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thought id just post this link over here from the breif case thread, in case it gets deleted. its about an incident with [link to www.newyorker.com] a spy plane eves dropping near china that gets taken by the chinese and the intel and tech that ends up in chinese hands. many thanks to the a/c who posted.
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Dead coral found near BP well site
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Scientists use underwater cameras to film stricken coral colonies seven miles from the Gulf of Mexico wellhead. Samples will be analyzed for evidence of hydrocarbons and chemical oil dispersants.

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Coral, with attached brittle starfish, seen several miles from the site of the blown-out oil well in the Gulf of Mexico is apparently covered with brown material. (Associated Press)
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A colony of hard coral at a depth of more than 4,000 feet was sloughing off tissue and producing mucus, while a nearby community of soft corals had extensive bare areas. A type of starfish associated with the coral was also in bad shape.
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But when the ship crew focused underwater cameras on colonies seven miles southwest of the BP leak, images of stricken corals, covered with a brown substance, popped up on the screen.
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Fisher said the lab results may not be conclusive. "A plume of toxic dispersant or oil blowing through this community could have caused damage that resulted in the slow death of the corals without leaving any trace on the seafloor near the corals," he said. "No one even knows if dispersant accumulates in the tissues that it kills."
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-Arctic waters open for "cautious" leasing after 2012
December 1, 2010
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The proposal has been greeted with cheers by many in Alaska who've been waiting to move into the new offshore frontier of the Far North, but conservationists warned that more studies should have been done before including the Arctic in the administration's 2012-17 Outer Continental Shelf leasing plan.

“It is disturbing that Interior proposes to evaluate including the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas in the 2012-2017 five-year plan, despite a severe lack of information and an inability to clean up oil spills in Arctic conditions,” a coalition of the nation’s biggest environmental organizations said in a statement.

“We will proceed with utmost caution,” Salazar said, adding that “cautious, limited exploratory activities” can help improve scientific understanding of the remote, little-known region. He said no new leases would be offered before 2013, and even then, they would proceed only after comprehensive studies of environmental impacts and oil spill cleanup capabilities.

In one of the most closely watched developments, Officials also said they were proceeding with a final environmental assessment for Shell Oil’s proposal to drill at least one exploratory well in the Beaufort Sea as early as next summer, which would be the first substantial new drilling in U.S. Arctic waters in many years.

That announcement was applauded by Shell, whose more ambitious program to drill several wells in both the Beaufort and Chukchi seas has been held up in the courts by conservation and Native Alaska groups concerned that oil operations in one of the world’s most fragile environments could lead to disaster.


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The Arctic has been one of the most important battlegrounds for future new domestic oil development. On one hand, it contains what the U.S. Geological Survey has described as possibly the “largest unexplored prospective area for petroleum remaining on Earth.”

Yet the risks of an oil spill in its icy, often-stormy waters are formidable, and conservationists are concerned that taking areas of the Atlantic, Pacific and eastern Gulf of Mexico off the table will lead the oil industry inevitably northward.

There is now more pressure on the Arctic Ocean,” said Marilyn Heiman, director of the U.S. Arctic program for the Pew Environment Group, which along with other groups has called for more study of how the cleanup technologies that worked only partially in the Gulf of Mexico can be brought to bear in a frozen region that is 1,000 miles from the nearest Coast Guard base.

“I think the question is, what is the pace at which they will do it, and where. The decision about if, when and where to hold these lease sales will be key,” she said.
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Goodnight all

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Goodnight all

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The number of the beast.. or how to sell an actuary ..

[link to www.youtube.com]

I know I'm way out of your league here but this 3 part video is the stuff you find just under a rock.
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Who is buyihg the bond with an actuary as collateral, and is that bond government-backed?

I appreciate the link to the video. Is there a connection to the discussion on this thread?
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thought id just post this link over here from the breif case thread, in case it gets deleted. its about an incident with [link to www.newyorker.com] a spy plane eves dropping near china that gets taken by the chinese and the intel and tech that ends up in chinese hands. many thanks to the a/c who posted.
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At the time of this incident, there were questions about whether the Aries II had been 'delivered' to the Chinese.


"On April 1, 2001, an American EP-3E Aries II reconnaissance plane on an eavesdropping mission collided with a Chinese interceptor jet over the South China Sea, triggering the first international crisis of George W. Bush’s Administration. The Chinese jet crashed, and its pilot was killed, but the pilot of the American aircraft, Navy Lieutenant Shane Osborn, managed to make an emergency landing at a Chinese F-8 fighter base on Hainan Island, fifteen miles from the mainland."
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The number of the beast.. or how to sell an actuary ..

[link to www.youtube.com]

I know I'm way out of your league here but this 3 part video is the stuff you find just under a rock.



Who is buyihg the bond with an actuary as collateral, and is that bond government-backed?

I appreciate the link to the video. Is there a connection to the discussion on this thread?
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Daaayum! Can you say corporate??
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The number of the beast.. or how to sell an actuary ..

[link to www.youtube.com]

I know I'm way out of your league here but this 3 part video is the stuff you find just under a rock.



Who is buyihg the bond with an actuary as collateral, and is that bond government-backed?

I appreciate the link to the video. Is there a connection to the discussion on this thread?


Daaayum! Can you say corporate??
xmas
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I call them "corp o'rats"
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The number of the beast.. or how to sell an actuary ..

[link to www.youtube.com]

I know I'm way out of your league here but this 3 part video is the stuff you find just under a rock.



Who is buyihg the bond with an actuary as collateral, and is that bond government-backed?

I appreciate the link to the video. Is there a connection to the discussion on this thread?


Daaayum! Can you say corporate??
xmas



I call them "corp o'rats"
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And I call them corporate whores, hence the ho ho ho.
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@Krispy - 8th Dec.
"One thing leads to an other think ... ;)

Saw this article:
-Origin commences drilling Offshore Tasmania......"


When I was in Tassie a couple of years back, I had this vision, here it is....


Tasmania is an island, part of Australia, off the South-East corner of the main landmass. Tasmania had been part of Australia, connected by a land bridge, which allowed the plants and animals to cross between them. According to conventional science, this land bridge broke up several millions of years ago, and since then, the plants and animals have evolved independently.

This idea has some anomalies – firstly, the Aborigines inhabited the island in the past 10,000 years or so, yet the dingo never went over (did the dingo arrive in Australia after the current Aboriginal peoples?). I have some more insights on this shortly..

The island is small, with windy roads and large hills and mountains. In the south, there are several deep rivers, with steep hills on both sides – almost like fiords. The central part is a large valley, running north-south, and is sheltered by the mountains on both sides. There is much evidence in the rocks of violent upheavals, layers of rock poking up at all angles, and places where volcanic rocks overlay sedimentary rocks such as limestone.

On looking at the country, I get the feeling that the twisting and upturning of the rocks is a lot more recent than the millions of years quoted by the ‘experts’. There is erosion, but considering the weather and rainfall, I feel that the rocks have only been showing some thousands of years at the most. One can see lumps breaking off all the time, measurable erosion of centimetres each year, so if the rocks had been there for millions of years, there would be nothing left by now.

And now my ‘feelings…’

The whole time I was there, I was uncomfortable – I kept feeling ‘bad’ feelings. I kept sensing in many places that bad things had happened there – murders, slavery, pain, the lot. Also, the land itself was in pain – the people there had stripped most of the trees off the land, even on very steep slopes, and in many places, the land had been ripped up and abused, raped.

I felt the bad feelings particularly in the south of the island, everywhere I went. There were many different ‘messages’, including beatings and floggings, murders, murders for pleasure, extreme hard work, all sorts of bad things had happened. These things had happened to both the white people, (even going beyond the convicts), and to the native (Aboriginal) peoples, (who were exterminated by the whites – total genocide).

I felt the land telling me that it was soon going to cleanse itself – wash away the pain and hurt – remove the bad Karma. The southern part of Tasmania has many deep rivers cutting into the land – almost like fiords, and I sensed that if there was ever a tsunami, there would be massive waves of water rush up each of these rivers, including the Derwent river into Hobart. A big change is coming to that land, and I think it will be very soon…

The final revelation came to me when I was at Campbell Town – stayed the night there, and in the morning I had a ‘waking dream’, where I was shown the history of the place. The dream was given to me by the ‘old people’, or ‘Gardeners’ as they preferred to call themselves – the original inhabitants of Australia.

They showed me that they had been in Australia for a very long time, tending the land and the plants of the country. There had been ‘Earth-changes’, but not enough to do great damage to their culture. About 12,000 years ago, Tasmania started to separate from the mainland, leaving a chain of islands – a kind of land bridge. It was also about this time that the current race that we know as the ‘Australian Aborigines’ arrived on the mainland.

The Aborigines were a lot more warlike, and quickly displaced the Gardeners from their land, and in most cases either wiped them out, or pushed them further south – onto Tasmania. The Aborigines had also brought with them their dog – the present-day ‘Dingo’, and a few other animals. They were basically hunter-gatherers, who did not understand the Gardeners concept of ‘land-care’, but rather used fire to control their environment. To be fair, there were climate changes, partly through earth changes, and partly as the Aborigines changed the landscape with their fires.

So, by a few thousand years ago, the Gardeners had disappeared from the mainland, and their remnants had all concentrated on Tasmania, which, with its wet climate, was able to easily support a large population, using their methods of food production (they were basically vegetarian) through a form of permaculture.

Something then triggered the mainland Aborigines to want to go to Tasmania, so they got together many men (but only a few women) from many tribes, and assembled them into a large ‘army’. This seems to have been some sort of ‘religious crusade’, though I wasn’t shown how it was organised. This army then ‘island-hopped’ the slowly widening straight (although one could always see the next island) to Tasmania.

The Aboriginal army then set about clearing the country of the Gardeners. Near Campbell Town, a large group of Gardeners were herded together and ritually slaughtered. This occurred in several other places as well. Very few Gardeners survived – just a few women and children, but they were soon assimilated into the Aboriginal gene-pool, with very little of their knowledge or stories surviving the occupation. The land that they had tended soon fell into a state of chaos, and with the Aboriginal fire methods, most of the food supplies vanished.

Following the massacres and the dark energies released, there were more earth-changes, with many of the islands between Tasmania and the mainland going under water. The Aborigines on Tasmania were soon starving, and in a desperate state. They had no way to return to their mainland tribes, and there were very few women with them. There was much war and murder, and many cases of cannibalism amongst the survivors, but gradually, the population stabilised, as they learnt the new country and what it could provide them by their methods.

Since the surviving Aboriginal genetics, social mores and living affinity with the land were so poor – they had lost so much, they in turn were easily displaced and exterminated on the arrival of the white settlers. The peoples who claim to be Tasmanian Aborigines are only a shell of their ancestors, who in turn have so much blood on their hands – thereby reaping so much Karma on themselves. Soon, I was told, the land itself will turn – it is straining under the pain of all that blood – and cleanses itself – wiping the slate and starting again from new.

The spirits of the Gardeners asked me to help them – to find someone, preferably a woman, to come while there was still time, to listen to them and to write their history. They said that they will give many stories, about the land, of how it was, and of how they were able to make it into a very productive food garden. This is a way to purge the past hurts – to help bring in the new light to the world, so once again we live in a garden, without hurt and pain.


hf
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...well, I hope not.
Going there soon, and know many people living there.
I have never had that feeling, a part from Port Arthur,
which is obvious.

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@Krispy - 8th Dec.
"One thing leads to an other think ... ;)

Saw this article:
-Origin commences drilling Offshore Tasmania......"


When I was in Tassie a couple of years back, I had this vision, here it is....


Tasmania is an island, part of Australia, off the South-East corner of the main landmass. Tasmania had been part of Australia, connected by a land bridge, which allowed the plants and animals to cross between them. According to conventional science, this land bridge broke up several millions of years ago, and since then, the plants and animals have evolved independently.

This idea has some anomalies – firstly, the Aborigines inhabited the island in the past 10,000 years or so, yet the dingo never went over (did the dingo arrive in Australia after the current Aboriginal peoples?). I have some more insights on this shortly..

The island is small, with windy roads and large hills and mountains. In the south, there are several deep rivers, with steep hills on both sides – almost like fiords. The central part is a large valley, running north-south, and is sheltered by the mountains on both sides. There is much evidence in the rocks of violent upheavals, layers of rock poking up at all angles, and places where volcanic rocks overlay sedimentary rocks such as limestone.

On looking at the country, I get the feeling that the twisting and upturning of the rocks is a lot more recent than the millions of years quoted by the ‘experts’. There is erosion, but considering the weather and rainfall, I feel that the rocks have only been showing some thousands of years at the most. One can see lumps breaking off all the time, measurable erosion of centimetres each year, so if the rocks had been there for millions of years, there would be nothing left by now.

And now my ‘feelings…’

The whole time I was there, I was uncomfortable – I kept feeling ‘bad’ feelings. I kept sensing in many places that bad things had happened there – murders, slavery, pain, the lot. Also, the land itself was in pain – the people there had stripped most of the trees off the land, even on very steep slopes, and in many places, the land had been ripped up and abused, raped.

I felt the bad feelings particularly in the south of the island, everywhere I went. There were many different ‘messages’, including beatings and floggings, murders, murders for pleasure, extreme hard work, all sorts of bad things had happened. These things had happened to both the white people, (even going beyond the convicts), and to the native (Aboriginal) peoples, (who were exterminated by the whites – total genocide).

I felt the land telling me that it was soon going to cleanse itself – wash away the pain and hurt – remove the bad Karma. The southern part of Tasmania has many deep rivers cutting into the land – almost like fiords, and I sensed that if there was ever a tsunami, there would be massive waves of water rush up each of these rivers, including the Derwent river into Hobart. A big change is coming to that land, and I think it will be very soon…

The final revelation came to me when I was at Campbell Town – stayed the night there, and in the morning I had a ‘waking dream’, where I was shown the history of the place. The dream was given to me by the ‘old people’, or ‘Gardeners’ as they preferred to call themselves – the original inhabitants of Australia.

They showed me that they had been in Australia for a very long time, tending the land and the plants of the country. There had been ‘Earth-changes’, but not enough to do great damage to their culture. About 12,000 years ago, Tasmania started to separate from the mainland, leaving a chain of islands – a kind of land bridge. It was also about this time that the current race that we know as the ‘Australian Aborigines’ arrived on the mainland.

The Aborigines were a lot more warlike, and quickly displaced the Gardeners from their land, and in most cases either wiped them out, or pushed them further south – onto Tasmania. The Aborigines had also brought with them their dog – the present-day ‘Dingo’, and a few other animals. They were basically hunter-gatherers, who did not understand the Gardeners concept of ‘land-care’, but rather used fire to control their environment. To be fair, there were climate changes, partly through earth changes, and partly as the Aborigines changed the landscape with their fires.

So, by a few thousand years ago, the Gardeners had disappeared from the mainland, and their remnants had all concentrated on Tasmania, which, with its wet climate, was able to easily support a large population, using their methods of food production (they were basically vegetarian) through a form of permaculture.

Something then triggered the mainland Aborigines to want to go to Tasmania, so they got together many men (but only a few women) from many tribes, and assembled them into a large ‘army’. This seems to have been some sort of ‘religious crusade’, though I wasn’t shown how it was organised. This army then ‘island-hopped’ the slowly widening straight (although one could always see the next island) to Tasmania.

The Aboriginal army then set about clearing the country of the Gardeners. Near Campbell Town, a large group of Gardeners were herded together and ritually slaughtered. This occurred in several other places as well. Very few Gardeners survived – just a few women and children, but they were soon assimilated into the Aboriginal gene-pool, with very little of their knowledge or stories surviving the occupation. The land that they had tended soon fell into a state of chaos, and with the Aboriginal fire methods, most of the food supplies vanished.

Following the massacres and the dark energies released, there were more earth-changes, with many of the islands between Tasmania and the mainland going under water. The Aborigines on Tasmania were soon starving, and in a desperate state. They had no way to return to their mainland tribes, and there were very few women with them. There was much war and murder, and many cases of cannibalism amongst the survivors, but gradually, the population stabilised, as they learnt the new country and what it could provide them by their methods.

Since the surviving Aboriginal genetics, social mores and living affinity with the land were so poor – they had lost so much, they in turn were easily displaced and exterminated on the arrival of the white settlers. The peoples who claim to be Tasmanian Aborigines are only a shell of their ancestors, who in turn have so much blood on their hands – thereby reaping so much Karma on themselves. Soon, I was told, the land itself will turn – it is straining under the pain of all that blood – and cleanses itself – wiping the slate and starting again from new.

The spirits of the Gardeners asked me to help them – to find someone, preferably a woman, to come while there was still time, to listen to them and to write their history. They said that they will give many stories, about the land, of how it was, and of how they were able to make it into a very productive food garden. This is a way to purge the past hurts – to help bring in the new light to the world, so once again we live in a garden, without hurt and pain.


hf
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Well, I hope you find that woman soon!
I can totally relate to what you felt from the land. I lived on some land that had just that feeling for about a year. It's a hard thing with which to live. I cried a lot and prayed more. The terrible irony was that the property itself was gorgeous, and the wildlife abundant.
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Q&A from our friends at BP--> [link to www.bp.com]
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When I was in Tassie a couple of years back, I had this vision, here it is....

Tasmania is an island, part of Australia, off the South-East corner of the main landmass. Tasmania had been part of Australia, connected by a land bridge, which allowed the plants and animals to cross between them. According to conventional science, this land bridge broke up several millions of years ago, and since then, the plants and animals have evolved independently.

SNIP

The spirits of the Gardeners asked me to help them – to find someone, preferably a woman, to come while there was still time, to listen to them and to write their history. They said that they will give many stories, about the land, of how it was, and of how they were able to make it into a very productive food garden. This is a way to purge the past hurts – to help bring in the new light to the world, so once again we live in a garden, without hurt and pain.

hf
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Hi E-W, mate whilst I have never had thoughts about Tassy like that, my partner has for Japan. I've been there, even to Hiroshima, and whilst I felt uncomfortable at Hiroshima (and Nagasaki) I dint feel...like you describe.

My partner however, had so many vivid dreams about going there before it vanished in to the sea. Mostly along the lines of it would be a pity for you NOT to see your heritage before it is permanently gone. She is NOT Japanese.
It's all about the 'vibe'
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No surprise there. Can't much blame them. Bummer.
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Follow the money...if there's "no oil," damages can be denied.

Truly a sad state of affairs.
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THE Department of Energy (DOE) has postponed this month's bidding for oil and gas contracts pending the resolution of government's stand on corporate taxes meted on exploration and development firms. Energy Secretary Jose Rene Almendras said the agency canceled the bidding for petroleum contracts until it addresses the Commission on Audit's (COA) concerns on taxes.

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Lawmakers in the U.S. House of Representatives have proposed to lengthen the amount of time federal offshore drilling regulators have to review oil exploration plans.

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@Krispy - 8th Dec.
"One thing leads to an other think ... ;)

Saw this article:
-Origin commences drilling Offshore Tasmania......"


When I was in Tassie a couple of years back, I had this vision, here it is....


Tasmania is an island, part of Australia, off the South-East corner of the main landmass. Tasmania had been part of Australia, connected by a land bridge, which allowed the plants and animals to cross between them. According to conventional science, this land bridge broke up several millions of years ago, and since then, the plants and animals have evolved independently.

This idea has some anomalies – firstly, the Aborigines inhabited the island in the past 10,000 years or so, yet the dingo never went over (did the dingo arrive in Australia after the current Aboriginal peoples?). I have some more insights on this shortly..

The island is small, with windy roads and large hills and mountains. In the south, there are several deep rivers, with steep hills on both sides – almost like fiords. The central part is a large valley, running north-south, and is sheltered by the mountains on both sides. There is much evidence in the rocks of violent upheavals, layers of rock poking up at all angles, and places where volcanic rocks overlay sedimentary rocks such as limestone.

On looking at the country, I get the feeling that the twisting and upturning of the rocks is a lot more recent than the millions of years quoted by the ‘experts’. There is erosion, but considering the weather and rainfall, I feel that the rocks have only been showing some thousands of years at the most. One can see lumps breaking off all the time, measurable erosion of centimetres each year, so if the rocks had been there for millions of years, there would be nothing left by now.

And now my ‘feelings…’

The whole time I was there, I was uncomfortable – I kept feeling ‘bad’ feelings. I kept sensing in many places that bad things had happened there – murders, slavery, pain, the lot. Also, the land itself was in pain – the people there had stripped most of the trees off the land, even on very steep slopes, and in many places, the land had been ripped up and abused, raped.

I felt the bad feelings particularly in the south of the island, everywhere I went. There were many different ‘messages’, including beatings and floggings, murders, murders for pleasure, extreme hard work, all sorts of bad things had happened. These things had happened to both the white people, (even going beyond the convicts), and to the native (Aboriginal) peoples, (who were exterminated by the whites – total genocide).

I felt the land telling me that it was soon going to cleanse itself – wash away the pain and hurt – remove the bad Karma. The southern part of Tasmania has many deep rivers cutting into the land – almost like fiords, and I sensed that if there was ever a tsunami, there would be massive waves of water rush up each of these rivers, including the Derwent river into Hobart. A big change is coming to that land, and I think it will be very soon…

The final revelation came to me when I was at Campbell Town – stayed the night there, and in the morning I had a ‘waking dream’, where I was shown the history of the place. The dream was given to me by the ‘old people’, or ‘Gardeners’ as they preferred to call themselves – the original inhabitants of Australia.

They showed me that they had been in Australia for a very long time, tending the land and the plants of the country. There had been ‘Earth-changes’, but not enough to do great damage to their culture. About 12,000 years ago, Tasmania started to separate from the mainland, leaving a chain of islands – a kind of land bridge. It was also about this time that the current race that we know as the ‘Australian Aborigines’ arrived on the mainland.

The Aborigines were a lot more warlike, and quickly displaced the Gardeners from their land, and in most cases either wiped them out, or pushed them further south – onto Tasmania. The Aborigines had also brought with them their dog – the present-day ‘Dingo’, and a few other animals. They were basically hunter-gatherers, who did not understand the Gardeners concept of ‘land-care’, but rather used fire to control their environment. To be fair, there were climate changes, partly through earth changes, and partly as the Aborigines changed the landscape with their fires.

So, by a few thousand years ago, the Gardeners had disappeared from the mainland, and their remnants had all concentrated on Tasmania, which, with its wet climate, was able to easily support a large population, using their methods of food production (they were basically vegetarian) through a form of permaculture.

Something then triggered the mainland Aborigines to want to go to Tasmania, so they got together many men (but only a few women) from many tribes, and assembled them into a large ‘army’. This seems to have been some sort of ‘religious crusade’, though I wasn’t shown how it was organised. This army then ‘island-hopped’ the slowly widening straight (although one could always see the next island) to Tasmania.

The Aboriginal army then set about clearing the country of the Gardeners. Near Campbell Town, a large group of Gardeners were herded together and ritually slaughtered. This occurred in several other places as well. Very few Gardeners survived – just a few women and children, but they were soon assimilated into the Aboriginal gene-pool, with very little of their knowledge or stories surviving the occupation. The land that they had tended soon fell into a state of chaos, and with the Aboriginal fire methods, most of the food supplies vanished.

Following the massacres and the dark energies released, there were more earth-changes, with many of the islands between Tasmania and the mainland going under water. The Aborigines on Tasmania were soon starving, and in a desperate state. They had no way to return to their mainland tribes, and there were very few women with them. There was much war and murder, and many cases of cannibalism amongst the survivors, but gradually, the population stabilised, as they learnt the new country and what it could provide them by their methods.

Since the surviving Aboriginal genetics, social mores and living affinity with the land were so poor – they had lost so much, they in turn were easily displaced and exterminated on the arrival of the white settlers. The peoples who claim to be Tasmanian Aborigines are only a shell of their ancestors, who in turn have so much blood on their hands – thereby reaping so much Karma on themselves. Soon, I was told, the land itself will turn – it is straining under the pain of all that blood – and cleanses itself – wiping the slate and starting again from new.

The spirits of the Gardeners asked me to help them – to find someone, preferably a woman, to come while there was still time, to listen to them and to write their history. They said that they will give many stories, about the land, of how it was, and of how they were able to make it into a very productive food garden. This is a way to purge the past hurts – to help bring in the new light to the world, so once again we live in a garden, without hurt and pain.


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tesselate

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Hi ya Rastus, Hope all is well with you.


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yeah nothin a bit of salt on a bird's tail and a Hound from Heaven wont fix...and hopefully you and your are good...
May I take this opportunity to invoke the Fullest Most High Protection over us all, our families...we do know that they target those close..and we claim the Hammer of Thor, th ePencil of Raphael, and teh Chisel of Algardi...

yeah oh yea and verily..oh yes, and St Peter, and Mary Mckillop...she hates a bully...
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(I Posted this in that China thread from yesterday, perhaps it helps)

Hmm did I mention the "electric plasma phenomenon " around the sub at that time?

Wait, let me check ... oh yeah I did and it was somehow overlooked by everyone asking where the energy goes. I Thought it was a clear hint. Anyway I guess you have to be a true BEZERK'ER to grasp what is going on.

And yes Housdad, to run the biggest antennae array on the planet, hmm like the under the Great wall of China, you kind of need to get your energy from somewhere else......

Viva Bezerkers!


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<Snip-o-big>Yes I said 2016, so this throws a spanner in the works of the 2012 Mayan timeline, however more and more researches are coming forward to verbalize their opinion that our Gregorian calendar is at least out with 5 years to the Mayan calendar. (This deserves a whole thread on its own which I will start at a later date when time permits)
<Snip-o-big>


Just before you move onto the thread re:Mayan calender, please jot down my question here!

Is the difference caused by those newly discovered 1200 or so Mayan characters at the beginning of 2010?

The Japanese anthropologist was saying that this discovery would change the picture of Mayan calender and cultural understanding then. (It was broadcasted on NHK TV on 2nd&3rd Jan 2010 in Japan, and at that time the anthropologist said, "they were just discovered".)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1188390

If I was a betting man I would say you just connected one massive dot. Great post AC 1188390. (Take note that there was concerted effort made to debunk the Japanese finding/discovery)

So my answer is yes, however our Chinese friends discovered those extra characters before the Japanese, around 2006 if memory serves me correctly. They also realized that when adding/overlaying characters a totally new image/picture character appeared, thus creating a totally different interpretation/story board from what most believe the Mayan calendar says.
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THE Department of Energy (DOE) has postponed this month's bidding for oil and gas contracts pending the resolution of government's stand on corporate taxes meted on exploration and development firms. Energy Secretary Jose Rene Almendras said the agency canceled the bidding for petroleum contracts until it addresses the Commission on Audit's (COA) concerns on taxes.

[link to www.rigzone.com]


Lawmakers in the U.S. House of Representatives have proposed to lengthen the amount of time federal offshore drilling regulators have to review oil exploration plans.

[link to www.rigzone.com]
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It's either this or hire more rig inspectors. Right now, inspectors have a 100/day caseload. There aren't enough hours in the day to meet that need.
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(I Posted this in that China thread from yesterday, perhaps it helps)

Hmm did I mention the "electric plasma phenomenon " around the sub at that time?

Wait, let me check ... oh yeah I did and it was somehow overlooked by everyone asking where the energy goes. I Thought it was a clear hint. Anyway I guess you have to be a true BEZERK'ER to grasp what is going on.

And yes Housdad, to run the biggest antennae array on the planet, hmm like the under the Great wall of China, you kind of need to get your energy from somewhere else......

Viva Bezerkers!


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<Snip-o-big>Yes I said 2016, so this throws a spanner in the works of the 2012 Mayan timeline, however more and more researches are coming forward to verbalize their opinion that our Gregorian calendar is at least out with 5 years to the Mayan calendar. (This deserves a whole thread on its own which I will start at a later date when time permits)
<Snip-o-big>


Just before you move onto the thread re:Mayan calender, please jot down my question here!

Is the difference caused by those newly discovered 1200 or so Mayan characters at the beginning of 2010?

The Japanese anthropologist was saying that this discovery would change the picture of Mayan calender and cultural understanding then. (It was broadcasted on NHK TV on 2nd&3rd Jan 2010 in Japan, and at that time the anthropologist said, "they were just discovered".)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1188390

If I was a betting man I would say you just connected one massive dot. Great post AC 1188390. (Take note that there was concerted effort made to debunk the Japanese finding/discovery)

So my answer is yes, however our Chinese friends discovered those extra characters before the Japanese, around 2006 if memory serves me correctly. They also realized that when adding/overlaying characters a totally new image/picture character appeared, thus creating a totally different interpretation/story board from what most believe the Mayan calendar says.
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NOW THAT'S INTERESTING!
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@ Rastus/Flaming Sword, 9th.

That photo looks like the Tesselated pavement in Pirate's Bay, near Port Arthur, Tassie..

anyway,

Yes, you can use the article, if it will help anyone.

I should post it as well to my 2012 blog site [link to www.2012isthefuture.com] where I am trying to get a bit of stuff on 2012 for the sheeple.

Cheers & Beers

hf
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Q&A from our friends at BP--> [link to www.bp.com]
They will restore the Gulf it says here...
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Did you see the other article on that page?

They are using satellites to monitor what's happening under ground. Okay, so it say over time they are able to tell. I still believe the are on top of every drilling site they invest into.

They know exactly what they are drilling into.

[link to www.bp.com]

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@ Rastus/Flaming Sword, 9th.

That photo looks like the Tesselated pavement in Pirate's Bay, near Port Arthur, Tassie..

anyway,

Yes, you can use the article, if it will help anyone.

I should post it as well to my 2012 blog site [link to www.2012isthefuture.com] where I am trying to get a bit of stuff on 2012 for the sheeple.

Cheers & Beers

hf
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hey bro..it is...the exact place

sorta speaks to high magick..to my suspicious lil mind...
1933circa I'd say....

could be wrong


ya got cube rock..ya got mounds...
all we need is an egyptian King...

*walks like an egyptian*

only jiving...
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thanks Eagles wings...fly well!!
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......

Just before you move onto the thread re:Mayan calender, please jot down my question here!

Is the difference caused by those newly discovered 1200 or so Mayan characters at the beginning of 2010?

The Japanese anthropologist was saying that this discovery would change the picture of Mayan calender and cultural understanding then. (It was broadcasted on NHK TV on 2nd&3rd Jan 2010 in Japan, and at that time the anthropologist said, "they were just discovered".)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1188390

If I was a betting man I would say you just connected one massive dot. Great post AC 1188390. (Take note that there was concerted effort made to debunk the Japanese finding/discovery)

So my answer is yes, however our Chinese friends discovered those extra characters before the Japanese, around 2006 if memory serves me correctly. They also realized that when adding/overlaying characters a totally new image/picture character appeared, thus creating a totally different interpretation/story board from what most believe the Mayan calendar says.

NOW THAT'S INTERESTING!
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Anyone have a link to the overlay, or can suggest a few key words to G oole to find it?

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