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Oh, and took a cue from Doom to change my avatar to one of prayer.

I was just gonna say! I noticed it over in the thread about the BOP, ROV what ever the hell else that is coming on line now.

I love the new you!!
Where'd ya find it?



I just googled some free angel and earth images till I found it. Had to resize it to 150 x 150 pixels, but I like it.


It's lovely how she is looking down at the earth. It reminds me of that old pic of the two little children that are crossing a broken bridge over a creek and an angel is behind them, watching over them.

This is it:

[link to img194.imageshack.us]
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I have that picture on my living room wall! It really is a nice one! My mom got it for my hope chest. I think that is what I saw when I chose the avatar pic too.
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You'll notice that I changed my GLP "face" so to speak.

An attitude of prayer is needed now more than ever.


I like it - it's less distracting tounge

Yeah, Bette Paige was getting a little old. I ain't that kind of gurl no more!
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Nothing like facing death and destruction to make a person find their soul, eh? I feel myself transforming a bit too.
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You guys WANT to believe it so much you are blinded.


OP is just leading you guys on, getting off on all the effort you guys are trying to peice it together.
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I learned alot on this thread thanks folks!
On the other hand, I have different fingers.
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I learned alot on this thread thanks folks!

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Me too!
If I had the time I'd make a summary of all the great links provided to the relevant information. There are some pretty big dots and way diverse connections made here...
I think there is more to be learned from these connections too, things not directly associated with GOM, but leading to an even bigger picture... just not sure what it is yet.

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Lots of good info. hf
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It may not be done yet!
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About the Avatar: It is Die Wasserturm (The Watertower)in Mannheim Germany a local landmark.I used to make wishes on it as a kid. It seems to come through for me still.
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Can't help but wonder if the OP is putting the finishing touches on his/her psychology thesis right about now. That would be a good one. Immoral as hell, but a good thesis.
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live link to op's vid cam:

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Can't help but wonder if the OP is putting the finishing touches on his/her psychology thesis right about now. That would be a good one. Immoral as hell, but a good thesis.
 Quoting: Housedad


Or, it could be something like this:



(or, also, nothing on the 14th because it was Bastille Day)
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Thank you , Enid, for bumping the thread up again.

Every little bit helps!


Enid left us a little message there Doom...

WEAREFUCKEDOMGOP...

yep.



Is Enid's User Name, something too ?
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Enid B had a UK flag next to their name, so i'm guessing it's a play on Enid Blyton, a famous author in the UK many years ago, who used to write children's stories, one series was called "The Famous Five", who used to solve mysteries while on holiday from school. I think Enid B may well be taking the piss out of you.
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OP you are letting us down cool2
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I can assure you that venezuelan air force planes would have a very hard time trying to reach the GOM. venezuela's airforce has gone to shit (like everything else Hugo Chavez touches). It consists of a few decrepit F16 and some recently acquired second hand Russian shit: sukhoi fighters and helicopters (2 of witch have already crashed.)



Thank you very much Venezuela for your post. The four planes being from your country makes no sense at all.

Mix that with the "Her Majesty's" scuttled sub that China is supposed to have rescued and retrofitted and what do we have?

We have an attempt to pull in unassociated countries to the GOM incident.

Now, wouldn't it be interesting if OP's video is that of a kamakazi sub on the seabed with "Her Majesty" of whatever on it and the msm stories have already been planted that "China has one of Her Majesty's subs." China might explained they "gave" the sub to NK. My kids when they were little and I'd get on to them for something, often would tell me, "The dog did it."
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Hello Peepz,

This above reminded my to the story from 9/11 Pentagon hit by a "plane" ...
Several withnesses saw a big jet flying over some claimed even they saw people waving out of the planewindows (I dont believe that). Investigations let to the conclusion that their could NOT have been such a big plane coz then the people in the cars on the road would have been blown away, and the trees and roadlights. Also on the feed from that security camera (parkinglot) it looked more like a big missile or a very small plane that unrecognisable rushed by. Lateron pieces of wreck were found that proved that it was painted over "to look like a bigger civilian plane" ...
People thought that it was a big plane coz the colors and the logo were that of a big plane, but it was a small plane or missile ! TRICKS ! Psycological DECEPTION !

So : they can make whatever look like whatever they want !
If f16's look like Venuzuelans, that does not have to mean they were indeed venuzuelans !!!

TPTB are masters of deception !
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I can assure you that venezuelan air force planes would have a very hard time trying to reach the GOM. venezuela's airforce has gone to shit (like everything else Hugo Chavez touches). It consists of a few decrepit F16 and some recently acquired second hand Russian shit: sukhoi fighters and helicopters (2 of witch have already crashed.)



Thank you very much Venezuela for your post. The four planes being from your country makes no sense at all.

Mix that with the "Her Majesty's" scuttled sub that China is supposed to have rescued and retrofitted and what do we have?

We have an attempt to pull in unassociated countries to the GOM incident.

Now, wouldn't it be interesting if OP's video is that of a kamakazi sub on the seabed with "Her Majesty" of whatever on it and the msm stories have already been planted that "China has one of Her Majesty's subs." China might explained they "gave" the sub to NK. My kids when they were little and I'd get on to them for something, often would tell me, "The dog did it."


Hello Peepz,

This above reminded my to the story from 9/11 Pentagon hit by a "plane" ...
Several withnesses saw a big jet flying over some claimed even they saw people waving out of the planewindows (I dont believe that). Investigations let to the conclusion that their could NOT have been such a big plane coz then the people in the cars on the road would have been blown away, and the trees and roadlights. Also on the feed from that security camera (parkinglot) it looked more like a big missile or a very small plane that unrecognisable rushed by. Lateron pieces of wreck were found that proved that it was painted over "to look like a bigger civilian plane" ...
People thought that it was a big plane coz the colors and the logo were that of a big plane, but it was a small plane or missile ! TRICKS ! Psycological DECEPTION !

So : they can make whatever look like whatever they want !
If f16's look like Venuzuelans, that does not have to mean they were indeed venuzuelans !!!

TPTB are masters of deception !
 Quoting: Krispy71

Interesting.. Venezuela doesn't have any aircraft carriers, and the tactical range of an F-16 is about 500 miles round trip.. to target and back.
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Old news but interesting considering the players........
US Roadblocks re: the Venezuela-Israel F-16 Upgrade: Politics or Protectionism?
26-Oct-2005 10:18 EDT
Related Stories: Alliances, Americas - Other, Americas - USA, Asia - China, Avionics, Europe - Other, Fighters & Attack, Issues - International, Lobbying, Middle East - Israel, Other Corporation, Support & Maintenance


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Citing members of the Israeli defense ministry, the Israeli newspaper Yedidot Aharonot reports that pressure from Washington has now forced Israel to freeze a $100 million contract with Venezuela to upgrade its U.S.-manufactured F-16 fighter jets. The Fuerza Aaerea Venezolana (FAV) had originally purchased the F-16A/B aircraft in 1982. Israel replaces most of the original American equipment inside its F-16s with Israeli-designed electronics and other modules, making companies like Israel Aircraft Industries a viable second source project lead and integrator for F-16 maintenance and upgrade deals.

The recent back and forth between the USA and Israel over defense-related exports came to a head over China’s purchase of Israel’s indigenously-developed Harpy anti-radar UAV and subsequent request for maintenance. By suspending Israel’s participation in the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program, Washington was recently able to pressure Israel into essentially granting the USA veto rights on all Israeli defense exports.

At the time, concern was expressed in some Israeli defense circles that this power would be used for protectionist purposes. Is that the case here?


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Venezuela’s neo-Marxist el Caudillo Hugo Chavez has certainly drawn considerable attention over his open support for the Iranian mullahs’ atomic weapons program, not to mention his own anti-democratic internal practices and violent intimidation of political opponents, alleged cooperation with transnational FARC narco-terrorists, close ties to Cuba, and active fomenting of unrest as far away as Bolivia. On the other hand, Venezuela is one of the USA’s top 5 global suppliers of imported oil and petroleum products.

The Fuerza Aaerea Venezolana (FAV) had originally purchased the F-16A/B aircraft in 1982. Israel replaces most of the original American equipment inside its F-16s with Israeli-designed electronics and other modules, making companies like Israel Aircraft Industries a viable second source project lead and integrator for F-16 maintenance and upgrade deals. As such, they do represent competition for US companies like Lockheed Martin, as well as second tier refurbishment and maintenance specialists.

Scramble has the full Fuerza Aaerea Venezolana order of battle, while FAV-Club details all of Venezuela’s military equipment. Their compilations underline the diversity of the FAV’s supplier base, which includes equipment from Brazil, Canada, Spain, France, Israel, Italy, Netherlands, Russia, and the USA.

In 2002, Israel sold Venezuela’s air force 54 surface-to-air missiles (apparently additional Barak-1s, which the FAV had integrated with Thales Netherlands’ Flycatcher radar in 1999); and in 2004, the FAV received 57 air-to-air missiles (apparently Python 4s, nearly equivalent to the new AIM-9X Sidewinder).

The Christian Science Monitor notes that the USA itself has been issuing permits to US companies to sell the Chavez government small arms, ammunition, tear gas grenades and riot-control gear, and even equipment and spare parts for Venezuela’s F-16s. Russia’s Novosti Press Agency, meanwhile, claims that Venezuela’s interest in MiG-29 Fulcrum light fighters, SU-27 family multi-role fighters, and SU-25 Frogfoot close air support aircraft arises in part because the United States has refused to sell F-16 spare parts.

Who is correct? Perhaps both reports. Acording to the Defense Security Cooperation Agency, public affairs:

The Government of Venezuela has been under Trafficking In Persons (TIP) sanctions since October 1, 2004. As a consequence of that, there have not been any U.S. Foreign Military Sales (FMS) cases entered into since the sanctions became effective. FMS cases entered into before the sanctions became effective are not affected and Venezuela has continued to received defense articles and services from such cases.”

Lockheed did not respond to DID’s query re: whether Venezuela continued to receive F-16 spares under earlier contracts. (UPDATE: A Nov 16, 2005 statement from the US Ambassador to Venezuela admitted that the USA would indeed provide F-16 spares per the contract; until an August 2006 directive firmly ended spare parts sales as well.)

Like their counterparts in many countries, therefore, Israeli companies do business with Chavez’ Venezuela, continuing their pre-Chavez status as a significant military supplier to that country. Yedidot Aharonot reports that senior officials within Israel’s military industries expressed frustration with the latest developments, accusing Washington of bringing pressure to bear for commercial, rather than political reasons. Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz is planning a visit to the Pentagon next month, a ministry spokeswoman confirmed, and is likely to focus on defense deals as a topic of conversation.

DID Op/Ed: Our Take

While DID considers Israel’s protectionist concerns understandable, the extent of Chavez’ belligerence and the level of concern he is raising in his region make it far more likely that recent American efforts are motivated by geopolitics rather than protectionism.

If the Venezuelan F-16 upgrade contract is indeed canceled, we do not forsee any American companies stepping into the void. Support for this belief is strengthened by a Reuters AlertNet report that according to Spain’s ABC newspaper, Washington is also considering blocking the transfer of U.S. technology used in aircraft that Spain had planned to sell to Venezuela.

In short, this has all the hallmarks of a geopolitical weapons supplier squeeze, which makes it very similar to the efforts that America is mounting with respect to China. An effort that, not coincidentally, also sparked real friction between Israel and the USA over arms exports that the USA had once actively encouraged.

The need to avoid stepping on American toes has cost Israel’s arms industry heavily in the past (vid. its canceled $1 billion Phalcon AWACS sale to China, which entailed a $350 million penalty on top of lost revenues), and will likely cost Israel again in future. By reducing the potential scope for Israeli weapons exports, the USA also has the effect of restricting the growth and viability of Israel’s native defense industry, making Israel more dependent on US technology and equipment over the long run.

As long as Israel considers its alliance with the USA to be an anchor of its foreign policy, however, it will simply have to accept this. At best, Defense Minister Mofaz will be able to negotiate clearer boundaries with Washington, so Israeli defense companies do not gain a reputation for unreliability.

The world has become a more dangerous place, and Washington is far more concerned than it used to be about the proliferation of weapons that have the potential to be turned on American forces.

See also:

US Directorate of Defense Trade Controls – Exports of Defense Articles and Services to Venezuela
Chavez’ Bolivaran Military Machine. Describes the organization and composition of Venezuela’s military
Slate (Nov 4/05) – Does that F-16 come With A Warranty? Describes the spare parts/ maintenance items procurement process, initial provisions, and attached restrictions.
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Old news but interesting considering the players........
US Roadblocks re: the Venezuela-Israel F-16 Upgrade: Politics or Protectionism?
26-Oct-2005 10:18 EDT
Related Stories: Alliances, Americas - Other, Americas - USA, Asia - China, Avionics, Europe - Other, Fighters & Attack, Issues - International, Lobbying, Middle East - Israel, Other Corporation, Support & Maintenance


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FAV F-16A
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Citing members of the Israeli defense ministry, the Israeli newspaper Yedidot Aharonot reports that pressure from Washington has now forced Israel to freeze a $100 million contract with Venezuela to upgrade its U.S.-manufactured F-16 fighter jets. The Fuerza Aaerea Venezolana (FAV) had originally purchased the F-16A/B aircraft in 1982. Israel replaces most of the original American equipment inside its F-16s with Israeli-designed electronics and other modules, making companies like Israel Aircraft Industries a viable second source project lead and integrator for F-16 maintenance and upgrade deals.

The recent back and forth between the USA and Israel over defense-related exports came to a head over China’s purchase of Israel’s indigenously-developed Harpy anti-radar UAV and subsequent request for maintenance. By suspending Israel’s participation in the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program, Washington was recently able to pressure Israel into essentially granting the USA veto rights on all Israeli defense exports.

At the time, concern was expressed in some Israeli defense circles that this power would be used for protectionist purposes. Is that the case here?


F-16A (click to view full)
Venezuela’s neo-Marxist el Caudillo Hugo Chavez has certainly drawn considerable attention over his open support for the Iranian mullahs’ atomic weapons program, not to mention his own anti-democratic internal practices and violent intimidation of political opponents, alleged cooperation with transnational FARC narco-terrorists, close ties to Cuba, and active fomenting of unrest as far away as Bolivia. On the other hand, Venezuela is one of the USA’s top 5 global suppliers of imported oil and petroleum products.

The Fuerza Aaerea Venezolana (FAV) had originally purchased the F-16A/B aircraft in 1982. Israel replaces most of the original American equipment inside its F-16s with Israeli-designed electronics and other modules, making companies like Israel Aircraft Industries a viable second source project lead and integrator for F-16 maintenance and upgrade deals. As such, they do represent competition for US companies like Lockheed Martin, as well as second tier refurbishment and maintenance specialists.

Scramble has the full Fuerza Aaerea Venezolana order of battle, while FAV-Club details all of Venezuela’s military equipment. Their compilations underline the diversity of the FAV’s supplier base, which includes equipment from Brazil, Canada, Spain, France, Israel, Italy, Netherlands, Russia, and the USA.

In 2002, Israel sold Venezuela’s air force 54 surface-to-air missiles (apparently additional Barak-1s, which the FAV had integrated with Thales Netherlands’ Flycatcher radar in 1999); and in 2004, the FAV received 57 air-to-air missiles (apparently Python 4s, nearly equivalent to the new AIM-9X Sidewinder).

The Christian Science Monitor notes that the USA itself has been issuing permits to US companies to sell the Chavez government small arms, ammunition, tear gas grenades and riot-control gear, and even equipment and spare parts for Venezuela’s F-16s. Russia’s Novosti Press Agency, meanwhile, claims that Venezuela’s interest in MiG-29 Fulcrum light fighters, SU-27 family multi-role fighters, and SU-25 Frogfoot close air support aircraft arises in part because the United States has refused to sell F-16 spare parts.

Who is correct? Perhaps both reports. Acording to the Defense Security Cooperation Agency, public affairs:

The Government of Venezuela has been under Trafficking In Persons (TIP) sanctions since October 1, 2004. As a consequence of that, there have not been any U.S. Foreign Military Sales (FMS) cases entered into since the sanctions became effective. FMS cases entered into before the sanctions became effective are not affected and Venezuela has continued to received defense articles and services from such cases.”

Lockheed did not respond to DID’s query re: whether Venezuela continued to receive F-16 spares under earlier contracts. (UPDATE: A Nov 16, 2005 statement from the US Ambassador to Venezuela admitted that the USA would indeed provide F-16 spares per the contract; until an August 2006 directive firmly ended spare parts sales as well.)

Like their counterparts in many countries, therefore, Israeli companies do business with Chavez’ Venezuela, continuing their pre-Chavez status as a significant military supplier to that country. Yedidot Aharonot reports that senior officials within Israel’s military industries expressed frustration with the latest developments, accusing Washington of bringing pressure to bear for commercial, rather than political reasons. Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz is planning a visit to the Pentagon next month, a ministry spokeswoman confirmed, and is likely to focus on defense deals as a topic of conversation.

DID Op/Ed: Our Take

While DID considers Israel’s protectionist concerns understandable, the extent of Chavez’ belligerence and the level of concern he is raising in his region make it far more likely that recent American efforts are motivated by geopolitics rather than protectionism.

If the Venezuelan F-16 upgrade contract is indeed canceled, we do not forsee any American companies stepping into the void. Support for this belief is strengthened by a Reuters AlertNet report that according to Spain’s ABC newspaper, Washington is also considering blocking the transfer of U.S. technology used in aircraft that Spain had planned to sell to Venezuela.

In short, this has all the hallmarks of a geopolitical weapons supplier squeeze, which makes it very similar to the efforts that America is mounting with respect to China. An effort that, not coincidentally, also sparked real friction between Israel and the USA over arms exports that the USA had once actively encouraged.

The need to avoid stepping on American toes has cost Israel’s arms industry heavily in the past (vid. its canceled $1 billion Phalcon AWACS sale to China, which entailed a $350 million penalty on top of lost revenues), and will likely cost Israel again in future. By reducing the potential scope for Israeli weapons exports, the USA also has the effect of restricting the growth and viability of Israel’s native defense industry, making Israel more dependent on US technology and equipment over the long run.

As long as Israel considers its alliance with the USA to be an anchor of its foreign policy, however, it will simply have to accept this. At best, Defense Minister Mofaz will be able to negotiate clearer boundaries with Washington, so Israeli defense companies do not gain a reputation for unreliability.

The world has become a more dangerous place, and Washington is far more concerned than it used to be about the proliferation of weapons that have the potential to be turned on American forces.

See also:

US Directorate of Defense Trade Controls – Exports of Defense Articles and Services to Venezuela
Chavez’ Bolivaran Military Machine. Describes the organization and composition of Venezuela’s military
Slate (Nov 4/05) – Does that F-16 come With A Warranty? Describes the spare parts/ maintenance items procurement process, initial provisions, and attached restrictions.
 Quoting: childoflight


Fist thing I saw TIP

One of OP's codes was TIP III or TIP 3 !!!!!!

(OP 5:00 PM this is now very complicated. i dont know how to post this. please give me a few minutes,i need to confirm that this is not a drill, i think my next two post's will be the last two post's on this thread if i can confirm this.)

Could it be this TIP?
[link to www.state.gov]

And were does those 3 I's stand for or the number 3 >>> FOUND IT :
[link to www.state.gov]
There are 2 TIP3 on this site (red dots) the lands are CUBA and THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC.
Where did those DUTCH aircraft came from that that fluw over Venuzuela? The Dutch Antilles ... but I think it has more to do with CUBA which is closes to the GOM ....

This is telling us something guys !!!!

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is this the calm before the storm?
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Nice work Krispy I hope OP comes back to confirm all of this.
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I hope OP comes back to confirm all of this.
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If France has the video evidence, as claimed by our OP, that INTEL is of incalculable value as long as it is kept secret because that permits France to use in diverse ways for its own benefit. Once that INTEL becomes public knowledge, its value is greatly diminished and its use quite limited. IF OP's messages were genuine, and I think they were, then it is best for him to shut up and not confirm anything. I think we benefited wonderfully from our peek into that world of silent running espionage. What an exciting game they play!
Regarding future developments in the GOM, keep in mind that the motto of our new government is "By deceit we wage war." While the nation is focused on those video cams of some low pressure oil flow (set up by the movie guy, Cameron?), we should be watching the deceitist's other hand for the trick.

I'm curious about all the military buildup.
>NATO recently ordered all US naval vessels to evacuate the Gulf
>NATO ordered all NATO critical assets to move 100 miles from coast.
>NATO sending 7,000 Canadian troops to Gulf coast
>NATO ordered 46 US naval warships to Costa Rica, plus 7,000 Marines
>Recent buildup of US navy around Curacao and Aruba
>Haiti has had continuous buildup of US troops, to about 10,000(?)
>USNORTHCOM has 6,000 troops around north Gulf coast
>17,000 State Nat’l Guard troops authorized for use by faux pres in his June 16 speech
>Military presence, activity, and roadblocks in Louisiana has residents nervous.

My opinion is that the increasing military presence is not for evacuations (they didn’t evacuate the Twin Towers did they?), rather to occupy the region AFTER some big event, perhaps a methane explosion, tsunami, nuclear aftermath, biohazard, plague control, quarantine, or ??? Ostensibly, military can help with effects of a catastrophe, caring for wounded and homeless, protecting the weak, keeping the peace, restoring utilities, etc. But, if we keep in mind the countless thousands of plastic coffins, the large order for body bags in Florida, and the statement of faux pres to world leaders at the G8 Summit, it doesn’t appear that the program will be evacuations (read quarantine). fp told the world leaders, “millions will be killed; perhaps tens of millions.” Do you think he was just making small talk or that he might know a secret?
Item: I heard a report that HAARP was cranking up yesterday.
Item: The relief wells are completed, perhaps ready for loading the new thermal pulse nukes.
This thread has been exciting and I've enjoyed the great work so many passionate people have done. Thank you.
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[link to www.fourwinds10.com]

Pictures of shaped charges on deep water horizon.
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I found this on another forum

sorry if this breaks the rules here but this info ties up with some of what the OP has hinted at.

[link to patriotsforamerica.ning.com]

Reply by gresillaud on May 1, 2010 at 8:44am
sorry for my english...

I saw that the Deepwater Horizon explosion happened on April 20th 2010 at 22' in US but on April 21th 2010 at 9' in Zurich (Switzerland). Transocean, the owner of BP Rig has the most important european base in Zug (Switzerland), came into helvetic market exchange for an enormous value (25,000,000,000$). The title Transocean were introduced on April 20th and of day and had to have its first cotation on April 21th, just 3 hours after the explosion !
Hazard...? Not at all !
The explosion above ocean ground of Louisiane couldn't be a military attack from a very far submarine.

The April 20th event that is becoming an huge natural damage and probably and new market crise, can be a reply from an another recently event : 2010, January 12th in Haiti.

I was warned twice, by military french and CIA environnment, before the earthquake, that it will happen a very murderer towny earthquake in the world. We didn't know the place, we though it was Teheran or Iran town, but just 12 hours before the event we learnt that it will arrive immediatly (The day before). A french submarine were on the carabain sea for many days before for observation.

BP oil destruction is a reply from France and Europe for Haiti US nowadays control ?
Or another way to explain easily a second economic break ?

Just see the seismic precise data of all the events !


The Deepwater Horizon explosion was not normal. It was very hard and unbelievied for BP and Halliburton workers.
They couldn't arrive to stop the big spill anyway because the damage were very hard.

But BP have to deal with US goverment.
If BP says it is an attack, you will have the same trauma than in 9-11.
If BP tells that Europe is behind or that another group (like those who use financial paradise Caiman) is guilty, another levels of truth will climb : truth on 9-11 that German and French know very well like all the world, truth on Haiti earthquake origin (seismic weapon based on underground waves - not Haarp).
For the 9-11 truth, USA have another thing against France, Germany and Russia (AZF-Toulouse explosion of 2001-9-21) where European secret scientific network relied on Military french CEA, prepared new electromagnetic weapons. ( [link to www.azf-10h18.com)]
For Haiti, the knowledge came only from seismic anormal details and almost from spy previous informations.
But these terrible murder came probably from US special forces and used the seismic weapon blackmail against Teheran.
Chavez had those informations from Vatican, not from Russia but he didn't know the new seismic underground weapons. France, Russia and USA have those weapons. They use seismic coda with micro-seismic repeated and directive pulls. More than 1000 miles away across the ground and seismic target can be reached.

USA have one of this base in Europe in a zone between Switzerland and Austria with special entrance in Liechstenstein. But another ones can be in former californian military bases for example. Atmospheric Haarp project are only mesure system not offensive. All in the ground... and also under rig !

France made experimenation of seismic weapon from the 90' , one of the purpose of Pacific nuclear tests in 1995 and 1996 hide new seismic weapons tests.

The conspiracy is very far behind the new weapon international challenge !
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Coolies, Thanks Krispy.

I want to point something out on the lastpost the OP made, he said basically he thought this was a drill,and now he's worried it might be real?


[link to www.fourwinds10.com]
This is what Op is talking about.


I sent the photo's and I found the source to someone who is intophotography for him to look at, so we'll see in the next day or so.Big waves for everyone, and hugs to you.

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Ok, last night, me and the"guy" talked and I pointed out an oddity to him and he concurredwith me. On the photos, the hatches are above the the ridge ofmetal on the side of the leg, on the Fourwinds article, the picwith the highlighted square stating the "doors" are open(whilewater is splashing), is way too low (below the ridge of metal). Asin by about ten feet. So we both agree it's a debunked article. Istill cringe, knowing there are dead people on that platform,husbands and sons. God rest they're souls.Here are a few more references I used for photo's. [link to www.bairdmaritime.com]
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I found this on another forum

sorry if this breaks the rules here but this info ties up with some of what the OP has hinted at.

[link to patriotsforamerica.ning.com]

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sorry for my english...

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The conspiracy is very far behind the new weapon international challenge !
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interesting find that
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I found this on another forum

sorry if this breaks the rules here but this info ties up with some of what the OP has hinted at.

[link to patriotsforamerica.ning.com]

Reply by gresillaud on May 1, 2010 at 8:44am
sorry for my english...

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The conspiracy is very far behind the new weapon international challenge !


interesting find that
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Very interesting
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I hope none of that is true but its just aligns with some of the OP's info. cow
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I found this on another forum

sorry if this breaks the rules here but this info ties up with some of what the OP has hinted at.

[link to patriotsforamerica.ning.com]

Reply by gresillaud on May 1, 2010 at 8:44am
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The conspiracy is very far behind the new weapon international challenge !


interesting find that



Very interesting
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Yes, I did a search for 'Gresillaude'..he is all over the internet particularly involved in the explosion of the AZF Factory in Toulouse France in 2001. He has taken an interest in the deep water horizon incident, even mentioning French subs and secret military (French?) intelligence reports. Also talks about 'seismic' activity in the Gulf of Mexico. Curious.
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Maybe Gresillaude is our OP?
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These are snips from Gresillaud's posts. Anything look/sound familiar?

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I would like to know the exact GMT datation of the first explosion on Apr 20th on Deepwater Horizon rig.
At the begining of the forum, they tell us about 21:45. Is it in CST (-6h with GMT) ou CDT (-5h with GMT) ?
Have we somethings very thin for this datation ?
It is important, in France some people received Saturday evening May 15th military information about a possible special secret seismic action in order to try to resolve the drill problem.

And Obama didn't sent SWAT Teams on deep water rig only for oil inspection !!!
From nuclear submarine (French SNLE for example), such a mission, very far from Louisiane, isnot so difficult almost thanks to Switerland's documents spy.
From inside too...

state terrorism ?
Attacks against Oil Companie, Oil Stock Exchange perturbation before a next economic and financial disaster !
reply from former Haiti partner... after
Haiti Earthquake, Jan 12th, that many geophsycians couldn't really easily understand (so strong, so localised, so unnatural, so waited by military foreign offices. A foreign observation submarine have been sent to he carabian sea since 2009 dec.

I was warned twice, by military french and CIA environnment, before the earthquake, that it will happen a very murderer towny earthquake in the world. We didn't know the place, we though it was Teheran or Iran town, but just 12 hours before the event we learnt that it will arrive immediatly (The day before). A french submarine were on the carabain sea for many days before for observation.


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doubtful, but at this point, i would rule out very little
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Maybe Gresillaude is our OP?


doubtful, but at this point, i would rule out very little
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Yeah, he does seem to have some of the same info though.
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Yeah, he does seem to have some of the same info though.

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he does indeed
perhaps Many grow tired of these "exciting games"
the world leaders play amongst themselves
money/power games that count only as 'collateral damage'
the lives of all they consider beneath them and even the
very planet they pretend stewardship over


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