of political dissidents it will the war profiteers, chicken hawks, politicians, neo cons, bankers, zio nazis and all their adult kids in the frontline. Hand them one old rifle then a suicide charge.

Wheelchair Dick Cheney will be at the head of this charge of the weasel brigade.
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Our boy`s are at greater risk because of this.
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And this fruitcake can push his wheelchair after giving ol dick a sendoff slobber nobber.
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Where does it end?

In self-destruction.
I've heard stories of 'soldiers' that shows what war can do to a human being. Some are orders from the Army and many are the soldier's own fucked up mind/emotions.

It is sad and scary to see what happens to these people and it is pathetic to see americans still glorifying their soldiers (not in person but in shopping sales and memorial days).

As long as we have wars, there is no end.



Soldiers (like myself) joined because they believed it to be an honorable profession. Some, join because they are very poor (like myself).

Then they find out that is not, they cannot quit because (they are told) it will ruin their whole life if they get a DD (Dishonorable Discharge)

It all leads back to greedy governemnts and those who are evil at heart (like the commander in the article)
 Quoting: HEBGB



being a mercenary is not honorable...

killing innocents is not honorable...

the us military is the biggest mafia and killing machine on the planet...

nothing honorable about that
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can we have this pinned? please
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There is no honor in killing for the profit of another or for any profit.

I was in from 88-95. Back then it was all poor farm boys (me) who came from nothing and wanted to have a chance at seeing the world, getting an education and avoiding a factory at all costs. To (me) us that was far worse than going to war. There were also some gang bangers and poor city folks who were eating from dumpsters before they joined.

The racism was RAMPANT, only is was reverse racism. The politics were UNBELIEVABLE.

At one point we were trained like fighting dogs. We would go dig a pit at 4am that was 10X10x8. Then we would draw numbers and get in and fight ALL DAY. That was called training. I took and gave some merciless beatings during those training sessions. Those "training sessions", also planted in your head that you would be killed by your own if you volated "the unwritten code". That was do as your told. Kill when and who you are told. Ask no fucking questions. Make your superiors look as good as possible and SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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I hope they get to this guy soon and eliminate him.

Our boy`s are at greater risk because of this.



I hope you are talking about the commander. If not.......go fuckin rot.
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I`m talking about whomever is releasing this information.
I want him dead.

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