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damned Wow .. pee-ka-booh indeed ..lol..
Hi Aco.
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These are the creatures clogging that nuclear station :
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Goo-gle images gives perfect and beautifull examples, but the link is to long to post here.
If you wanna see the little workers just have a try yourselves. You wont be disappointed :)


Wiki :
transparent, tubular, gelatinous animals that are typically between 1 and 10 centimetres (0.39 and 3.9 in) tall.

a single barrel-shaped animal that reproduces asexually by producing a chain of tens to hundreds of individuals, which are released from the parent at a small size. The chain of salps is the aggregate portion of the life cycle. The aggregate individuals are also known as blastozooids; they remain attached together while swimming and feeding, and each individual grows in size. Each blastozooid in the chain reproduces sexually (the blastozooids are sequential hermaphrodites, first maturing as females, and are fertilized by male gametes produced by older chains), with a growing embryo oozoid attached to the body wall of the parent. The growing oozoids are eventually released from the parent blastozooids, then they continue to feed and grow as the solitary asexual phase, thus closing the life cycle of salps.

When there is plenty of food, salps can quickly bud off clones, which graze the phytoplankton and can grow at a rate which is probably faster than any other multicellular animal, quickly stripping the phytoplankton from the sea. But if the phytoplankton is too dense, the salps can clog and sink to the bottom. During these blooms, beaches can become slimy with mats of salp bodies
Sinking fecal pellets and bodies of salps carry carbon to the sea floor, and salps are abundant enough to have an effect on the ocean's biological pump. Consequently, large changes in their abundance or distribution may alter the ocean's carbon cycle, and potentially play a role in climate change.

Although salps appear similar to jellyfish because of the simple body form and planktonic behavior, they are structurally most closely related to vertebrates, animals with true backbones.
Salps appear to have a form preliminary to vertebrates, and are used as a starting point in models of how vertebrates evolved. Scientists speculate that the tiny groups of nerves in salps are one of the first instances of a primitive nervous system, which eventually evolved into the more complex central nervous systems of vertebrates.[3]


Salps are common in equatorial, temperate, and cold seas, where they can be seen at the surface, singly or in long, stringy colonies. The most abundant concentrations of salps are in the Southern Ocean (near Antarctica). Here they sometimes form enormous swarms, often in deep water, and are sometimes even more abundant than krill.[2] Since 1910, while krill populations in the Southern Ocean have declined, salp populations appear to be increasing.
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One of the questions in this riddle is :
What attracts Salp to nuclear plants ?
Whats there to find or to do ?



[link to www.divediscover.whoi.edu]
Salps are gelatinous, tube-shaped animals that live in all oceans. Like krill, salps eat phytoplankton, so they often compete for the same food. Salps feed by pumping water through their hollow bodies and sieving phytoplankton out with an internal filter net.


What benefit is there for their hollow boddies and internal filtering net at the filters of nuclear plants ?


In the last thirty years, scientists have observed an overall decrease in the numbers of krill and an increase in numbers of salps in the waters surrounding Antarctica. The shift in abundances of these animals may be related to changes in the amount of sea ice around Antarctica, which is in turn affected by global climate. More ice may favor the krill, because they can feed on algae growing under the ice. Less ice may favor salps, which swim and feed in open water.

No ice at nuclear plants ...
Do they FEED on something in those filters ?
To me it is highly unthinkable that a strong wind/current could be the only reason these critters are brought to specific nuclear plants their systems.
Is there probably a reason/a trigger that attracts them ? A vibration ? A maintenance state or change ?


Salps are too fragile to catch alive in nets, so researchers will collect them by scuba diving.

If they are too FRAGILE to be caught in NETS ... what the heck are they doing in FILTERS of a highly toxic enviroment like a nuclear plant ????


Back on board the ship, biologists will keep salps in cold seawater in specially designed tanks to measure how much phytoplankton they eat in a day, and how much they grow. Some of the scientists will study how the salps’ filter feeding mechanism works, and which phytoplankton cells are most nutritious for them. Researchers will also measure salp metabolic rates to see how much food is required for the population to thrive. In addition to mapping the distribution and abundance of salp populations, scientists will also measure their vertical migration through the water column—a pattern of behavior that causes them to swim up to the surface at night and back to deep water during the day. The causes of this daily migration by salps are still a mystery.

Isnt the water at nuclear plant-filters [relatively] WARM ???
Could some metabolic features be benefitting from nuclear water ??



The VERTICAL MIGRATION PATTERN !!!!

Remember OP/Aco talking about the organism moving in "vertical spagetti-like colloms" ...

We just learned from WIKI that these SALPS move and live in long chains [producing an aggregate chain of tens to hundreds of individuals ... they remain attached together while swimming and feeding]

OP/Aco also talked about "surfacing" of the organism ... just like the salps do ...

This poses the next question :
How closely is AUgie related to these Salps ?
Like we learned NOT a JELLYFISH but more closely related to the ancestors of the VERTEBATE ... and thus HUMANS ...
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hi

This just in from NSF

Gulf Oil Spill: Scientists Develop New Model for Deep-water Oil Spills
Call for a "whole new type" of marine ecology
[link to www.nsf.gov]

hf
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hi

This just in from NSF

Gulf Oil Spill: Scientists Develop New Model for Deep-water Oil Spills
Call for a "whole new type" of marine ecology
[link to www.nsf.gov]

hf
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Nice Isis.


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"We have generally hailed the use of [chemical] dispersants as helpful, but are basing this on the fact that we seemed to have kept oil from getting to the surface," said co-author Gary Cherr of the University of California, Davis Bodega Marine Lab.

"The truth is that much of this oil probably was staying at depth independent of the amount of surfactants we dumped into the ocean. "And we dumped a lot of dispersants into the ocean, all told approximately one-third the global supply."

Co-author Ron Tjeerdema, an environmental toxicologist at UC Davis, concurs. "The problem is that we must address the downside of such compounds, particularly in light of the fact that the upside probably was not as great as it seemed at the time," he said.

Armed with a new foundation for research and policy implications, the scientists are calling for further investigation on the long-term effects of deep-water oil spills like that of the Deepwater Horizon.

"We now have a sense that the bulk of the effects were probably in the mid-water and deep ocean," said the paper's lead author, Charles "Pete" Peterson of the University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill. "We need an integrated collaboration among deep-water explorers, modelers, ecotoxicologists, microbial ecologists and others. All working together in unprecedented ways.

"We need a whole new type of marine ecology."
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Hmmmm ... scratching

! SALP is also an acronym :
Systematic Assessment of Licensee Performance
[link to www.acronymfinder.com]

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission's SALP reports on the ...
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[link to www.apmex.com]
[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]
[link to phys.org]
[link to www.astrobio.net]
[link to www.nasa.gov]
[link to spaceweather.com]
[link to rsd.gsfc.nasa.gov]
[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]
[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
[link to umtof.umd.edu]
[link to sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov]
[link to www.ips.gov.au]
[link to solarimg.org]
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
[link to hisz.rsoe.hu]
[link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov]
[link to grb.sonoma.edu]
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Power plants of all types (not just nuclear plants) that draw cooling water from bodies of water adversely affect aquatic organisms in three primary ways: thermally by heating the water, by entrainment where small fish and fish larva are sucked into the cooling system and are injured as they pass through, and by impingement where fish are injured by the plant’s intake but not sucked though the cooling system.
[link to thisweekinnuclear.com]
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Wonder if these jellies are attracted to the lower vibrational fields around these nuke plants? Just a thought.
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Okay here I think I have found a correlation
between nuclear plants water-systems and the salps :


In water column and sediment inocula from a nuclear reactor cooling reservoir, natural phytoplankton substrate labeled with 14C was used to determine aerobic and anaerobic mineralization rates for a range of temperatures (25, 40, 55, and 70°C) expected during reactor operation. For experiments that were begun during reactor shutdown, aerobic decomposition occurred at temperatures of <55°C. After 2 months of reactor operation, aerobic rates increased substantially at 55 and 70°C, although maximum rates were observed at temperatures of .40'C. The temperature range for which maximum anaerobic mineralization (i.e., the sum of
CH4 and C02) was observed was 25 to 40°C when the reactor was off, expanding to 25 to 55°C during reactor operation. Increased rates at 55°C, but not 70°C, correlated with an increase in the ratio of cumulative methane to carbon dioxide produced over 21 days. When reduced reactor power lowered the maximum temperature of the reservoir to 42°C, aerobic decomposition at 70°C was negligible, but remained substantial at 55°C. Selection for thermophilic decomposers occurred rapidly in this system in both aerobic and anaerobic communities and did not require prolonged exposure to elevated temperatures.

[link to aem.asm.org]



Now wiki said something about Salps and Carbon dioxide !


And here is an article :
Salp Feeding in the Oceans Removes Carbon Dioxide

On 9 August 2010 Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) released some new findings about the feeding behaviour of salps, and the way they might influence carbon dioxide levels in the ocean. They can feed on much smaller plants than was previously thought, and they effectively lock up carbon in their faecal pellets.

It now seems that particles as small as 0.5 microns (small enough to pass through the mesh) can be captured. They simply stick to the mucus. These small particles are similar in size to the tiny phytoplankton, and by eating them the salps play an important role in cycling carbon.
Salps extract the nutrients they need, then package the waste in large, dense faecal pellets. As Sutherland points out: “This removes carbon from the surface waters, and brings it to a depth where you won’t see it again for years to centuries.”


Read more at Suite101: [link to www.suite101.com]


Now maybe I am on a wrong track,
and my knowledge about the nuclear cooling-water systems and their filters is not great ....
but there HAS to be a reason why jelly's and Salps are attracted to those waters in certain stages of opperation [of reactors] at those nuclear plants.

It could be a sonic sound [oscillations] ...
it could be the rate of decomposition of injured and deceased fish in those filters

Could [at certain conditions at those plants] phytoplankton be triggered to bloom ? and thus atracting the salps ? Making the population bloom and ultimately sink to the oceans floor with all the carbon stored in their internals ...

wiki:
When phytoplankton is abundant, this rapid reproduction leads to fairly short-lived blooms of salps, which eventually filter out most of the phytoplankton. The bloom ends when there is no longer enough food to sustain the enormous population of salps.

When there is plenty of food, salps can quickly bud off clones, which graze the phytoplankton and can grow at a rate which is probably faster than any other multicellular animal, quickly stripping the phytoplankton from the sea. But if the phytoplankton is too dense, the salps can clog and sink to the bottom. During these blooms, beaches can become slimy with mats of salp bodies, and other planktonic species can experience fluctuations in their numbers due to competition with the salps.

Sinking fecal pellets and bodies of salps carry carbon to the sea floor, and salps are abundant enough to have an effect on the ocean's biological pump. Consequently, large changes in their abundance or distribution may alter the ocean's carbon cycle, and potentially play a role in climate change.


Now thinking on that some more,
then I see a clear picture that the electromagnetic field(s) at and around waste-water systems and cooling-water-systems could be changed,
just like the field around SUBS equipped with D.E.D.-coating ...
I just recently read somewhere that when the EM-field of an atom is changed, that it changes the atom also.
So what does EM-field alterations do to microscopic organisms [in water] ???
Probably such a field-change influences the conditions of 'bloom or not to bloom' ... since ALL LIFE is a composition of electro and magnetic fields and matter forming a matrix in which a lifeform can manifest.

Wiki told us that Salps have a NERVOUS SYSTEM ... (and that they are the ancestors of vertebrae species)...
isnt or arnt nervous systems and synapses responding to electro-magnetical pulses in our body ??

If SPLASHZONES are areas where reality is changed/altered,
then I asume that they are also Electro-Magnetical of nature ...
thus triggering the nerval systems of Earth herself, and on a later stage those of all life equiped with nervous systems !

It could be that 'nuclear power plants' and 'nuclear subs, specially with DED/D.D' (and many other facilities) are mimicking the conditions of cosmic synapses, deep-space sysnapses, communication synapses ... working in the quantum fields of science, listening to quantum laws ...


How Bezerk would it be to boldly think that splashzones are cosmic points where synapses are occuring just like information is transmitted and transported in our nervous system ?
That would make AUgie a conductor, a tool to make transport easier/smoother.
The funny thing is that this was proposed also pages ago ...lol.. with the postings about liquid crystal fluids in our body and organism !

(Are You a Polyphasic Liquid Crystal? [link to liamscheff.com] )

Here an other example that EM-fields can manipulate/influence nervous systems:

Nervous system manipulation by electromagnetic fields from monitors US Patent #6,506,148
“SUMMARY: Computer monitors and TV monitors can be made to emit weak low-frequency electromagnetic fields merely by pulsing the intensity of displayed images. Experiments have shown that the 1/2 Hz sensory resonance can be excited in this manner in a subject near the monitor. The 2.4 Hz sensory resonance can also be excited in this fashion. Hence, a TV monitor or computer monitor can be used to manipulate the nervous system of nearby people.”
“It is thus apparent that the human nervous system can be manipulated by screen emissions from subliminal TV image pulses.”
The human nervous system controls everything from breathing and producing digestive enzymes, to memory and intelligence. (Human Nervous System)


Though this is about "monitors" the same goes for every facility that emits EM-frequencies or alters them -like subs- ...
It isnt hard to believe that swarms of jelly's or salp-like organisms are attracted and/or influenced by these fields around subs and nuclear plants just like monitors are influencing us.


What do we BEZERKERS think about this ?



xxx MzK
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Wonder if these jellies are attracted to the lower vibrational fields around these nuke plants? Just a thought.
 Quoting: Cosmos5491 15097660


colorbump

Exactly Cosmos !!!
I think we think along the same lines hf

You posted that while I was making my post ... lol...
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[link to phys.org]
[link to www.space.com]
[link to www.businessweek.com]
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[link to www.cbc.ca]
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[link to solarimg.org]
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"NexusEditor's account has been perma-banned. His membership fees were refunded via PayPal by GLP, with no explanation as to why. His account still exists at GLP, but GLP is not granting him access to it."
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hi


Where Do the Highest-Energy Cosmic Rays Come From? Probably Not from Gamma-Ray Bursts
The IceCube Collaboration, in which Berkeley Lab is a crucial contributor, has taken the first steps toward clearing up a cosmic mystery – and made the mystery more intriguing

[link to newscenter.lbl.gov]
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An ice cave beneath a glacier:


[link to news.yahoo.com]
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Press Release 12-075
Blood Samples Show Deadly Frog Fungus at Work in the Wild
[link to www.nsf.gov]
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I have seen the light. I apologize to all here I may have offended while I was being so blind and ignorant....esp Krispy. I will tell all who are interested in my findings. I wish it hadnt taken me so long....or come to this.peace
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I have seen the light. I apologize to all here I may have offended while I was being so blind and ignorant....esp Krispy. I will tell all who are interested in my findings. I wish it hadnt taken me so long....or come to this.peace
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No problem, welcome back GULFIE.

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I have seen the light. I apologize to all here I may have offended while I was being so blind and ignorant....esp Krispy. I will tell all who are interested in my findings. I wish it hadnt taken me so long....or come to this.peace
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you have the floor....speak!
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I have seen the light. I apologize to all here I may have offended while I was being so blind and ignorant....esp Krispy. I will tell all who are interested in my findings. I wish it hadnt taken me so long....or come to this.peace
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... this will be interesting. I like the 'ie' better than the 'er'.

- ooops, I'm not here. (or there) Oh this is just getting too confusing.

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Hey BHD !

hf

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Hey BHD !

hf

popcorn
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Psst... [whispers] I'm not really here. But HI Doobs!

Just look at this shiney aluminium stick I'm holding, right at the top of it.... bling!

[I've stolen half your popcorn, but you're OK with it]
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I have seen the light. I apologize to all here I may have offended while I was being so blind and ignorant....esp Krispy. I will tell all who are interested in my findings. I wish it hadnt taken me so long....or come to this.peace
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Everybody knows that already, LOl, I bet she saw the very dark side of Acolyte and what he is really about. bump
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You'd think I'm the least likely to spring to his defense .. but remember what he was tasked to do, and how he was tasked to do it. He's never deviated from what he was briefed to do, and has always pushed and defended that perspective.

How he's gone about doing that has rubbed many up the wrong way, but none of us would be here had he not presented the info in the first place, across multiple threads, - and continued it elsewhere - all be it off reservation.

It's all perspectives. Do with the info what you wish, follow up what ever gels with your own thoughts, throw it out there and see what others think.

No-one's right or wrong, - until the day you stand there, finger extended at the Draco fleet commander, and he makes the organism dissolve you where you stand.
Then some quick revison might be required! LOL.

That was a pretty big gesture I thought, Aco' popping in, especially considering the post he backed - was from Krispy.

- there's hope for the planet yet. hf

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Atta boy BHD. That attitude will take you far. Yes, I believe there is hope for us too.

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HI Isis, O8, BHD hf

HI Gulfie.
Tnx, its okay.
Like AC said : The floor is yours, and this thread is open to all kinds of thoughts that we agree with, disagree with and the mixes inbetween :)

personally I dont think this thread is the place to spill the personal beans about why and how you have come to this decision. Lets keep it clean to speculations about BEZERKnesses ;)

If you wanna vent some words, there's always our mailboxes hf But never feel obliged to anything.

Anyone is welcommed back (tmo)




@ BHD
No, Aco was not responding to ME, but to the info that was posted.
Thats a difference ;)
Imo, he thought the INFO/TOPIC of post was IMPORTANT and not who posted it.

I like and agree that everyone should do and pick up whatever info and tidbits that resonate with them, even if others think in other directions.

In one thing I have an slightly different opinion, and that is that YES Aco started this, but WE (as a whole, as an -information- organism) made it to a working machine with our dedication and our passion and knowledge. We ALL did that togeter ... and Aco was/is just part of that, no more no less.
Yes, Aco did what he thought was right ...
We all did at certain points of this journey. No one to blame. Its okay, its the past.

I like clarity and I dont like games. I like puzzles but I dont like deceptions. I like Bezerkness.


Welcome back all.
Lets join our forces again, and see what we can find and understand :)


xxx MzK
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An ice cave beneath a glacier:


[link to news.yahoo.com]
 Quoting: Isis7


Wohoooow Isis ... STUNNING !!!

taken in Skaftafell, Iceland, deep underneath a glacier in an ice cave.


I also like this breathtaking sungazing jelly :
[link to ngm.nationalgeographic.com]

Jellyfish Cotylorhiza tuberculata drifting just beneath the surface looking for capturing the first sunrays to trigger their symbiotic algae to produce energy for it.
Location: Mar Menor coastal lagoon, Murcia province, Spain

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hi


Where Do the Highest-Energy Cosmic Rays Come From? Probably Not from Gamma-Ray Bursts
The IceCube Collaboration, in which Berkeley Lab is a crucial contributor, has taken the first steps toward clearing up a cosmic mystery – and made the mystery more intriguing

[link to newscenter.lbl.gov]
 Quoting: Isis7


ICECUBE only focusses on 1 of the 3 types of neutrino's : Muons


snip from article :
Neutrinos come in three different types that change and mix as they travel to Earth; the total flux can be estimated from the muon neutrinos that IceCube concentrates on. The muons these neutrinos create can travel up to 10 kilometers through the Antarctic ice. Thus many neutrino interactions occur outside the actual dimensions of the IceCube array



The upward moving muons are signals of neutrinos,
the downward muons are debris- or secundary collision products ...
This is a significant difference !

IceCube records a million times more muon tracks moving downward through the ice than upward, mainly debris from direct cosmic-ray hits on the surface or secondary products of cosmic-ray collisions with Earth’s atmosphere. Muons moving upward, however, signal neutrinos that have passed all the way through Earth.




Although the article states that GRB are not the source where neutrino's come from,
we already discussed this in this thread that neutrino's have multiple orgigination points ... including some from the sun.


“According to a leading model, we would have expected to see 8.4 events corresponding to GRB production of neutrinos in the IceCube data used for this search,” says Spencer Klein ... “We didn’t see any, which indicates that GRBs are not the source of ultra-high-energy cosmic rays.”

IceCube researchers sifted through data on 307 GRBs from two periods in 2008 and 2009 when IceCube was still under construction, looking for records of muon trails coincident in time and space with GRBs. ... The fireball model predicted that when the expected flux from all the samples had been summed, at least 8.4 related muon events would be found within 10 degrees of a GRB during the seconds or minutes when it was blazing brightly.

“Different calculations of the neutrino flux from GRBs are based on slightly different assumptions about how the neutrinos are produced and on uncertainties such as how fast the fireball is moving toward us,” says Klein. “Among the published predictions, the lowest estimate of neutrino production is about a quarter of what the fireball model predicts. That’s barely consistent with our zero observations.”

“But remember the other popular model of ultra-high-energy cosmic rays, active galactic nuclei,” says Klein. “GRBs are small, but AGNs are big – great big accelerators that may be able to accelerate particles to very high energies without significant loss.”
Are AGNs the real source of the highest-energy cosmic rays? IceCube has looked for neutrinos from active galactic nuclei, but as yet the data sets are not sensitive enough to set significant limits. For now, IceCube has nothing to say on the subject – beyond the fact that the fireball model of GRBs can’t meet the specs.




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Re: Something Just Went BEZERK in the Gulf of Mexico. The US Navy just sunk a French Submarine
Just received this from NASA:


NASA'S Chandra Sees Remarkable Outburst from Old Black Hole


WASHINGTON -- An extraordinary outburst produced by a black hole in a nearby galaxy has provided direct evidence for a population of old, volatile stellar black holes. The discovery, made by astronomers using NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory, provides new insight into the nature of a mysterious class of black holes that can produce as much energy in X-rays as a million suns radiate at all wavelengths.
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I shared this on Gabe's thread this morning, but for those who may not have checked out his thread, well, it's definitely for bezerk.

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