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Something Just Went BEZERK in the Gulf of Mexico. The US Navy just sunk a French Submarine

 
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STOP USING YOUR IMAGINATION
I AM NOT YELLING
THAT IS YOU THINKING IT
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Also, if this technology works, then the U.S. has an extremely 'green' oil extraction and processing technique. The ideal place to use this is on the last unexploited continent in the world ~ Antarctica. Why else would the U.S. military consider an ice breaking mission to scientific stations so important. "Operation Deep Freeze involves U.S. Air Force, Navy, Army and Coast Guard forces operational and logistic support of the National Science Foundation's scientific research activities in Antarctica."
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From Synthetic Genomics site, their investors list:

Synthetic Genomics Inc. (SGI) is a privately-held company founded in the spring of 2005 by J. Craig Venter, Ph.D, Nobel Laureate Hamilton O. Smith, M.D., Juan Enriquez and David Kiernan, M.D., J.D. In 2006 SGI raised its Series A round of financing from Draper Fisher Juvetson, Meteor Group, Biotechonomy LLC and Plenus, S.A. de C.V. In 2007 SGI closed its Series B round of financing with BP plc and ACGT Sdn Bhd.
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all we know is that the day after this supposedly happened, our ambassador to France was summoned..does that mean anything...??? who knows...obviously we weren't there...
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Also, if this technology works, then the U.S. has an extremely 'green' oil extraction and processing technique. The ideal place to use this is on the last unexploited continent in the world ~ Antarctica. Why else would the U.S. military consider an ice breaking mission to scientific stations so important. "Operation Deep Freeze involves U.S. Air Force, Navy, Army and Coast Guard forces operational and logistic support of the National Science Foundation's scientific research activities in Antarctica."
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So basically in a nut shell, what you're stating is, it is a big lab experiment, and it will be for harvesting algae? I just got this big sense of Deja vu,lol.
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Oh, and I want to add this, with unknown effects or success?
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Both above posts are mine.
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So basically in a nut shell, what you're stating is, it is a big lab experiment, and it will be for harvesting algae? I just got this big sense of Deja vu,lol.
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Not harvesting algae, collecting and refining the oil directly in one step.
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Not harvesting algae, collecting and refining the oil directly in one step.

By harvesting from the algae.

The algae we don't have yet, but will soon I might add.

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So basically in a nut shell, what you're stating is, it is a big lab experiment, and it will be for harvesting algae? I just got this big sense of Deja vu,lol.


Not harvesting algae, collecting and refining the oil directly in one step.
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At the expense of all the marine life and human life an livihoods??
Obamacare: Never has so much been taken away from so many for so few.
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I want to know what dipshit made this decision?
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Not harvesting algae, collecting and refining the oil directly in one step.

By harvesting from the algae.

The algae we don't have yet, but will soon I might add.
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No. They are using bio-engineered organisms (not algae) as microscopic refineries directly on the oil. This is a nanomachine deployment, and technically a weapon, not algae.
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Ok, thanks, so we now, have these nanos, eating and processing the oil, is this what is causing bacterial blooms? And since some are now noticing and "new" algae they have never seen, is this a side effect of the microbes?
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From a Facebook friend... her friend is on a NOAA ship and he references hydrates and a 21 mile methane field.


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This is email from friend that is in the Gulf aboard the NOAA'S Gordon Gunter (GU) To best inform you from email my email correspondence I will be posting them in notes. Take from it what you will but I find that NOAA is just as much in the dark about how to best handle the Gulf situation and their fears are our fears.

Bill, can you confirm or ... See Moredeny this ? Would appreciate any feed back. We are being denied important info! This is one of the things I have been doing a great deal of research on.

Thanks so much for any info you can give!
God Bless,
Cindy
Top scientist: Only one ship testing methane levels in Gulf, NOAA hiding results; Amount is “just st
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UGA SCIENTIST: TOO LITTLE RESEARCH ON GASES AT OIL DISASTER SITE IN GULF, Sunday Paper, June 29, 2010: notes “I have read the reports from NOAA and I have

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Bill Newton July 2 at 12:07am Report
Cynthia, no I can not confirm or deny it. Our ship is just getting out to the spill site because of the weather, so I personally haven't experienced the latest conditions. I do know that NOAA or BP is hiding the fact that there are dangerous and toxic fumes at the site such as benzene, hydrogen sulfide and methane. And I don't know if they have released the information about a methane field in this vicinity they guess is about 21 miles long and several miles wide. I think the most amazing thing about NOAA is the number of their ships here. So far there are 6, none of which is particularly suited for this kind of work. Even the people on the ships are asking "what are we doing here?"
I think the answer to that is "getting airtime" during newscast. If something does develop that can be ascertained I will pass it along.
So far there is a doomsday theory that even the alternate wells will not stop the spill because of the erosion from 3 months of high pressure oil blasting away the walls of the Deep Water Horizon well have scoured out the hole in the earth to a point that there isn't enough concrete to fill it! Remember, this is speculation! I hope this does not prove to be true!

Bill Newton July 2 at 12:10am Report
P.S. Streaming video, ie YouTube is very hard to watch on the ship due to the bandwidth of our satellite feed!

Cynthia Beveridge Wright July 2 at 8:04pm
Thanks Bill for responding. You are having the same concerns as I am having. I did a great deal of research on every aspect and it is plain to see the is uncharted territory for this planet. I understand that the pressure at that depth is like nothing anyone has ever had to deal with. I have the same fears about the the casing below the wellhead that it is fractured and that according to a geology report I read from one geologist that 2 relief wells is not enough, but I guess at 100 million a pop BP is not going to cover all the bases which really sucks cause they are NOT sparing all cost to end this and could very likely end the world as we know it!!
Wishing you God speed Bill and I very much appreciate any developing info that you send. I have another FB page that I am posting from to inform as many people as I can. Many people have fallen on deaf ears to what could be the single most catastrophic
event ever.
Point blank period BP should of never been allowed to dig this deep on a deepwater well that was not designed to do so. I found a link to a well that is designed for this kind of drilling and it was designed to confirm the theory of abiotic oil that is found below the earths mantel. I believe that this is the oil that is spewing into our Gulf, because it is sustainable oil and the flow will be never ending.
Take care,
Cindy
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Thanks SR, this confirms why I have been telling people to leave, they're lieing, at the very least by ommision.
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Ok, thanks, so we now, have these nanos, eating and processing the oil, is this what is causing bacterial blooms? And since some are now noticing and "new" algae they have never seen, is this a side effect of the microbes?
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You're turn again.
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Ok, thanks, so we now, have these nanos, eating and processing the oil, is this what is causing bacterial blooms? And since some are now noticing and "new" algae they have never seen, is this a side effect of the microbes?
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Don't know about side-effects. I am sure that the increase in naturally occurring organisms is a result of increased food supply (oil) for some, and decreased predators (due to die-off) for others.

I'm sure that this technology was originally supposed to be used on sub-ice lakes in Antarctica, but for obvious reasons, has been deployed in the Gulf.
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I apologize Soto, it just pisses me right off to see people exposed to shit they have no idea of. No one, since I assume this technology is so new, knows what is going to happen, as far as blooms as long as the flow continues. I highly encourage everyone to copy these posts.
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Dude, read please .... there is over 130 pages of explanation and we don't know.


SO NO ONE ANSWERED ME

WHO DAMAGED THE FRENCH SUB?
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I apologize Soto, it just pisses me right off to see people exposed to shit they have no idea of. No one, since I assume this technology is so new, knows what is going to happen, as far as blooms as long as the flow continues. I highly encourage everyone to copy these posts.
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No problem, Watcher. I do know what I'm talking about regarding synthetic biology and nano-tech, but I have no idea whether or not this is actually being deployed in the GOM. It just fits the OP's 'scenario' so I thought I'd share.
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This is bullshit my friend, of the worst kind. To expose people to this, with out knowing the consequences. And you can't tell me "they" have thought this thru either, I've seen to many examples of that in my life. So why in the hell does this even exist , as a weapon?


I think you're right also, and I apologize to you my friend, I hope this reinforces to everyone, just what those in charge think of you're worth.

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DIE THREAD DIE.
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This is bullshit my friend, of the worst kind. To expose people to this, with out knowing the consequences. And you can't tell me "they" have thought this thru either, I've seen to many examples of that in my life. So why in the hell does this even exist , as a weapon?
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Agreed. "Desperate times call for desperate measures" is the mantra of the arrogant, but the Law of Unintended Consequences slays all regardless of power or standing. We will be potentially worse off if this stuff works. Synthetic organisms are just the very tip of the iceberg, read K.Eric Drexler if you want more info, the nano age is upon us.
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Not harvesting algae, collecting and refining the oil directly in one step.

By harvesting from the algae.

The algae we don't have yet, but will soon I might add.
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Report on this thread that algae (from hydrates) is in the swimming pools in Florida, or least in the salt water pools.
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This is bullshit my friend, of the worst kind. To expose people to this, with out knowing the consequences. And you can't tell me "they" have thought this thru either, I've seen to many examples of that in my life. So why in the hell does this even exist , as a weapon?



Agreed. "Desperate times call for desperate measures" is the mantra of the arrogant, but the Law of Unintended Consequences slays all regardless of power or standing. We will be potentially worse off if this stuff works. Synthetic organisms are just the very tip of the iceberg, read K.Eric Drexler if you want more info, the nano age is upon us.
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I thank you from the bottom of my heart for sharing this. This is so heinous, it's beyond believe. But this is no reflection on you, and again I thank you for being honest. I've hear of Drexler and will pursue his subject matter more tomorrow.
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From the U.S. EIA:

[link to www.eia.doe.gov]

Money quote:

"Antarctica in the 21st Century
Despite the 1991 Madrid Protocol's 50-year moratorium placed on the exploitation of Antarctica's natural resources, future economic and population pressures could pose significant environmental threats to the continent of Antarctica. An expected and dramatic increase in world demand for energy over the next 30 years may expose the continent to countries and markets looking for alternative petroleum supplies. If Antarctica is indeed eventually opened for oil exploration activities, which many believe it will be, the potential for oil pollution occurrences such as oil tanker spills, the dumping of waste oil, natural oil seeps and well blowouts will rise substantially."

Better come up with a clean extraction tech...
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I think someone should send Trinity a PM so he can see this thread, he needs to know.
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Again, Me and many thank you Soto for this last piece of the puzzle.
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Oh. My. God.

Look at this Executive Order issued today.

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For Immediate Release July 02, 2010 Executive Order-- Optimizing the Security of Biological Select Agents and Toxins in the United States
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Policy. It is the policy of the United States that:

(a) A robust and productive scientific enterprise that utilizes biological select agents and toxins (BSAT) is essential to national security;

(b) BSAT shall be secured in a manner appropriate to their risk of misuse, theft, loss, and accidental release; and

(c) Security measures shall be taken in a coordinated manner that balances their efficacy with the need to minimize the adverse impact on the legitimate use of BSAT.

Sec. 2. Definitions. (a) "Select Agent Program" (SAP) means the regulatory oversight and administrative activities conducted by the Secretaries of Health and Human Services and Agriculture and the Attorney General to implement the Public Health Security and Bioterrorism Preparedness and Response Act of 2002 and the Agricultural Bioterrorism Protection Act of 2002.

(b) "Select Agent Regulations" (SAR) means the Federal regulations found in Part 73 of Title 42 of the Code of Federal Regulations, Part 331 of Title 7 of the Code of Federal Regulations, and Part 121 of Title 9 of the Code of Federal Regulations.

(c) "Biological Select Agents and Toxins" means biological agents and toxins with the potential to pose a severe threat to public health and safety, animal and plant health, or animal and plant products and whose possession, use, and transfer are regulated by the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Agriculture under the SAR.

Sec. 3. Findings. (a) The use of BSAT presents the risk that BSAT might be lost, stolen, or diverted for malicious purpose. The SAP exists to provide effective regulatory oversight of the possession, use, and transfer of BSAT that reduces the risk of their misuse or mishandling. The absence of clearly defined, risk-based security measures in the SAR/SAP has raised concern about the need for optimized security and for risk management.

(b) In addition, variations in, and limited coordination of, individual executive departments' and agencies' oversight, security practices, and inspections have raised concerns that the cost and complexity of compliance for those who are registered to work with BSAT could discourage research or other legitimate activities.

(c) Understanding that research and laboratory work on BSAT is essential to both public health and national security, it is in the interest of the United States to address these issues.

Sec. 4. Risk-based Tiering of the Select Agent List. To help ensure that BSAT are secured according to level of risk, the Secretaries of Health and Human Services and Agriculture shall, through their ongoing review of the biological Select Agents and Toxins List ("Select Agent List") contained in regulations, and no later than 18 months from the date of this order:

(a) designate a subset of the Select Agent List (Tier 1) that presents the greatest risk of deliberate misuse with most
significant potential for mass casualties or devastating effects to the economy, critical infrastructure, or public confidence;

(b) explore options for graded protection of Tier 1 agents
and toxins as described in subsection (a) of this section to
permit tailored risk management practices based upon relevant contextual factors; and

(c) consider reducing the overall number of agents and toxins on the Select Agent List.

Sec. 5. Revision of Regulations, Rules, and Guidance to Accommodate a Tiered Select Agent List. Consistent with section 4 of this order, I request that:

(a) The Secretaries of Health and Human Services and Agriculture, no later than 15 months from the date of this order, propose amendments to their respective parts of the SAR that would establish security standards specific to Tier 1 agents and toxins.

(b) The Secretaries of Health and Human Services and Agriculture each, no later than 27 months from the date of this order, promulgate final rules and guidance that clearly articulate security actions for registrants who possess, use, or transfer Tier 1 agents and toxins.

Sec. 6. Coordination of Federal Oversight for BSAT Security. To ensure that the policies and practices used to secure BSAT are harmonized and that the related oversight activities of the Federal Government are coordinated, the heads of executive departments and agencies identified in section 7(a)(ii) of this order shall:

(a) no later than 6 months from the date of this order, develop and implement a plan for the coordination of BSAT security oversight that:

(i) articulates a mechanism for coordinated and reciprocal inspection of and harmonized administrative
practices for facilities registered with the SAP;

(ii) ensures consistent and timely identification and resolution of BSAT security and compliance issues;

(iii) facilitates information sharing among departments and agencies regarding ongoing oversight and inspection activities; and

(iv) provides for comprehensive and effective Federal oversight of BSAT security; and

(b) no later than 6 months from the issuance of final rules and guidance as described in section 5 of this order, and annually thereafter, review for inconsistent requirements and revise or rescind, as appropriate, any regulations, directives, guidance, or policies regarding BSAT security within their department or agency that exceed those in the updated SAR and guidance as described in section 5 of this order.

Sec. 7. Implementation. (a) Establishment, Operation, and Functions of the Federal Experts Security Advisory Panel.

(i) There is hereby established, within the Department of Health and Human Services for administrative purposes only, the Federal Experts Security Advisory Panel (Panel), which shall make technical and substantive recommendations on BSAT security concerning the SAP.

(ii) The Panel shall consist of representatives from the following, who may consult with additional experts from their department or agency as required:

1. the Department of State;

2. the Department of Defense;

3. the Department of Justice;

4. the Department of Agriculture (Co-Chair);

5. the Department of Commerce;

6. the Department of Health and Human Services (Co-Chair);

7. the Department of Transportation;

8. the Department of Labor;

9. the Department of Energy;

10. the Department of Veterans Affairs;

11. the Department of Homeland Security;

12. the Environmental Protection Agency;

13. the Office of the Director of National Intelligence;

14. the Office of Science and Technology Policy;

15. the Joint Chiefs of Staff; and

16. any other department or agency designated by the Co-Chairs.

(iii) To assist the Secretaries of Health and Human Services and Agriculture and the Attorney General in implementing the policies set forth in sections 1, 4, 5, and 6 of this order, the Panel shall, no later than 4 months from the date of this order, provide consensus recommendations concerning the SAP on:

1. the designation of Tier 1 agents and toxins;

2. reduction in the number of agents on the Select Agent List;

3. the establishment of appropriate practices to ensure reliability of personnel with access to Tier 1 agents and toxins at registered facilities;

4. the establishment of appropriate practices for physical security and cyber security for facilities that possess Tier 1 agents. The Department of Homeland Security shall Chair
a Working Group of the Panel that develops recommended laboratory critical infrastructure security standards in these areas; and

5. other emerging policy issues relevant to the security of BSAT.

Thereafter, the Panel shall continue to provide technical advice concerning the SAP on request.

(iv) If the Panel is unable to reach consensus on recommendations for an issue within its charge, the matter shall be resolved through the interagency policy committee process led by the National Security Staff.

(v) The Secretaries of Health and Human Services and Agriculture and the Attorney General shall report to the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism on the consideration and implementation of Panel recommendations concerning the SAP, including a rationale for failure to implement any recommendations.

(vi) The Panel shall be chartered for a period of 4 years subject to renewal through the interagency policy committee process led by the National Security Staff.

(b) To further assist the Secretaries of Health and Human Services and Agriculture and the Attorney General in implementing the policy set forth in sections 1, 4, 5, and 6 of this order, the National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity shall provide technical advice and serve as a conduit for public consultation, as needed, on topics of relevance to the SAP.

Sec. 8. Sharing of Select Agent Program Information. (a) Consistent with applicable laws and regulations, the Secretaries of Health and Human Services and Agriculture and the Attorney General shall, no later than 6 months from the date of this order, develop a process and the criteria for making SAP information available to executive departments and agencies when such information is necessary for furthering a public health, safety, security, law enforcement, or national security mission.

(b) SAP information shall continue to be safeguarded properly and handled securely to minimize the risk of disclosing sensitive, personal, and other information protected by the Privacy Act, 5 U.S.C. 552a.

Sec. 9. General Provisions. (a) The National Security Staff shall, on a biennial basis, review the implementation and effectiveness of this order and refer to the interagency policy committee process any issues that require further deliberation or adjudication.

(b) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect the authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head thereof, or functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(c) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(d) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.



BARACK OBAMA

THE WHITE HOUSE,
July 2, 2010.
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Jesus. Ok Ok, rereading twice, it's for more stringent controls on biological agents.

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