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Heya Hans , BHD and DR
Great postings !!!!


Yep, hf lets hit that 1300 5a


- Tnx DR for giving that accurate info about the layers. Thats exactly how the article described it too :D
Great !

- Tnx BHD for the remainder of that info. Yes I remember us discussing that stuff.


- Tnx Isis, great posts too ! Keep m comming :D
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Thanks for your thoughts. It's hpeled me a lot.
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does anyone know what supercritical fluid is?

I wrote a paper on it 2 years ago, trying to get the company I no longer work for (GE) to do some experiments with CO2

water outside its critical point can be used for some , well, very interesting things

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Supercritical water oxidation: Supercritical water oxidation uses supercritical water as a medium in which to oxidize hazardous waste, eliminating production of toxic combustion products that burning can produce.

The waste product to be oxidised is dissolved in the supercritical water along with molecular oxygen (or an oxidising agent that gives up oxygen upon decomposition, e.g. Hydrogen Peroxide) at which point the oxidation reaction occurs.

this may be the weapon being used on augie


~660k @ ~100000000 pa

thats ~386 C @ 14,500 psi

if you have ever worked in the measurement industry, those are not extreme numbers
most oil field tools go to ~40,000 psi and 1000F (~500C)
ultrasonics could easily produce high temps and increasing the density of a fluid increases the pressure at the bottom

I know all this because I worked in calibration labs for 30+ years, and I personally believe, from observational data that all current phase science is critically flawed.

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the term calibrators could be being used is because a critical relationship between temp and pressure must be maintained

calibrators could be nothing more than a means to measure the temp and pressure.

now the world leader in measurement tools for extreme uses is a company called schlumberger, out of france, with massive world wide presence.

so, now let us digress and remember it was deepwater horizon that originally brought us here

very good article here:

[link to www.picassodreams.com]

"On May 19th Reuters ran a story about employees of Shlumberger leaving the rig of the Deepwater Horizon the very same day of the catastrophe."

"So, if Schlumberger had not even publicly acknowledged being there until speaking with Reuters, it strongly suggests that the people discussing this information in the days prior to the Reuters article did have some information that the rest of us do not."

a bit of food fot thought.....

dr
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now, for a brief ramble on my own theory of phases of matter

in the begining we were taught there were 3 phases of matter

liquid, solid, and gas controled by pressure or temp
then plasma was added, which is defined here

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

if you notice, the definition starts to sound more like a catchall of basicly "its when not a solid, liquid or gas", and now they start using the terms charged particles aka energy

why is charge omitted in our basic phases? does it suddenly happen? obviously not

(recently it was found rainwater actually has a charge)

now, has anyone ever seen an enthalpy/phase chart

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I believe that these are poor because they omit charge, which I believe, is because we have not properly defined temp. Think about the temp/heat/transfer relationship

my personal opinion is that phases of matter could be defined much better if we used pressure, temp, charge/energy, and a changing "constant" that I have termed "rotation" (for lack a a fancier term), then map the numbers in 3d. this would give us a chart that looks more like a 4 sided die (D&D anyone...lol) then each phase would be a side of the die. the closer to an edge changes the matter more towards the phase on the next side

now, you may ask, where does this get us?

first the periodic table would become obsolete, as every atom AND molecule could be defined in 4 vectors
each would be IMHO unique

now, if "residual background energy" on earth increased it could cause physical changes in matter its self...
the question is how much energy causes a change?

with matter charted like I said, it could be accurately predicted

now we have found out that solar flares may change radiation half life, so possibly maybe not as much as one would think.

now, how much energy would be required to change your DNA?
radiation does, thats what cause cancers, as does the sun.

I don't know, but I am always left with more questions than answers. and for the record, I am building a phase study bench in my shop to study this stuff (I can go to 40,000 psi, and 300-500F, and have 2 window cells good to 10,000 psi) I just have to get my house remodeling done first or my wife will kill me...lol

thanks for the space to ramble, feel free to debunk...lol

dr
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wow, just noticed, we could break 2,000,000 views by the end of the year, too

wow...

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hi



Metal undergoes novel transition under extreme pressure

Under extreme pressures and temperatures, one of the main metals of the Earth's interior has exhibited a never-before-seen transition.
[link to www.bbc.co.uk]


hf
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On this first article, I had no more than finished commenting to my aide this very same response and how it reminded me of the article I posted earlier this month...

Comet Lovejoy's Survival

snip

please check the link, so little was posted that I'm concerned about staying within the guidelines. Sorry:(

edit to ask about this first statement: Kreutz mentioned frozen, and (or giant snowball). How could the water survive the heat of the Sun and not vaporize? It did form a new tail though. hmmm Just like to hear what others think on this.

The comet survived because of the larger electromagnetic charge on it compared to smaller comets heading toward the sun(Kreutz Comets). The charge is + and is repelled by the + charge of the sun's surface.
[link to www.allvoices.com]

Wow, just wow. It felt good that someone else had the same thoughts that I did. lol

I also read the comet will be seen from the northern hemisphere later in January.

So, in keeping with the spirit of the holiday season, here are some more articles about the birthday comet, each offering a variety of information.

COMET LOVEJOY IN THE MORNING:
Noted astronomer John Bortle urges observers (especially in the southern hemisphere) to "begin searching for Comet Lovejoy's bright tail projecting up out of the morning twilight beginning at dawn. The tails of some of the major sungrazing comets have been extraordinarily bright.

snip

UPDATE: This morning in New Zealand, Minoru Yoneto photographed the ghostly tail of Comet Lovejoy shining through the twilight:
[link to spaceweather.com]


Comet Lovejoy Plunges into the Sun and Survives

[link to science.nasa.gov]


Surprising Comet Lovejoy Now Becoming Merry and Bright

[link to www.universetoday.com]

And, for those who enjoy the sounds of the holiday, I kind of liked these. In one song, someone whistles for a short time, and when I heard that, it suddenly took me back to my childhood when my father would whistle to tunes or as he worked. Happiness to all:)

Xmas music
[link to www.youtube.com]


hf

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the term calibrators could be being used is because a critical relationship between temp and pressure must be maintained

calibrators could be nothing more than a means to measure the temp and pressure.

now the world leader in measurement tools for extreme uses is a company called schlumberger, out of france, with massive world wide presence.

so, now let us digress and remember it was deepwater horizon that originally brought us here

very good article here:

[link to www.picassodreams.com]

"On May 19th Reuters ran a story about employees of Shlumberger leaving the rig of the Deepwater Horizon the very same day of the catastrophe."

"So, if Schlumberger had not even publicly acknowledged being there until speaking with Reuters, it strongly suggests that the people discussing this information in the days prior to the Reuters article did have some information that the rest of us do not."

a bit of food fot thought.....

dr
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AWWWWWSOME !!!! 5a


DR, do you think that critical water has been deployed or used in Japan and their reactors ?
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--snip--

if you notice, the definition starts to sound more like a catchall of basicly "its when not a solid, liquid or gas", and now they start using the terms charged particles aka energy

why is charge omitted in our basic phases? does it suddenly happen? obviously not

(recently it was found rainwater actually has a charge)
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I think that EVERYTHING has CHARGE.
Becoz of charge it is visable or detectable.

Everything that has trans-formed into a STATE, are charged molecules in a formation, creating an other charge, and again and again ... Atoms, cells, organs, biologic walking vessel or plant or stone etc.. are all stages of charge.
And thats why [with NASA-technology] it is possible to read the charge of organs and parts of your body, and learn if they are healthy or not.


now, has anyone ever seen an enthalpy/phase chart

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I believe that these are poor because they omit charge, which I believe, is because we have not properly defined temp. Think about the temp/heat/transfer relationship

my personal opinion is that phases of matter could be defined much better if we used pressure, temp, charge/energy, and a changing "constant" that I have termed "rotation" (for lack a a fancier term), then map the numbers in 3d. this would give us a chart that looks more like a 4 sided die (D&D anyone...lol) then each phase would be a side of the die. the closer to an edge changes the matter more towards the phase on the next side

now, you may ask, where does this get us?

first the periodic table would become obsolete, as every atom AND molecule could be defined in 4 vectors
each would be IMHO unique
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Interresting :)


now, if "residual background energy" on earth increased it could cause physical changes in matter its self...
the question is how much energy causes a change?
 Quoting: dr


Every bit of energy that is outside a specific range .. outside the box that the subject can handle .. changes the subject.


with matter charted like I said, it could be accurately predicted

now we have found out that solar flares may change radiation half life, so possibly maybe not as much as one would think.

now, how much energy would be required to change your DNA?
radiation does, thats what cause cancers, as does the sun.
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As for lifeforms using CONSIOUNESS, this is an important 'thing' that determines wheter the lifeform's DNA will change and in what rate and outcome.
Then we have the Consiousness ala person, and the Consiousness ala whole/grid/morphogenetic field. This field enables other lifeforms also to up-grade/de-grade.

If we believe that the sun cauzes canser, the rate of people develloping canser will be higher then of people who believe the sun is healing coz it is increasing our amount of MELANIN [Melanin and Melatonin balance is important] which protects against radiation (think about radiation-triving-high'melanin-fungi in Chernobyl) ...

It is only logical that the overload on energy [in multiple states of matter and phases] are needed in this Galactic Event that is taking place.
If we would not have been where we are now (fluffy, ribbon, galactic cloud, allignment, etc ..) then we would have long 'failed' under the same circumstances, then we would have been burned-out/overloaded.
But this is not the case and the extra energy is converted into multiple events and happenings on multiple levels of existance [in our body's, in technology, in geo changes, thermal changes/volcano's, mental changes, etc ..]
At this point of our trip there is no exes, no charge, that is not used by Earth or the Solarsystem.


I don't know, but I am always left with more questions than answers. and for the record, I am building a phase study bench in my shop to study this stuff (I can go to 40,000 psi, and 300-500F, and have 2 window cells good to 10,000 psi) I just have to get my house remodeling done first or my wife will kill me...lol

thanks for the space to ramble, feel free to debunk...lol

dr
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..lol.. Goodluck ;)


Your rambles are great ! keep m comming !

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HI Isis,

just want to say that I will comment on your 2 last posts 2mrow ...
my HQ are waiting for me ...lol...
ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz-time.

Big hug sweety ! hf
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HI Isis,

just want to say that I will comment on your 2 last posts 2mrow ...
my HQ are waiting for me ...lol...
ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz-time.

Big hug sweety ! hf
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Looking forward to it. Sleep well.

hugs
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I like the ideas you presented DR, espoecially your pet theory - the fuzziness of it appeals to me very much!

And I dont mean that as a derogitory statement, rather I mean the idea that as you get closer to one of the 'edges', the substance becomes closer to being a certain way.

It's not black and white, - its fuzzy! And that is the way of the Universe I think. All the grey bits, and the greys bits on them too! LOL.

I thought I had a good workshop set up downstairs. Nothing like what you are proposing. You must have a very understanding wife!

Re-itterating the point of where mot of us came aboard, with the sinking of the DWH is refreshing.

Really, it was just the result of things brewing for a great deal of time prior, and no doubt measured.

That teams were brought in to measure and calibrate instruments prior to the disaster shows that many folks did indeed know or were aware of the possible situation.

At the most basic level, the fact we have a term "BEZERK" shows that someone put a great deal of thought in to describing a situation, and had data that led to the call that a phenomina could be classified BEZERK.

That didnt happen over night. People have been watching and waiting for it.

Initially the 'calibtrators' may have been used simply to detect, but as a better understanding was gained, the more critical aspect of measurement, and data conversion, allowed rudimentary control of the situation.

Really appreciate the input.

1300 pages, no worries!
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K, you might find this interesting.

RIP

Carl Sagan's wife Lynn Margulis died just the other day, very close to the anniversary of her Husband's death.

"Lynn Margulis, who has died aged 73, was a microbiologist whose work on the origin of cells transformed the study of evolution; with James Lovelock, she also developed the "Gaia theory" of Earth as a vast self-regulating system.

It was Lynn Margulis’s expertise in microbes that led her, in the mid-Seventies, to the British atmospheric chemist James Lovelock, who had come to suspect that living organisms had a greater effect on the atmosphere than was commonly recognised. Together they proposed a theory that Earth itself — its atmosphere, the geology and the organisms that inhabit it — is a self-regulating system in which living organisms help to regulate the terrestrial and atmospheric conditions that make the planet habitable.

In particular they suggested that plankton act as a living thermostat, helping to regulate global temperature; that bogs and peat lands affect glaciers as the organisms within them release and absorb greenhouse gases; and that colonies of bacteria and other microbes in tidal mud flats process enough salt to help keep ocean salinity fairly constant. It was Lovelock who suggested they call their hypothesis Gaia, after the ancient Greek goddess of the Earth.

Though advancing such theories exposed her to enormous hostility from within the scientific community, she came to be regarded as one of the most creative and respected researchers of her generation.

In the 1960s Lynn Margulis became convinced that, while Darwin had successfully proved that all species of living things are descended from earlier ones, neither he nor his followers had ever satisfactorily explained the source of the variation that gives rise to new species.

She began focusing on the evolution of eukaryotic cells — cells containing a nucleus (a membraned envelope enclosing chromosomes), and organelles (which are distinct structures that perform such functions as photosynthesis). While it was well known that a nucleus contains DNA, Lynn Margulis focused on the genes which exist outside the nucleus, to find a clue to how the earliest bacteria-like cells could have evolved into more complex organisms.

She resurrected a long-ignored idea that the organelles within eukaryotes were once free-living bacteria that had once invaded other bacterial forms. First these were parasites; then they became “symbionts”, providing services for their hosts in return for a protective environment; finally they were fully integrated into their hosts’ biological make-up as organelles.

Lynn Margulis’s theory of “symbiogenesis” challenged the Neo-Darwinist consensus by suggesting that inherited variation does not come, or does not come exclusively, from random genetic mutation but from long-lasting interaction between organisms.

At first the idea met with scorn: her findings were rejected by 15 academic journals and grant applications were brusquely rebuffed. The response to one application was: “Your research is crap. Don’t ever bother to apply again.”

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]


Well, I for one thank her for her contributions. hf
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Link didnt seem to come up?

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
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Assuming massive releases of methane are happening as we speak, what are your thoughts on immediate/prolonged effects that will occur and what is a plausible timeline if nothing can be done to ameliorate them?

Thanks to all for your continuing attention and research on these activities.
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The methane, stored the world over mostly in frozen form, should only initially be an issue as it reaches a saturation point. But, it is only a building block for a larger event. It will be metabolised, and used in all areas, deep sea, land and upper atmosphere.

Upper atmospher has already been primed.

Although the Arctic is where the readings are currently off the dial, which IMHO is a man made (CHIN) event, watch the other side of the world, especially NZ, which sits on a massive frozen methane shelf. Not necessarily doom and gloom either, just something about to go down between NZ and OZ. (beginnings of it.)

** all pure speculation
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good evening all

thanks for the comments, and I will make my way down the list

Interesting that methane comes up, yet again

my initial concern with deepwater was the methane
it was obvious to me at the start of the nightmare that methane was the culpret.
I actually coined the term infernocane...lol
the destruction was so intense that IMHO only a vapor explosion could have caused it
the kicks from the mud pool back that up
the tophat assy deployed quickly caked with hydrates (remember those guys???)

there is something about it we are missing

think, as "organic matter" decomposes methane is produced
as we function methane is produced...everyone has farted, right?
it seems more "basic" than hydrogen to me because it is always a byproduct of life

now enter the hydrate
a chunk of gas, held inside a chunk of frozen water
CO2 forms hydrates, too
another "byproduct" gas

not sure where this needs to go, but IMHO Very important

by the way, my concerns were enough that I contacted a dr sloan with us interior and he ditched me for months, and n-b-c asked me for opinions, which i did not give

but thats another beer story

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Thanks, as well.
Tnx Agapao and BHD/GHD :)

Of what I read in an article a few days ago, the melting of the ice is part in this cycle with the melting of the methane, it was said that cold freshwater form a kind of blanked on top of the rising methane in the salt water. It prevented a lot of the methane to surface and escape in the atmosphere. This is a balance-mechanism at work.
In that same article it was said that special kinds of bacteria were eating the methane in normal conditions.

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Very interesting. Any ideas on the physics of this?

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still there as hydrates on the bottom

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BUG, there was a thread, and a bit of speculation on this thread regarding a massive tunneling operation from Yellowstone to the GoM as a redirect.

From memory, that idea (some said was in progress) was to close off the GoM at its in and outlets, and create a super algae production plant across the entire GoM. Heating the water was a prerequisite, as was adding large amounts of certain chemicals, commonly found in Yellowstone geisers.
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someone was drilling connect the dots holes
speculation to warm the gulf, or also stress relieve yellowstone

drilling maps would be nice, but microquakes in OK are...well interesting
who holds the leases???

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I just found this interesting, no idea if any connection, but odd nonetheless

Thread: Strange nuclear waste lint might be "biological in nature"

'Strange nuclear waste 'lint'may be biological in nature.'

hiding2
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I have been to srf. creepy and dangerous place
wackenhut guards are given deadly force ability if you go in the wrong place
supposed to be hundreds of square miles of underground storage, much of which is low level (coveralls, wrenches cars, etc) don't know about high level stuff
but they still make tridiun there...
next to the river

not good, nucleur rivers and all

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Interactions of heavy metals with white-rot fungi
[link to www.sciencedirect.com]

Maybe more research will learn us more about white fungus that is radioactivity resistant ....
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IHMO all corrosion is bio in nature

dr
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hi

Got sidetracked but meant to post these a while back. Sorry so late. (They didn't show up on a search.)


New discoveries about water characteristics


They found that when they chilled liquid water in their simulation, its propensity to conduct heat decreases, as expected for an ordinary liquid. But, when they lowered the temperature to about 48 degrees Celsius below zero (54 degrees Fahrenheit), the liquid water started to conduct heat even better in the simulation.

Their studies suggest that below this temperature, liquid water undergoes sharp but continuous structural changes whereas the local structure of liquid becomes extremely ordered – very much like ice. These structural changes in liquid water lead to increase of heat conduction at lower temperatures.

The researchers say that this surprising result supports the idea that water has a liquid-liquid phase transition.

[link to thewatchers.adorraeli.com]


Quantum Theorem Shakes Foundations


The wavefunction is a real physical object after all, say researchers.

At the heart of the weirdness for which the field of quantum mechanics is famous is the wavefunction, a powerful but mysterious entity that is used to determine the probabilities that quantum particles will have certain properties.

...

"I don't like to sound hyperbolic, but I think the word 'seismic' is likely to apply to this paper," says Antony Valentini, a theoretical physicist specializing in quantum foundations at Clemson University in South Carolina.

read more at source:
[link to www.sott.net]

hf
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IMHO this supports my theory
rotation is frequency...aka sine wave
but we remove the sine function and the math gets simpler

did you know, water won't freeze at -40F at 38,000 psi
thats pretty cool...pun intended

if it was absolutely intended, I would have used K....lol
(sorry metrology humor)

dr
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1298 pages ??? WTF?? now this thread has been hijacked about the nuclear fuzz....???

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clappa
putin putin putin putin putin putin putin
Well Said dude, instead of talking about the alien threat that lies within the depths the thread has now morphed - extremophile style into a completely off topic discussion about swamp gas.

Can anyone tell me which of the hundreds of pages the discussion about the thread title stopped so I can go back to the most recent dialogue, rather than reading about thread hijackers and their opines which should be moved to another thread, or taken to a motel.

stfu
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Science Wednesday: Tox21’s 10,000 Compound List
Posted on December 14th, 2011 - 10:30 AM

But... of years

Only the list is slightly more robust than ten—it’s a 10,000 compound library.

The Tox21 (or another AGENDA 21 program)...and Development.

more at source link:
[link to blog.epa.gov]

hf
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good creepy find
it would take years to go thru that list

dr
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Actually ordinary water is not so ordinary after all.It changes heat transfer properties at certain temperatures, As it drops in temperature, it reduces in volume as any liquid does, until it freezes when it then expands. Unlike many liquids it does not become more viscous as it approaches its freezing point. Conversely, it will never raise past 100°C as it will just boil. Amazing properties for an amazing compound. And it is a key ingredient in beer, something which is enjoyed worldwide.
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and vodka!!!

it is one of the few that expand, as you said, at freezing
and because it is also "the universal solvent" can have its properties twisted greatly with "impurities"

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[Hey ma-man, how are ya?

Would be nice to see this thread crack 1300 by 2012.

Need some old school players to jump back on for a bit and post some stuff./]


The problem being that most of the Old School Players are banned. Or got disgusted and went somewhere else.
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true that

back from 4 month permaban....lol

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Metal undergoes novel transition under extreme pressure

Under extreme pressures and temperatures, one of the main metals of the Earth's interior has exhibited a never-before-seen transition.
[link to www.bbc.co.uk]


hf
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in supercritical form any material can be changed to conducting, or non, as well as its density
additionaly, its surface tension becomes very close to nothing

also, all, repete, ALL metals can become superconductors given enought cooling

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On this first article, I had no more than finished commenting to my aide this very same response and how it reminded me of the article I posted earlier this month...

Comet Lovejoy's Survival

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please check the link, so little was posted that I'm concerned about staying within the guidelines. Sorry:(

edit to ask about this first statement: Kreutz mentioned frozen, and (or giant snowball). How could the water survive the heat of the Sun and not vaporize? It did form a new tail though. hmmm Just like to hear what others think on this.The comet survived because of the larger electromagnetic charge on it compared to smaller comets heading toward the sun(Kreutz Comets). The charge is + and is repelled by the + charge of the sun's surface.
[link to www.allvoices.com]

Wow, just wow. It felt good that someone else had the same thoughts that I did. lol

I also read the comet will be seen from the northern hemisphere later in January.

So, in keeping with the spirit of the holiday season, here are some more articles about the birthday comet, each offering a variety of information.

COMET LOVEJOY IN THE MORNING:
Noted astronomer John Bortle urges observers (especially in the southern hemisphere) to "begin searching for Comet Lovejoy's bright tail projecting up out of the morning twilight beginning at dawn. The tails of some of the major sungrazing comets have been extraordinarily bright.

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UPDATE: This morning in New Zealand, Minoru Yoneto photographed the ghostly tail of Comet Lovejoy shining through the twilight:
[link to spaceweather.com]


Comet Lovejoy Plunges into the Sun and Survives

[link to science.nasa.gov]


Surprising Comet Lovejoy Now Becoming Merry and Bright

[link to www.universetoday.com]

And, for those who enjoy the sounds of the holiday, I kind of liked these. In one song, someone whistles for a short time, and when I heard that, it suddenly took me back to my childhood when my father would whistle to tunes or as he worked. Happiness to all:)

Xmas music
[link to www.youtube.com]


hf
 Quoting: Isis7


because, as phase change takes place from cold to hot, more energy leaves with the liberated molecule than it took to freeze it...this is proven in the 1800's when liquid H was first made
hows that work vs conservation of energy???
opps, digressed, never mind...lol

you have superheated gas, made by evaporating(for lack of a better term), being produced from frozen matter and trasnformed into plasma (multiple latient heat transitions)

that produced its propulsion via super critical "hyperplasma"

sure would be interesting to have before and after mass values
(newton rolls repeatedly in his coffin)

just a theory, not mainstream, :)

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the term calibrators could be being used is because a critical relationship between temp and pressure must be maintained

calibrators could be nothing more than a means to measure the temp and pressure.

now the world leader in measurement tools for extreme uses is a company called schlumberger, out of france, with massive world wide presence.

so, now let us digress and remember it was deepwater horizon that originally brought us here

very good article here:

[link to www.picassodreams.com]

"On May 19th Reuters ran a story about employees of Shlumberger leaving the rig of the Deepwater Horizon the very same day of the catastrophe."

"So, if Schlumberger had not even publicly acknowledged being there until speaking with Reuters, it strongly suggests that the people discussing this information in the days prior to the Reuters article did have some information that the rest of us do not."

a bit of food fot thought.....

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AWWWWWSOME !!!! 5a


DR, do you think that critical water has been deployed or used in Japan and their reactors ?
 Quoting: Krispy71


the only way to produce super critical water as we know it is with high pressures and high temps, so being as the reactors are open ...aka atmospheric pressure...probably not a chance

but, as stated earlier, if other stuff was disolved in the water, all bets are off

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--snip--

if you notice, the definition starts to sound more like a catchall of basicly "its when not a solid, liquid or gas", and now they start using the terms charged particles aka energy

why is charge omitted in our basic phases? does it suddenly happen? obviously not

(recently it was found rainwater actually has a charge)
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I think that EVERYTHING has CHARGE.
Becoz of charge it is visable or detectable.

Everything that has trans-formed into a STATE, are charged molecules in a formation, creating an other charge, and again and again ... Atoms, cells, organs, biologic walking vessel or plant or stone etc.. are all stages of charge.
And thats why [with NASA-technology] it is possible to read the charge of organs and parts of your body, and learn if they are healthy or not.


now, has anyone ever seen an enthalpy/phase chart

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I believe that these are poor because they omit charge, which I believe, is because we have not properly defined temp. Think about the temp/heat/transfer relationship

my personal opinion is that phases of matter could be defined much better if we used pressure, temp, charge/energy, and a changing "constant" that I have termed "rotation" (for lack a a fancier term), then map the numbers in 3d. this would give us a chart that looks more like a 4 sided die (D&D anyone...lol) then each phase would be a side of the die. the closer to an edge changes the matter more towards the phase on the next side

now, you may ask, where does this get us?

first the periodic table would become obsolete, as every atom AND molecule could be defined in 4 vectors
each would be IMHO unique
 Quoting: dr


Interresting :)


now, if "residual background energy" on earth increased it could cause physical changes in matter its self...
the question is how much energy causes a change?
 Quoting: dr


Every bit of energy that is outside a specific range .. outside the box that the subject can handle .. changes the subject.


with matter charted like I said, it could be accurately predicted

now we have found out that solar flares may change radiation half life, so possibly maybe not as much as one would think.

now, how much energy would be required to change your DNA?
radiation does, thats what cause cancers, as does the sun.
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As for lifeforms using CONSIOUNESS, this is an important 'thing' that determines wheter the lifeform's DNA will change and in what rate and outcome.
Then we have the Consiousness ala person, and the Consiousness ala whole/grid/morphogenetic field. This field enables other lifeforms also to up-grade/de-grade.

If we believe that the sun cauzes canser, the rate of people develloping canser will be higher then of people who believe the sun is healing coz it is increasing our amount of MELANIN [Melanin and Melatonin balance is important] which protects against radiation (think about radiation-triving-high'melanin-fungi in Chernobyl) ...

It is only logical that the overload on energy [in multiple states of matter and phases] are needed in this Galactic Event that is taking place.
If we would not have been where we are now (fluffy, ribbon, galactic cloud, allignment, etc ..) then we would have long 'failed' under the same circumstances, then we would have been burned-out/overloaded.
But this is not the case and the extra energy is converted into multiple events and happenings on multiple levels of existance [in our body's, in technology, in geo changes, thermal changes/volcano's, mental changes, etc ..]
At this point of our trip there is no exes, no charge, that is not used by Earth or the Solarsystem.


I don't know, but I am always left with more questions than answers. and for the record, I am building a phase study bench in my shop to study this stuff (I can go to 40,000 psi, and 300-500F, and have 2 window cells good to 10,000 psi) I just have to get my house remodeling done first or my wife will kill me...lol

thanks for the space to ramble, feel free to debunk...lol

dr
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..lol.. Goodluck ;)


Your rambles are great ! keep m comming !
 Quoting: Krispy71


agreed with all
and God enlightens us as the path to follow
our eyes just need to be open thru concenseness
(not asleep at the wheel...lol)

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K, you might find this interesting.

RIP

Carl Sagan's wife Lynn Margulis died just the other day, very close to the anniversary of her Husband's death.

"Lynn Margulis, who has died aged 73, was a microbiologist whose work on the origin of cells transformed the study of evolution; with James Lovelock, she also developed the "Gaia theory" of Earth as a vast self-regulating system.

It was Lynn Margulis’s expertise in microbes that led her, in the mid-Seventies, to the British atmospheric chemist James Lovelock, who had come to suspect that living organisms had a greater effect on the atmosphere than was commonly recognised. Together they proposed a theory that Earth itself — its atmosphere, the geology and the organisms that inhabit it — is a self-regulating system in which living organisms help to regulate the terrestrial and atmospheric conditions that make the planet habitable.

In particular they suggested that plankton act as a living thermostat, helping to regulate global temperature; that bogs and peat lands affect glaciers as the organisms within them release and absorb greenhouse gases; and that colonies of bacteria and other microbes in tidal mud flats process enough salt to help keep ocean salinity fairly constant. It was Lovelock who suggested they call their hypothesis Gaia, after the ancient Greek goddess of the Earth.

Though advancing such theories exposed her to enormous hostility from within the scientific community, she came to be regarded as one of the most creative and respected researchers of her generation.

In the 1960s Lynn Margulis became convinced that, while Darwin had successfully proved that all species of living things are descended from earlier ones, neither he nor his followers had ever satisfactorily explained the source of the variation that gives rise to new species.

She began focusing on the evolution of eukaryotic cells — cells containing a nucleus (a membraned envelope enclosing chromosomes), and organelles (which are distinct structures that perform such functions as photosynthesis). While it was well known that a nucleus contains DNA, Lynn Margulis focused on the genes which exist outside the nucleus, to find a clue to how the earliest bacteria-like cells could have evolved into more complex organisms.

She resurrected a long-ignored idea that the organelles within eukaryotes were once free-living bacteria that had once invaded other bacterial forms. First these were parasites; then they became “symbionts”, providing services for their hosts in return for a protective environment; finally they were fully integrated into their hosts’ biological make-up as organelles.

Lynn Margulis’s theory of “symbiogenesis” challenged the Neo-Darwinist consensus by suggesting that inherited variation does not come, or does not come exclusively, from random genetic mutation but from long-lasting interaction between organisms.

At first the idea met with scorn: her findings were rejected by 15 academic journals and grant applications were brusquely rebuffed. The response to one application was: “Your research is crap. Don’t ever bother to apply again.”

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]


Well, I for one thank her for her contributions. hf
 Quoting: BHD 1501341


wow...RIP

dr