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Another from 2009 but well worth reading
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Housedad: Look for a pdf on the net titled "2012 Equation Solved" by Pane "Astralwalker" Andov. He diametrically disagrees with us cadging a ride out of here on a shiny saucer, as he explains. It's about 100 pages and I'm only up to p35, haven't time to finish it yet, cracking good read though.
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Woodie, can you tell us anything about the terra forming that is going on?



forming alt power sources

brink of many new sources being applied.
so many things scrammbling to get there first.

this I've been looking at most recent

read up on this


[link to peswiki.com]
 Quoting: 6 String Woodie



Curious that at the link the described "sucking" or "implosion" theory is similar to the description one poster gave early in this thread describing how the Gulf was going to be cleaned of oil and Corexit.

The explanation was that magnetized elements (nanos or bio-agents) mixed with the oil would pull the oil/Corexit mix into containment once an initial underwater magnetic charge was introduced. At the time that made some sense because we had OP reporting submarines were having magnetizing issues.

What happened? Did the Corexit goop make tar-balls instead?
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“It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself–anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face…; was itself a punishable offense. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime…”
-George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 5

“Your worst enemy, he reflected, was your nervous system. At any moment the tension inside you was liable to translate itself into some visible symptom.”
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 6
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Per Goetz Liedtke on the SCADAlisterve, “Siemens is the market leader in oil drilling control systems. The Deepwater Horizon drilling rig had both Siemens and GE Fanuc equipment, but I believe the latter was in the Blow Out Preventer (yes, off-shore oil drilling rigs use PLCs or controllers in the underwater equipment - even 5000 feet down).”

[link to community.controlglobal.com]

Hmmmm....



Doesn't make any difference whose equipment is being used in a rig if it's being gerry-rigged and then blown into the water.

Perhaps it would matter if Stuxnet has been around longer then we think. Iran maybe just the tip of the iceburg.

From what I understand, Stuxnet has been in the wild for about a year now.


I am a follower of the GOM since early May mostly on the blogs, MSM, and The Oil Drum, then later on GLP as it became the only place to get reliable open talk about it.

It is entirely plausible from what I have read about the malfunctioning equipment and misreading gauges that a faulty well design plus a configured electronic attack on the DWH systems could definitely be in the running as a plausible explanation for the disaster.

Bomb( the pressurized oil reserve) + Fuse (the faulty well) + Ignition (targeted electronic attack on April 20) = False Flag Disaster

Any takers? hiding
 Quoting: American Mentat


Nope, not biting that Stuxnet is involved in the GOM disaster.

Yes, "Bomb" = pressurized oil reserve, but the "Fuse" was the frakking that occurred either with sonic drilling as reported by OP, or with conventional drilling at too rapid a pace as reported by rig workers.

The "Ignition" of the fuse to the bomb was the spraying of lethal Corexit and/or the release of nano-bots harmful to humans. Please recall that noone is telling us what all is in the Corexit, not BP, NALCO, the Coast Guard, EPA or any other g'ment agency.
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..........


[link to peswiki.com]

Wow, now that is gonna take some commitment and research. This is an interesting concept.

I think I might be onto why so much of the Cor-exit was used, but I want to get all the fact straight before sharing it. I believe the compounds/chemistry in it were needed to assist in the terra forming process. I had read an article early on that cor-exit was the same thing as dawn dish liquid. ewwww

hf
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&%(*#@&*%+*%& (cuss words)

"Dawn dish liquid" are the exact words used in communities at the Gulf to explain why they were seeing oil "residue" after the cleanup.

People were asked to do a simple test at home and grease their kitchen sink then wash it with "Dawn dish liquid." After rinsing the sink, people were asked to rub their finger around the sink and check and they would find that there was an oil residue, which is "natural."

Or, at least that is the way one Gulf resident told the story to me, believing somehow that it must be OK for there to be some oil after the cleanup after the use of a chemical to break up the oil (grease) and disperse it.

People who live there are very confused and do not know what to believe and they have the g'ment telling them through msm that everything is OK.
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What happened? Stopped @ pg. 11
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It's not over. The fat lady has not sung.
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...........

It is entirely plausible from what I have read about the malfunctioning equipment and misreading gauges that a faulty well design plus a configured electronic attack on the DWH systems could definitely be in the running as a plausible explanation for the disaster.

Bomb( the pressurized oil reserve) + Fuse (the faulty well) + Ignition (targeted electronic attack on April 20) = False Flag Disaster

Any takers? hiding


Continuing with that theme:

[link to latimesblogs.latimes.com]

Gulf oil spill: Computer glitches plagued the Deepwater Horizon rig, technician says
 Quoting: American Mentat



Stuxnet does not create "glitches" as I understand the effect of the program, but instead seeks out a particular system function and freezes, or malfunctions that particular function and that when it does, it's all over.
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Most in-depth Stuxnet analysis I've found is [link to www.langner.com]

Also, I will quote again the issue of the delay to the release of "Hacking SCADA", a book that has been waiting in the wings for some time:

"Expected Release Date: Due to several "legal threats", gag order attempts, and worse from both private organizations and other entities, this project has certainly been plagued with its share of challenges. Though we have repeatedly stated that we are not disclosing vendor specific or any undisclosed vulnerabilities, nor are we disclosing anything that isn't already publically available, we regret to inform those that have been patiently waiting that we have decided to abide by certain "orders" and requests as a measure of good faith to this community. As a result, this project has been delayed until 2010. We apologize to those that have been so faithful and patient and especially to those that have approached us at conferences and other events with their support."

Perhaps if these "other entities" and the source of the "orders" were identified, we would be led to the source of this worm.

Well off-topic, but has to be said.
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“It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself–anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face…; was itself a punishable offense. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime…”
-George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 5

“Your worst enemy, he reflected, was your nervous system. At any moment the tension inside you was liable to translate itself into some visible symptom.”
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 6
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Some people who tend to show constant visible tension would then be SOL, right?
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Thankyou so much for your time and effort to breakout my comments , I do appreciate you! I hope to illuminate some minds to take a different line of thinking to find new paths....to info

-start in Sedona, Arizona 7 "active" sink holes (bone dry, high desert, rocky craigs,ground there probably gives zero compaction) fishing expeditions ongoing and they are dragging out some interreting things

Sedona’s Sinkholes
[link to tucsoncitizen.com]

Snip : "The Devil's Dining Room is actually a sinkhole.
It is one of seven active sinkholes highlighted in a new report published by the Arizona Geological Survey."

"The spectacular red rock country near Sedona, Arizona, hides an unusual and potentially hazardous geologic feature."
see figure 8 ...

>> Are sinkhole realy all "natural" occurancies ? No. not in my opinion. I think they are connected with (preparation) terraforming activities and Cern/LHC ...
and they are not only occuring in rocks but maybe also underwater in the GOM ... (upheavel of seabed before collapse)

Another Bag and Tag but as in many places, holes are a mine shaft to get at the goodies locked up in metal cans. As is in many places some of the boxes are already opened and the brawling starts...The same station that put our the Sedona Sink hole video, I hope you caught the Door or Throne with 3 steps at it's base about ground level to cliff face in one of the panoramics! I have been poking in the website which is another one of those "special" sites for the upper echelon. Look at the HD Digital pics, the pics that you might ask why someone would take that are the best ones so you should know. I have all the links prepared but my inexperience with form or communication has made me loose my data twice hopefully it work this time. These sites are gold mine of great stuff!

[link to www.abc15.com]

Look at storm pics great!
Look Ma, new 9 foot crossing guards in AZ look above the 32nd street sign and zoom in, the camo bellow is perfect but having a bit of trouble with top half but still great. Also between tree trunk and edge of photo.
[link to media2.abc15.com]

My Favorite you would think why take this photo? Well look at the action in the tree.
[link to a248.e.akamai.net (secure)]

Shaking a fist at god!
[link to media2.abc15.com]

Ahh such natural weather..
[link to media2.abc15.com]

There are many many other photos and the "individual" taking the photos knows what they are seeing and knows when to click so it say quite a bit I believe.


-note side of the cliff of a panoramic view shots, few things moving down (normal these days) but look at the cliff face very interesting feature must be for someone important

>> I am not native Am. but I think this has to be near faces of those important presidents in the rocks ...
 Quoting: somedumbguy 1113861


One image that stuck me was this one ...
look at the shape of the oilspill on the ground :
[link to www.abc15.com]

looks like "an" alien to me ... ... chest and head. (almost a double head ...)


Something strange yellow in the bushes,
and that very odd strange saturn-ring like dropletshape on the left ...
[link to www.abc15.com]

Again a strang figure in the lines on the road:
(right side just behinde car)
[link to www.abc15.com]

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Hello everyone, just caught up. Have been friends with Kindra Arnesan on f/b since she first spoke out...on Mon or Tue I remember seeing a picture she had posted on her wall showing what she called hives. It was a close up of a welt with what looked like a pinkish caolmine type lotion on it, just a lump not a sore/scab....Now she is in hospital, I hope they don't do her in!
from her wall someone has posted:

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Hopi Wisdom, Mother Earth is Giving Birth -- The Great Purification

Can you think what price you will have to pay for leaving your Mother planet, the Earth who has nourished you and your ancestors before you? Can you even begin to imagine what these strangers would take from you? The only Star brothers and sisters who love you and wish to serve you are those brothers and sisters who have evolved to the perfect form of being in their Solar System, having completed their own Pattern of Migration they would never try to entice you away from yours. Your evolved brothers and sisters have visited your world, but they have never removed a child from the natural Mother planet because they have no wish to interrupt anyone's evolutionary development. Would you expect your Star brothers and sisters who have completed their own evolutionary development to swoop down on your world just as you are about to complete your own development and snatch you off into Space, thereby cheating you of your final reward? Of course not! What then could be the purpose of strangers who arrive very soon before the moment of your last developmentary step and take advantage of
your fear? What do they stand to gain by taking you away from your home planet at the hour of your advancement? You look up at the Stars and you know you feel a bond with someone out there, but you don't know why and you don't know who. This mysterious bond you feel is between you and the Star brothers and sisters who have completed their evolution and evolved to the last stage of development. It is they who love you and long for the moment when you will be united with them in your glorious completed form.”

"We have coexisted with all of Nature since the beginning of Time, we are interconnected with all of Nature and must function together synchronously. We can do nothing to hold back Nature, and so we must accept the weather changes which signal the Time of Purification and the continuation of evolution of man and all Nature on the one Universal Road of Life.

Each one of us has wondered "Why am I here? What is the purpose of my life?" The answer is that we are merely waiting, and though it has seemed an intenninable time, and it has been difficult; it has been very worthwhile. Now we must harvest all our faith in Nature and in God and greet the approaching final stage of evolution with courage and rejoicing. Only one chance is given, we can only evolve in unison with everything in Nature. If we miss this chance to complete our Pattern of Evolution, all else in Nature will go forward and we will be left behind."


God is the Creator and Controller of Time. God has established this system of Days, Weeks and Years as an ordinance for our protection and He/She has asked us to remain within it.Soon mankind will learn of another time-frame and it will be presented as being indescribably wonderful but regardless of how wonderful it may at first appear to be, its end is darkest misery. To experience another time-frame is NOT allowed to us.

Would you sacrifice Heaven, and achieving the ultimate form, all for a journey to another time frame?"


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Edit for FFS, (fat finger synfrome....see previous word!)

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Needed: A breakthrough with China

The Russian President Dmitry Medvedev's visit to China, currently drawing to a close, or rather the preparations for it, unearthed the rather unpleasant statistic of 2% - this is Russia's trading position with its great neighbor. No matter how close their views may be on world events and international relations, 2% is not a purely economic indicator, it indicates policy and a not very favorable one at that. Particularly compared with U.S.-Chinese commerce at nigh on $300 billion a year (all figures are rough estimates because of the crisis: post-crisis statistics are only just beginning to emerge). And though Russian-Chinese trade turnover, judging from what Medvedev said, is set to return to its peak pre-crisis figure of $57 billion, there is a qualitative difference between it, and the U.S.-Chinese relationship.


[link to en.rian.ru]
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OK, folks, this is semi-unrelated, but a lot of you are keeping an eye on

the uvb/sixteen days/RUSSIAN FEDERATION OP thread. Besides, at this point

damn near everything is a part of this thread.

Last night an A/C ( some have speculated that RUSSIAN FEDERATION has

posted as A/C a few times) posted instructions to research SIPART PS2.




[link to www.automation.siemens.com]


The above link shows this to be a SIEMENS product which handles automatic

valves and controls.

So I asked what's the importance?


An "AC" referred me to the LHCb (LARGE HADRON COLLIDER).


Not an engineering-type, I asked what's the connection?


The answer is below, along with the pertinent quotes.


Another "AC" pointed out that malfunctioning automatic control valves


on the large hadron collider would have rather spectacular consequences.


STUXNET, in my understanding, is especially directed at Siemens

technology.





Re: UVB-76 - Important message in 16 days. Quote

OP just tell the people here, it doesn't matter now it's too late.

Stuxnet is heading for the LHCb however a thing of beauty is not going to be revealed, quite the opposite.


Research this it's at the bottom of the hole, however the smoke and mirrors routine is from the last age, no time for it now.

SIPART PS2



Are you saying that the ultimate goal of STUXNET is to interfere with

the valves and controllers produced by SIEMENS, and which, I assume, are

installed in many strategic nuclear facilities in many different countries?

Perhaps ALL AT ONCE???
Quoting: Pondering Mightily


Mostly correct.

No time for playing chess any more, not that it matters.

The panic is indeed relating to all Siemens PLC's and field wiring but there is only one target A direct attack would be too obvious so a more scattered attack is needed.

The control of the cooling at the LHCb regulated by the SIPART PS2.

Does nobody remember it was switched off a time ago?

Remember what the OP said, there is many layers.

Check the latest Bilderberg agenda, this blogger has an idea, but has missed the mark.

[link to blogs.telegraph.co.uk]

Global cooling doesn't allude to the planet, it alludes to the cooling of a large circular object.

A World within a World so to speak.




So that's my 2 cents



interesting, been reading all the different theories on this thing. PLC are in almost all cases, network controlled, and usually remotely for tech support. I have worked on climate controlled versions and with different software controllers. a default file is usually kept and on some controllers can be launched automatically if there is failure in the configured processing. If this default file was corrupted and launched only an offline manual override and reprogram is all that is available. that can be hours of head scratching and worst if the rom or firmware took a hit would pass on the same results with corrected files relaunched. what a mess that would be for hazzardous enviroment controls in comparison to climate ones which I had delt with.

maybe I should read up more on this topic.
 Quoting: 6 String Woodie




Woodie, you are the only one who picked up on this. I was thinking of

reposting it. Thank you, kindly.


Basically, the latest theories are that a QUANTUM VIRUS was released

(perhaps in 2008), as a seed to slowly grow and infect SIEMENS CONTROL-

VALVES (they are EVERYWHERE), with the ultimate goal of infecting

the cooling system of the LARGE HADRON COLLIDER. If such a thing

as a "quantum virus" exists, it does not need the "physical world"

to transmit and transmute itself. I would love to hear from BEZERKERS

with or without a scientific background, because on this thread, not

much can hide. And this whole "worldwide quantum virus" thingie

is a bit spookin' me.
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...........

It is entirely plausible from what I have read about the malfunctioning equipment and misreading gauges that a faulty well design plus a configured electronic attack on the DWH systems could definitely be in the running as a plausible explanation for the disaster.

Bomb( the pressurized oil reserve) + Fuse (the faulty well) + Ignition (targeted electronic attack on April 20) = False Flag Disaster

Any takers? hiding


Continuing with that theme:

[link to latimesblogs.latimes.com]

Gulf oil spill: Computer glitches plagued the Deepwater Horizon rig, technician says



Stuxnet does not create "glitches" as I understand the effect of the program, but instead seeks out a particular system function and freezes, or malfunctions that particular function and that when it does, it's all over.
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But it could stop the valves on the bop from functioning properly. Thus creating a blow out. It just feels right to me.
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Ancient volcanic field reawakens in Saudi Arabia
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''In 2009, more than 30,000 earthquakes struck an ancient lava field, opening up a five-mile long crevice. Sensors shoow that magma has risen to roughly a mile below the surface of the Earth, and eruptions remain possible.''

full article here...
[link to www.csmonitor.com]

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a couple of Q & As from Zeta Talk, May 2010
these stood out in relation to this thread....


What effect, do the Zetas predict, will the "7" event have on the already fragile cover-up? [and from another] Will the end of the year, something that finally convince everyone it is the existence of Planet X and the real threat it poses? Will there be something in addition to achieving a mark "7" that will make people reconsider their views?

Nancy has been calling this the threshold year, just as 2009 was, in her mind, the signs-in-the-sky year. Why would signs in the sky not crack the cover-up, and what would cause 2010 to be the year when many cross over into admitting, to themselves and to others, that the government is lying? Up until this point the tightly controlled astronomical community, combined with official pronouncements from NASA, has given the impression that all is normal, despite obvious evidence they are editing SOHO and the placement of the Moon, Sun, and constellations are not where expected. At what point do people start believing their eyes and not believing the experts? The media is fully in hand, avoiding subjects on the ban list and promoting endless distractions while the common man is left to wonder if they are having hallucinations, as the world they see has so many extremes in weather and a trembling Earth - not what the media portrays.

We have predicted that this year, 2010, will be the year when the common man switches from looking to the media and experts for their answers, and to intense and anxious discussions on the Internet and in public gathering places like cafes or bars. What is it then, about 2010, that will push the public over this threshold?

Earthquakes and plate adjustments are described by geologists as lots of shaking but little positional change in the plates. This fits the explanation that anything cataclysmic that happened to the globe to cause positional stress in the plates in the past happened millions of years ago, and all since then has been just settling down from those cataclysms. But why would major plate adjustments happen now? The trend would be in the opposite direction. Rather than a continuation of history, in adjustments, the plates seem to be lifting out of their beds and heaving in directions not historically in evidence. The media can fill up with experts, spouting tectonic plate theory, but this question will remain unanswered in the mind of the common man. Thus, they will seek answers elsewhere.


I just took an airplane flight from the US to Canada, and lo and behold it is substantially warmer here in Canada than in the US. I also flew from East to West which always has headwinds and guess what - almost no headwinds and the flight time was dramatically shorter - first time ever I have experienced that and I have made many many trips going West. I then noticed in the newspaper while on the flight that the weather map for N America showed pockets of hotter air in parts of Canada than almost anywhere in the US. Then when arriving at my destination the radio talked about gusty winds to be expected - which we have been getting practically every couple of days back in the US. And of course, many parts of the US (and elsewhere) have been flip flopping from near record lows to near record highs. I have thought a lot about the Zeta's comment that the weather will blend into one season - can the Zeta's please comment on whether we are now at that point - or whether they are referring to even more extreme and unusual weather related phenomena to come?


Certainly, this is not yet a blending of the seasons. It is an atypical Spring, for you. The Earth wobble does several things to the N American continent. As we have mentioned, most of the time the magnetic N Pole is trying to avoid facing the Sun and the approaching Planet X, so in general the northern hemisphere is colder than usual. This will be the case until the pole shift. In addition to this tilt, there is the daily Earth wobble. The magnetic N Pole of Earth is more centered over Siberia than north of Canada as in the past. Thus when the Sun is overhead in the Pacific or India or Europe, the magnetic N Pole is pushed back over the horizon. When the Sun is overhead in the Americas, the N American continent bounces back, as it is under tension to align with the Sun's magnetic alignment too. When doing so, the globe is pulled under warmer air, suddenly and forcefully. The blending of the seasons is still ahead of you, when the globe starts leaning to its side with greater frequency and for longer periods.

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[i]I would think that every amateur astronomer would be screaming bloody murder if say the August sun position did not change. A family member of ours watches the night sky as is his hobby to do and he thinks I am nuts. He of course does not believe px exists or the SOHO captures I have mailed him. He is not aware of sky map being seasonaly off. Humm …[and from another] I don't care what the amateur or professional astronomers say, the sun is setting just left of due north in eastern Iowa and it doesn't even do that at summer solstice! I have planted hydrangeas on the north side of my house this spring and they got sunburn wilt! They have to be watered daily because there is no protection to my north. [and from another] My understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong) is that the Sun should never rise/set or be north of due east/west when viewing it from the Northern Hemisphere. Likewise, the Sun should never rise/set or be south of due east/west when viewing it from the Southern Hemisphere. An equatorial view should have the Sun straight overhead year round. [and from another] In normal circumstances the sun is usually at its max on June 21 in the West at sunset and directly opposite in the am in the East. Observing the sun each evening thus far, puts it beyond the west or even SW where it is supposed to be and almost due north in the NNW at this time of year! If one was not observing it would not be an anomoly. Using the garden fence we track the sun through out the year, it has from September from West to NNW in May. September the sun 'should' be in the more SW position here in NW Saskatchewan, the sun rising 'should' be in the SE position when rising at that time of year. But it hasn't been that way for almost a year. [and from another] When you find Orion in the night sky, you will notice it is in the general area in which it should be, so most people wouldn't analyze it any further than that, and that's the mistake. Orion, as a human figure with a bow and arrow, should be facing the ground, or the horizon if you wish. Instead, it faces straight up in the sky. A skew, in place, of no less than 90 degrees. Orion should never appear as such. If that isn't enough proof, take the constellation just to the bottom left of Orion, which is Canis Major. Canis Major is easy to find because it contains the star Sirius, which is the brightest star in the night sky. If you take the star Sirius, and draw a line to the star just to the right, which is the last star within Canis Major, furthest to the right. That line should then go into the ground/horizon, but instead goes straight up into the sky. Again, a skew in place of 90 degrees or more.

What does the tale about the Emperor's New Clothes teach? That societal pressure to see what others are seeing, and to view what we see through the same colored glasses, is intense. If everyone in a group is, apparently, not seeing what you are seeing, then you doubt your eyes. The public is told by a phalanx of heavyweights that all is normal. The weatherman has long been constrained to stop talking about all the records that are being broken, and forbidden from acting shocked. Anyone who could not comply found themselves with a different job. Astronomers, who began being assassinated starting with the Naval Observatory's Harrington, are required to sign a national security oath and if not, get visits from ominous men in black suits warning them to keep in line. In a close knit profession word gets around when accidents happen, especially after the victim had been struggling with the constraints of the cover-up. Amateurs find them selves puzzled, but because the anomalies they are viewing are not being admitted by the experts, the astronomers, they fall silent. If they raise a flag and insist the professionals address the discrepancies, they find themselves mocked and ridiculed. Certainly, taking the issue to the media gains them nothing. Thus we are left with the Emperor's New Clothes effect. Only those with eyes open, talking on the Internet and among themselves, will change this. But for those too fearful of going against officials, denial is more comfortable even when the facts are staring them in the face.

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One ton of thorium can produce as much energy as 200 tons of uranium and 3.5 million tons of coal, according to the former director of CERN. via Telegraph

An abundant metal with vast energy potential could quickly wean the world off oil, if only Western political leaders would muster the will to do it.
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And 1 more :

Is the new sinkhole that opened up on Interstate 24 in northeast Tennessee (smack dab in the middle of the New Madrid Seismic Zone) a sign that the dreaded mega-quake is close at hand? Or just another example of the "stretch zone"? [link to www.youtube.com] [and from another] What would the Zeta say about the number of sinkholes that have happened recently, including the one in Quebec that killed four members of a family and the more recent one in Detroit, Michigan? [link to www.***] news.com/world/article/quebec-family-missing-after-sinkhole-​swallows-house/19473267

Where sinkholes are routinely blamed on recent heavy rains, causing a washout, there is more afoot. Run a line from San Diego, the center of the bow formed by the N American continent lately, and you will arrive at Tennessee. The Utah mine disaster just east of the Salt Flats was another example of that same bow stress, as it was also on that line. If a bow is pulled hard enough, it will break, but the break will be along weak points in the wood. The weak point in the N American continent is the New Madrid fault line and associated fault lines, which will slip, and slipslide sideways as we have repeatedly explained, with land to the west of the Mississippi moving SW and land to the east of the Mississippi moving NE. What does bow stress do to rock and ground in its path? Take a branch and bend it to the point where parts of the branch start snapping. The compression in the center causes branches to snap outward, relieving that pressure. Rock layers are no different. When compresses they will shatter away from the compression point. Ground nearby gets pushed around, as it is not as solid as rock, and in these matters the hand of Mother Nature does not come round and smooth and distribute the ground. Pockets or voids remain.

Landslides that occur on land over clay layers have long been known to be related to water flow along the top of the clay layers, which puts the ground above on a type of slippery slide. Enough rain, enough of an angle of descent, and voom one has a land slide. California is famous for these slides, as in California they build on hillsides in the expensive California real estate market. But the Montreal slide is scarsely a steep incline, nor have then been in a constant deluge. Thus, this is a huge section of land to be moving without warning or any expectations of a sinkhole developing. Of course, the Seaway is pulling apart, and this is not so much noticed where there is solid rock on either side of the Seaway as in places nearby where the ground is put under just as much stress. Take a piece of fabric and pull in opposite directions on either side. The fabric will start to give, thread by thread, at first, and most often those threads are not at the point where the fabric will eventually rip in two, but at weak points in the stretch zone. Can we give comfort to those living along the Seaway that the worst is over? Hardly, it has hardly begun.

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Hello Rken, Have you been skippin' on reading the posts??
We talked thorium a couple of weeks back and other post today.... C'mon now if you cheat on the reads no t-shirt for you.....lol BTW did you find out anymore from your wifes info???

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BEIJING (AFP) - A computer virus dubbed the world's "first cyber superweapon" by experts and which may have been designed to attack Iran's nuclear facilities has found a new target -- China.

The Stuxnet computer worm has wreaked havoc in China, infecting millions of computers around the country, state media reported this week.

Stuxnet is feared by experts around the globe as it can break into computers that control machinery at the heart of industry, allowing an attacker to assume control of critical systems like pumps, motors, alarms and valves.

It could, technically, make factory boilers explode, destroy gas pipelines or even cause a nuclear plant to malfunction.

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OK last post from me tonight.....

this is also from a friend at f/book, seeing we discussed LHC today...here goes

ReportApollyon, The bottomless pit and the Large Hadron collider & The Bible.by Robert DeBovis on Thursday, 30 September 2010 at 23:06

The collective consciousness of the human race seems to be sensing the end of all things. Ancient prophecy is taken seriously by many to justify that “feeling” of the approaching end to try and make sense of that feeling. People more so today than ever are also having a kind of lemming mentality where more than ever we destroy ourselves with our various addictions, wars and other assorted destructive behaviours too numerous to mention here. So does the end of all things approach?

I have studied ancient prophecy for a long time, and with all that I have researched, the biblical prophecies seem to give a more precise overview of the current time we live in right down to the very character of the people living in these times;

1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


That is indeed the state of the human race at this time.


During the course of my research I have found another interesting connection with which I want to bring to your attention. That is the connection with Abaddon and the bottomless pit and a possible otherwise unseen connection with the Large Hadron Collider.

I know this has been mentioned many times on many forums, and has been discussed in depth, but I decided to dig a little deeper to see what other connections I could find.

What I found kind of startled me. I found that the town that the LHC complex is situated-Saint Genis Pouilly-was in Roman times called Apolliacum, the town and a temple being dedicated to Apollyon.


APOLLYON. The Greek name, meaning "Destroyer," given in Revelation 9:11 for "the angel of the bottomless pit" (in Hebrew called Abaddon), also identified as the king of the demonic "locusts" described in Revelation 9:3-10...In one manuscript, instead of Apollyon the text reads "Apollo," the Greek god of death and pestilence as well as of the sun, music, poetry, crops and herds, and medicine. Apollyon is no doubt the correct reading. But the name Apollo (Gk Apollon) was often linked in ancient Greek writings with the verb apollymi or apollyo, "destroy." From this time of Grotius, "Apollyon" has often been taken here to be a play on the name Apollo. The locust was an emblem of this god, who poisoned his victims, and the name "Apollyon" may be used allusively in Revelation to attack the pagan god and so indirectly the Roman emperor Domitian, who liked to be regarded as Apollo incarnate.

(Anchor Bible Dictionary)

The text in Revelation 9 reads;

1And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

2And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

3And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

6And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

7And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

8And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

9And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

10And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

11And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.


So is it coincidence that the LHC was located in the very place where a temple/town dedicated to the king of the bottomless pit or is it by design?

In fact, if you look at the LHC from the air it resembles a lock, it also resembles masonic symbology of the pyramid and the all seeing eye pointing towards the town that was dedicated to to the destroyer spoken of in Revelation. So is it the lock that the “star from heaven” is going to open? That star of course being Lucifer who fell from heaven corrupting mankind, our science to achieve his aim of destroying the apple of Gods eye-us.

As bottomless pits go, I cannot think of anything more bottomless than a black hole. A singularity that is infinitely dense yet infinitely small where the laws of physics breakdown.

The LHC will produce micro black holes that supposedly evaporate as quickly as they are formed. They also use outdated and debunked physics to justify that fact using Stephen Hawking's now debunked Hawking's radiation to prove their point. However scientists are merely flawed humans also and make many mistakes

Nostradamus even mentions something happening;

Leave, leave Geneva every last one of you,

Saturn will be converted from gold to iron,

Raypoz will exterminate all who oppose him,(?)

Before the coming the sky will show signs



The RAYPOZ being positive rays maybe?

So is the LHC the key to unlocking the so called God particle? Or is the key to unlocking the door to the bottomless pit? I guess we will see in time.


What this all means is....?


They knew that the tomb of Apollo Was there. They Choose to build on it.

They knew it was the ancient site of -The Bottomless Abyss.

The Powers that Be. Try to Follow history and the bible. , they Make corrections when needed!

It was destiny for the collider to be built..and on the spot of so called apollyon.

Things happen for a reason! ones who see things how they really are, Illuminatti.

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One ton of thorium can produce as much energy as 200 tons of uranium and 3.5 million tons of coal, according to the former director of CERN. via Telegraph

An abundant metal with vast energy potential could quickly wean the world off oil, if only Western political leaders would muster the will to do it.
 Quoting: rken 1115157


hi rkn. as a young bloke i got quite excited when i found out about thoriums potential. I soon came down to earth when i found out that back in the early post ww2 era when nuke power was being developed, thorium vs uranium reactors WERE debated. but since the massive cost of research,design and development only one fuel source was developed. This fuel had the value adding feature that made weapons grade plutonium , which back then was in short supply. I dont think anyone has ironed out all the problems they have with getting a thorium reactor up as yet but there may be a pilot plant somewhere by now. Id love to know... anyone???
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Just found this in dutch news,
I will look for the same story in english ..
but some things in that text realy cauth my attention :

Bewoonbare planeet ontdekt? [link to nieuws.nl.msn.com]

- Vandaag is er een planeet ontdekt die bewoonbaar zou kunnen zijn. Bestaat er een tweede aarde?
- Eén van de onderzoekers zegt in ieder geval dat de kans op leven op Gliese 581g '100 procent' is.
- Gliese 581g is vooral opvallend omdat hij duidelijk in de 'Goldilocks-zone' valt: niet te dicht bij de ster, niet te ver; niet te warm, niet te koud, maar precies goed.
- Statistisch gezien zouden we overigens in mei 2011 een nieuwe aarde moeten ontdekken.



Translation :
Habitable planet discovered ?
- Today there is a planet discovered that could be habitable. Is there a second Earth?
- One of the researchers says that in any case the probability of life on Gliese 581g is '100 percent'.
- Gliese 581g is particularly noteworthy because it is clearly in the 'Goldilocks zone' : not too close to the star, not too far, not too hot, not too cold but just right.
- Statistically, we would, moreover, about to discover a new earth in May 2011.

An english source
Is this the new Earth? Astronomers discover planet just 20 light years away with similar atmosphere and gravity which has '100% chance of life' - and may contain water
(with images and illustrations and a VID)

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

'If these are rare, we shouldn't have found one so quickly and so nearby,' Dr Steven Vogt who led the study at the University of California, Santa Cruz.
'The number of systems with potentially habitable planets is probably on the order of 10 or 20 per cent, and when you multiply that by the hundreds of billions of stars in the Milky Way, that's a large number. There could be tens of billions of these systems in our galaxy.'
He told Discovery News: 'Personally, given the ubiquity and propensity of life to flourish wherever it can, I would say that the chances for life on this planet are 100 percent. I have almost no doubt about it'.

It takes just 37 days to orbit its sun which means its seasons last for just a few days. One side of the planet always faces its star and basks in perpetual daylight, while the other is in perpetual darkness.


(>> just like our moon ... and there seeeeems to be life at the dark-cold side of the moon too ...)

The most suitable place for life or future human colonists would be in the 'grey' zone - the band between darkness and light that circles the planet.

(>> okay GREY-zone doesnt seem to sound so comfortable ... it links to The Grey's in my mind ...)

'Any emerging life forms would have a wide range of stable climates to choose from and to evolve around, depending on their longitude,' said Dr Vogt who reports the find in the Astrophysical Journal.
If Gliese 581g has a rocky composition similar to the Earth's, its diameter would be about 1.2 to 1.4 times that of the Earth. It's gravity is likely to be similar - allowing a human astronaut to walk on the surface upright without difficulty.
'This planet doesn't have days and nights. Wherever you are on this planet, the sun is in the same position all the time. You have very stable zones where the ecosystem stays the same temperature... basically forever,' Vogt said.





bump

Somehow this discovery adds up in the line of the testimonies from those pilots a few days ago !!!
Total disclosure seems only a footstep away ...

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BEIJING (AFP) - A computer virus dubbed the world's "first cyber superweapon" by experts and which may have been designed to attack Iran's nuclear facilities has found a new target -- China.

The Stuxnet computer worm has wreaked havoc in China, infecting millions of computers around the country, state media reported this week.

Stuxnet is feared by experts around the globe as it can break into computers that control machinery at the heart of industry, allowing an attacker to assume control of critical systems like pumps, motors, alarms and valves.

It could, technically, make factory boilers explode, destroy gas pipelines or even cause a nuclear plant to malfunction.

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Rken, is this what they were talking about years ago when they said all of the computers/electronics made in China had control chips put in them when manufactured, and could be launched at any time in the future???
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Hello Rken, Have you been skippin' on reading the posts??
We talked thorium a couple of weeks back and other post today.... C'mon now if you cheat on the reads no t-shirt for you.....lol BTW did you find out anymore from your wifes info???

afro
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Nope haven't been. But may have missed it. In the process of moving over the last 3 weeks. So life has been a little heck tick. I go to sleep just about the time things get rolling on this thread. Nothing new from wifey. I do remember some posts on thorium, but nothing conclusive about its future. hmmmmmm
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One ton of thorium can produce as much energy as 200 tons of uranium and 3.5 million tons of coal, according to the former director of CERN. via Telegraph

An abundant metal with vast energy potential could quickly wean the world off oil, if only Western political leaders would muster the will to do it.


hi rkn. as a young bloke i got quite excited when i found out about thoriums potential. I soon came down to earth when i found out that back in the early post ww2 era when nuke power was being developed, thorium vs uranium reactors WERE debated. but since the massive cost of research,design and development only one fuel source was developed. This fuel had the value adding feature that made weapons grade plutonium , which back then was in short supply. I dont think anyone has ironed out all the problems they have with getting a thorium reactor up as yet but there may be a pilot plant somewhere by now. Id love to know... anyone???
 Quoting: option8 1115212


Because thorium reactorss present no proliferation risk, and because they solve the safety problems associated with earlier reactors, they will be able to use reasonable rather than obsessive standards for security and reliability. If we can reach the $145-in-1971-dollars/kW milestone experienced by Commonwealth Edison in 1971, we can decrease costs for a 1-gigawatt plant to at most $780 million, rather than the $1,100 million to build such a plant today. In fact, you might be able to go as low as $220 million or below, if 80% of reactor costs truly are attributable to expensive anti-meltdown measures. A thorium reactor does not, in fact, need a containment wall. Putting the reactor vessel in a standard industrial building is sufficient.
[link to www.thorium.tv]

found this


edit to say, prolly worse than spent uranium to the health, only guessing though, always a down side to these things...

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Per Goetz Liedtke on the SCADAlisterve, “Siemens is the market leader in oil drilling control systems. The Deepwater Horizon drilling rig had both Siemens and GE Fanuc equipment, but I believe the latter was in the Blow Out Preventer (yes, off-shore oil drilling rigs use PLCs or controllers in the underwater equipment - even 5000 feet down).”

[link to community.controlglobal.com]

Hmmmm....



Doesn't make any difference whose equipment is being used in a rig if it's being gerry-rigged and then blown into the water.

Perhaps it would matter if Stuxnet has been around longer then we think. Iran maybe just the tip of the iceburg.

From what I understand, Stuxnet has been in the wild for about a year now.
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Correct. The OP of the uvb/sixteen days thread claimed it was released in

2008. The thing I can't get out of my mind is that STUXNET (supposedly)

DOES NOT NEED ANY TYPE OF INTERFACE OR CONNECTION TO SPREAD.

It sounds as though if one part/place resonates at the right frequency

it can set off other places/parts with NO CONTACT!

The ramifications of this are staggering. It is possible that the majority of our

"gas line explosions", and many other increasingly strange shut-downs/

explosions are the result of a computer virus which affects the SIEMENS

control valves, but which spreads "through the ether".



How would you FIND it?


How would you ISOLATE it?


How would you STOP it?
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Hello Rken, Have you been skippin' on reading the posts??
We talked thorium a couple of weeks back and other post today.... C'mon now if you cheat on the reads no t-shirt for you.....lol BTW did you find out anymore from your wifes info???

afro

Nope haven't been. But may have missed it. In the process of moving over the last 3 weeks. So life has been a little heck tick. I go to sleep just about the time things get rolling on this thread. Nothing new from wifey. I do remember some posts on thorium, but nothing conclusive about its future. hmmmmmm
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OK you are back on the t-shirt list...he he he goodnight, my bed time so everyone will be on soon c u x
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