Something Just Went BEZERK in the Gulf of Mexico. The US Navy just sunk a French Submarine

Looking forward to it. Sleep well.

I like the ideas you presented DR, espoecially your pet theory - the fuzziness of it appeals to me very much!

And I dont mean that as a derogitory statement, rather I mean the idea that as you get closer to one of the 'edges', the substance becomes closer to being a certain way.

It's not black and white, - its fuzzy! And that is the way of the Universe I think. All the grey bits, and the greys bits on them too! LOL.

I thought I had a good workshop set up downstairs. Nothing like what you are proposing. You must have a very understanding wife!

Re-itterating the point of where mot of us came aboard, with the sinking of the DWH is refreshing.

Really, it was just the result of things brewing for a great deal of time prior, and no doubt measured.

That teams were brought in to measure and calibrate instruments prior to the disaster shows that many folks did indeed know or were aware of the possible situation.

At the most basic level, the fact we have a term "BEZERK" shows that someone put a great deal of thought in to describing a situation, and had data that led to the call that a phenomina could be classified BEZERK.

That didnt happen over night. People have been watching and waiting for it.

Initially the 'calibtrators' may have been used simply to detect, but as a better understanding was gained, the more critical aspect of measurement, and data conversion, allowed rudimentary control of the situation.

Really appreciate the input.

1300 pages, no worries!

K, you might find this interesting.

RIP

Carl Sagan's wife Lynn Margulis died just the other day, very close to the anniversary of her Husband's death.

"Lynn Margulis, who has died aged 73, was a microbiologist whose work on the origin of cells transformed the study of evolution; with James Lovelock, she also developed the "Gaia theory" of Earth as a vast self-regulating system.

It was Lynn Margulis’s expertise in microbes that led her, in the mid-Seventies, to the British atmospheric chemist James Lovelock, who had come to suspect that living organisms had a greater effect on the atmosphere than was commonly recognised. Together they proposed a theory that Earth itself — its atmosphere, the geology and the organisms that inhabit it — is a self-regulating system in which living organisms help to regulate the terrestrial and atmospheric conditions that make the planet habitable.

In particular they suggested that plankton act as a living thermostat, helping to regulate global temperature; that bogs and peat lands affect glaciers as the organisms within them release and absorb greenhouse gases; and that colonies of bacteria and other microbes in tidal mud flats process enough salt to help keep ocean salinity fairly constant. It was Lovelock who suggested they call their hypothesis Gaia, after the ancient Greek goddess of the Earth.

Though advancing such theories exposed her to enormous hostility from within the scientific community, she came to be regarded as one of the most creative and respected researchers of her generation.

In the 1960s Lynn Margulis became convinced that, while Darwin had successfully proved that all species of living things are descended from earlier ones, neither he nor his followers had ever satisfactorily explained the source of the variation that gives rise to new species.

She began focusing on the evolution of eukaryotic cells — cells containing a nucleus (a membraned envelope enclosing chromosomes), and organelles (which are distinct structures that perform such functions as photosynthesis). While it was well known that a nucleus contains DNA, Lynn Margulis focused on the genes which exist outside the nucleus, to find a clue to how the earliest bacteria-like cells could have evolved into more complex organisms.

She resurrected a long-ignored idea that the organelles within eukaryotes were once free-living bacteria that had once invaded other bacterial forms. First these were parasites; then they became “symbionts”, providing services for their hosts in return for a protective environment; finally they were fully integrated into their hosts’ biological make-up as organelles.

Lynn Margulis’s theory of “symbiogenesis” challenged the Neo-Darwinist consensus by suggesting that inherited variation does not come, or does not come exclusively, from random genetic mutation but from long-lasting interaction between organisms.

At first the idea met with scorn: her findings were rejected by 15 academic journals and grant applications were brusquely rebuffed. The response to one application was: “Your research is crap. Don’t ever bother to apply again.”

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]


Well, I for one thank her for her contributions.

Link didnt seem to come up?

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

good evening all

thanks for the comments, and I will make my way down the list

Interesting that methane comes up, yet again

my initial concern with deepwater was the methane
it was obvious to me at the start of the nightmare that methane was the culpret.
I actually coined the term infernocane...lol
the destruction was so intense that IMHO only a vapor explosion could have caused it
the kicks from the mud pool back that up
the tophat assy deployed quickly caked with hydrates (remember those guys???)

there is something about it we are missing

think, as "organic matter" decomposes methane is produced
as we function methane is produced...everyone has farted, right?
it seems more "basic" than hydrogen to me because it is always a byproduct of life

now enter the hydrate
a chunk of gas, held inside a chunk of frozen water
CO2 forms hydrates, too
another "byproduct" gas

not sure where this needs to go, but IMHO Very important

by the way, my concerns were enough that I contacted a dr sloan with us interior and he ditched me for months, and n-b-c asked me for opinions, which i did not give

but thats another beer story

dr

still there as hydrates on the bottom

dr

someone was drilling connect the dots holes
speculation to warm the gulf, or also stress relieve yellowstone

drilling maps would be nice, but microquakes in OK are...well interesting
who holds the leases???

dr

I have been to srf. creepy and dangerous place
wackenhut guards are given deadly force ability if you go in the wrong place
supposed to be hundreds of square miles of underground storage, much of which is low level (coveralls, wrenches cars, etc) don't know about high level stuff
but they still make tridiun there...
next to the river

not good, nucleur rivers and all

dr

IHMO all corrosion is bio in nature

dr

Well Said dude, instead of talking about the alien threat that lies within the depths the thread has now morphed - extremophile style into a completely off topic discussion about swamp gas.

Can anyone tell me which of the hundreds of pages the discussion about the thread title stopped so I can go back to the most recent dialogue, rather than reading about thread hijackers and their opines which should be moved to another thread, or taken to a motel.

good creepy find
it would take years to go thru that list

dr

and vodka!!!

it is one of the few that expand, as you said, at freezing
and because it is also "the universal solvent" can have its properties twisted greatly with "impurities"

dr

true that

back from 4 month permaban....lol

dr

in supercritical form any material can be changed to conducting, or non, as well as its density
additionaly, its surface tension becomes very close to nothing

also, all, repete, ALL metals can become superconductors given enought cooling

dr

because, as phase change takes place from cold to hot, more energy leaves with the liberated molecule than it took to freeze it...this is proven in the 1800's when liquid H was first made
hows that work vs conservation of energy???
opps, digressed, never mind...lol

you have superheated gas, made by evaporating(for lack of a better term), being produced from frozen matter and trasnformed into plasma (multiple latient heat transitions)

that produced its propulsion via super critical "hyperplasma"

sure would be interesting to have before and after mass values
(newton rolls repeatedly in his coffin)

just a theory, not mainstream, :)

dr

the only way to produce super critical water as we know it is with high pressures and high temps, so being as the reactors are open ...aka atmospheric pressure...probably not a chance

but, as stated earlier, if other stuff was disolved in the water, all bets are off

dr

agreed with all
and God enlightens us as the path to follow
our eyes just need to be open thru concenseness
(not asleep at the wheel...lol)

dr

wow...RIP

dr

well, I hope ya'll forgive my long windedness, but all comments, I felt needed addressed

a couple thoughts
actually I am a metrologist...scientist of measurement
a disconcerning thought came to mind today while engineering the new sink in the kitchen

I AM A calibrator!!!I cal'd stuff in a lab for 30+years
we all thought of it as a tool or equipment, but what if it is a person?
one with hard core knowledge of this stuff
honestly, it bugged the crap out of me today so bad, I couldn't think.....rattled!!!!
my field is a very close knit thing, and it suddenly concerned me that someone(s) I knew was involved in this
all navy ships have calibrators, in the person sense
I couple this with the lack of "inside info" i have gotten from many sources including shlumbergr and...well, lets just say, no warm and fuzzys...NOT at all
I do not lie to you when I say I am one of a single digit few that knows pvt stuff(press/volumn/temp) measurement wise, and have cal'd stuff for every top name...world wide
I just hope old friend(s) are not on site (as the industry actually demands) knee deep in the middle of this

sorry for the vent, but with a good ramble comes a price...lol
actually, ya'll are the only ones I could tell anyways
I can't or won't talk to my friends or family about this
they'd think I was nuts...who knows...maybe I am
ya'll know what they say about the truth, right..lol

you all seem like very good people, and I wish ya'll were just down the road apiece, 'cause we'd all have to hang out in my gazabo. I'm buying!!! I have followed this since the start. I have tried to relay the "concepts" to "some" (BEZERK lite...lol) but they just don't get it. Some of the stuff here makes the reptiles pretty mundane...lol
well I wish ya'll and your families the very best, for the holidays, and this coming amazing new year. be safe, and pray (send energy) to all those we discuss here finding splash zones, on subs, trying to find the truth, and everywhere/everything else

dr

DR, did you hear about the guy who cooled himself down to absolute zero?









He's 0K now....

Just keepin the vibe goin...

thats good

dr

Anonymous Coward User ID: 1011531 France 06/26/2010 10:58 AM




iRobot Seaglider Collecting Valuable Data in the Gulf of MexicoBEDFORD, Mass., May 25, 2010 –

iRobot (NASDAQ: IRBT), a leader in delivering robotic technology-based solutions, announced that its Seaglider Unmanned Underwater Vehicle (UUV) is currently being used as a platform to collect valuable ocean data in an effort to monitor the recent Gulf of Mexico oil spill. iRobot is working with Dr. Vernon Asper of the Marine Science Department at the University of Southern Mississippi (www.usm.edu) and Dr. Craig Lee from the University of Washington’s Applied Physics Laboratory.

Seaglider measures temperature, salinity and other ocean properties in 3-D at depths of up to 1,000 meters (3,290 feet). It allows researchers to collect data at depths not easily achieved using traditional surface platforms or other UUVs, and to potentially detect the presence of oil and its movement in affected areas. Researchers in the Gulf of Mexico have deployed Seaglider to locate and monitor large clouds of dispersed oil droplets believed to be at depths of approximately 700 meters (2,296 feet). Seaglider can provide up to 10 months of continuous operation, and data can be transmitted via satellite several times each day to anywhere in the world using an Internet-connected device.

“With Seaglider, we are realizing new and important mission profiles that it can support,” said Joe Dyer, president of iRobot’s Government and Industrial Robots division. “Traditionally, gliders have proven themselves to be very useful tools for researchers and oceanographers to collect ocean data. We are pleased that Seaglider is now playing an important role in the recent Gulf efforts. With this technology, we also see potential for the oil and gas industries to monitor existing lines and to detect new offshore oil sources.”

“It is important to track any hydrocarbons that might remain at depths for extended periods of time,” said Dr. Vernon Asper. “Previous data suggests that there may be some of this material at depths below 700 meters and that it appears to be moving. We are working with iRobot to deploy Seaglider in these locations, and we expect to learn a tremendous amount about the path and ultimate fate of this material.”

The iRobot Seaglider is an un-tethered deep-diving UUV designed for missions lasting many months and covering thousands of miles. It is able to perform long endurance missions because it is driven through the water by changes in buoyancy rather than traditional propeller systems. Because it does not need to be operated from a ship or retrieved to gather data, it serves as a very cost-effective platform. More than 120 Seagliders have been delivered to customers worldwide, including the U.S. Navy, government agencies and research organizations.

[link to www.irobot.com]

Very good timeline of the DWH disaster.

[link to www.guar]

dian.co.uk/environment/interactive/2010/jul/08/bp-oil-spill-t​imeline-interactive?intcmp=239


* repair link to view it.

Everything old is new again...

Pourquoi Pas? (English: Why Not?) is a research vessel built in Saint-Nazaire, France by Alstom Marine for IFREMER and the French Navy. It is currently primarily used by SHOM (Service hydrographique et océanographique de la Marine). It was ordered in December 2002 and completed in July 2005. The 66 million euro cost was financed by IFREMER (55%) and the French Navy (45%). It is named after explorer Jean-Baptiste Charcot's famous ship.

Pourquoi Pas? is used 150 days per year by the Navy and 180 days per year by IFREMER. It was designed for hydrography, geoscience, and physical, chemical and biological oceanography, as well as to launch small submarines such as the manned submersible Nautile and the ROV Victor 6000.

Notably, the Pourquoi Pas? has been used for the 2007 deployment and connection operations for the ANTARES neutrino telescope.

In 2008, the Pourquoi Pas? was used for the initial testing and operations of the PERISCOP, a pressurized deep sea fish recovery device.

In June 2009 it assisted in the recovery of Air France Flight 447.



She has been involved in some amazing operations...

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

googled this from your posted article
"Dr. Craig Lee from the University of Washington’s Applied Physics Laboratory"

and got this:

[link to iop.apl.washington.edu]

An Innovative Observational Network for Critical Arctic GatewaysCraig M. Lee - APL, University of Washington
Jason Gobat - APL, University of Washington
Dick Moritz - Polar Science Center, University of Washington
Brian Petrie - Bedford Institute of Oceanography

Overview Observational program > Background > Results Publications > People


OVERVIEW
As part of coordinated domestic and international efforts to (1) quantify the variability of fluxes connecting the Arctic and subpolar oceans, (2) understand the role played by the Arctic and sub-Arctic in steering decadal scale climate variability and (3) establish a pan-Arctic integrated observing network, we are developing an integrated observing system to monitor exchanges at the critical Arctic -- sub-Arctic gateway at Davis Strait. Fluxes through the Strait represent

the term flux is most often applied to energy, but can also refer to change

I wonder if they are the ones that found the methane?
must read more...

dr

then I did this guy

Dr. Vernon Asper of the Marine Science Department at the University of Southern Mississippi

and got this:

[link to www.usm.edu]

now chect this out

Dr. Asper's research focuses on investigations of particle dynamics, including their formation, settling characteristics, decomposition, remineralization, and eventual fate, and uses a suite of imaging technologies and computerized sensors, many of which have been designed and fabricated at USM. Examples include the MAGENUM (Marine AGgregate ENUMerator) which investigates the abundance of larger aggregates throughout the water column, the MASCOT (Marine Aggregate Setting Collector and Observation Tube) which investigates the flux and sinking speed of aggregates using a moored sediment trap/camera combination, and a Remotely Operated Vehicle (ROV). The ROV has been equipped with a digital still camera, acoustic navigation system, altimeter, and a novel 3-dimensional, laser-scanned imaging system.

and his projects are going on in antartica
and

Stennis space center

which along with designing rocket engines has this going on
[link to www.coastal.ssc.nasa.gov]

so, both poles under water, and overhead imaging thru stennis
and the gulf

could these guys be "captain splash zone and his trusty sidekick"?

another big hhhmmmm.....

dr

[link to www.coastal.ssc.nasa.gov]

density mapping for oxygen content

check out the map and the interesting lack of data and stations in a certain area

[link to www.ncddc.noaa.gov]

if you go to the left, and manually select stations
it seems that suddenly for 2010-2011 all stations, except 2 are gone

now the question is blackout of info, or did the pollution kill the sensors

bhd, good direction for the day

it amazes me how this stuff is as interconnected as a spiderweb

dr

check it out

1300 pages

wahooooo!!!

dr

and now we have another link

Dr. Vernon Asper

Project:ROSS SEA, ANTARCTICA (IVARS):

which brings us to

[link to web.vims.edu]

note the first picture

the polar star, the converted ice breaker, cruise ship, that was reported to also have "run aground" on ground that was not supposed to be there

and the pic of that ship in bhd's neighborhood is interestion, too

dr