Something Just Went BEZERK in the Gulf of Mexico. The US Navy just sunk a French Submarine

They do hover for missile ops, but not for prolonged periods. Its very difficult to maintain a hover position because you have to control the boat with ballast alone and you need a shit hot "Dive" (diving chief) to be able to maintain a hovering position for very long. Its not standard practice, is situational, and very hard to maintain for prolonged periods.

thank you greece for link and explanation.

I have a feeling that this Israeli sub is NOT a Diesel Sub!

In Fact it is known that they have taken ANY weapon they have ever bought and enhanced it to be better. When the US first sold them the F-16 they took the plane apart and completely rebuilt it to fly better than the US planes.

I have a feeling that this sub is something NEVER seen before.

I was on an SSBN and we used to hover all of the time..it seems we were always drilling and spinning up missiles. We could hover for a long time, if required.

Whoa! [link to findarticles.com]

NAVY CHRISTENS NEW GUIDED-MISSILE DESTROYER SAMPSON
Sea Classics, Dec 2006 by Duprey, Susan

The latest Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer, Sampson (DDG-102), was christened 16 September during a colorful ceremony at Bath Iron Works, Bath, Maine.

The ship is named in honor of R/Adm. William Thomas Sampson (1840-1902), a Naval hero in the Spanish-American War. After graduating first in his class at the US Naval Academy in 1861, Sampson served in the Civil War, during which he survived a mine explosion in 1865. When the United States declared war against Spain following the sinking of the battleship Maine, Sampson assumed command of the US North Atlantic Squadron with the rank of Rear Admiral. Sailing from Key West, Florida, in 1898, aboard USS New York (CA-2), his squadron established a blockade on the Spanish Fleet in the harbor of Santiago, Cuba When the Spanish fleet attempted escape, it was completely destroyed by Sampson's forces in a running sea battle that lasted five hours. The next day, Sampson sent the now famous message: "The Fleet under my command offers the nation as a Fourth of July present, the whole of Cervera's Fleet!"

Sampson retired as commandant of the Boston Navy Yard in 1902. Three previous ships have carried this name: Torpedo-boat destroyer 63, Somers-class destroyer 394 and Charles F. Adams-class guided-missile destroyer 10.

Senator Susan Collins of Maine delivered the ceremony's principal address. Clara Parsons, great granddaughter of Sampson, served as ship's sponsor. In the time-honored Navy tradition, she broke a bottle of champagne across the bow to formally christen the ship USS Sampson.

Designated DDG-102, Sampson is the 52nd of 62 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers. This highly capable multimission ship can conduct a variety of operations, from peacetime presence and crisis management to sea control and power projection, in support of the national military strategy. Sampson will be capable of fighting air, surface, and subsurface battles simultaneously. The ship contains myriad offensive and defensive weapons designed to support maritime defense needs well into the 21st century.

Commander Philip Roos, born in Leiderdorp, the Netherlands, became the ship's first commanding officer to lead a crew of approximately 292 men and women. The 9200-ton Sampson was built by Bath Iron Works, a General Dynamics company, and is 509.5-ft in length, has a waterline beam of 59-ft, and a navigational draft of 32-ft. Four gas turbine engines will power the ship to speeds in excess of 30-kts.

ya, me too

NIE = National intelligence estimates

Wiki : [link to en.wikipedia.org]

National Intelligence Estimate: The Terrorist Threat to the US Homeland
[link to www.globalsecurity.org]
"The Estimate, Terrorist Threats to the US Homeland, followed the standard process for producing National Intelligence Estimates (NIEs), including a thorough review of sourcing, in-depth Community coordination, the use of alternative analysis, and review by outside experts. Starting in October 2006, the NIC organized a series of roundtables with IC experts to scope out terms of reference (TOR) for the Estimate. Drafters from throughout the Community contributed to the draft. In May, a draft was submitted to IC officers in advance of a series of coordination meetings that spanned several days. The National Clandestine Service, FBI, and other IC collection officers reviewed the text for the reliability and proper use of the sourcing. As part of the normal coordination process, analysts had the opportunity--and were encouraged--to register “dissents” and provide alternative analysis. Reactions by the two outside experts who read the final product were highlighted in the text. The National Intelligence Board, composed of the heads of the 16 IC agencies and chaired by the ODNI, reviewed and approved the Estimate on 21 June. As with other NIEs, it is being distributed to senior Administration officials and Members of Congress."


When you google National intelligence estimates 2212then you get :
2212 RAYBURN HOUSE OFFICE BUILDING,
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Maybe that lokation has relevance to TPTB or "the ones-deciding-over-AM-lot" ....

Edit: changed Others into PTB and the-ones-blabla

Last Edited by Krispy71 on 07/19/2010 07:03 PM

That is what I want to know also ..
I suspect YES, but sofar I have no proof found of it.

We were worried about your absence for a bit Krispy!! Glad you are A-OK!!

I was on a SSBN and SSN as well. SSN originally actually, then SSBN. Maybe I'm remembering things differently..I was a radioman hah.

girlfriend is going of duty, , i glimpsed at a few post and want to Remind you to please follow my post in context between noise. I remind you that the classification of the Israeli submarine is above DED. it is not an "ordinary" submarine. remember when it appeared a twilight alert was issued on strategic assets. this is vector type intelligence which i cant read. good night all.

Hello all :D

I was banned to the bathroom > washing myself and give the bathroom a clean-up treatment ...lol...
My daughter (16 years) wanted on the PC ...
Now I hijacked the PC again :grinn:

(I must read up 2 pages... I'll be ready soon)


xx

Thanks for clarifying OP.

ORRRRRR ...
101 can be 10/1 .... which makes it 1st of october ...
Maybe BP/US asked them untill the first of october!

Can anybody sheck if 1st october is a RITUAL DATE ???

Just happy you are OK and just dealing with real life issues!! OP has a few messages waiting for you.

We must remember something here...that our relations with Israel at this time are strained, and perhaps at the lowest they've ever been..They have bragged in the past about how they own us, and that we only do what they want...I mean, if they caused something untoward in the Gulf...it would most definitely get our undivided attention, wouldn't it??...just throwing it out there...and it's only some thoughts I've been having since hearing that there were Israeli subs in the Gulf..

Does that mean that the 2 unidentified subs are French??...

What happened on October 01

# 0331 BC - Alexander the Great defeats Darius III of Persia in the Battle of Gaugamela.
# 0911 During a siege in Constantinople, the Theotokos appeared at the church in Blachernae holding her veil over the praying faithful, among them St. Andrew of Constantinople.
# 0959 Edgar the Peaceable becomes king of all England.
# 1189 Gerard de Ridefort, grandmaster of the Knights Templar since 1184, is killed in the Siege of Acre.
# 1661 Yachting begins in England; King Charles II beats his brother James
# 1787 Russians under Suvorov defeat the Turks at Kinburn.
# 1788 Nguyen Hue declares himself emperor of Vietnam.
# 1791 First session of the French Legislative Assembly.
# 1791 The first session of the new French legislative assembly
# 1795 Belgium is conquered by France.
# 1800 Spain cedes Louisiana to France in a secret treaty
# 1800 U.S. Schooner Experiment captures French Schooner Diana.
# 1814 Opening of the Congress of Vienna, intended to redraw the Europe's political map after the defeat of Napolon the previous spring.
# 1827 The Russian army under Ivan Paskevich storms Yerevan, ending a millennium of Muslim domination in Armenia.
# 1829 South African College is founded in Cape Town, South Africa; later to separate into the University of Cape Town and the South African College Schools.
# 1837 "Racer's" Hurricane (Gulf of Mexico)
# 1837 Treaty with Winnebago Indians
# 1843 News of the World began publication in London.
# 1844 Naval Observatory headed by LT Matthew Fontaine Maury occupies first permanent quarters.
# 1847 German inventor and industrialist Werner von Siemens founds Siemens AG & Halske.
# 1847 Maria Mitchell discovers a non-naked-eye comet
# 1851 The first Hawaiian stamps issued
# 1854 The watch company founded in 1850 in Roxbury by Aaron Lufkin Dennison relocates to Waltham, Massachusetts, to become the Waltham Watch Company, a pioneer in the American System of Watch Manufacturing.
# 1869 Austria issues the world's first postcards.
# 1869 The first postcards are issued (Vienna)
# 1874 Supply Corps purser, LT J. Q. Barton, given leave to enter service of new Japanese Navy to organize a Pay Department and instruct Japanese about accounts. He served until 1 October 1877 when he again became a purser in the U.S. Navy. In 1878, the Emperor of Japan conferred on him the Fourth Class of Rising Sun for his service.
# 1880 First electric lamp factory opened by Thomas Edison.
# 1880 John Philip Sousa becomes leader of the United States Marine Corps Band.
# 1880 John Phillip Sousa becomes leader of Marine Corps Band
# 1885 Special delivery mail service begins in US
# 1885 United States begins special-delivery mail service.
# 1886 The U.S. mint in Carson City, Nevada, closes.
# 1887 Balochistan conquered by the British Empire.
# 1888 A new Chinese Exclusion Act voted by Congress, forbids Chinese workers who have left the United States to return
# 1889 Washington voters adopt state constitution in referendum
# 1890 The McKinley Tariff Act passed by Congress October 1 increases the average U.S. import duty
# 1890 The Yosemite National Park and the Yellowstone National Park are established by the U.S. Congress.
# 1890 Yosemite National Park established
# 1891 In the U.S. state of California, Stanford University opens its doors.
# 1893 3rd worst hurricane in US history kills 1,800 (Mississippi)
# 1894 Civic organization, Knights of Ak-Sar-Ben founded in Omaha, Nebraska
# 1894 First meeting of The Owl Club of Cape Town.
# 1896 Sherlock Holmes adventure "The Veiled Lodger" takes place (BG)
# 1898 Czar Nikolay II expels Jews from major Russian cities.
# 1898 Henry Huntington buys the LA Railway
# 1898 The Vienna University of Economics and Business Administration is founded under the name k.u.k. Exportakademie.
# 1903 Baseball: The Boston Americans play the Pittsburgh Pirates in the first game of the modern World Series.
# 1905 Frantiek Pavlk is killed in a demonstration in Prague, inspiring Leo Janek to the piano composition 1. X. 1905.
# 1905 The Grand Trunk assumes control of the 460 mile Canada Atlantic system by agreement dated August 15, 1904.
# 1908 Ford puts the Model T car on the market at a price of US$825.
# 1910 Berkshire Cattle Fair held in Pittsfield Mass (first state fair)
# 1910 Los Angeles Times bombing: A large bomb destroys the Los Angeles Times building in downtown Los Angeles, California, killing 21.
# 1918 Sgt. William Merrifield (4th Cdn. Infantry Batt.) wins the Victoria Cross at Abancourt, France
# 1918 World War I: Arab forces under T. E. Lawrence (a/k/a "Lawrence of Arabia") capture Damascus.
# 1920 Sir Percy Cox landed in Basra to assume his responsibilities as high commissioner in Iraq.
# 1926 An oil field accident cost aviator Wiley Post his left eye, but he used the settlement money to buy his first aircraft.
# 1926 Arirang premiers in Seoul.
# 1928 First class at school for enlisted Navy and Marine Corps Radio intercept operators (The "On the roof gang")
# 1928 Leon Vanderstuyft of Belgium bicycled 76 miles 504 yards in 1 hour
# 1928 The Soviet Union introduces its First Five-Year Plan.
# 1931 The George Washington Bridge linking New Jersey and New York opens.
# 1931 The second (and current) Waldorf-Astoria Hotel is opened in New York.
# 1936 Francisco Franco is named head of the Nationalist government of Spain.
# 1936 Gen Francisco Franco establishes the state of Spain
# 1937 Patrol aviation transferred to Aircraft Scouting Force, a reestablished type command. With change five patrol wings were established as separate administrative command over their squadrons.
# 1937 Pullman Co formally recognizes Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters
# 1938 Germany annexes Sudetenland (1/3 of Czechoslovakia)
# 1939 After a one-month Siege of Warsaw, hostile forces entered the city.
# 1939 Winston Chruchill refers to Soviet policy as "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma"
# 1940 Pennsylvania Turnpike, pioneer toll thruway, opens
# 1940 The Pennsylvania Turnpike, often considered the first superhighway in the United States, opens to traffic.
# 1942 Bell P-59 Airacomet fighter, 1st US jet, makes maiden flight
# 1942 First flight of the Bell XP-59 "Aircomet".
# 1942 USS Grouper torpedoes Lisbon Maru not knowing she was carrying British PoWs from Hong Kong
# 1943 Clark's forces enter Naples, Italy.
# 1943 World War II: Naples falls to Allied soldiers.
# 1944 Newspaper editor Alejandro C¢rdova assassinated in Guatemala
# 1944 The Channel ports are in Allied hands
# 1945 Heavyweight champ Joe Louis is discharged from the army
# 1946 Nazi leaders sentenced at Nuremberg Trials.
# 1946 Truculent Turtle lands at Columbus, Ohio, breaking world's record for distance without refueling with flight of 11,235 miles.
# 1947 NHL Pension Society founded
# 1947 The F-86 Sabre flies for the first time.
# 1947 The first helicopter air mail & express service, LA, Ca
# 1947 US control of Haitian customs & governmental revenue ends
# 1948 Calif Supreme Court voids state statute banning interracial marriages
# 1948 Radio Denmark begins transmitting
# 1949 Chinese Communist Chairman Mao Tse-Tung (1893-1976) declared his country the People's Republic of China after defeating Chiang Kai-Shek's Kuomingtang forces who fled to Taiwan.
# 1949 Military Sea Transportation Service activated.
# 1951 24th Infantry Regiment, last all-black military unit, deactivated
# 1951 The first treaty signed by woman ambassador-Eugenie Anderson
# 1952 The first ultra high frequency (UHF) television station, Portland Or
# 1953 Indian state of Andhra Pradesh partitioned from Madras
# 1954 British colony of Nigeria becomes a federation
# 1955 "Honeymooners" premieres
# 1955 Commissioning of USS Forrestal (CVA-59), first of postwar supercarriers
# 1957 B-52 bombers begin full-time flying alert in case of USSR attack
# 1957 First appearance of "In God We Trust" on U.S. paper currency.
# 1958 Britain transfers Christmas Island (south of Java) to Australia
# 1958 Inauguration of NASA
# 1958 NASA created to replace NACA.
# 1958 Vanguard Project transferred from military to NASA
# 1960 Nigeria gains independence from Britain (National Day)
# 1961 A believed extinct volcanco erupts in Tristan da Cunha
# 1961 East & West Cameroon merge as Federal Republic of Cameroon
# 1961 East and West Cameroon merge as Federal Republic of Cameroon.
# 1961 Roger Maris sets record of 61 HRs, last off of Tracy Stallard
# 1962 Barbra Streisand signs her 1st recording contract (with Columbia)
# 1962 Brian Epstein signs a contract to manage the Beatles through 1977
# 1962 Johnny Carson hosts his 1st Tonight Show, Joan Crawford guests
# 1962 The Lucy Show premiers
# 1962 US National Radio Astronomy Obs gets a 300' (91m) radio telescope
# 1963 Nigeria becomes a republic within the Commonwealth
# 1964 Free Speech Movement launched at U of California, Berkley
# 1964 Japanese Shinkansen ("bullet trains") begin high-speed rail service from Tokyo to Osaka.
# 1964 SF cable cars declared a national landmark
# 1964 The Free Speech Movement is launched on the campus of University of California, Berkeley.
# 1965 Apostasia of 1965, a political move in Greece designed to overthrow the Prime Minister, George Papandreou.
# 1965 General Suharto crushes an attempted coup in Indonesia.
# 1968 "Night of the Living Dead" premieres in Pittsburgh
# 1968 The Guyanese government takes over the British Guiana Broadcasting Service (BGBS).
# 1969 Guernsey & Jersey begin issuing their own postage stamps
# 1969 The Concorde supersonic transport plane breaks the sound barrier for the first time.
# 1971 Walt Disney World opens near Orlando, Florida, United States.
# 1972 Louis Leakey famed anthropologist, dies at 68
# 1973 Joe Devlin actor (Sam-Dick Tracy), dies at 74
# 1974 Personal posting - 1st October 1974 gave birth to my second and last child a beautiful daughter weight 5lb 13oz
# 1975 Ellice Islands split from Gilbert Islands, take name "Tuvalu"
# 1975 Reunion Island stops prints stamps, France takes over production
# 1975 The Seychelles gain internal self-government. The Ellice Islands split from Gilbert Islands and take the name Tuvalu.
# 1975 Thrilla in Manila: Muhammad Ali defeats Joe Frazier in a boxing match in Manila, Philippines.
# 1977 Brazilian soccer great Pele' retires with 1,281 goals in 1,363 games
# 1978 The Voltaic Revolutionary Communist Party is founded.
# 1978 Tuvalu (Ellice Islands) gains independence from Britain
# 1979 US returns Canal Zone to Panama after 75 years (but not the canal)
# 1980 Cosmonauts Ryumin & Popov break space endurance record of 176 days
# 1980 USS Cochrane (DDG-21) rescues 104 Vietnamese refugees 620 miles east of Saigon
# 1982 EPCOT Center opens at Walt Disney World near Orlando, Florida, United States.
# 1982 Helmut Kohl replaces Helmut Schmidt as Chancellor of Germany through a Constructive Vote of No Confidence.
# 1982 Sony launches the first consumer compact disc player (model CDP-101).
# 1982 West Germany's Parliament ousts chancellor Helmut Schmidt
# 1983 Personal posting - Michael Gallison &Jane Berlow Kardys Gallison wedding - USA
# 1984 Gary Trudeau's Doonesbury comic strip resumes after 2-year hiatus
# 1985 The Israeli air force bombs PLO Headquarters in Tunis.
# 1986 President Carter's presidential library/museum dedicated in Atlanta
# 1987 6 killed by an earthquake measuring 6.1 in LA
# 1987 The Whittier Narrows earthquake shook the San Gabriel Valley, registering as a magnitude 5.9.
# 1988 Robert Englund the actor who plays Freddie Kruger weds Nancy Booth
# 1989 Dallas Cowboy, Ed "Too Tall" Jones records his 1,000th NFL tackle
# 1989 Denmark: World's first legal modern same-sex civil union called "registered partnership"
# 1989 Thousands of East Germans flee to West Germany
# 1989 US issues a stamp, labeling an apatosaurus as a brontosaurus
# 1990 Curtis E LeMay USAF General, WWII dies at 83
# 1990 Pres Bush at the UN, condemns Iraq's takeover of Kuwait
# 1990 USS Independence (CV-62) enters Persian Gulf (first carrier in Persian Gulf since 1974)
# 1992 Personal posting - Joshua Stephen Genet was born on this day. - USA
# 1993 The Cape Breton and Central Nova Scotia Railway commences operation over the former CN line between Sydney and Truro, Nova Scotia.
# 1994 Palau gains independence from the United Nations trusteeship administered by the United States of America.
# 1996 The St. Lawrence and Hudson Railway is formed by merging the CP Rail routes in southern Ontario and Quebec with its Delaware and Hudson subsidiary in northern USA. The STLH name was first used about June 1 although the legal entity was not established until October 1.
# 1998 Vladimir Putin became a permanent member of the Security Council of the Russian Federation.
# 2003 Moot creates the popular internet image board board 4chan
# 2004 Baseball: Seattle Mariners outfielder Ichiro Suzuki makes his 258th hit of the season, breaking George Sisler's 84-year-old single-season record.
# 2005 Bombing kills 23 people in Bali.
# 2005 Inkheart a book by Cornelia Funke, was released.
# 2006 Age discrimination in employment is made illegal in the United Kingdom.
# 2008 the Senate passes a revised bailout plan containing $110 billion in tax breaks for business and the middle class, and raises the FDI rates on deposits

I have been reading this whole post with amazement!

But I am a bit lost on a few acronyms.

What is BOA and what is a Twilight Alert?

The CAVE or TUNNEL that we were talking about ????




I cant figure out the code yet (to many possibilities) ... will be back on this one

Clarifying what?

This was funny for a while but it's long past the point of being utterly stupid. This character has been stringing you guys along for three weeks now.

There's some very disturbing things happening in the gulf but this fake French Oogie Boogie with you guys throwing everything you can Google into the mix isn't doing anything but adding NOISE to the subject.

Yes I know ...
But why do you think the Israeli sub would want to use that tunnel ???
with what purpose ?
Not to go to the northpole ...

-Karu 2:10 PM Remember the Sampson Option? [link to en.wikipedia.org]
"The Samson Option is a term used to describe Israel’s alleged deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a “last resort” against nations whose military attacks threaten its existence, and possibly against other targets as well."


-AC Greece 1:42 PM "central command confirms Mistral analysis and issuing dedicated SAMPSON classification on new israeli submarine. DED going crazy again. BEZERK level 2" .... its a russina akula class? [link to www.naval-technology.com]
The Akula Class carry up to 12 Granit submarine-launched cruise missiles. The missiles are fired from the 533mm torpedo launch tubes. Granit (Nato designation: SS-N-21 Sampson) has a range of about 3,000km and delivers a 200kt warhead.


-AC US 5:15 PM OMG. > Israeli mistake. Ill winds. Nuking something with unintended and unexpected consequences. In the bot reports there are many crossover links between the gulf and the Israeli mistake. Clif has been trying to figure out why because, as he figured, there was no scenario that would allow for to be nuking the gulf so the links did not make sense.

One more thing about Sampson in connection with an Israeli sub:

Sampson was the strongest of the Israelites in the Old Test.
His strength was via his hair which was long and full. In the bible, Daliah tricks Sampson, cuts off his hair and renders him powerless.

He was taken captive by the Philistines who put out his eyes and abused him greatly. One day, the King was feasting and ordered the once mighty Sampson brought before him so that all could make fun of him.
Sampson had the last laugh as his hair had grown back and with it, his strength returned. Standing between two pillars of the hall, he pushed and brought the place down on everyone killing all.

To me, a Sampson alert would mean a mission in which one would die but not before they took out of lot of the enemy.

An' I see that Krispy is way ahead of me.

Nice to have you back, Krispy!

OP said that this one was VERY VERY NEW !

Good day, I cant keep up posting all the new DED traffic as it will cause to much suspicion when I change rooms so much. it all happened 40 minutes ago when a new Israeli submarine showed on DED assets indicator, 68 nautical miles from rim, 11 miles from where 2us destroyed capsule. halted. there are now two israeli subs. the new one is very very new. its classification is above DED. Mistral indicating a possible hostile classification on Israeli submarine


EDIT bolding,

Last Edited by Krispy71 on 07/19/2010 04:29 PM

I think the Israeli sub started this deepwater horizon issue, I dont know why yet.

The Israeli's believed their sub would be undetectable but the other subs French Russian & Chinese & possibly US have worked out what has occured.

They are chasing the Israeli sub which is able to go deeper, faster & quiter than the others, it may be using undersea canyons for evasion. It may have help from sources in the US who organized this Deepwater event for dubious reasons.
Sounds like the US Navy smell a rat & want to take charge, with friendly assistance from outside the US.

Or maybe this is all just a training exercise which we are being relayed, our OP is not aware & it's all just a simulation to do with the recently announced war games exercises.

Ok, I have GOT to go the bank.
Be back soon as traffic will allow.

The Israeli's don't let the world know much about what they have...for instance, there nuclear arsenal.

One more thing:

No, Oct. 1st is not a ritual day BUT, that whole month is a lead up to their high holiest of days, Nov. 1st.

Follow this link to a very interesting site that outlines a chart on the days, meanings and activities of the ones who worship the god with the little g.

[link to pakalert.wordpress.com]