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You guys need to read this thread if you are not following it.

Thread: UVB-76 - Important message in 16 days. (Page 33)
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been following it...thanks
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Probably the last Crop Circle of the season and this one carries a message to be sure.........
[link to www.cropcircleconnector.com]
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I think the message is clear.
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Probably the last Crop Circle of the season and this one carries a message to be sure.........
[link to www.cropcircleconnector.com]


I think the message is clear.
 Quoting: American Mentat



Which is ...?
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While they're STILL spraying (vid in earlier post)?

Chris Kirkham, The Times-Picayune

The federal government has reopened 5,600 square miles of the Gulf of Mexico west of the Mississippi River delta to commercial and recreational fishing, effective today at 5 p.m

[link to www.nola.com]



They've opened an area for commercial fishing where they are not opening the Louisiana ports for commercial shipping.

What's wrong with that picture?

Ship Traffic:

Texas: 787

Louisiana: 153

Florida: 46

In June the water was boiling like acid on Pensacola beach!Maybe it still is? [link to www.dailypaul.com]
 Quoting: childoflight

bumpFor hopeful further consideration!!!In my opinion the water was boiling with methane gas.That would be a good reason to keep ships away.I don't know how to embed video but if someone does Pensicola Gregg has a great one on YouTube entitled sea water boiling like acid or something of the sort!!!!!!!!!
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Probably the last Crop Circle of the season and this one carries a message to be sure.........
[link to www.cropcircleconnector.com]


I think the message is clear.

solar metastasis

Which is ...?
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Yikes. The thread is gone way beserk. Brad Pitt and the pope? Bring on the tattle rags and gossip sheets and let us leave no dots unconnected.

Here's the Mail with the latest poop on the Killer Worm:


Computer worm attacking Iran's nuclear facilities 'includes Biblical link to Israel'



Israel has been linked to a complex worm currently attacking computers in Iran, which experts claim may have been designed to target the country's nuclear facilities.

The Stuxnet worm, supposedly aimed at slowing Iran's desire to create a nuclear arsenal, appears to include a reference to a Biblical story in which Jews pre-empt a Persian plot to destroy them.

The New York Times reports a file inside the Stuxnet code is named 'Myrtus' - a reference to the Hebrew word Esther, the same name as the Old Testament book in which the story appears.


<snip> <edit>


Iran said this week that Stuxnet is continuing to mutate and wreaking havoc on computerised industrial equipment.


Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

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solar metastasis
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Probably the last Crop Circle of the season and this one carries a message to be sure.........
[link to www.cropcircleconnector.com]


I think the message is clear.



Which is ...?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1116840


The second area from the left represents a pie chart.

The middle section represents a journey.

The section on the left is the earth and the moon and the part on the far right represents the larger cosmos.

A portion of the Earth's population will join the galaxy.
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solar metastasis
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Dhlos you have me confused?Seriously?I saw two beings separated by love!It was recent and noone had commented on it yet.I thought that it was simple but beautiful................
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solar metastasis
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Would appreciate if you could please expain metastasis as you see it related to this.

To me, starting at the left, the off centered ball represents an unbalanced world, the earth. the second sphere represents the earth in an embryo state...a rebirth. That follows through the interstellar cloud to the third sphere showing the inner circle, the earth, in balance once again.

Just my take.
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Probably the last Crop Circle of the season and this one carries a message to be sure.........
[link to www.cropcircleconnector.com]


I think the message is clear.



Which is ...?


The second area from the left represents a pie chart.

The middle section represents a journey.

The section on the left is the earth and the moon and the part on the far right represents the larger cosmos.

A portion of the Earth's population will join the galaxy.
 Quoting: American Mentat


Another interpretation is that the curvy section is DNA.

The left represents our current state of incompleteness.

The second from the left represents that which is missing.

The part on the right represents our state after completion.

It could be all this, IMHO, two meanings.
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Probably the last Crop Circle of the season and this one carries a message to be sure.........
[link to www.cropcircleconnector.com]


I think the message is clear.



Which is ...?


The second area from the left represents a pie chart.

The middle section represents a journey.

The section on the left is the earth and the moon and the part on the far right represents the larger cosmos.

A portion of the Earth's population will join the galaxy.
 Quoting: American Mentat

That is a nice interpretation A M ...........
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Iran said this week that Stuxnet is continuing to mutate and wreaking havoc on computerised industrial equipment.


Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
 Quoting: Ahim-sa



Ya gotta admire it when someone designs something as elegant as the stuxnet worm.
There's always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this miserable little planet, and the only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT!

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Just had a couple of glitches hit my computer system. IT is stable for now. Hope it holds up. I'll track down the problem. Just in my system, not my family's server.

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There's always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this miserable little planet, and the only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT!

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The GREEN Comet is on it's way!
APPROACHING COMET: Green comet 103P/Hartley 2 is approaching Earth for a close encounter on Oct. 20th. At that time, the comet will be only 11 million miles from Earth and should be dimly visible to the naked eye from dark sky sites. It already looks great through backyard telescopes. Italian amateur astronomer Toni Scarmato took this picture on Sept. 29th using a 10-inch reflector:

[link to www.spaceweather.com]

He caught the comet gliding by lambda Cassiopeia, a 6th magnitude double star. "In 7x50 binoculars, the comet is diffuse and very large," says Scarmato. "I estimate its size around 20-arcminutes and brightness at magnitude +7.5."
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solar metastasis

Dhlos you have me confused?Seriously?I saw two beings separated by love!It was recent and noone had commented on it yet.I thought that it was simple but beautiful................
 Quoting: childoflight


love should not separate it should attract ChOfLight


Would appreciate if you could please expain metastasis as you see it related to this.

To me, starting at the left, the off centered ball represents an unbalanced world, the earth. the second sphere represents the earth in an embryo state...a rebirth. That follows through the interstellar cloud to the third sphere showing the inner circle, the earth, in balance once again.

Just my take.
 Quoting: 1116822


meta = after
stasis = state/position/stop

i see a change though a process
metamorphosis maybe is a better analogy

morphi = shape/appearance

its just what i see with no sleep at 8:00am

maybe my mind is playing tricks on me
maybe its in the eye of the beholder
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An interesting read on Stuxnet............
[link to www.cmoslabs.com]
 Quoting: childoflight

Yes, a well written article for non-IT folks to absorb. Now, you can see why this is so worrisome on several levels. As I indicated the other day, the *potential* is staggering for those that understand the technicals. This article helps the laymen grasp that potential.

This is not over, even if Iran's plant was indeed targeted and then damaged.

As an aside, one thing you might notice from that article is a total lack of any mention regarding quantum computing. I know where that reference started (another GLP thread), but for a number of reasons, it's not applicable here and only confuses and sensationalizes capabilities (which are sensational enough!)

You will note, that infections are occurring worldwide, including North America. The actual target(s) remain unknown, nor is it known if (or when) those infected Siemens PLCs will be commanded to wreak havoc.

I hope not, but the *potential* does exist. We just don't know. If any of our respective global agencies do know, they are not saying, for obvious reasons.

At any rate, just wanted to say thanks for the article I can forward to family and friends they can wrap their heads around.

Goofy Thum

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solar metastasis

Dhlos you have me confused?Seriously?I saw two beings separated by love!It was recent and noone had commented on it yet.I thought that it was simple but beautiful................


love should not separate it should attract ChOfLight



Would appreciate if you could please expain metastasis as you see it related to this.

To me, starting at the left, the off centered ball represents an unbalanced world, the earth. the second sphere represents the earth in an embryo state...a rebirth. That follows through the interstellar cloud to the third sphere showing the inner circle, the earth, in balance once again.

Just my take.


meta = after
stasis = state/position/stop

i see a change though a process
metamorphosis maybe is a better analogy

morphi = shape/appearance

its just what i see with no sleep at 8:00am

maybe my mind is playing tricks on me
maybe its in the eye of the beholder
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Gotcha...I agree. And also, you do just fine with no sleep.
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Iran said this week that Stuxnet is continuing to mutate and wreaking havoc on computerised industrial equipment.


Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]



Ya gotta admire it when someone designs something as elegant as the stuxnet worm.
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I think I must agree with that...this is very sophisticated..
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Whew. Thought I'd lose my system there. But all ok now. cleaned out the dust! :)
There's always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this miserable little planet, and the only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT!

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Ya gotta admire it when someone designs something as elegant as the stuxnet worm.


I think I must agree with that...this is very sophisticated..
 Quoting: breezy

I don't admire anyone that does this, because it has the potential of hitting beyond the intended target(s). More importantly, it serves as a proof of concept and design pattern for others to model after.

I also don't admire companies who perpetually create crap software (Microsoft) or who hard-code critical passwords (Siemens) into vital control mechanisms. In both cases, the crackers exploited these deficiencies in a clever, but unsophisticated manner. There is nothing new in how this was designed to spread. It was simply exploiting glaring weaknesses in vendor code, beit Windows or firmware on the PLCs.

Now, with that said, there is sophistication and it comes with the targeting system built into it. By discerning the type of system, it will set up shop and wait, or not. As to what it does once activated, is not so much a matter of sophistication as it is just taking control of some aspect of the physical hardware.

This worm's success hinges on leveraging software defects and piss-poor designs. Much in the same way a disaster is usually a culmination of seemingly minor failures/mistakes, that when taken together lead to bad things.
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So, our OP specifically stated that IRAN was not part of the picture, yet we are all diverting so much time and effort to STUX and implications in IRAN.

We've trusted OP, GF and Acolyte to date.

Maybe we could return to working out more of that code, like who or what KremPP is. I can help it, but my sorry old eyes keep seeing K R (em=Emeraude?) P P. I've giggled it and searched high and low, but cant pull anything together.

I just re-read all of Krispy's OP postings.. again.

Surely there is much more relevant info in there?
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So, our OP specifically stated that IRAN was not part of the picture, yet we are all diverting so much time and effort to STUX and implications in IRAN.

We've trusted OP, GF and Acolyte to date.

Maybe we could return to working out more of that code, like who or what KremPP is. I can help it, but my sorry old eyes keep seeing K R (em=Emeraude?) P P. I've giggled it and searched high and low, but cant pull anything together.

I just re-read all of Krispy's OP postings.. again.

Surely there is much more relevant info in there?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1111604

Long ago someone suggested KremPP could be the Kremlin, specifically (former) President Putin. FWIW.

As for Stuxnet, I threw that into the ring as a possible area to explore, among many others that have and are being discussed. From there two GLP threads were cross referenced and we swerved off the road into quantum mechanics land. LOL!

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Dont get me wrong, STUX is fascinating, and totally mainstream now, hell I even got a notification from my virus protection linking an article! I still think STUX is deeper than reported, hard coded, rather than exploiting hard coding in various systems.

Maybe on the 13th all will be 'switched off', so we have to look at the big tele in the sky for info.
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Dhlos, can you elaborate on one-stone please?

I thought Mas ons.
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"Long ago someone suggested KremPP could be the Kremlin, specifically (former) President Putin. FWIW."

That seemed too easy for me!
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Sometimes it sux being on this side of the planet..

Bev', O'8??
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Just because I might admire the intelligence involved in writing that program, and feel it's pretty darned sophisticated....doesn't mean I admire those who set it into motion, or their ultimate intent....the fact that they could and did w/o detection is downright scary....and I wonder just what the target is...perhaps we are being misled about it being the nuke site in Iran...we are sure being pushed that way, but...how many systems are there worldwide that this worm will affect??? how about subs/aircraft carriers/weapons systems/satellites/ISS/commercial airliners/nuke sites worldwide/electrical systems/banking systems/deep sea oil drillers, or the internet itself...after all...how better to get contol of the internet, than to do it for "our protection"....

It's obvious that no one knows what all could be involved or end up being a target....and scarier still is that perhaps by the time those responsible are caught up with...the damage it caused will be irreversible.....there are always unknown unknowns...and those are the ones that cause the most trouble..perhaps it might even come back and bite those responsible right where it hurts the most...
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Stuxnet is admirable in a perverse sort of way since it got through some of the better AV 's in the industry. Most of the worms and viruses can be/are written by a reasonably bright 12 year old and they walk right through Microsoft's alleged "security." Bill Gates should be hung from a lamppost by the feet and used as a piñata.

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Just because I might admire the intelligence involved in writing that program, and feel it's pretty darned sophisticated....doesn't mean I admire those who set it into motion, or their ultimate intent....the fact that they could and did w/o detection is downright scary....and I wonder just what the target is...perhaps we are being misled about it being the nuke site in Iran...we are sure being pushed that way, but...how many systems are there worldwide that this worm will affect??? how about subs/aircraft carriers/weapons systems/satellites/ISS/commercial airliners/nuke sites worldwide/electrical systems/banking systems/deep sea oil drillers, or the internet itself...after all...how better to get contol of the internet, than to do it for "our protection"....

It's obvious that no one knows what all could be involved or end up being a target....and scarier still is that perhaps by the time those responsible are caught up with...the damage it caused will be irreversible.....there are always unknown unknowns...and those are the ones that cause the most trouble..perhaps it might even come back and bite those responsible right where it hurts the most...
 Quoting: breezy

Understood. It's a sore spot for me much in the same way a medical professional would feel about those that spread biologicals as a weapon.

As for the worm damaging some of the areas you mention (ISS, satellites, etc), this does not appear to be the case. The worm targets a very specific hardware configuration, and is limited to Siemens PLCs -- such as those found in oil pipeline valves.

If you want something realistic to be concerned with, I'll leave you with this one: what other worm using the same Stuxnet design pattern is in the wild today? It was reported that Stuxnet was first identified in late spring, but is suspected to have been in the wild longer. Meaning, it remained undetected for quite awhile. So, is there another Stuxnet-like worm in the wild today that could impact the areas you mention? It's possible.

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