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Bevvy, b4 you go, check your PMs.
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really off now, take care buddy, good vibes for you
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i was recently told by a friend that if you sit back and relax things become apparent

i have not partaken in the conversation because i wanted to understand some theories first

well here is mine:

this whole story is not about LHC or iran or nukes or anything else

it is a story being spead and manipulated in order to become vitrual fact to be used in the liable case against bp in order to ensure survival of the sister with damage reparations.

"it was not our fault, the blow out preventer had been infected by an invisible boogievirus that spreads through the ether. It was some hackers fault"
will be their line of defense and the judge will have to rule in bp's favor (you know how that works at that level)

letting them get away with mass murder on a global scale

how long until people react (in a cohesive peaceful way) i still wonder?

dhlos
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Development of Tiny Thorium Reactors Could Wean the World Off Oil In Just Five Years
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[link to www.popsci.com]

One ton of thorium can produce as much energy as 200 tons of uranium and 3.5 million tons of coal, according to the former director of CERN. via Telegraph

An abundant metal with vast energy potential could quickly wean the world off oil, if only Western political leaders would muster the will to do it.


hi rkn. as a young bloke i got quite excited when i found out about thoriums potential. I soon came down to earth when i found out that back in the early post ww2 era when nuke power was being developed, thorium vs uranium reactors WERE debated. but since the massive cost of research,design and development only one fuel source was developed. This fuel had the value adding feature that made weapons grade plutonium , which back then was in short supply. I dont think anyone has ironed out all the problems they have with getting a thorium reactor up as yet but there may be a pilot plant somewhere by now. Id love to know... anyone???


Because thorium reactorss present no proliferation risk, and because they solve the safety problems associated with earlier reactors, they will be able to use reasonable rather than obsessive standards for security and reliability. If we can reach the $145-in-1971-dollars/kW milestone experienced by Commonwealth Edison in 1971, we can decrease costs for a 1-gigawatt plant to at most $780 million, rather than the $1,100 million to build such a plant today. In fact, you might be able to go as low as $220 million or below, if 80% of reactor costs truly are attributable to expensive anti-meltdown measures. A thorium reactor does not, in fact, need a containment wall. Putting the reactor vessel in a standard industrial building is sufficient.
[link to www.thorium.tv]

found this


edit to say, prolly worse than spent uranium to the health, only guessing though, always a down side to these things...
 Quoting: bevvy


thanks bevvy ,obviously plenty of good clean air blowin across port philip bay ,keepin those brain cell fireing. I think spent thorium has a hugely shorter half life than uranium which was the selling point back then. i read this back before internet so cant give a link,soz.
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a couple of Q & As from Zeta Talk, May 2010
these stood out in relation to this thread....


What effect, do the Zetas predict, will the "7" event have on the already fragile cover-up? [and from another] Will the end of the year, something that finally convince everyone it is the existence of Planet X and the real threat it poses? Will there be something in addition to achieving a mark "7" that will make people reconsider their views?

Nancy has been calling this the threshold year, just as 2009 was, in her mind, the signs-in-the-sky year. Why would signs in the sky not crack the cover-up, and what would cause 2010 to be the year when many cross over into admitting, to themselves and to others, that the government is lying? Up until this point the tightly controlled astronomical community, combined with official pronouncements from NASA, has given the impression that all is normal, despite obvious evidence they are editing SOHO and the placement of the Moon, Sun, and constellations are not where expected. At what point do people start believing their eyes and not believing the experts? The media is fully in hand, avoiding subjects on the ban list and promoting endless distractions while the common man is left to wonder if they are having hallucinations, as the world they see has so many extremes in weather and a trembling Earth - not what the media portrays.

We have predicted that this year, 2010, will be the year when the common man switches from looking to the media and experts for their answers, and to intense and anxious discussions on the Internet and in public gathering places like cafes or bars. What is it then, about 2010, that will push the public over this threshold?

Earthquakes and plate adjustments are described by geologists as lots of shaking but little positional change in the plates. This fits the explanation that anything cataclysmic that happened to the globe to cause positional stress in the plates in the past happened millions of years ago, and all since then has been just settling down from those cataclysms. But why would major plate adjustments happen now? The trend would be in the opposite direction. Rather than a continuation of history, in adjustments, the plates seem to be lifting out of their beds and heaving in directions not historically in evidence. The media can fill up with experts, spouting tectonic plate theory, but this question will remain unanswered in the mind of the common man. Thus, they will seek answers elsewhere.


I just took an airplane flight from the US to Canada, and lo and behold it is substantially warmer here in Canada than in the US. I also flew from East to West which always has headwinds and guess what - almost no headwinds and the flight time was dramatically shorter - first time ever I have experienced that and I have made many many trips going West. I then noticed in the newspaper while on the flight that the weather map for N America showed pockets of hotter air in parts of Canada than almost anywhere in the US. Then when arriving at my destination the radio talked about gusty winds to be expected - which we have been getting practically every couple of days back in the US. And of course, many parts of the US (and elsewhere) have been flip flopping from near record lows to near record highs. I have thought a lot about the Zeta's comment that the weather will blend into one season - can the Zeta's please comment on whether we are now at that point - or whether they are referring to even more extreme and unusual weather related phenomena to come?


Certainly, this is not yet a blending of the seasons. It is an atypical Spring, for you. The Earth wobble does several things to the N American continent. As we have mentioned, most of the time the magnetic N Pole is trying to avoid facing the Sun and the approaching Planet X, so in general the northern hemisphere is colder than usual. This will be the case until the pole shift. In addition to this tilt, there is the daily Earth wobble. The magnetic N Pole of Earth is more centered over Siberia than north of Canada as in the past. Thus when the Sun is overhead in the Pacific or India or Europe, the magnetic N Pole is pushed back over the horizon. When the Sun is overhead in the Americas, the N American continent bounces back, as it is under tension to align with the Sun's magnetic alignment too. When doing so, the globe is pulled under warmer air, suddenly and forcefully. The blending of the seasons is still ahead of you, when the globe starts leaning to its side with greater frequency and for longer periods.

And for Owen

[i]I would think that every amateur astronomer would be screaming bloody murder if say the August sun position did not change. A family member of ours watches the night sky as is his hobby to do and he thinks I am nuts. He of course does not believe px exists or the SOHO captures I have mailed him. He is not aware of sky map being seasonaly off. Humm …[and from another] I don't care what the amateur or professional astronomers say, the sun is setting just left of due north in eastern Iowa and it doesn't even do that at summer solstice! I have planted hydrangeas on the north side of my house this spring and they got sunburn wilt! They have to be watered daily because there is no protection to my north. [and from another] My understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong) is that the Sun should never rise/set or be north of due east/west when viewing it from the Northern Hemisphere. Likewise, the Sun should never rise/set or be south of due east/west when viewing it from the Southern Hemisphere. An equatorial view should have the Sun straight overhead year round. [and from another] In normal circumstances the sun is usually at its max on June 21 in the West at sunset and directly opposite in the am in the East. Observing the sun each evening thus far, puts it beyond the west or even SW where it is supposed to be and almost due north in the NNW at this time of year! If one was not observing it would not be an anomoly. Using the garden fence we track the sun through out the year, it has from September from West to NNW in May. September the sun 'should' be in the more SW position here in NW Saskatchewan, the sun rising 'should' be in the SE position when rising at that time of year. But it hasn't been that way for almost a year. [and from another] When you find Orion in the night sky, you will notice it is in the general area in which it should be, so most people wouldn't analyze it any further than that, and that's the mistake. Orion, as a human figure with a bow and arrow, should be facing the ground, or the horizon if you wish. Instead, it faces straight up in the sky. A skew, in place, of no less than 90 degrees. Orion should never appear as such. If that isn't enough proof, take the constellation just to the bottom left of Orion, which is Canis Major. Canis Major is easy to find because it contains the star Sirius, which is the brightest star in the night sky. If you take the star Sirius, and draw a line to the star just to the right, which is the last star within Canis Major, furthest to the right. That line should then go into the ground/horizon, but instead goes straight up into the sky. Again, a skew in place of 90 degrees or more.

What does the tale about the Emperor's New Clothes teach? That societal pressure to see what others are seeing, and to view what we see through the same colored glasses, is intense. If everyone in a group is, apparently, not seeing what you are seeing, then you doubt your eyes. The public is told by a phalanx of heavyweights that all is normal. The weatherman has long been constrained to stop talking about all the records that are being broken, and forbidden from acting shocked. Anyone who could not comply found themselves with a different job. Astronomers, who began being assassinated starting with the Naval Observatory's Harrington, are required to sign a national security oath and if not, get visits from ominous men in black suits warning them to keep in line. In a close knit profession word gets around when accidents happen, especially after the victim had been struggling with the constraints of the cover-up. Amateurs find them selves puzzled, but because the anomalies they are viewing are not being admitted by the experts, the astronomers, they fall silent. If they raise a flag and insist the professionals address the discrepancies, they find themselves mocked and ridiculed. Certainly, taking the issue to the media gains them nothing. Thus we are left with the Emperor's New Clothes effect. Only those with eyes open, talking on the Internet and among themselves, will change this. But for those too fearful of going against officials, denial is more comfortable even when the facts are staring them in the face.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
 Quoting: bevvy


I quoted the whole thing coz there are to many important frases in it.

Tnx Bevvy !
Very interesting !!!
Many people talked about the changements of the suns'and star's positions ... but we were never believed. (I did it too last year on a dutch forum > ridicul to those who told what they saw ...)
The earth is changing position and TPTB try to do everything to mask it or hide it !

This makes me think :
If our position/wobble has changed ... could our projectory also have been changed slightly ?
Does that make all charts and simulation programs of approaching meteorites andastroids not more accurate ? Is that also a reason why they stoped providing that data ? ...
coz people could connect dots if things would not come and pass like "they should do" ...
hmmmmzzz...
Tnx again !

hf
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Fellow Bezerkers,

I wish to share a quick story of my family vacation, the four of us just got back from visiting my mother in South Carolina. She lives outside of Columbia so not on the shore. Anyhow everything was fine the first couple of days and then they had a line of storms move up from the Gulf region...

Nothing anecdotal about having rashes and swollen eyes..I am so afraid for everyone living in the Gulf States...and the other states whose rain comes from that area...eventually, we will ALL be affected by what's gone on there..one way or another, or infected...what a shame...do take care...and seek medical help if what you have, doesn't go away soon..
 Quoting: breezy



Just a day 3 update. My eyes are noticeably less swollen yet still really red (bags above and below not the whites of my eyes) but the rashes we got under our armpits are getting worse. There is a slight pain associated with them as well, hard to tell if it is because of rash itself or location. Also, my wifes rash on her side has not gotten any better and almost looks like pimples only much not as uniform and with white tips intermediately appearing. We are going to call our doctor and see what she says. Something interesting that I neglected to mention yesterday is the armpit rashes appear to 'be connected' to lymph nodes for lack of better phrasing. Both of us have very tender breast areas and it seems to be a direct line to the rash. Thank you for the words of concern and will continue to update unless you guys think it should go someone else.
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Development of Tiny Thorium Reactors Could Wean the World Off Oil In Just Five Years
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[link to www.popsci.com]

One ton of thorium can produce as much energy as 200 tons of uranium and 3.5 million tons of coal, according to the former director of CERN. via Telegraph

An abundant metal with vast energy potential could quickly wean the world off oil, if only Western political leaders would muster the will to do it.


hi rkn. as a young bloke i got quite excited when i found out about thoriums potential. I soon came down to earth when i found out that back in the early post ww2 era when nuke power was being developed, thorium vs uranium reactors WERE debated. but since the massive cost of research,design and development only one fuel source was developed. This fuel had the value adding feature that made weapons grade plutonium , which back then was in short supply. I dont think anyone has ironed out all the problems they have with getting a thorium reactor up as yet but there may be a pilot plant somewhere by now. Id love to know... anyone???


Because thorium reactorss present no proliferation risk, and because they solve the safety problems associated with earlier reactors, they will be able to use reasonable rather than obsessive standards for security and reliability. If we can reach the $145-in-1971-dollars/kW milestone experienced by Commonwealth Edison in 1971, we can decrease costs for a 1-gigawatt plant to at most $780 million, rather than the $1,100 million to build such a plant today. In fact, you might be able to go as low as $220 million or below, if 80% of reactor costs truly are attributable to expensive anti-meltdown measures. A thorium reactor does not, in fact, need a containment wall. Putting the reactor vessel in a standard industrial building is sufficient.
[link to www.thorium.tv]

found this


edit to say, prolly worse than spent uranium to the health, only guessing though, always a down side to these things...
 Quoting: bevvy

Wasn't there some discussion early on, on this thread about micro organism that collect and deposit thorium from sea water along with gold. Just thought it was interesting and didn't see the linkage being made.
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Per Goetz Liedtke on the SCADAlisterve, “Siemens is the market leader in oil drilling control systems. The Deepwater Horizon drilling rig had both Siemens and GE Fanuc equipment, but I believe the latter was in the Blow Out Preventer (yes, off-shore oil drilling rigs use PLCs or controllers in the underwater equipment - even 5000 feet down).”

[link to community.controlglobal.com]

Hmmmm....



Doesn't make any difference whose equipment is being used in a rig if it's being gerry-rigged and then blown into the water.

Perhaps it would matter if Stuxnet has been around longer then we think. Iran maybe just the tip of the iceburg.

From what I understand, Stuxnet has been in the wild for about a year now.



Correct. The OP of the uvb/sixteen days thread claimed it was released in

2008. The thing I can't get out of my mind is that STUXNET (supposedly)

DOES NOT NEED ANY TYPE OF INTERFACE OR CONNECTION TO SPREAD.

It sounds as though if one part/place resonates at the right frequency

it can set off other places/parts with NO CONTACT!

The ramifications of this are staggering. It is possible that the majority of our

"gas line explosions", and many other increasingly strange shut-downs/

explosions are the result of a computer virus which affects the SIEMENS

control valves, but which spreads "through the ether".



How would you FIND it?


How would you ISOLATE it?


How would you STOP it?
 Quoting: Pondering Mightily

What I have found is that lies stick. This would be the basis of neumonics memory system. Tie something you want to remember with a lie and it sticks.
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Fellow Bezerkers,

I wish to share a quick story of my family vacation, the four of us just got back from visiting my mother in South Carolina. She lives outside of Columbia so not on the shore. Anyhow everything was fine the first couple of days and then they had a line of storms move up from the Gulf region...

Nothing anecdotal about having rashes and swollen eyes..I am so afraid for everyone living in the Gulf States...and the other states whose rain comes from that area...eventually, we will ALL be affected by what's gone on there..one way or another, or infected...what a shame...do take care...and seek medical help if what you have, doesn't go away soon..



Just a day 3 update. My eyes are noticeably less swollen yet still really red (bags above and below not the whites of my eyes) but the rashes we got under our armpits are getting worse. There is a slight pain associated with them as well, hard to tell if it is because of rash itself or location. Also, my wifes rash on her side has not gotten any better and almost looks like pimples only much not as uniform and with white tips intermediately appearing. We are going to call our doctor and see what she says. Something interesting that I neglected to mention yesterday is the armpit rashes appear to 'be connected' to lymph nodes for lack of better phrasing. Both of us have very tender breast areas and it seems to be a direct line to the rash. Thank you for the words of concern and will continue to update unless you guys think it should go someone else.
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I , FOR one , would like you to update here. You are the only first hand account we have of possible "gulf syndrome".Plus im concerned for you guys too.
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BREAKING STUXNET VIRUS HAS TAKEN OVER MILLIONS OF COMPUTERS IN CHINA 1000'S OF FACTORIES AFFECTED ***
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BEIJING (AFP) - A computer virus dubbed the world's "first cyber superweapon" by experts and which may have been designed to attack Iran's nuclear facilities has found a new target -- China.

The Stuxnet computer worm has wreaked havoc in China, infecting millions of computers around the country, state media reported this week.

Stuxnet is feared by experts around the globe as it can break into computers that control machinery at the heart of industry, allowing an attacker to assume control of critical systems like pumps, motors, alarms and valves.

It could, technically, make factory boilers explode, destroy gas pipelines or even cause a nuclear plant to malfunction.

Thread: *** BREAKING STUXNET VIRUS HAS TAKEN OVER MILLIONS OF COMPUTERS IN CHINA 1000'S OF FACTORIES AFFECTED ***
 Quoting: Rken 1115157





The way this thing is spreading is giving credence to the "quantum"

explanation. RUSSIAN FEDERATION OP said the goal of the attack was

china. He said it was just moving in a roundabout way for distraction.

Like a chess game.
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Fellow Bezerkers,

I wish to share a quick story of my family vacation, the four of us just got back from visiting my mother in South Carolina. She lives outside of Columbia so not on the shore. Anyhow everything was fine the first couple of days and then they had a line of storms move up from the Gulf region...

Nothing anecdotal about having rashes and swollen eyes..I am so afraid for everyone living in the Gulf States...and the other states whose rain comes from that area...eventually, we will ALL be affected by what's gone on there..one way or another, or infected...what a shame...do take care...and seek medical help if what you have, doesn't go away soon..



Just a day 3 update. My eyes are noticeably less swollen yet still really red (bags above and below not the whites of my eyes) but the rashes we got under our armpits are getting worse. There is a slight pain associated with them as well, hard to tell if it is because of rash itself or location. Also, my wifes rash on her side has not gotten any better and almost looks like pimples only much not as uniform and with white tips intermediately appearing. We are going to call our doctor and see what she says. Something interesting that I neglected to mention yesterday is the armpit rashes appear to 'be connected' to lymph nodes for lack of better phrasing. Both of us have very tender breast areas and it seems to be a direct line to the rash. Thank you for the words of concern and will continue to update unless you guys think it should go someone else.
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Recommend you get some MMS=sodium chlorite. when mixed with citric acid it creates chlorine dioxide. This is used in hospitals to kill MRSA on hospitol surfaces. It was also used to decontaminate after the anthrax attacks. It kills staff, MRSA and flesh eating bacteria on contact. I have used it internally for a variety of ailments and had no side effects. Acid reflux, arthristic in hips, Dengue Fever, etc. Have one friend that was skin and bones unable to work due to aids. He has now put on weight and is back to work. Great stuff to have around and its cheap. Can be used externally as a wash. It is used in many tooth care products as it eliminates bio-film instantly. I have researched it extensively and have hundreds of links in regards its safety etc. rken
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Per Goetz Liedtke on the SCADAlisterve, “Siemens is the market leader in oil drilling control systems. The Deepwater Horizon drilling rig had both Siemens and GE Fanuc equipment, but I believe the latter was in the Blow Out Preventer (yes, off-shore oil drilling rigs use PLCs or controllers in the underwater equipment - even 5000 feet down).”

[link to community.controlglobal.com]

Hmmmm....



Doesn't make any difference whose equipment is being used in a rig if it's being gerry-rigged and then blown into the water.

Perhaps it would matter if Stuxnet has been around longer then we think. Iran maybe just the tip of the iceburg.

From what I understand, Stuxnet has been in the wild for about a year now.



Correct. The OP of the uvb/sixteen days thread claimed it was released in

2008. The thing I can't get out of my mind is that STUXNET (supposedly)

DOES NOT NEED ANY TYPE OF INTERFACE OR CONNECTION TO SPREAD.

It sounds as though if one part/place resonates at the right frequency

it can set off other places/parts with NO CONTACT!

The ramifications of this are staggering. It is possible that the majority of our

"gas line explosions", and many other increasingly strange shut-downs/

explosions are the result of a computer virus which affects the SIEMENS

control valves, but which spreads "through the ether".



How would you FIND it?


How would you ISOLATE it?


How would you STOP it?

What I have found is that lies stick. This would be the basis of neumonics memory system. Tie something you want to remember with a lie and it sticks.
 Quoting: rken 1115157




Sorry, don't really get what you mean--lies. Do you mean that STUXNET is a

lie? Or that the possibility that Stuxnet affected Deepwater Horizon is

a lie? Thanks.


EDIT for ? mark.

Last Edited by Pondering Mightily on 09/30/2010 10:45 AM
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Thanks for the recommendations, against my better judgment we are going to the doctor @12 EST today. My wife is extremely scared and I am shocked that our dermatologist (who normally requires weeks for an appt, got us in in 1.5 hours). I will update around 3 when we get back.
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i was recently told by a friend that if you sit back and relax things become apparent

i have not partaken in the conversation because i wanted to understand some theories first

well here is mine:

this whole story is not about LHC or iran or nukes or anything else

it is a story being spead and manipulated in order to become vitrual fact to be used in the liable case against bp in order to ensure survival of the sister with damage reparations.

"it was not our fault, the blow out preventer had been infected by an invisible boogievirus that spreads through the ether. It was some hackers fault"
will be their line of defense and the judge will have to rule in bp's favor (you know how that works at that level)

letting them get away with mass murder on a global scale

how long until people react (in a cohesive peaceful way) i still wonder?

dhlos
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In my opinion, after so much reading my brain hurts, I agree with you 100% dhlos. Far too much diversion from the real problem and laying responsibility at bp's door.
Tio
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Per Goetz Liedtke on the SCADAlisterve, “Siemens is the market leader in oil drilling control systems. The Deepwater Horizon drilling rig had both Siemens and GE Fanuc equipment, but I believe the latter was in the Blow Out Preventer (yes, off-shore oil drilling rigs use PLCs or controllers in the underwater equipment - even 5000 feet down).”

[link to community.controlglobal.com]

Hmmmm....



Doesn't make any difference whose equipment is being used in a rig if it's being gerry-rigged and then blown into the water.

Perhaps it would matter if Stuxnet has been around longer then we think. Iran maybe just the tip of the iceburg.

From what I understand, Stuxnet has been in the wild for about a year now.



Correct. The OP of the uvb/sixteen days thread claimed it was released in

2008. The thing I can't get out of my mind is that STUXNET (supposedly)

DOES NOT NEED ANY TYPE OF INTERFACE OR CONNECTION TO SPREAD.


It sounds as though if one part/place resonates at the right frequency

it can set off other places/parts with NO CONTACT!

The ramifications of this are staggering. It is possible that the majority of our

"gas line explosions", and many other increasingly strange shut-downs/

explosions are the result of a computer virus which affects the SIEMENS

control valves, but which spreads "through the ether".



How would you FIND it?


How would you ISOLATE it?


How would you STOP it?

What I have found is that lies stick. This would be the basis of neumonics memory system. Tie something you want to remember with a lie and it sticks.




Sorry, don't really get what you mean--lies. Do you mean that STUXNET is a

lie? Or that the possibility that Stuxnet affected Deepwater Horizon is

a lie? Thanks.


EDIT for ? mark.
 Quoting: Pondering Mightily

see above bolded.
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Also, this was completely blacked out of the US media as far as I know.

[link to www.defenders.org]

"Australian oil rig blowout creates environmental catastrophe

Thanks. Yeah, it was not mentioned at all. Surprise, surprise. ;-)

This was an August 09 spill but still very relevant to the case in hand....
 Quoting: childoflight


If you read my post from yesterday you will see I told everyone that all rigs are being boarded china and Austrailia, they get blown up or if reaction is not quick enough they get ransack and tipped....

I mentioned it is happening everywhere and more often than people would like to know. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OIL, OR BP, AND NEVER HAS BEEN ABOUT THAT. The Oil was not Oil Like people think. Coreexit was not Coreexit like people think either, it was designed to turn something real bad into something hopefully not so bad.

BP is a cover, a front, a fall guy who will never fall as they are doing their duty and what they are told buy those individuals who REALLY are running things....

That is why BP never put in the 20 billion as promised, they were not drilling for oil as people think they were, there were in a forbidden area for a reason and oil exploration was not that reason, that is why they were the ONLY one there...

I hate to see such wonderfully intelligent and astute people on this site chase "Red Herrings" all day for days...It is all a fight for survival and lordship over these lands....We are here and caught in the middle of huge vice hanging on for our race. We alone cannot deal with what has been unleashed on the surface in the 6 months albeit it started probably 3 years ago but the major assault started in the last 4 months.

It is going to geometrically progress at a frightening pace and I guess we will have to see how we are woefully unprepared for the coming "Judgement" for lack of a better word and I don't say that with Revelation undertones either.
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i was recently told by a friend that if you sit back and relax things become apparent

i have not partaken in the conversation because i wanted to understand some theories first

well here is mine:

this whole story is not about LHC or iran or nukes or anything else

it is a story being spead and manipulated in order to become vitrual fact to be used in the liable case against bp in order to ensure survival of the sister with damage reparations.

"it was not our fault, the blow out preventer had been infected by an invisible boogievirus that spreads through the ether. It was some hackers fault"
will be their line of defense and the judge will have to rule in bp's favor (you know how that works at that level)

letting them get away with mass murder on a global scale

how long until people react (in a cohesive peaceful way) i still wonder?

dhlos


In my opinion, after so much reading my brain hurts, I agree with you 100% dhlos. Far too much diversion from the real problem and laying responsibility at bp's door.
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I only have one problem with your synopsis. It would seem that this is becoming a global event with reports about infections coming in from around the world. Not saying that BP would not try to use this most opportune event to their advantage. But something like this would have to be proved in court, doubt if just claiming it to be true is going to wash. If you know what I mean.
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Also, this was completely blacked out of the US media as far as I know.

[link to www.defenders.org]

"Australian oil rig blowout creates environmental catastrophe

Thanks. Yeah, it was not mentioned at all. Surprise, surprise. ;-)

This was an August 09 spill but still very relevant to the case in hand....


If you read my post from yesterday you will see I told everyone that all rigs are being boarded china and Austrailia, they get blown up or if reaction is not quick enough they get ransack and tipped....

I mentioned it is happening everywhere and more often than people would like to know. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OIL, OR BP, AND NEVER HAS BEEN ABOUT THAT. The Oil was not Oil Like people think. Coreexit was not Coreexit like people think either, it was designed to turn something real bad into something hopefully not so bad.

BP is a cover, a front, a fall guy who will never fall as they are doing their duty and what they are told buy those individuals who REALLY are running things....

That is why BP never put in the 20 billion as promised, they were not drilling for oil as people think they were, there were in a forbidden area for a reason and oil exploration was not that reason, that is why they were the ONLY one there...

I hate to see such wonderfully intelligent and astute people on this site chase "Red Herrings" all day for days...It is all a fight for survival and lordship over these lands....We are here and caught in the middle of huge vice hanging on for our race. We alone cannot deal with what has been unleashed on the surface in the 6 months albeit it started probably 3 years ago but the major assault started in the last 4 months.

It is going to geometrically progress at a frightening pace and I guess we will have to see how we are woefully unprepared for the coming "Judgement" for lack of a better word and I don't say that with Revelation undertones either.
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Thanks for the info. could you please give more info on who is doing the boarding, what bp was doing in the gulf, link to you thread, and who we are in the middle of. thanks
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a couple of Q & As from Zeta Talk, May 2010
these stood out in relation to this thread....


Of all the people I have been reading over say...the last year. You stood out the most and compel me to take notice, I had a strong feeling that you would “bite” on what I posted yesterday because you have a good “sense of smell” , to not put too fine a point on it. A little behind you was some person named “Breezy”, I also see something in that person as well.
I can see it, the Dutch are not just around and where they are just because of luck, and it was no coincidence why America’s first corporation and still the controlling corporation (I might add) in the US was the DUTCH East India Trading Company. If you can find a bonefide copy of the “Round Robin” charter signed by the charter members, that actually shows the characters and symbols next to people’s names you might find some interesting things there that may shed some light also. Your people have a little more MOJO than just a bunch of big beautiful Vikings who clobbered the French so much that the French King gave them land if they just stopped whipping his butt and taking his women.
I don’t know what ID or poster info shows up on me, if I can remember to do it I will put “sumdumguy” as my poster identification in the future so I can stand behind what I post as it is important. I hate to see so many wonderfully intelligent and astute people chasing Red Herrings, It is great to see so many of these “types” seeking to be brought from darkness to light. Many I see seem like to pace around in the dark almost as if they enjoy it. 
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Per Goetz Liedtke on the SCADAlisterve, “Siemens is the market leader in oil drilling control systems. The Deepwater Horizon drilling rig had both Siemens and GE Fanuc equipment, but I believe the latter was in the Blow Out Preventer (yes, off-shore oil drilling rigs use PLCs or controllers in the underwater equipment - even 5000 feet down).”

[link to community.controlglobal.com]

Hmmmm....



Doesn't make any difference whose equipment is being used in a rig if it's being gerry-rigged and then blown into the water.

Perhaps it would matter if Stuxnet has been around longer then we think. Iran maybe just the tip of the iceburg.

From what I understand, Stuxnet has been in the wild for about a year now.



Correct. The OP of the uvb/sixteen days thread claimed it was released in

2008. The thing I can't get out of my mind is that STUXNET (supposedly)

DOES NOT NEED ANY TYPE OF INTERFACE OR CONNECTION TO SPREAD.


It sounds as though if one part/place resonates at the right frequency

it can set off other places/parts with NO CONTACT!

The ramifications of this are staggering. It is possible that the majority of our

"gas line explosions", and many other increasingly strange shut-downs/

explosions are the result of a computer virus which affects the SIEMENS

control valves, but which spreads "through the ether".



How would you FIND it?


How would you ISOLATE it?


How would you STOP it?

What I have found is that lies stick. This would be the basis of neumonics memory system. Tie something you want to remember with a lie and it sticks.




Sorry, don't really get what you mean--lies. Do you mean that STUXNET is a

lie? Or that the possibility that Stuxnet affected Deepwater Horizon is

a lie? Thanks.


EDIT for ? mark.

see above bolded.
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I see your point RKEN. the above bolded is a THEORY. Not a proven

fact. However, with the new evidence that STUXNET is spreading like

wildfire, along with Russian Federation OP's claim that the target is China

(this claim was made when only Iran was affected), and with the new

breakdown of computer systems in China, it is a theory which is

resonating ever more strongly with me. ; )
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Also, RKEN, you may have missed my previous posts in which I addressed

the issue that there is a claim by OP on the "uvb/sixteen days" thread that

this is a QUANTUM virus. IF that were the case, then it's behavior would be

unlike anything we've seen before. That IS how it looks to me. If this thing

keeps going at anywhere near it's present rate, I don't think it would be

possible to even calculate the consequences.
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Also, this was completely blacked out of the US media as far as I know.

[link to www.defenders.org]

"Australian oil rig blowout creates environmental catastrophe

Thanks. Yeah, it was not mentioned at all. Surprise, surprise. ;-)

This was an August 09 spill but still very relevant to the case in hand....
 Quoting: childoflight


look up on You Tube the Asia report about a "listing" oil platform the some "storm" tilted at about a 30 degree angle.

You will see an Helo exfil of the crew of "chinese" workers. Look VERY carefully at who is corralling the crew up to the higest corner. You should also notice big black cables coming from the water at also about a 30 degree angle opposite the list of the rig.

Notice the oddly shapped black smoke seeming to appear and do strange things that smoke doesn't do. Smoke and Mirror is SOOOO appropriate in this case. If you can adjust the screen color, hue, saturation, contrast, noise you will see many VERY interresting players in that drama.
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Per Goetz Liedtke on the SCADAlisterve, “Siemens is the market leader in oil drilling control systems. The Deepwater Horizon drilling rig had both Siemens and GE Fanuc equipment, but I believe the latter was in the Blow Out Preventer (yes, off-shore oil drilling rigs use PLCs or controllers in the underwater equipment - even 5000 feet down).”

[link to community.controlglobal.com]

Hmmmm....



Doesn't make any difference whose equipment is being used in a rig if it's being gerry-rigged and then blown into the water.

Perhaps it would matter if Stuxnet has been around longer then we think. Iran maybe just the tip of the iceburg.

From what I understand, Stuxnet has been in the wild for about a year now.



Correct. The OP of the uvb/sixteen days thread claimed it was released in

2008. The thing I can't get out of my mind is that STUXNET (supposedly)

DOES NOT NEED ANY TYPE OF INTERFACE OR CONNECTION TO SPREAD.


It sounds as though if one part/place resonates at the right frequency

it can set off other places/parts with NO CONTACT!

The ramifications of this are staggering. It is possible that the majority of our

"gas line explosions", and many other increasingly strange shut-downs/

explosions are the result of a computer virus which affects the SIEMENS

control valves, but which spreads "through the ether".



How would you FIND it?


How would you ISOLATE it?


How would you STOP it?

What I have found is that lies stick. This would be the basis of neumonics memory system. Tie something you want to remember with a lie and it sticks.




Sorry, don't really get what you mean--lies. Do you mean that STUXNET is a

lie? Or that the possibility that Stuxnet affected Deepwater Horizon is

a lie? Thanks.


EDIT for ? mark.

see above bolded.




I see your point RKEN. the above bolded is a THEORY. Not a proven

fact. However, with the new evidence that STUXNET is spreading like

wildfire, along with Russian Federation OP's claim that the target is China

(this claim was made when only Iran was affected), and with the new

breakdown of computer systems in China, it is a theory which is

resonating ever more strongly with me. ; )
 Quoting: Pondering Mightily

Well if your theory is correct tptb would seem to be in some pretty deep shit. And it usually roles down hill.

The thought of human having this kind of technology is truly scary as we don't have a very good track record given this much power. One thing I was thinking was perhaps it was and is time released, allowing it to get deeply inbeded in the world comp systems before becoming apparent. I believe it might also be electrically related. Another words it is infecting comp through there power supply. Could perhaps electrical supply systems be carrying the virus. this would be an avenue of infection that most would not suspect. Puzzling to say the least.
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Fellow Bezerkers,

I wish to share a quick story of my family vacation, the four of us just got back from visiting my mother in South Carolina. She lives outside of Columbia so not on the shore. Anyhow everything was fine the first couple of days and then they had a line of storms move up from the Gulf region...

Nothing anecdotal about having rashes and swollen eyes..I am so afraid for everyone living in the Gulf States...and the other states whose rain comes from that area...eventually, we will ALL be affected by what's gone on there..one way or another, or infected...what a shame...do take care...and seek medical help if what you have, doesn't go away soon..



Just a day 3 update. My eyes are noticeably less swollen yet still really red (bags above and below not the whites of my eyes) but the rashes we got under our armpits are getting worse. There is a slight pain associated with them as well, hard to tell if it is because of rash itself or location. Also, my wifes rash on her side has not gotten any better and almost looks like pimples only much not as uniform and with white tips intermediately appearing. We are going to call our doctor and see what she says. Something interesting that I neglected to mention yesterday is the armpit rashes appear to 'be connected' to lymph nodes for lack of better phrasing. Both of us have very tender breast areas and it seems to be a direct line to the rash. Thank you for the words of concern and will continue to update unless you guys think it should go someone else.
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hf
do what you must to overcome
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Also, RKEN, you may have missed my previous posts in which I addressed

the issue that there is a claim by OP on the "uvb/sixteen days" thread that

this is a QUANTUM virus. IF that were the case, then it's behavior would be

unlike anything we've seen before. That IS how it looks to me. If this thing

keeps going at anywhere near it's present rate, I don't think it would be

possible to even calculate the consequences.
 Quoting: Pondering Mightily


Agree the consequences would be unimaginable. I saw your post here and in the russian thread. Quantum, I understand the basis for this as a possibility, but wasn't aware that anyone really had this type of tech. suprise, suprise if true. If this tech is available it could used on any system includig human systems. Since all points existing anywhere would be vulnerable to attact. I do hope this is not the case. nothing personal.lol
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Also, this was completely blacked out of the US media as far as I know.

[link to www.defenders.org]

"Australian oil rig blowout creates environmental catastrophe

Thanks. Yeah, it was not mentioned at all. Surprise, surprise. ;-)

This was an August 09 spill but still very relevant to the case in hand....


look up on You Tube the Asia report about a "listing" oil platform the some "storm" tilted at about a 30 degree angle.

You will see an Helo exfil of the crew of "chinese" workers. Look VERY carefully at who is corralling the crew up to the higest corner. You should also notice big black cables coming from the water at also about a 30 degree angle opposite the list of the rig.

Notice the oddly shapped black smoke seeming to appear and do strange things that smoke doesn't do. Smoke and Mirror is SOOOO appropriate in this case. If you can adjust the screen color, hue, saturation, contrast, noise you will see many VERY interresting players in that drama.
 Quoting: sumdumguy 1113861

Nothing personal. But if you have something to say, say it. I am really sick and tired of people posting innuendos, and not explaining themselves. Like its some big game. Enough bullshit just say it man. If what you say is true or if I need confirmation with my own eyes I can always proceed to the link. Which by the way you didn't give to the U Tube vid. If this is a test to see if I'm worthy enough, by chasing down your leads, I would rather not play. Thanks anyway. I would like to know what you have found out, so if you want to just spit it out, that would be nice. thanks
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Also, this was completely blacked out of the US media as far as I know.

[link to www.defenders.org]

"Australian oil rig blowout creates environmental catastrophe

Thanks. Yeah, it was not mentioned at all. Surprise, surprise. ;-)

This was an August 09 spill but still very relevant to the case in hand....


look up on You Tube the Asia report about a "listing" oil platform the some "storm" tilted at about a 30 degree angle.

You will see an Helo exfil of the crew of "chinese" workers. Look VERY carefully at who is corralling the crew up to the higest corner. You should also notice big black cables coming from the water at also about a 30 degree angle opposite the list of the rig.

Notice the oddly shapped black smoke seeming to appear and do strange things that smoke doesn't do. Smoke and Mirror is SOOOO appropriate in this case. If you can adjust the screen color, hue, saturation, contrast, noise you will see many VERY interresting players in that drama.

Nothing personal. But if you have something to say, say it. I am really sick and tired of people posting innuendos, and not explaining themselves. Like its some big game. Enough bullshit just say it man. If what you say is true or if I need confirmation with my own eyes I can always proceed to the link. Which by the way you didn't give to the U Tube vid. If this is a test to see if I'm worthy enough, by chasing down your leads, I would rather not play. Thanks anyway. I would like to know what you have found out, so if you want to just spit it out, that would be nice. thanks
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My kinda poster.

I tried to find the youtube video and failed.

Talk of smoke and mirrors, then the same tactic is used by the accuser.

Now we have nancy lieder appearing too, LMAO.
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Also, this was completely blacked out of the US media as far as I know.

[link to www.defenders.org]

"Australian oil rig blowout creates environmental catastrophe

Thanks. Yeah, it was not mentioned at all. Surprise, surprise. ;-)

This was an August 09 spill but still very relevant to the case in hand....


If you read my post from yesterday you will see I told everyone that all rigs are being boarded china and Austrailia, they get blown up or if reaction is not quick enough they get ransack and tipped....

I mentioned it is happening everywhere and more often than people would like to know. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OIL, OR BP, AND NEVER HAS BEEN ABOUT THAT. The Oil was not Oil Like people think. Coreexit was not Coreexit like people think either, it was designed to turn something real bad into something hopefully not so bad.

BP is a cover, a front, a fall guy who will never fall as they are doing their duty and what they are told buy those individuals who REALLY are running things....

That is why BP never put in the 20 billion as promised, they were not drilling for oil as people think they were, there were in a forbidden area for a reason and oil exploration was not that reason, that is why they were the ONLY one there...

I hate to see such wonderfully intelligent and astute people on this site chase "Red Herrings" all day for days...It is all a fight for survival and lordship over these lands....We are here and caught in the middle of huge vice hanging on for our race. We alone cannot deal with what has been unleashed on the surface in the 6 months albeit it started probably 3 years ago but the major assault started in the last 4 months.

It is going to geometrically progress at a frightening pace and I guess we will have to see how we are woefully unprepared for the coming "Judgement" for lack of a better word and I don't say that with Revelation undertones either.
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so the sea was becoming poison from before the DWH explotion and bp as a front man is trying to fix it?

would it be more simple to explain to people that in truth rather than all this gagging and deceitfulness bull?
In addition to why would they need to kill 11 people to do all this benevolence for mankind in secret?

curious of your info
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Also, RKEN, you may have missed my previous posts in which I addressed

the issue that there is a claim by OP on the "uvb/sixteen days" thread that

this is a QUANTUM virus. IF that were the case, then it's behavior would be

unlike anything we've seen before. That IS how it looks to me. If this thing

keeps going at anywhere near it's present rate, I don't think it would be

possible to even calculate the consequences.

 Quoting: Pondering Mightily

Unfortunately, for IT pros such as myself, we have calculated the consequences. The *potential* here is staggering when these events become common -- not at sea -- but on land.

How many of us live near, or downwind of, industrial production? How many disasters in human history were not from a single failure, but a culmination of many failures within a critical time window?

Some are worried about nukes, EMPs and solar destruction of Western civilization. This 'infrastructure' weapon has the same *potential*.

I stress the word potential, because that is what it is. However, today's news about China would confirm worst-case fears.

Sometimes I wish I did not know what I know and was one of the sheep. ;-) :-(
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i was recently told by a friend that if you sit back and relax things become apparent

i have not partaken in the conversation because i wanted to understand some theories first

well here is mine:

this whole story is not about LHC or iran or nukes or anything else

it is a story being spead and manipulated in order to become vitrual fact to be used in the liable case against bp in order to ensure survival of the sister with damage reparations.

"it was not our fault, the blow out preventer had been infected by an invisible boogievirus that spreads through the ether. It was some hackers fault"
will be their line of defense and the judge will have to rule in bp's favor (you know how that works at that level)

letting them get away with mass murder on a global scale

how long until people react (in a cohesive peaceful way) i still wonder?

dhlos


In my opinion, after so much reading my brain hurts, I agree with you 100% dhlos. Far too much diversion from the real problem and laying responsibility at bp's door.

I only have one problem with your synopsis. It would seem that this is becoming a global event with reports about infections coming in from around the world. Not saying that BP would not try to use this most opportune event to their advantage. But something like this would have to be proved in court, doubt if just claiming it to be true is going to wash. If you know what I mean.
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you said it
i said the same
msm is reporting such (or am i mistaken?) soon to be derived as facts by a court of law
so what the problem with my hypothesis?
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Can we revisit the title page.

Has anyone got ANY information about the original talking point?

Did a sub get attacked by anyone to start with? If not, then the rest of the thread would be mute. I'm sure the corexit and other shit they spray and administer has some wicked side effects Etc, however, that doesn't relate to the morphing organism that was mentioned, talking of which, why would they attack the French sub knowing that they had this organism aboard? Surely the risk of releasing the buggers would outweigh the benefits on retrieving the samples.

Op will probably return with stories of how the human race was saved in the nick of time by him and his mates. And everyone will be enthralled, cheering, congratulating each other on job well done. Then looking for their next fix of doom on another thread.


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