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Something Just Went BEZERK in the Gulf of Mexico. The US Navy just sunk a French Submarine

 
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A reverse EMP. now that would really have to suck. lol


giggle it nothing shows up. I guess it new technology rken
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And, if you think that the SEC is any less corrupt

ahhh, isn't that their middle name?

hf

Maybe I read it wrong, I thought it said the place he worked for paid the SEC some bucks...

Of course, you and I know that wouldn't effect their opinion, nope ... not at all

NOT

amiright?

shocked

edit to say: amiright? No response...hmmm Must not be...hmmm
My understanding in the financial realm is greatly lacking in many aspects, especially on the bigger picture. Sorry, this is one area I should have not assumed that I understood what is actually occurring. I'll refrain from making comments until I gain more knowledge.
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Sorry, Isis, I went to bed without saying good night - of course, you're right.
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A reverse EMP. now that would really have to suck. lol


giggle it nothing shows up. I guess it new technology rken
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Ah Hans love a man with a sense of humor. rken
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Beijing (CNN) -- China is all set to give out its own first-ever peace prize Thursday, a move apparently to counter the Norwegian Nobel committee's choice of imprisoned Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo as this year's laureate.
Organizers told CNN they will present the Confucius Peace Prize -- which comes with an award of $15,000 -- in Beijing to promote the ancient sage's philosophy, a day before the Nobel committee honors Liu in Oslo... LINK-> [link to edition.cnn.com]

China is trying to become an alternate to everything.
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to promote the ancient sage's philosophy
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"China is trying to become an alternate to everything." quoting Hans....


very very perceptive Hans...
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Thank you Breezy

I think China's goals are pretty obvious to anyone not in the White House.
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Everyones goals are better then the goals from those in the white house lolsign
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Ah Hans love a man with a sense of humor. rken
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On ACOLYTE's new thread Thread: *** China is about to demonstrate their reverse EMP on a military land based vehicle/installation and/or surface vessel are many people with humor ...hahahaha !!!


China is about to demonstrate their reverse EMP on a military land based vehicle/installation and/or surface vessel
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What is "reverse EMP"?
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1dunno1 does it repair electronic equipment and make it work better? the opposite of a real EMP? 1dunno1
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What is "reverse EMP"?
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PME ?
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Seismologists have conducted a planetary ultrasound and found evidence that light elements such as oxygen and sulphur collect at the edge of Earth's core. The finding, if confirmed, could help to explain what keeps Earth's magnetic field going, and might also shed light on how the planet formed billions of years ago.
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Planetary dynamo

Helffrich says that the lighter elements may be getting concentrated in the outer core as the inner core solidifies. What's more, he speculates that as the light elements rise to the surface of the core, their motion drives a dynamo that powers Earth's protective magnetic field. Researchers have worried in the past about what keeps the dynamo going, says Helffrich. But the rise of light elements "releases a huge amount of gravitational potential energy".
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Models of the Earth's core may need to be modified, says Buffett, and further observations could help to clarify Helffrich's result. "The fact that you can't think of an explanation right away doesn't mean that it's not right," says Buffett.

[link to www.nature.com]
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-More than 100,000 BP oil disaster claims denied since Thanksgiving
Wed, 2010-12-08
[link to bpoilslick.blogspot.com]

Since Thanksgiving, more than 100,000 emergency claims from Gulf Coast residents and business have been denied by Ken Feinberg’s Gulf Coast Claims Facility.
Feinberg’s facility administers the $20 billion fund established by BP to compensate individuals and businesses for economic losses caused by the oil disaster. Feinberg has spoken of “generous” settlements and quick turnaround on claims, but many locals find fault with his process, especially now that so many claims have been turned down en masse over the past several days. 


All in all, Feinberg has denied 173,000 emergency claims, and compensated 158,000 (though often not at the full amount requested), totaling more than $2.3 billion paid out so far. 80,000 more emergency claims remain under review, and will be approved or denied by December 15th.
November 23rd was the deadline for filing these short-term emergency claims, which cover up to 6 months of lost income. Feinberg waited until after that deadline to reject more than 100,000 claims that had been "under review," which explains the surge in rejected claims since then.



@ BHD ... this next story reminded me to your note of that white border of something on the seafloor ... only this is not white but oil ... (so its not the same)

-Oil mat cleanup under way in Orange Beach
Sunday, December 5, 2010
[link to bpoilslick.blogspot.com]

ORANGE BEACH, Alabama -- City officials were checking out a mat of oily material found this week on the sea floor just off the beach in about 3 feet of water.
A BP PLC test crew found the substance just east of the Cotton Bayou public beach access ...
The mat was about 600 feet wide and very narrow, Tim Tucker, Orange Beach public works director, said.




-In an other story at that page
[link to bpoilslick.blogspot.com]
there is an image that shows BP drilled the pipe/hole next to a saltdome ...
Image: [link to www.newsvine.com]



-Obama bans eastern Gulf drilling for 7 years
Thursday, December 2, 2010
[link to bpoilslick.blogspot.com]

Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama will not be allowing new drilling in the eastern Gulf of Mexico for at least seven years, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar announced Wednesday.
The exploration of drilling possibilities in sensitive areas of the Arctic will proceed "with utmost caution," he said.
Obama's decision effectively reverses White House plans announced at the end of March to open the Gulf region -- along with other large swaths of U.S. coastal waters -- to oil and natural gas drilling.
Under the plan, roughly two-thirds of available oil and gas resources in the eastern Gulf would have been opened to drilling. Areas located within 125 miles of the Florida coast would have remained off limits


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-The gulf between press release and reality
December 8th, 2010
[link to numero57.net]

SNIPPET:
...the conclusions reached by Dr. Termotto are startlingly extreme.

He alleges that large sections of the seabed beneath the Gulf of Mexico have been destabilised by the extensive oil and gas drilling operations taking place there. Furthermore, the Deepwater Horizon explosion created numerous fractures in the already unstable rock strata and now, in his words, “the Gulf of Mexico is slowly but surely filling up with oil and gas”.

On top of that, because of the depth of the oil and gas deposits, they contain high concentrations of radioactive isotopes. To add to the problems, the chemical dispersants — which he claims are still being used underwater near the well head (see image, below) — are making a very serious problem a lot worse. These chemicals are themselves highly toxic, but even worse… they are reducing the oil droplets to a “micronized or nano-sized state”. This significantly increases the likelihood that large quantities of mildly radioactive crude oil is entering the food chain. As Dr. Termotto says, this is turning “an extremely serious regional disaster into an unmitigated global catastrophe”.
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Spotted words: AIM & the Falklands ....


-Desire Petroleum provides update on North Falkland Basin
[link to www.scandoil.com]
Published Dec 7, 2010

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Desire Petroleum plc, the AIM listed oil and gas company wholly focussed on the North Falkland Basin, provides the following update on the latest logging results from the 14/15-2 Rachel North well which, following additional wireline data, will be plugged and abandoned with oil shows.
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Commenting on the well, Stephen Phipps Chairman of Desire said, "Having seen the highly encouraging results from the first logs, the LWD, PEX and CMR, on this well, plus accompanying oil shows, it is extremely disappointing that the subsequent wireline logs and fluids sampling have dashed all the earlier promise of this being Desire's first oil discovery in the North Falkland Basin. Despite this setback, the presence of hydrocarbons and good reservoir development have been identified in a number of the Rachel fan sands and we therefore continue to believe in the prospectivity of the East Flank Play fairway for future oil discoveries."

Subsurface support is provided to Desire Petroleum by Senergy (GB) Ltd and the results reported today are based on the work of the Senergy operations team.
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One thing leads to an other think ... ;)

Saw this article:
-Origin commences drilling Offshore Tasmania
[link to www.scandoil.com]
Published Dec 6, 2010


Lat and Long of that article give the Bass strait
[link to maps.google.nl]

Hmmm Tasmania ... wasnt there something with Tasmania and oil, seafood or bacteria ?
And I had to think back to that article I posted that connected Antartic and the GOM.
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So, here we have a scientifically confirmed new oil-eating species of bacterium in the Gulf of Mexico that’s closely related to a bacterium only found in Rod Bay and the Ross Sea, Antarctica (OA), and another one only found in the Tasman Sea between Australia and New Zealand (OH). )



Bass strait and Tasman sea are near but also not near ...lol... one is south of OZ and the other about south-east ...
So at first sight The bacterium wouldnt be there.
Then I found this on gigles:


1 -[PDF] The 2010 Gulf Coast Oil Spill -
29 Oct 2010 ... The levels of oil in the Bass Strait are at about an ... Oceaniserpentilla haliotis and Thalassolituus oleivorans [13]. ...
bookboon.com/dk/studie/petroleum-gas.../the-2010-gulf-coast-o​il-spill.pdf


And this:
2 -Oceaniserpentilla haliotis gen. nov., sp. nov., a marine bacterium ... - 2008 -
Abalones were harvested by the fishery industry near Hobart, Tasmania (4 ° 55' .... Fatty acid compositions (%) of Oceaniserpentilla haliotis DSM 19503T and ...
[link to ijs.sgmjournals.org]



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Abalones were harvested by the fishery industry near Hobart, Tasmania (4 ° 55' S 14 ° 20' E), in February 2006.

An aerobic, Gram-negative bacterial isolate, strain DSM 19503T, was isolated from haemolymph serum of the blacklip abalone Haliotis rubra. Cells of strain DSM 19503T were vibrioid to spiral, motile and were able to pass through sterile filters with a pore size of 0.2 µm, indicating the small width of the bacterium. The isolate was psychrophilic, with the ability to grow at 2–8 °C. Oxidase activity was present, whereas catalase activity was absent. The nearly complete 16S rRNA gene sequence of strain DSM 19503T was obtained and phylogenetic sequence analysis showed that it formed a distinct genus in the family Oceanospirillaceae with highest sequence similarity of 92.9 % to Oleispira antarctica RB-8T. The cellular fatty acid composition was dependent on the growth medium used for cultivation. During growth on seawater agar, the fatty acid composition was most similar to that of Oleispira antarctica DSM 14852T, with mainly C16 : 0 (90.3 %). In contrast, Columbia blood agar/NaCl-grown cells exhibited mainly C10 : 0 3-OH (11.8 %), C12 : 1cis5 (8.2 %), C16 : 1cis9 (29.6 %), C16 : 0 (19.3 %) and C18 : 1cis9 (13.1 %) fatty acids. On the basis of phenotypic, chemotaxonomic and genotypic data, strain DSM 19503T is considered to represent a novel species in a new genus for which the name Oceaniserpentilla haliotis gen. nov., sp. nov. is proposed. The type strain of Oceaniserpentilla haliotis is DSM 19503T (=LMG 24225T).



Bacteris grown in BLOOD ????? (I didnt know...)
Related to antarctica strain ..

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How cruel ...
first save the animal out of the GOM and then after recovery release it back in a toxic soup that will kill it agian !
...
People dont know what they are doing, and the severity of the situation !
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-Rescued turtles returned to gulf waters
The release is a milestone in helping wildlife recover from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.
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thought id just post this link over here from the breif case thread, in case it gets deleted. its about an incident with [link to www.newyorker.com] a spy plane eves dropping near china that gets taken by the chinese and the intel and tech that ends up in chinese hands. many thanks to the a/c who posted.
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Dead coral found near BP well site
[link to www.latimes.com]

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Scientists use underwater cameras to film stricken coral colonies seven miles from the Gulf of Mexico wellhead. Samples will be analyzed for evidence of hydrocarbons and chemical oil dispersants.

Image: [link to www.latimes.com]
Coral, with attached brittle starfish, seen several miles from the site of the blown-out oil well in the Gulf of Mexico is apparently covered with brown material. (Associated Press)
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A colony of hard coral at a depth of more than 4,000 feet was sloughing off tissue and producing mucus, while a nearby community of soft corals had extensive bare areas. A type of starfish associated with the coral was also in bad shape.
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But when the ship crew focused underwater cameras on colonies seven miles southwest of the BP leak, images of stricken corals, covered with a brown substance, popped up on the screen.
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Fisher said the lab results may not be conclusive. "A plume of toxic dispersant or oil blowing through this community could have caused damage that resulted in the slow death of the corals without leaving any trace on the seafloor near the corals," he said. "No one even knows if dispersant accumulates in the tissues that it kills."
...
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-Arctic waters open for "cautious" leasing after 2012
December 1, 2010
[link to latimesblogs.latimes.com]

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The proposal has been greeted with cheers by many in Alaska who've been waiting to move into the new offshore frontier of the Far North, but conservationists warned that more studies should have been done before including the Arctic in the administration's 2012-17 Outer Continental Shelf leasing plan.

“It is disturbing that Interior proposes to evaluate including the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas in the 2012-2017 five-year plan, despite a severe lack of information and an inability to clean up oil spills in Arctic conditions,” a coalition of the nation’s biggest environmental organizations said in a statement.

“We will proceed with utmost caution,” Salazar said, adding that “cautious, limited exploratory activities” can help improve scientific understanding of the remote, little-known region. He said no new leases would be offered before 2013, and even then, they would proceed only after comprehensive studies of environmental impacts and oil spill cleanup capabilities.

In one of the most closely watched developments, Officials also said they were proceeding with a final environmental assessment for Shell Oil’s proposal to drill at least one exploratory well in the Beaufort Sea as early as next summer, which would be the first substantial new drilling in U.S. Arctic waters in many years.

That announcement was applauded by Shell, whose more ambitious program to drill several wells in both the Beaufort and Chukchi seas has been held up in the courts by conservation and Native Alaska groups concerned that oil operations in one of the world’s most fragile environments could lead to disaster.


...

The Arctic has been one of the most important battlegrounds for future new domestic oil development. On one hand, it contains what the U.S. Geological Survey has described as possibly the “largest unexplored prospective area for petroleum remaining on Earth.”

Yet the risks of an oil spill in its icy, often-stormy waters are formidable, and conservationists are concerned that taking areas of the Atlantic, Pacific and eastern Gulf of Mexico off the table will lead the oil industry inevitably northward.

There is now more pressure on the Arctic Ocean,” said Marilyn Heiman, director of the U.S. Arctic program for the Pew Environment Group, which along with other groups has called for more study of how the cleanup technologies that worked only partially in the Gulf of Mexico can be brought to bear in a frozen region that is 1,000 miles from the nearest Coast Guard base.

“I think the question is, what is the pace at which they will do it, and where. The decision about if, when and where to hold these lease sales will be key,” she said.
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Goodnight all

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Goodnight all

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G'nite MZ K
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The number of the beast.. or how to sell an actuary ..

[link to www.youtube.com]

I know I'm way out of your league here but this 3 part video is the stuff you find just under a rock.
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Who is buyihg the bond with an actuary as collateral, and is that bond government-backed?

I appreciate the link to the video. Is there a connection to the discussion on this thread?
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thought id just post this link over here from the breif case thread, in case it gets deleted. its about an incident with [link to www.newyorker.com] a spy plane eves dropping near china that gets taken by the chinese and the intel and tech that ends up in chinese hands. many thanks to the a/c who posted.
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At the time of this incident, there were questions about whether the Aries II had been 'delivered' to the Chinese.


"On April 1, 2001, an American EP-3E Aries II reconnaissance plane on an eavesdropping mission collided with a Chinese interceptor jet over the South China Sea, triggering the first international crisis of George W. Bush’s Administration. The Chinese jet crashed, and its pilot was killed, but the pilot of the American aircraft, Navy Lieutenant Shane Osborn, managed to make an emergency landing at a Chinese F-8 fighter base on Hainan Island, fifteen miles from the mainland."
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The number of the beast.. or how to sell an actuary ..

[link to www.youtube.com]

I know I'm way out of your league here but this 3 part video is the stuff you find just under a rock.



Who is buyihg the bond with an actuary as collateral, and is that bond government-backed?

I appreciate the link to the video. Is there a connection to the discussion on this thread?
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Daaayum! Can you say corporate??
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The number of the beast.. or how to sell an actuary ..

[link to www.youtube.com]

I know I'm way out of your league here but this 3 part video is the stuff you find just under a rock.



Who is buyihg the bond with an actuary as collateral, and is that bond government-backed?

I appreciate the link to the video. Is there a connection to the discussion on this thread?


Daaayum! Can you say corporate??
xmas
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I call them "corp o'rats"
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The number of the beast.. or how to sell an actuary ..

[link to www.youtube.com]

I know I'm way out of your league here but this 3 part video is the stuff you find just under a rock.



Who is buyihg the bond with an actuary as collateral, and is that bond government-backed?

I appreciate the link to the video. Is there a connection to the discussion on this thread?


Daaayum! Can you say corporate??
xmas



I call them "corp o'rats"
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And I call them corporate whores, hence the ho ho ho.
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@Krispy - 8th Dec.
"One thing leads to an other think ... ;)

Saw this article:
-Origin commences drilling Offshore Tasmania......"


When I was in Tassie a couple of years back, I had this vision, here it is....


Tasmania is an island, part of Australia, off the South-East corner of the main landmass. Tasmania had been part of Australia, connected by a land bridge, which allowed the plants and animals to cross between them. According to conventional science, this land bridge broke up several millions of years ago, and since then, the plants and animals have evolved independently.

This idea has some anomalies – firstly, the Aborigines inhabited the island in the past 10,000 years or so, yet the dingo never went over (did the dingo arrive in Australia after the current Aboriginal peoples?). I have some more insights on this shortly..

The island is small, with windy roads and large hills and mountains. In the south, there are several deep rivers, with steep hills on both sides – almost like fiords. The central part is a large valley, running north-south, and is sheltered by the mountains on both sides. There is much evidence in the rocks of violent upheavals, layers of rock poking up at all angles, and places where volcanic rocks overlay sedimentary rocks such as limestone.

On looking at the country, I get the feeling that the twisting and upturning of the rocks is a lot more recent than the millions of years quoted by the ‘experts’. There is erosion, but considering the weather and rainfall, I feel that the rocks have only been showing some thousands of years at the most. One can see lumps breaking off all the time, measurable erosion of centimetres each year, so if the rocks had been there for millions of years, there would be nothing left by now.

And now my ‘feelings…’

The whole time I was there, I was uncomfortable – I kept feeling ‘bad’ feelings. I kept sensing in many places that bad things had happened there – murders, slavery, pain, the lot. Also, the land itself was in pain – the people there had stripped most of the trees off the land, even on very steep slopes, and in many places, the land had been ripped up and abused, raped.

I felt the bad feelings particularly in the south of the island, everywhere I went. There were many different ‘messages’, including beatings and floggings, murders, murders for pleasure, extreme hard work, all sorts of bad things had happened. These things had happened to both the white people, (even going beyond the convicts), and to the native (Aboriginal) peoples, (who were exterminated by the whites – total genocide).

I felt the land telling me that it was soon going to cleanse itself – wash away the pain and hurt – remove the bad Karma. The southern part of Tasmania has many deep rivers cutting into the land – almost like fiords, and I sensed that if there was ever a tsunami, there would be massive waves of water rush up each of these rivers, including the Derwent river into Hobart. A big change is coming to that land, and I think it will be very soon…

The final revelation came to me when I was at Campbell Town – stayed the night there, and in the morning I had a ‘waking dream’, where I was shown the history of the place. The dream was given to me by the ‘old people’, or ‘Gardeners’ as they preferred to call themselves – the original inhabitants of Australia.

They showed me that they had been in Australia for a very long time, tending the land and the plants of the country. There had been ‘Earth-changes’, but not enough to do great damage to their culture. About 12,000 years ago, Tasmania started to separate from the mainland, leaving a chain of islands – a kind of land bridge. It was also about this time that the current race that we know as the ‘Australian Aborigines’ arrived on the mainland.

The Aborigines were a lot more warlike, and quickly displaced the Gardeners from their land, and in most cases either wiped them out, or pushed them further south – onto Tasmania. The Aborigines had also brought with them their dog – the present-day ‘Dingo’, and a few other animals. They were basically hunter-gatherers, who did not understand the Gardeners concept of ‘land-care’, but rather used fire to control their environment. To be fair, there were climate changes, partly through earth changes, and partly as the Aborigines changed the landscape with their fires.

So, by a few thousand years ago, the Gardeners had disappeared from the mainland, and their remnants had all concentrated on Tasmania, which, with its wet climate, was able to easily support a large population, using their methods of food production (they were basically vegetarian) through a form of permaculture.

Something then triggered the mainland Aborigines to want to go to Tasmania, so they got together many men (but only a few women) from many tribes, and assembled them into a large ‘army’. This seems to have been some sort of ‘religious crusade’, though I wasn’t shown how it was organised. This army then ‘island-hopped’ the slowly widening straight (although one could always see the next island) to Tasmania.

The Aboriginal army then set about clearing the country of the Gardeners. Near Campbell Town, a large group of Gardeners were herded together and ritually slaughtered. This occurred in several other places as well. Very few Gardeners survived – just a few women and children, but they were soon assimilated into the Aboriginal gene-pool, with very little of their knowledge or stories surviving the occupation. The land that they had tended soon fell into a state of chaos, and with the Aboriginal fire methods, most of the food supplies vanished.

Following the massacres and the dark energies released, there were more earth-changes, with many of the islands between Tasmania and the mainland going under water. The Aborigines on Tasmania were soon starving, and in a desperate state. They had no way to return to their mainland tribes, and there were very few women with them. There was much war and murder, and many cases of cannibalism amongst the survivors, but gradually, the population stabilised, as they learnt the new country and what it could provide them by their methods.

Since the surviving Aboriginal genetics, social mores and living affinity with the land were so poor – they had lost so much, they in turn were easily displaced and exterminated on the arrival of the white settlers. The peoples who claim to be Tasmanian Aborigines are only a shell of their ancestors, who in turn have so much blood on their hands – thereby reaping so much Karma on themselves. Soon, I was told, the land itself will turn – it is straining under the pain of all that blood – and cleanses itself – wiping the slate and starting again from new.

The spirits of the Gardeners asked me to help them – to find someone, preferably a woman, to come while there was still time, to listen to them and to write their history. They said that they will give many stories, about the land, of how it was, and of how they were able to make it into a very productive food garden. This is a way to purge the past hurts – to help bring in the new light to the world, so once again we live in a garden, without hurt and pain.


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...well, I hope not.
Going there soon, and know many people living there.
I have never had that feeling, a part from Port Arthur,
which is obvious.

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@Krispy - 8th Dec.
"One thing leads to an other think ... ;)

Saw this article:
-Origin commences drilling Offshore Tasmania......"


When I was in Tassie a couple of years back, I had this vision, here it is....


Tasmania is an island, part of Australia, off the South-East corner of the main landmass. Tasmania had been part of Australia, connected by a land bridge, which allowed the plants and animals to cross between them. According to conventional science, this land bridge broke up several millions of years ago, and since then, the plants and animals have evolved independently.

This idea has some anomalies – firstly, the Aborigines inhabited the island in the past 10,000 years or so, yet the dingo never went over (did the dingo arrive in Australia after the current Aboriginal peoples?). I have some more insights on this shortly..

The island is small, with windy roads and large hills and mountains. In the south, there are several deep rivers, with steep hills on both sides – almost like fiords. The central part is a large valley, running north-south, and is sheltered by the mountains on both sides. There is much evidence in the rocks of violent upheavals, layers of rock poking up at all angles, and places where volcanic rocks overlay sedimentary rocks such as limestone.

On looking at the country, I get the feeling that the twisting and upturning of the rocks is a lot more recent than the millions of years quoted by the ‘experts’. There is erosion, but considering the weather and rainfall, I feel that the rocks have only been showing some thousands of years at the most. One can see lumps breaking off all the time, measurable erosion of centimetres each year, so if the rocks had been there for millions of years, there would be nothing left by now.

And now my ‘feelings…’

The whole time I was there, I was uncomfortable – I kept feeling ‘bad’ feelings. I kept sensing in many places that bad things had happened there – murders, slavery, pain, the lot. Also, the land itself was in pain – the people there had stripped most of the trees off the land, even on very steep slopes, and in many places, the land had been ripped up and abused, raped.

I felt the bad feelings particularly in the south of the island, everywhere I went. There were many different ‘messages’, including beatings and floggings, murders, murders for pleasure, extreme hard work, all sorts of bad things had happened. These things had happened to both the white people, (even going beyond the convicts), and to the native (Aboriginal) peoples, (who were exterminated by the whites – total genocide).

I felt the land telling me that it was soon going to cleanse itself – wash away the pain and hurt – remove the bad Karma. The southern part of Tasmania has many deep rivers cutting into the land – almost like fiords, and I sensed that if there was ever a tsunami, there would be massive waves of water rush up each of these rivers, including the Derwent river into Hobart. A big change is coming to that land, and I think it will be very soon…

The final revelation came to me when I was at Campbell Town – stayed the night there, and in the morning I had a ‘waking dream’, where I was shown the history of the place. The dream was given to me by the ‘old people’, or ‘Gardeners’ as they preferred to call themselves – the original inhabitants of Australia.

They showed me that they had been in Australia for a very long time, tending the land and the plants of the country. There had been ‘Earth-changes’, but not enough to do great damage to their culture. About 12,000 years ago, Tasmania started to separate from the mainland, leaving a chain of islands – a kind of land bridge. It was also about this time that the current race that we know as the ‘Australian Aborigines’ arrived on the mainland.

The Aborigines were a lot more warlike, and quickly displaced the Gardeners from their land, and in most cases either wiped them out, or pushed them further south – onto Tasmania. The Aborigines had also brought with them their dog – the present-day ‘Dingo’, and a few other animals. They were basically hunter-gatherers, who did not understand the Gardeners concept of ‘land-care’, but rather used fire to control their environment. To be fair, there were climate changes, partly through earth changes, and partly as the Aborigines changed the landscape with their fires.

So, by a few thousand years ago, the Gardeners had disappeared from the mainland, and their remnants had all concentrated on Tasmania, which, with its wet climate, was able to easily support a large population, using their methods of food production (they were basically vegetarian) through a form of permaculture.

Something then triggered the mainland Aborigines to want to go to Tasmania, so they got together many men (but only a few women) from many tribes, and assembled them into a large ‘army’. This seems to have been some sort of ‘religious crusade’, though I wasn’t shown how it was organised. This army then ‘island-hopped’ the slowly widening straight (although one could always see the next island) to Tasmania.

The Aboriginal army then set about clearing the country of the Gardeners. Near Campbell Town, a large group of Gardeners were herded together and ritually slaughtered. This occurred in several other places as well. Very few Gardeners survived – just a few women and children, but they were soon assimilated into the Aboriginal gene-pool, with very little of their knowledge or stories surviving the occupation. The land that they had tended soon fell into a state of chaos, and with the Aboriginal fire methods, most of the food supplies vanished.

Following the massacres and the dark energies released, there were more earth-changes, with many of the islands between Tasmania and the mainland going under water. The Aborigines on Tasmania were soon starving, and in a desperate state. They had no way to return to their mainland tribes, and there were very few women with them. There was much war and murder, and many cases of cannibalism amongst the survivors, but gradually, the population stabilised, as they learnt the new country and what it could provide them by their methods.

Since the surviving Aboriginal genetics, social mores and living affinity with the land were so poor – they had lost so much, they in turn were easily displaced and exterminated on the arrival of the white settlers. The peoples who claim to be Tasmanian Aborigines are only a shell of their ancestors, who in turn have so much blood on their hands – thereby reaping so much Karma on themselves. Soon, I was told, the land itself will turn – it is straining under the pain of all that blood – and cleanses itself – wiping the slate and starting again from new.

The spirits of the Gardeners asked me to help them – to find someone, preferably a woman, to come while there was still time, to listen to them and to write their history. They said that they will give many stories, about the land, of how it was, and of how they were able to make it into a very productive food garden. This is a way to purge the past hurts – to help bring in the new light to the world, so once again we live in a garden, without hurt and pain.


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Well, I hope you find that woman soon!
I can totally relate to what you felt from the land. I lived on some land that had just that feeling for about a year. It's a hard thing with which to live. I cried a lot and prayed more. The terrible irony was that the property itself was gorgeous, and the wildlife abundant.
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When I was in Tassie a couple of years back, I had this vision, here it is....

Tasmania is an island, part of Australia, off the South-East corner of the main landmass. Tasmania had been part of Australia, connected by a land bridge, which allowed the plants and animals to cross between them. According to conventional science, this land bridge broke up several millions of years ago, and since then, the plants and animals have evolved independently.

SNIP

The spirits of the Gardeners asked me to help them – to find someone, preferably a woman, to come while there was still time, to listen to them and to write their history. They said that they will give many stories, about the land, of how it was, and of how they were able to make it into a very productive food garden. This is a way to purge the past hurts – to help bring in the new light to the world, so once again we live in a garden, without hurt and pain.

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Hi E-W, mate whilst I have never had thoughts about Tassy like that, my partner has for Japan. I've been there, even to Hiroshima, and whilst I felt uncomfortable at Hiroshima (and Nagasaki) I dint feel...like you describe.

My partner however, had so many vivid dreams about going there before it vanished in to the sea. Mostly along the lines of it would be a pity for you NOT to see your heritage before it is permanently gone. She is NOT Japanese.
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