According to the Oldest Gospel, NOBODY saw a Resurrected Jesus

thats shite -

the gospel of mark clearly speaks of Christs meetings ..

nobody saw a resurrected satan though

That´s because it´s a star story. Lots of gods before Jesus were on the cross. It´s the galactic center with a planet conjunction. Duh.

Read Mark 16:14-16 which says:
14Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he rebuked them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those who had seen him after he had risen.

15He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
End of thread, hopefully....!

"“Love God” and “Treat others as you want to be treated”, were revealed to man. These laws REPLACED the 10 Commandments"

It doesn´t replace them it fulfills them.

Is Mark 16 the only place where the Resurrection is mentioned?

"Many of you will point to Mark, Ch 16, verses 9 –20, as authority for witnesses to a resurrected Jesus; however, the problem with these verses, is that Biblical experts agree that these verses are not authentic. They were added long after the ORIGINAL Gospel was penned."

Just in case you missed it truth....


Preach on Rock!!!

Biblical experts?

Well Rock, either Jesus was God or He was a liar.
You choose to believe the latter. It´s a fact that you can´t proove otherwise. So at best you have a fifty fifty chance of being right. But if you are wrong it would be better that you were never born or have a millstone around your neck in some mid-oceanic trench.

Rock Reynolds,

You are a Blasphemer!

REPENT!

Greetings everyone!! This is Rock Reynolds.

I’ll be back tonight to answer everybody who has posted comments.

Meanwhile, it looked as if a number of the early responders are questioning the integrity of my thesis.


I do not claim to be a Bible authority. I have never read an original manuscript. Yet, I rely on the opinion of Bible authorities for a major portion of the theme of this thread.


Here are some links to provide additional information for any who are interested.


Using Firefox, I went to Google, entered “’Gospel of Mark’ ‘missing ending’”. Here are the first 6 hits:



Hit #1

[link to www.geocities.com]
Title: The Missing Ending of the Gospel of Mark, by Christopher Price

First line:
“Almost all scholars, whether conservative or liberal, agree that the ending of Mark common to modern English versions -- Mark 16:9-20 -- was not a part of the original text.”

Middle of page
“A more disputed question than whether verses 9-20 were the original ending to Mark is whether Mark ended at verse 8 or had a longer ending that, for whatever reason, was lost.”

(NOTE: This site claims to be Christian.)



Hits #2 and #3

[link to users2.ev1.net]
Near the bottom of the page
“Excursus: The Missing Ending of Mark
The Gospel of Mark currently ends at 16:8. This ending has always made readers uneasy, and in antiquity there were several attempts to graft an ending onto Mark. These endings are all considered spurious by the scholarly community. Basically, the current ending offers the reader the choice: did the writer mean for the Gospel to end at 16:8, or did the writer supply another one that has gone AWOL somehow?

Evidence from the Patristic fathers indicates that if the ending went AWOL, it did so quite early, for Longer Ending (Mark 16:9-20), found in some Bibles, is known from sometime early in the second half of the second century.”



Hit #4
Course outline from St Joseph’s University

[link to ccat.sas.upenn.edu]
Middle of page, part of syllabus

“Mark
…
- Problem of the missing ending
- Longer and shorter endings
- Where do the resurrection appearances occur?”



Hit #5 – Question on a forum.
[link to lists.ibiblio.org]

“My understanding is that the commonly held view is that the original ending
of Mark has been lost after 16:8. This view espouses the idea that 16:9-20 is
not the original ending, nor did the writer intend to end it at verse 8.”



Hit #6.
This site provided a link titled “Questioning the authenticity of Mark”, which led to the following site:
[link to www.waynecoc.org]
I could not copy and paste, but the theme was essentially the same as the other sites. This site also had links to documents that claimed to be copies of the original manuscripts.



You’re welcome!


Rap wif ya’ tonight.

Rock

Greetings everyone!! This is Rock Reynolds comin´ to you folks in Cyberspace Conspiracy land!



Hi 2084!! Thanx for the comment! You said:
“gospel of mark clearly speaks of Christs meetings .”

2084, according to many Christian sites I’ve visited, all the experts know that the portions of Mark with “Christ’s meetings” are NOT authentic. See my previous post. Of course, you can’t trust them Christians, can you?



Hi 16684!! Thanx for the comment, whatever it means!



Hi Truth Finder!! Thanx for the comment! Check out 820’s response to you.

I’m glad you got a chuckle out of my reference to “Bible experts”. Truth Finder, you may want to track down some 7-year-old who can show you how to use a search engine. I realize now that the “search engine” comment in my opening post, was far beyond your mental capacity.



Hi 79!! Thanx for the comment!

79, let me clarify what I think about Jesus. Jesus was not a liar; however, there are statements in the Bible attributed to Jesus that I am sure Jesus did not say. The entire 24th Chapter of Matthew is an example. But Matthew, Chapter 24, was not a lie by Jesus, it was a lie by Peter, James, and John, three of the most cowardly and devious characters in the New Testament.

On the other hand, the 23rd Chapter of Matthew IS an authentic account of Jesus’ words.



Hi 708!! Thanx for the bump!



Hi Spirit of Truth!! Thanx for the comments. Spirit of Truth, how do you explain Jesus’ negative attitude towards the Old Testament? Specifically,
- Most importantly, why did Jesus tell the man in Matthew, Ch 19, verses 16 – 22, that Moses’ 10 Commandments were INSUFFICIENT to gain him eternal life (Jesus told him he had to give up his money, too.), while in Luke, Ch 10, verses 25-28, Jesus confirmed that an adherence to God’s TWO Commandments, CAN get you eternal life.
- Why did Jesus say that Moses’ 3rd Commandment, Do not take the name of the Lord in vain, “comes from evil”?
- Why did Jesus say that the Leviticus law, “eye for an eye”, is wrong?
- Why did Jesus directly contradict the eating restrictions in Leviticus when he said, “It is not what goes into a man that defiles a man. It is what comes out of a man that defiles a man”?
- Why did Jesus contradict the Old Testament prophesy that Christ will be from the House of David when he said that Christ cannot come from the House of David?
- Why did Jesus directly disobey the directive in Leviticus and Deuteronomy to stone adulterers to death, when he told the sinner woman in John, Chapter 8, “I judge you not.”?



Hi R C 2!! Thanx for the comment! R C 2, did you read the title of this thread? This thread deals with the oldest Gospel, the Gospel of Mark. And yes, Chapter 16 is the only reference in Mark to the Resurrection.



Hi 820!! Thanx for the encouragement! And thanx for addressing Truth Finder for me.



Hi Jeff!! Thanx for checkin’ in. Say Jeff, what is the criteria you use for determination as to whether or not a person is a blasphemer? Is it questioning of scripture? If so, do you consider Jesus to be buring in the lake of eternal torment due to the questioning he did of scripture?



Rap wif ya’ later.

Rock

Rock..
Your down-homey, folksy, and overly familiar manner reeks of falsity and is extremely offensive.
I would tell you to fuck off if approached with your "friendly" attitude.

"Biblical experts agree..."

What Biblical experts?

The Oldest Gospel is Matthew and the Most Authoratative is John, beyond those even Luke of the ´synoptics´ rejoices in the technical critisism where Mark does not.
Look at the cities of the Decapolis reference and it is apparent that Mark wasn´t Galilean or Judean! We know he died in Alexandria and that the Greek Coptic rather than Aramaic was the language.
Hebraisms in the Greek made extant provide windows glimpsing truth and for this it stands, but Mark is no stand alone volume on which to solely resort unless no other witness is present and when it is recognized then at that point;
arriving at Truth is a process of reconsideration to standing correct.
Don´t miss the point, nothing is worth falling short of that, though it is certain we all fail to demonstrate the definition.

If you study up on Marcion, it seems the Gospel of Mark was written by him,
[link to www.christianorigins.com]

the whole history of the Catholic church is so involved and so covered up. It´s hard to find the truth.

I have been CRUCIFIED!!!!

why?

cos what I say is deemed dodgy

it is deemed heretical by some wanker with a means to ´erase´ things

what is the point of me starting a thread or replying to a thread if some asshole is going to delete what you say???

what is the point og hanging out here at godlike

i have neen here 3 yrs

i came back

big fuccking mistake


i feel sorry for those that do no know what the good old days at godlike were like

now, is like a ghetto, and the motherfuckers who bought the site know exactly what i am talking about

"Not only DIDN’T these chicks witness the resurrected Jesus, they kept the whole affair a SECRET. They didn’t even tell anyone that they had SEEN an empty tomb!!"

Except for Mark, I take it.

You´re a retard.

Greetings all!! This is Rock Reynolds comin´ to you folks in Godlike Productions Land!



Hi 5976!! Thanx for the comments! You’re a hoot!

5876, you said: “Your down-homey, folksy, and overly familiar manner reeks of falsity and is extremely offensive.”

Dude!! I feel your pain! What you’re saying, is that the Communists are holding a gun to your head, forcing you to read my thread.

If I’m gonna post on this forum, then I’m gonna enjoy myself. Ex-SQUEEZE me for being alive! Of course, sometimes I forget how important it is to you Christians that you suffer, but then, I seem to be helping your cause!

5976, seriously, you need to lighten up, dude. GLP is only a fuckin’ forum. It’s a GREAT forum, and I love it here, but it is ONLY a forum. No matter what you think of me, my dog will still demand that I play rope with him, my 9-year-old will still demand that I play catch with him, my wife will still demand that I play Big Boggle with her, and I still gotta go to my fuckin’ job.



Hi Apollo 11!! Thanx for the question! See my second post (Hint: search engine, “Gospel of Matthew” “missing ending”, but don’t ask Truth Finder how it works).



Hi Noe~Lot!! Thanx for the comments!

Noe~Lot, have you read BOTH Gospels, Mark and Matthew? And you think that Matthew was written first??? Noe~Lot, I don’t know how on earth you could have arrived at that conclusion if you have read both Gospels, but, if you really beLIEve that Matthew was written first, then there’s no point in you hangin’ around this thread. My arguments ONLY make sense if Mark is the oldest surviving Gospel (which it was, and which anybody who reads both Gospels, SHOULD be able to tell).



Hi 1195!! Thanx for the post! I enjoy your visits. I haven’t checked out that link yet, but I will try to make time. And I absolutely agree that “the whole history of the Catholic church is so involved and so covered up. It´s hard to find the truth.”



Rap wif ya’ later.

Rock

Reynolds you ROCK. Breath of fresh air hon. Keep up the good work you have a fantastic bed side manner.

Jesus IS our God (made flesh).
Repent!

Gee whizzz...

Every time I see this flake posting something, it is ALWAYS something intended to make weak Chrisitans lose faith in Christ.

What a pitiful existence this loser has. He spends his whole life trying his very best NOT to have any faith, while those with a decent level of common sense spend their life strengthening their faith.

He´s more excited about NOT believing, than are those who DO believe!

Yeah... He´s a poor, lost, sin-loving soul, for whom the gospel is BAD news. That´s a given.

But, why does this pinhead try so desperately hard to destroy the faith of others?

Answer:

Because Satan WANTS him to. The Holy Spirit no longer strives with people like him so it is ANOTHER spirit that influences him. One that wishes to decieve as many people out of their faith as possible.

Because Satan is forever lost, he wants to take as many hapless victims with him, and his demonic horde, as possible. Misery loves company.

He doesnt want us to have, what he HAD.




Read 2nd Thessalonians 1:7-10 Rock, old bean...

It´s all about you.

Rock...I gotta admit you have a certain way about you..

thanks for just throwin everything out there for everybody to see..

The witnesses of the languages and contents of all the writings I´ve studied with all consideration but you are as those you follow in error not knowing the Gospel of the Nazarene or Hebrew Matthew, and thinking simpler came before. The earliest Hebrew Alphabet & Iconography is more meaning intensive than the expanded Hebrew of 5,000 words comprising the Biblical epic, So0 it is in the Gospels which the Hebrew(Aramaic) is having more infoinclusive content than the later Greek(Coptic). Remember IT´s in the word(s)!

Mark was easy and obvious as ´the Keep-It-Simple=Stupid´ one, ha, but look closer and it falls without Matthew & Luke, and there´s better yet... John, that´s the interesting one!

I only care enough to respond that I don´t care.

IF Christ has not been Resurrected, then you will die in your sins.

Sin will send you to hell and keep you there for an eternity - Pretty serious stuff sin. That is why there had to be a Price paid, and Jesus paid that awesome price in full!

You want to turn your back on that Truth then that is up to you. I just wanted to let you know what you were getting yourself into and that there WILL be hell to pay.

Belive satan´s lie....

or believe the Gospel Truth:

1 Corinthians 15: (Paul writing)

1Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. 6After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born."

Greetings earthlings!! This is seeker of truth Rock Reynolds, comin´ to you folks in Internet Land!



Hi Ain SophIA!! Thanx for the compliment! Rock Reynolds bashers sure hate to see those, but I really appreciate them.



Hi Jeff!! Welcome again!



Hi Rockhead!! Welcome to this thread!

Rockhead, I DO have faith, but my definition of faith is much different than yours. My faith is based on only two commandments” “Love God” and “Treat others as you want to be treated”. When my friend Jesus said “faith in me”, Jesus was talking EXACTLY about the definition of “faith” that I have listed above.

You, on the other hand, disregard the message of the man you call “savior”, and, instead, adopt a definition of “faith” provided by Jesus’ murderer, Saul. Your definition of “faith” requires you to believe in an impossible event that allegedly occurred almost 2,000 years ago, and that has no relevance to us. Your reason for adopting this “faith”, is your fear of eternal torment (Isn’t that right, Jeff?).

Yes, Rockhead, I AM trying to shake those who have adopted the definition of “faith” provided by Saul, in favor of the definition of “faith” provided by Jesus.

Rockhead, the following Biblical passages reflect the “faith” that I have found in my friend Jesus:
- Love God (Old Testament required followers to FEAR God).
- Love your neighbor.
- God’s ENTIRE law, is derived from these first two commandments.
- Everyone is your neighbor (Parable of the Prodigal Son).
- Judge not, lest ye be judged (“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”).
- Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar’s (This statement from God was NOT an endorsement of government; instead, God was instructing his followers to not fight battles that they could not win.).
- Love your enemy (which I REALLY think that God meant, “Respect your enemy.”).
- It is not what goes into a man that defiles a man, it is what comes out of a man that defiles a man (Jesus was in favor of legalizing pot! Hooray!!!).
- When you pray, go home, go into a closet, shut the door, and pray to your father, who is in secret.
- “Eye for an eye”, is wrong.
- The requirement to make oaths to God, comes from evil.
- The requirement to stone adulterers to death, is wrong.
- Life ain’t fair!! Deal with it!! This axiom was demonstrated in two parables: The Prodigal Son; and the parable of the vineyard worker who labored 12 hours for a denarius, while other workers were paid the same denarius for only one hour’s work.
- Moses’ 10 Commandments can’t gain you eternal life. God sent this message in Matthew, Ch 19, verses 16 – 22, when Jesus told a man who had followed the 10 Commandments, that he had not earned eternal life.
- God’s REAL’ 2 Commandments, CAN gain you eternal life. God demonstrated this axiom in Luke, Ch 10, verses 25-28, when Jesus confirmed that an adherence to God’s TWO Commandments, CAN get you eternal life.

Rockhead, ain’t it frightening that I use quotes from Jesus to define my faith?



Hi Flame!! Thanx for the comments! I’m a believer that the life of Jesus is a lot simpler than what we have been led to believe.



Hi 7808!! Thanx for checkin in!

7808, you said: “those you follow in error…”

You mean like Jesus?

7808, this may be disappointing for you to hear, but I ain’t followin’ nobody. I challenge you to find any other reference that claims:
- Jesus was real (although, admittedly, Jesus was probably not his real name).
- Jesus was not Christ.
- John the Baptist may have been “Jesus”.
- The Resurrection was faked by the Sanhedrin.
- Saul, a member of the Sanhedrin that planned and financed the murder of Jesus, may be the most evil person in the history of mankind.
- The Sanhedrin was the first century Mossad.
- 1 Corinthians, Ch 5, v 5, may be the most evil passage in the history of mankind.
- Matthew is the cover up Gospel. Matthew had to insert LIES in his Gospel to cover up the truth about Jesus.
- The first 9 verses of the oldest surviving Gospel, Mark, proclaim Jesus to be a sinner.
- The ending of the Gospel of Mark was stolen by Mark.
- The Gospel of Mark was not written by Mark; instead, it was written by a committee that was chaired by Mark.
- Half of the “Gospel of Mark” committee (the good half), was slaughtered by the church, when Mark stole the ending to his Gospel. The church couldn’t afford to have any good guys hangin’ around, who knew what the ending really said.

How’s that for starters?

7808, you also said:
“The earliest Hebrew Alphabet & Iconography is more meaning intensive than the expanded Hebrew of 5,000 words comprising the Biblical epic, So0 it is in the Gospels which the Hebrew(Aramaic) is having more infoinclusive content than the later Greek(Coptic).”

7808, I have a simple mind. I have a difficult time understanding that last statement (and I read it 3 times!!!). However, I am a big believer that an understanding of God and the Bible, is designed for simple minds like mine.

The truth and the lies in the Bible are right out in the open for everyone to see. The reason that very few people can differentiate between the truth and the lies, is FEAR. If you ever lose your fear of the Bible, as God commanded you to do, the Bible will take on a whole new meaning.



Hi Noe~Lot!! Thanx for the response!

Noe~Lot, you claim:
“Mark was easy and obvious”

Noe~Lot, I take exception to this claim. The Gospel of Mark may be easy to understand, but Christians find it impossible to ACCEPT. The Gospel of Mark portrays Jesus as a sinner, a man who could make mistakes, and a man who called himself “not good”. Christians ALWAYS reference the later Gospels when faced with these difficult (for them, not for me) concepts.

Furthermore, Noe~Lot, I claim that Mark has much more authority than any of the other 4 Gospels. It was FIRST! Mark is the smoking gun of the Gospels. Matthew and Luke COPIED from Mark. Whenever there is a difference between Mark and the other Gospels, I always opt for the Mark version.

John, the latest of the Canonical Gospels, portrays a Jesus that is totally unlike the Jesus in any of the other three Gospels. For instance, in the Gospel of John, Jesus mentions himself quite often. In the other Gospels, Jesus rarely mentions himself.

I have rejected the entire Gospel of John, except for Chapter 8, which was not written by John.



Hi 7415!! Thanx for the comment! 7415, with circular logic/doubletalk like yours, you will make an excellent Christian.



Hi Believer in Christ!! Thanx for the input!

Yes, Believer, I have indeed turned by back on Saul, the murderer of my friend, Jesus, who instructs his followers to drink Jesus’ blood, eat Jesus’ flesh, worship the murder weapon of Jesus (the cross), and call the day of Jesus’ murder “good”.

You see, Believer, I don’t accept a “dead in my sins” explanation from an asshole like Saul, who instructed his church members to “destroy the flesh” of one of their members (1 Corinthians, Ch 5, verse 5).

Instead, I choose to follow the words of my friend Jesus, who told me that a belief in the Resurrection is NOT REQUIRED to inherit eternal life. My friend Jesus told me that the ONLY requirements for eternal life, are that I follow God’s TWO commandments (Luke, Ch 10, verses 25-28).

If you want to hand your soul over to Jesus’ murderer, I’m not going to stop you, but I think it’s a shame.



Rap wif ya’ later.

Rock

Satan shall confuse the weak, and strengthin
the the saved.

Hi 9615!! Good one! I´m stealin´ that!



Rap wif ya´ later.

Rock