should a near death experience give you enlightenment

Hopefully you become enlightened prior to any near death experience. If you must have that close of a call to open your eyes to reality on the grand scale, then I imagine it is better than dieing without ever becoming enlightened at all.

Many have had enlightenment experiences in near death, but many also do not. I am not a specialist in this area but I do believe that if you have been living correct to begin with you are going to be ok either way it goes.

Good Luck in this quest of knowledge in the field of the unknown.

thats has always been my thought too. if you are a good person, regardless of what god turns out to be the right one, you will be ok.

glad to see I'm not the only one with that philosophy

I would gather that along with being a lovely young woman, you have an equally beautiful mind as well with a response like you have given here. You apparently are on the right track mentally, and being pretty is a plus for you as well.
I'll see about reserving you a seat on the right flight, if I have any say in that matter where you are concerned.

Always liked sitting next to the pretty women,...]-[3]-[ !!

I like to read the near death experiences of others, and yes, I feel a level of enlightenment as well as comfort. Just google the subject for sites that have many stories, one good site is www.nderf.org

that would be an honor and something i would greatly look forward too

Near death experiences are caused by chemicals in your brain making you think you're going to heaven/hell.

It's such a personal thing...it really depends on the person who goes through something like that and what their beiefs are and how they perceive what they experienced.

I think the more you're rooted in the old "religious" philosophy you're more likely to see angels and demons because thats what you believe exists...

If you're more in tune with nature you may see something very different...

I know we are living eternally no matter what happens to our physical body...and no matter how violent or opressive we are on earth...we live always...the whys and hows are not always the clearest...

But does an NDE "give" a person enlightenment? NO...but people do often come to the realization of greater things because of an experience like that...

Having had a near death experience in 2006, all I can say is that I no longer fear death, the place I went to was just pure contentment/happiness. Not that I want to go there anytime soon

I have had a few near death experiences,really close calls.
My friends that know me well all are amazed I'm still here.
I'm not sure how enlightened I am.
I do think that to be enlightened one must realize Life is a big mystery.
Keep reading the Tao!

Thats bs...many people has been dead for hours and had zero brain activity. Plus, how do you explain things which people saw while having out of body experience and they had no way to know about those but later it was confirmed what they saw indeed happened. There are many cases like this. Even group near-death experiences.

It didn't for me.Calmed me down a bit though.

I participated in a study done by a university on near death experiences and the aftermath.

I was included in the study more as a control subject, since I had a severe head injury and experienced some of the same type of experiences others claim to have during "near death".

The study focused a lot on thoughts, memories and religious beliefs before and after the experience.
Mine did not change due to the experience.
I stand by the idea that it is a lot of activity going on in the brain.

I think that the first stages of death when Hypoxia is kicking in makes you feel euphoric, but there is more to this than meets the eye.

If you see this ugly old man [link to i585.photobucket.com] sitting alone, you found me and your seat.
I need to shave and take a new pic. That is 2 years old now and I have a dark tan,...will be darker after I get done with these projects.

Conversation will be interesting without a doubt seeing as I am a lunatic.

Near death or near life, it's ultimately up to the individual to interpret and learn from the experience as they wish or are capable.

Smoke some DMT, you'll find out soon enough.

[link to www.near-death.com] best site on web for nde's. lots and lots of info. Kevin did a great job on this.

This might be hard to believe - but about 5 yrs ago I actually had an enlightenment. The experience lasted about 5 mos. And since the experience, I have studied the experiences of many others and virtually all were like mine - that is to say that the *first* experience is temporary and usually lasts about 3 mos.

After this experience I read many books which I would have been too skeptical of to read before, one of which was the Magus of Java. In this book, the author travels to Java to learn from a genuine Taoist master. In the book, this master discusses what it's like to be dead. A fascinating read.

btw: tho I cannot say whether or not I was fully enlightened (I don't think I was), I nevertheless had many amazing "supernatural" and spiritual experiences as a result. Simply put, the enlightenment experience is the state of no desire. I (as well as others who've had the experience) are in a state of profound peace because there is no desire for anything - not for objects of the senses, nor for any type of change. There's no desire to help nor harm others. It is only in this state that one can really find peace. All is finally right with the world and there is no need to change anything.

As well, in this state the opposites of right and wrong, good and evil make no sense. In fact, it is this knowledge of the opposites of good and evil that got Adam and Eve kicked out of Eden (i.e. perfection). In the state of enlightenment, there is no right or wrong, good or evil... That is the hidden meaning behind Adam and Eve.

"When You make the two one, and when You make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when You make the male and the female one, so that the male will not be male nor the female female ... then will You enter the Kingdom." —Gospel of Thomas (22)

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"Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I'll meet you there.

When the soul lies down in that grass, the world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language, even the phrase "each other" doesn't make any sense." —Rumi

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"Three pounds of flax in front of your nose,
Close enough, and mind is still closer.
Whoever talks about affirmation and negation
lives in the right and wrong region." —Zen Master Mumon

It just gives you the idea about the other side .

Ahh, no they are not.

"Aileana"

I got your mail,...

I can't help but know you would be better served changing your avatar to one with a smile.

; )

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In many of the NDEs I have read about, they gain spiritual knowledge but their lives become very hard. Some of them even get told their lives will be hard, but they still choose to come back.

I find that interesting. Must be some divine purpose in it all.

No not if you post it here.

Global Enlightenment

NO they do not. Someone close to me had an NDE in hospital and it did not give them enlightenment. I believe that what actually happens is that the devil has groups of devils assigned to give false "experiences" of heaven, or whatever will appeal most to a particular individual*. These will serve the purpose of confirming that person on the path that leads to hell.

We all have Guardian Angels, and I'm afraid devils also assigned to us. They will fill these groups of devils in about your life and what will work best on you.

No. The very concept of "enlightenment" is concerned with giving light as a carrier of "wisdom."

That is a lie from the Serpent/Beast.

Almighty God created light ONLY to divide the day and the night.

"3Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day."

Almighty God does not send "light" to give humankind spiritual wisdom.

Now who has the title "light bringer"??

"12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, that didst lay low the nations!

13 And thou saidst in thy heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; and I will sit upon the mount of congregation, in the uttermost parts of the north;

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to Sheol, to the uttermost parts of the pit." Isaiah 14

Almighty God gave HIS Prophets who were faithful and true to Him, His wisdom for humankind:

"1 Now this is the commandment, the statutes, and the ordinances, which your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it–

2 that thou mightest fear thy God, to keep all His statutes and His commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son’s son, all the days of thy life;

3 Hear therefore, O JESHURUN , and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the God of thy fathers, hath promised unto thee–a land flowing with milk and honey.

4 Hear, O JESHURUN : our God, is one.

5 And thou shalt love thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

14 Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the peoples that are round about you;" Deuteronomy 6

This ^^^^^ is ALL THE LAW OF ALMIGHTY GOD THAT THERE IS. EVERYTHING ELSE is a lie, a counterfeit, designed to confuse and mislead the Children of God so that they DO serve the "other gods."

So now, WHO is IT that is bringing this "light" and what could possibly be the purpose?

Enlightenment is a continuous experience, its not achieved with a single or lifetime of experiences. One person may become more enlightened than another, but it's a infinite experience.

You will not die, you will pass, to where,what,when ???

An Eclipse of Enlightenment

a few have posted their NDE here on GLP, here is mine
Thread: MY NDE

Was the final straw that Cured my fear of death.

I like Kevin's site the most
[link to www.near-death.com]