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Discoverer Enterprise and support boat on a slow Sunday cruise over the Dome. I suspect the are running ROV survey ops of the undersea equipment, possibly installed by the Toisa Pisces before departure.

That sure is a beautiful ship, especially with the supply boat next to it. [link to www.marinetraffic.com]
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Question: When we lose service off the existing grid, what will keep the poles from standing as sentinels for the past?


They will be cut down and used to build shelter.



Perfect apocalyptic shelter for idiots.

A cabin made of creosote treated logs.
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I think it would be better for the walls of a small outpost no?

But, in general, yeah that's a pretty funny picture. lol
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Doc told me I should cut down on Beer, sausage, potatoes, and sauerkraut, too much cholesterol and salt. I told the doc I drive too fast to worry about cholesterol. He just looked at me like a deer in the headlights.
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Excellent Hans. Most of the cholesterol science is BS anyways. The less you

eat cholesterol, the more your own body makes. Want to be healthy? Keep

the doctors away!
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Holy crap!

Attorney: Dive equipment “EATEN THROUGH” & parts of boat engines “MELTING” — Dispersant (VIDEO)

[link to www.floridaoilspilllaw.com]


 Quoting: American Mentat



We have two different issues here and the video confuses them.

In the marine business, all kinds of solvents are used on metal parts with no harm done, especially lacking in an immediate reaction from exposure.

Strong solvents will typically eat away plastics, resins, etc.


In general terms, there is concern that the Corexit may well be causing corrosion of oil-based manufactured elements. Based on information we have, Corexit should not be affecting the hard metals.

If the solvents in Corexit are not affecting the hard metals in the Gulf, then what is?

What are we seeing when we watch a BP cam video showing the appearance of metal melting while we watch?
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I have a thread running (shameless plug): Thread: Holy Crap-Equipment Melting in the Gulf, On Mainstream Radio in Florida!!! (AUDIO and PICS)
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Discoverer Enterprise and support boat on a slow Sunday cruise over the Dome. I suspect the are running ROV survey ops of the undersea equipment, possibly installed by the Toisa Pisces before departure.

That sure is a beautiful ship, especially with the supply boat next to it. [link to www.marinetraffic.com]
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That is the ship in use that we couldn't figure out why they were sending a dredger.
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People that own dogs do not sleep in their pet's cages. Sheesh. Have some respect for our betters.

It's people like you all that are going to get a wuppin when daddy gets home.
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Dogs are friends not something you own. Respect is not earned by something better or worse, maybe they are your betters.

"People like "you" will be in line bowing to your fake gods, make sure you don't get eaten in the process. you must believe in yourself and in your obviously dormant powers, as we are all part of the cosmic family. I am ET to them, you understand? They fear me and love me.
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Discoverer Enterprise and support boat on a slow Sunday cruise over the Dome. I suspect the are running ROV survey ops of the undersea equipment, possibly installed by the Toisa Pisces before departure.

That sure is a beautiful ship, especially with the supply boat next to it. [link to www.marinetraffic.com]



That is the ship in use that we couldn't figure out why they were sending a dredger.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1110712


It is not a dredger it is a drill/production ship. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Marinetraffic has it incorrectly listed as a "dredger" or this could be a somewhat inaccurate general term on their website, not sure.
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Hey woodie

no disrespect man but it might be better if you went back to the wacky baccy, relax and chill some. Seems like you're worried about things that MIGHT happen.

It's great that you were a success in the music industry but I fail to understand how that gives you greater insight to the current global status.

Without confirmation as to who is supplying any info, be it from you, dhlos, or anyone else, it's only more hot air.

Here, we have had warnings of food issues, fuel shortages etc for a few years now. Seems to be every winter we get the same warnings. One year it might come true, however last winter was severe and we got through it without major catastrophe.
 Quoting: Just AC 1110616



Chill Just AC, your posts are always helpful, and VERY concise, however

for those who do not live on/near the gulf, it is easy to think there is

exaggeration, and speculation, and no facts. The things Woodie is saying

combined with what we know about the gulf (almost nothing) and what

we do not know about the gulf (pretty much everything), actually make

sense to those of us here. Military with big hardware in Louisiana, where's

the enemy?. No-fly-zones over an oil spill that is "over" ????? No boats,

no reporters, gulf residents sick, scared. That's huge. The ideas put forth

by all our brilliant posters (including/especially Woodie) are not only

revealing but very useful in discerning just what the @#$&**&^^%$ is

going on.


PS If I was going to have a beer too many, and spill a little of what I knew,

it would probably be to a rock icon whom I had admired for a long time.

That is human nature. Besides what better "cover", than a musician on tour?

They have a great cover.
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Anyone else find it interesting that over the last three months there has been a production ship over the Biloxi Dome, and it is during this exact window when there isn't one there that the Arctic Sunrise does their survey?
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Discoverer Enterprise and support boat on a slow Sunday cruise over the Dome. I suspect the are running ROV survey ops of the undersea equipment, possibly installed by the Toisa Pisces before departure.

That sure is a beautiful ship, especially with the supply boat next to it. [link to www.marinetraffic.com]



That is the ship in use that we couldn't figure out why they were sending a dredger.


It is not a dredger it is a drill/production ship. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Marinetraffic has it incorrectly listed as a "dredger" or this could be a somewhat inaccurate general term on their website, not sure.
 Quoting: American Mentat



That is helpful information. I'm supposed to look at the ship and understand its use, but am not that savvy. I wish someone had explained that in the beginning and saved me a lot of confusion.
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I think the Title of the thread needs amending to "lets talk about any issue & apply it to our doom story"

There never was A French Sub sank, we don't even know if there was a French Sub there, without substantiated facts all this talk is just speculation.

It seems to me there is a proportion of this web community that likes to make stories & codes, & the other half that likes to overlay stories on top of half truths.

There seems to be too much thrown into the pot here that is accepted as truth without any facts.

Something is happening & it isn't good, but I don't know if it's this issue as written here.

However it is such fun to read your ideas & you are all such lovely characters that I will continue to read if only to get the next instalment.
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Holy crap!

Attorney: Dive equipment “EATEN THROUGH” & parts of boat engines “MELTING” — Dispersant (VIDEO)

[link to www.floridaoilspilllaw.com]





We have two different issues here and the video confuses them.

In the marine business, all kinds of solvents are used on metal parts with no harm done, especially lacking in an immediate reaction from exposure.

Strong solvents will typically eat away plastics, resins, etc.


In general terms, there is concern that the Corexit may well be causing corrosion of oil-based manufactured elements. Based on information we have, Corexit should not be affecting the hard metals.

If the solvents in Corexit are not affecting the hard metals in the Gulf, then what is?

What are we seeing when we watch a BP cam video showing the appearance of metal melting while we watch?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1110712

I posted a while ago that oil pipelines were being corroded by electric currents at an unprecedented rate. there were several theories put forward as to why this was happening. Most thought it had to do with an increase in the electromagnetic fluxes coming in from the sun. It was basically ignored in favor of a micro organism causing the damage. This would appear to be a world wide problem that is increasing and the possible reason we are seeing so many problems with oil related infrastructure.
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People that own dogs do not sleep in their pet's cages. Sheesh. Have some respect for our betters.

It's people like you all that are going to get a wuppin when daddy gets home.


Dogs are friends not something you own. Respect is not earned by something better or worse, maybe they are your betters.

"People like "you" will be in line bowing to your fake gods, make sure you don't get eaten in the process. you must believe in yourself and in your obviously dormant powers, as we are all part of the cosmic family. I am ET to them, you understand? They fear me and love me.
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As Frank Herbert demonstrated with the character of Muad'Dib, the quality of ownership of a thing is demonstrated and embodied in the act of destroying it. I only own that which it is my right to remove from existence.

In that sense, you can't really own an animal's soul, with that I agree for sure.

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[link to cgmix.uscg.mil]

The US Coast Guard lists five boats with the name "Crescent Moon" four of which are in service, one being a fishing vessel and the others are recreational.
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yep found all those yesterday...
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dhlos, was this about the suitcases shipped to ambassies? I think if there was any kind of weapon in these suitcases it would have been detected with scanners. They probably contain documents.
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Holy crap!

Attorney: Dive equipment “EATEN THROUGH” & parts of boat engines “MELTING” — Dispersant (VIDEO)

........


We have two different issues here and the video confuses them.

In the marine business, all kinds of solvents are used on metal parts with no harm done, especially lacking in an immediate reaction from exposure.

Strong solvents will typically eat away plastics, resins, etc.


In general terms, there is concern that the Corexit may well be causing corrosion of oil-based manufactured elements. Based on information we have, Corexit should not be affecting the hard metals.

If the solvents in Corexit are not affecting the hard metals in the Gulf, then what is?

What are we seeing when we watch a BP cam video showing the appearance of metal melting while we watch?
[quote A/C]

I posted a while ago that oil pipelines were being corroded by electric currents at an unprecedented rate. there were several theories put forward as to why this was happening. Most thought it had to do with an increase in the electromagnetic fluxes coming in from the sun. It was basically ignored in favor of a micro organism causing the damage. This would appear to be a world wide problem that is increasing and the possible reason we are seeing so many problems with oil related infrastructure.
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I read that when it was posted about the time of the "pipeline" explosion in California and do not get the connection. The explanation about electromagnetic fluxes just did not 'click' with me and I'll try reading a little closer on the subject.

fwiw, it does not 'click' with me that bugs are eating metal, but I see a vid of the metal melting from something and there is no indication of special sun rays nearby, but stuff pull out of the Gulf has been there.
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Will everyone please let this turkey of a thread die. It started out stupid and degenerated from there.
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I posted a while ago that oil pipelines were being corroded by electric currents at an unprecedented rate. there were several theories put forward as to why this was happening. Most thought it had to do with an increase in the electromagnetic fluxes coming in from the sun. It was basically ignored in favor of a micro organism causing the damage. This would appear to be a world wide problem that is increasing and the possible reason we are seeing so many problems with oil related infrastructure.
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[link to www.ngoilgas.com]

^^^ This ^^^

"When I arrived at Polyguard Products in 1987, I already had background with the materials and production process being used, but I had no background in the use of corrosion coatings for steel pipelines, which was Polyguard’s original market. Fortunately there were old timers around who helped me learn by sharing their years of experience.

Of all the things I heard about pipeline corrosion coatings during that early tutorial period, the one I remember most was:

"With pipeline coatings, it takes about 15-20 years to find out if a coating has problems. That's about how long it takes for widespread failures to occur, at which point people begin to stop using the coating".

In 1987, one of those 'widespread failure' cycles was coming full circle. For many years, polyethylene film backed tape coatings had been used worldwide. The problem which developed with tape coatings was that they were not compatible with cathodic protection systems."

Well then... are we in a cycle?

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Anyone else find it interesting that over the last three months there has been a production ship over the Biloxi Dome, and it is during this exact window when there isn't one there that the Arctic Sunrise does their survey?

Stinks to high Heaven!!!!!!
 Quoting: childoflight



A Sunrise has some 'splaining to do. The ship travels a few thousand miles and then sits in port for days with no public explanation. Greenpeace had announced they were coming to work.

Did they have a blowout and waited on a part? Mutiny? Awaiting orders from the Illuminati?
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Will everyone please let this turkey of a thread die. It started out stupid and degenerated from there.
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Will everyone please let this turkey of a thread die. It started out stupid and degenerated from there.
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[link to cgmix.uscg.mil]

The US Coast Guard lists five boats with the name "Crescent Moon" four of which are in service, one being a fishing vessel and the others are recreational.

yep found all those yesterday...
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Missed that post!

Glad that you are back on Gulf stuff. I've been skipping a lot of posters with remarks about ET, diet hints and bedtime schedules. Sorry I missed something relevant.
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Suitcase Nukes

[link to www.nationalterroralert.com]


dhlos, was this about the suitcases shipped to ambassies? I think if there was any kind of weapon in these suitcases it would have been detected with scanners. They probably contain documents.
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correct me if im wrong but Diplomatic packages never get checked, or thats how it used to be.
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I posted a while ago that oil pipelines were being corroded by electric currents at an unprecedented rate. there were several theories put forward as to why this was happening. Most thought it had to do with an increase in the electromagnetic fluxes coming in from the sun. It was basically ignored in favor of a micro organism causing the damage. This would appear to be a world wide problem that is increasing and the possible reason we are seeing so many problems with oil related infrastructure.


[link to www.ngoilgas.com]

^^^ This ^^^

"When I arrived at Polyguard Products in 1987, I already had background with the materials and production process being used, but I had no background in the use of corrosion coatings for steel pipelines, which was Polyguard’s original market. Fortunately there were old timers around who helped me learn by sharing their years of experience.

Of all the things I heard about pipeline corrosion coatings during that early tutorial period, the one I remember most was:

"With pipeline coatings, it takes about 15-20 years to find out if a coating has problems. That's about how long it takes for widespread failures to occur, at which point people begin to stop using the coating".

In 1987, one of those 'widespread failure' cycles was coming full circle. For many years, polyethylene film backed tape coatings had been used worldwide. The problem which developed with tape coatings was that they were not compatible with cathodic protection systems."

Well then... are we in a cycle?
 Quoting: American Mentat



This goes back to the issue discussed much earlier about the submarine coatings.

Are poly-based coatings ever put on stainless steel?
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Will everyone please let this turkey of a thread die. It started out stupid and degenerated from there.
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Good afternoon Sunshine!
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Here is one article I found but not the one I was reffering to in my ealier post. electormagnetic effects on piplines.

[link to www.spaceweather.gc.ca]

Time-varying magnetic fields induce time-varying electric currents in conductors. Variations of the Earth's magnetic field induce electric currents in long conducting pipelines and surrounding soil. These time-varying currents, named "telluric currents" in the pipeline industry, create voltage swings in the pipeline-cathodic protection rectifier system and make it difficult to maintain pipe-to-soil potential in the safe region. During magnetic storms, these variations can be large enough to keep a pipeline in the unprotected region for some time, which can reduce the lifetime of the pipeline. As an example, the geomagnetic storm on the 6-7 April 2000 is shown on the figure. The top panel shows geomagnetic field variations at Ottawa magnetic observatory; the bottom panel shows the pipe-to-soil potential difference on a pipeline in Canada, recorded at the same time. During the magnetic storm the pipe-to-soil potential difference went outside the safe region. That can increase the possibility of corrosion.

[link to adsabs.harvard.edu] Here is another one
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Here is one article I found but not the one I was reffering to in my ealier post. electormagnetic effects on piplines.

[link to www.spaceweather.gc.ca]

Time-varying magnetic fields induce time-varying electric currents in conductors. Variations of the Earth's magnetic field induce electric currents in long conducting pipelines and surrounding soil. These time-varying currents, named "telluric currents" in the pipeline industry, create voltage swings in the pipeline-cathodic protection rectifier system and make it difficult to maintain pipe-to-soil potential in the safe region. During magnetic storms, these variations can be large enough to keep a pipeline in the unprotected region for some time, which can reduce the lifetime of the pipeline. As an example, the geomagnetic storm on the 6-7 April 2000 is shown on the figure. The top panel shows geomagnetic field variations at Ottawa magnetic observatory; the bottom panel shows the pipe-to-soil potential difference on a pipeline in Canada, recorded at the same time. During the magnetic storm the pipe-to-soil potential difference went outside the safe region. That can increase the possibility of corrosion.

[link to adsabs.harvard.edu] Here is another one
 Quoting: Rken 1110837


I work on a 3 Tesla research magnet, so I have some background in EE and electromagnetism.

This sounds exactly like the issues that we encounter with rapidly switching gradient fields and rapid electrical conduction down nerve and fluid channels that cause injury to subjects if we don't monitor the SAR.

On some research magnets, you can sometimes adjust the function to exceed certain regulations. We have not done this with our magnet, but if you want, you can put a "sample" in and make it dance like a marionette, depending on how you set the gradient fields.

If this happens on a cosmic level, then yes, anything that conducts over long distances will be receptive to these forces no question about it.
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Here is one article I found but not the one I was reffering to in my ealier post. electormagnetic effects on piplines.

[link to www.spaceweather.gc.ca]

Time-varying magnetic fields induce time-varying electric currents in conductors. Variations of the Earth's magnetic field induce electric currents in long conducting pipelines and surrounding soil. These time-varying currents, named "telluric currents" in the pipeline industry, create voltage swings in the pipeline-cathodic protection rectifier system and make it difficult to maintain pipe-to-soil potential in the safe region. During magnetic storms, these variations can be large enough to keep a pipeline in the unprotected region for some time, which can reduce the lifetime of the pipeline. As an example, the geomagnetic storm on the 6-7 April 2000 is shown on the figure. The top panel shows geomagnetic field variations at Ottawa magnetic observatory; the bottom panel shows the pipe-to-soil potential difference on a pipeline in Canada, recorded at the same time. During the magnetic storm the pipe-to-soil potential difference went outside the safe region. That can increase the possibility of corrosion.

[link to adsabs.harvard.edu] Here is another one
 Quoting: Rken 1110837



When "telluric" is referenced, I see the point about the possibility of corrosion of underground pipelines. Can these pipelines be grounded at intervals?

In the GOM, even though there are miles of pipe underwater, we are concerned with newly developing corrosive effects on marine equipment, which has not happened in the past.

This is very important!

If we have something "eating" at plastics or any kind petroleum-based product, then our society comes to a screeching halt. It won't make any difference whether it is a bug, or an aerosol product.

No answer yet about whether stainless steel is ever coated. If something is eating at propellers in the Gulf waters, next question is whether the stainless steel props are affected. Aluminum, or other metal props are coated, but the stainless ones are not.
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Looks like the eye of that guy in AVATAR !

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