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Bible Translations That Do Not Teach Eternal Torment

 
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Did you ?
Old MacDonald had a farm, ee-i-ee-i-o.
And on that farm he had a cow, ee-i-ee-i-o.
With a moo moo here and a moo moo there
Here a moo, there a moo, everywhere a moo moo
Old MacDonald had a farm, ee-i-ee-i-o.
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Eternal torment is something in your soul when you are apart from God.
Old MacDonald had a farm, ee-i-ee-i-o.
And on that farm he had a cow, ee-i-ee-i-o.
With a moo moo here and a moo moo there
Here a moo, there a moo, everywhere a moo moo
Old MacDonald had a farm, ee-i-ee-i-o.
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Jesus suffers in Heaven.
Old MacDonald had a farm, ee-i-ee-i-o.
And on that farm he had a cow, ee-i-ee-i-o.
With a moo moo here and a moo moo there
Here a moo, there a moo, everywhere a moo moo
Old MacDonald had a farm, ee-i-ee-i-o.
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The issue is that there ARE teaching that DO teach eternal torment/punishment. So even though there are some that don't, it does not negate those that do.
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Eternal torment is something in your soul when you are apart from God.
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Funny, I wouldn't exactly call my existence "eternal torment".

jerkit
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Did you ?
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no, age lasting = olam or aion lasting
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Eternal torment is something in your soul when you are apart from God.


Funny, I wouldn't exactly call my existence "eternal torment".

jerkit
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Wait until all you have IS eternity and you have still rejected God's love through the finished work of his Only Begotten Son Yeshua.
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The issue is that there ARE teaching that DO teach eternal torment/punishment. So even though there are some that don't, it does not negate those that do.
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If it is not there it most certainly does
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Eternal torment is something in your soul when you are apart from God.


Funny, I wouldn't exactly call my existence "eternal torment".

jerkit


Wait until all you have IS eternity and you have still rejected God's love through the finished work of his Only Begotten Son Yeshua.
 Quoting: Spawn

You did not read the article eternal is not in the bible
eternal is a latin word for aion which always has an end

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Eternal torment is something in your soul when you are apart from God.


Funny, I wouldn't exactly call my existence "eternal torment".

jerkit


Wait until all you have IS eternity and you have still rejected God's love through the finished work of his Only Begotten Son Yeshua.

You did not read the article eternal is not in the bible
eternal is a latin word for aion which always has an end
 Quoting: nzreva

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever

Looks like it's eternal to me.
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Eternal torment is something in your soul when you are apart from God.


Funny, I wouldn't exactly call my existence "eternal torment".

jerkit


Wait until all you have IS eternity and you have still rejected God's love through the finished work of his Only Begotten Son Yeshua.

You did not read the article eternal is not in the bible
eternal is a latin word for aion which always has an end

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever

Looks like it's eternal to me.
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this is parabolic,first Christ is the comsuming fire,tormented means "sadden".

A body would be comsumed in fire.

There is no "day and night" once we are dead.

Where it says "for" ever and ever is translated wrong it should read "to" ever and ever.

This is talking about the end of everything.

If you die without Christ you will simply die, to be in Christ is to live eternally with him.
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Eternal torment is something in your soul when you are apart from God.


Funny, I wouldn't exactly call my existence "eternal torment".

jerkit


Wait until all you have IS eternity and you have still rejected God's love through the finished work of his Only Begotten Son Yeshua.

You did not read the article eternal is not in the bible
eternal is a latin word for aion which always has an end
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The word "eternal" is listed in hundreds of places in the Bible.
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This is true, there are translations like that.

But, what does your gut say?

What does your heart say?

In every man/woman is a knowing....

....placed there not by a book, but, by an eternal God who made you.
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or by each generation drilling it into your head as a child...

another do
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This is true, there are translations like that.

But, what does your gut say?

What does your heart say?

In every man/woman is a knowing....

....placed there not by a book, but, by an eternal God who made you.
 Quoting: KLB 1019687

Amen
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And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever

Looks like it's eternal to me.
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this is parabolic,first Christ is the comsuming fire,tormented means "sadden".

A body would be comsumed in fire.

There is no "day and night" once we are dead.

Where it says "for" ever and ever is translated wrong it should read "to" ever and ever.

This is talking about the end of everything.

If you die without Christ you will simply die, to be in Christ is to live eternally with him.
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Parable my arse.
You can try to read anything you want into the scripture and can try to soothe your guilt, but it is very obvious your interpretation is crap.

"Christ is the all consuming fire" and "tormented" means saddened. Wow you must be an Obama speech writer.

Once you are dead, there is no day or night, but God will resurrect you to new bodies (in hell or in the New Heavens or New Earth) for eternity.

Jesus tought ETERNAL seperation for those who ignore or refuse the free guift of eternal life in the presence of God.
To deny this you are spreading false teaching and doing some souls a disservice by sugar coating their eventual eternal condition.
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No, that's not so.

My parents attempted to instill some things I always knew in my gut are not right and true.

And, I don't mean religious things either.

There are parts of a human being that no other person can touch because they belong to God.

What happens to the soul, is one of them.

You know deep down what is true, I don't care how many people try to change it.

We all know.
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or by each generation drilling it into your head as a child...

another do
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the church..and they are wrong on many levels.

The Church age has ended.
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My response was to: 975895
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Eternal torment is something in your soul when you are apart from God.


Funny, I wouldn't exactly call my existence "eternal torment".

jerkit


Wait until all you have IS eternity and you have still rejected God's love through the finished work of his Only Begotten Son Yeshua.
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God doesn't love me. He thinks I'm an inferior female.
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No, that's not so.

My parents attempted to instill some things I always knew in my gut are not right and true.

And, I don't mean religious things either.

There are parts of a human being that no other person can touch because they belong to God.

What happens to the soul, is one of them.

You know deep down what is true, I don't care how many people try to change it.

We all know.
 Quoting: KLB 1019687


You're exactly right, and a true loving divine entity doesn't burn down the house to get rid of the cockroaches!!
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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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Eternal torment is something in your soul when you are apart from God.
 Quoting: Jenkins

The notion anyone could be "apart" from an omnipresent god is ludicrous.
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And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever

Looks like it's eternal to me.
................................................

this is parabolic,first Christ is the comsuming fire,tormented means "sadden".

A body would be comsumed in fire.

There is no "day and night" once we are dead.

Where it says "for" ever and ever is translated wrong it should read "to" ever and ever.

This is talking about the end of everything.

If you die without Christ you will simply die, to be in Christ is to live eternally with him.

Parable my arse.
You can try to read anything you want into the scripture and can try to soothe your guilt, but it is very obvious your interpretation is crap.

"Christ is the all consuming fire" and "tormented" means saddened. Wow you must be an Obama speech writer.

Once you are dead, there is no day or night, but God will resurrect you to new bodies (in hell or in the New Heavens or New Earth) for eternity.

Jesus tought ETERNAL seperation for those who ignore or refuse the free guift of eternal life in the presence of God.
To deny this you are spreading false teaching and doing some souls a disservice by sugar coating their eventual eternal condition.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754098


This is what you been taught by the church this does not agree with the Bible.

Hell means "the Grave" both in hebrew and greek.

If you had any understand (open eyes)and check out the concordance you will see the interpetations of words and in there context.

The bodies of unbelievers will be spew upond the ground as dung.

My guilt has been laid at the feet of Christ.

The free gift are for those whom God choose from the foundation of the world and he paid for the sins of his elect from the foundation of the world.
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This is true, there are translations like that.

But, what does your gut say?

What does your heart say?

In every man/woman is a knowing....

....placed there not by a book, but, by an eternal God who made you.

Amen
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1011077


No way out from that, huh?

I think it is an act of incredible mercy for God to put that knowing there.

It is the stupidity of people, to try to ignore it.

Me included.

For there was a time, I would have said "Nope, not true."

But, I knew. Just did not wish to admit it. Even made fun of it.

Pride.

But, we know what God says about pride. Comes prior to destruction.

Good thing God is there, and available at ANY time, should ANY man or woman wish to accept his mercy.

That still small voice, tugging on the heart, is the most important one we will ever hear.
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Eternal torment is something in your soul when you are apart from God.


Funny, I wouldn't exactly call my existence "eternal torment".

jerkit


Wait until all you have IS eternity and you have still rejected God's love through the finished work of his Only Begotten Son Yeshua.



God doesn't love me. He thinks I'm an inferior female.
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You are wrong god declares he loves his creation.
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This is true, there are translations like that.

But, what does your gut say?

What does your heart say?

In every man/woman is a knowing....

....placed there not by a book, but, by an eternal God who made you.

Amen


No way out from that, huh?

I think it is an act of incredible mercy for God to put that knowing there.

It is the stupidity of people, to try to ignore it.

Me included.

For there was a time, I would have said "Nope, not true."

But, I knew. Just did not wish to admit it. Even made fun of it.

Pride.

But, we know what God says about pride. Comes prior to destruction.

Good thing God is there, and available at ANY time, should ANY man or woman wish to accept his mercy.

That still small voice, tugging on the heart, is the most important one we will ever hear.
 Quoting: KLB 1019687


Yes. That still, small voice spoke loudly and clearly to me from an early age. I was dumbfounded by the hypocrisy and intolerance around me, and so I left my church. It took some time to realize God's message is clear, man's interpretation thereof may not be.
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This is true, there are translations like that.

But, what does your gut say?

What does your heart say?

In every man/woman is a knowing....

....placed there not by a book, but, by an eternal God who made you.

Amen


No way out from that, huh?

I think it is an act of incredible mercy for God to put that knowing there.

It is the stupidity of people, to try to ignore it.

Me included.

For there was a time, I would have said "Nope, not true."

But, I knew. Just did not wish to admit it. Even made fun of it.

Pride.

But, we know what God says about pride. Comes prior to destruction.

Good thing God is there, and available at ANY time, should ANY man or woman wish to accept his mercy.

That still small voice, tugging on the heart, is the most important one we will ever hear.
 Quoting: KLB 1019687



the Book is God.

Romans 10
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

psalms 80
19 So will not we go back from thee: quicken us (made alive), and we will call upon thy name.

We can only call upon the name of the lord when we become saved.

We are spiritually dead.
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You know deep down what is true, I don't care how many people try to change it.

You're exactly right, and a true loving divine entity doesn't burn down the house to get rid of the cockroaches!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


Cockroaches?

What the.....
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Jesus tought ETERNAL seperation for those who ignore or refuse the free guift of eternal life in the presence of God.
To deny this you are spreading false teaching and doing some souls a disservice by sugar coating their eventual eternal condition.

...............................
This is what you been taught by the church this does not agree with the Bible.

Hell means "the Grave" both in hebrew and greek.

If you had any understand (open eyes)and check out the concordance you will see the interpetations of words and in there context.

The bodies of unbelievers will be spew upond the ground as dung.

My guilt has been laid at the feet of Christ.

The free gift are for those whom God choose from the foundation of the world and he paid for the sins of his elect from the foundation of the world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 728173

Does not agree with the bible or your personal belief?

"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

"Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

I can give many more examples but I'v been over this tired argument with you before (If you are a sockpuppet of HM or MD)
Remember you will be held accountable for your teaching if you truly are saved. I find it unlikely that anyone who would sugarcoat eternal damnation to those who are lost could have the love of Jesus in them, but I'm not the judge.
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Eternal torment is something in your soul when you are apart from God.


Funny, I wouldn't exactly call my existence "eternal torment".

jerkit


Wait until all you have IS eternity and you have still rejected God's love through the finished work of his Only Begotten Son Yeshua.

You did not read the article eternal is not in the bible
eternal is a latin word for aion which always has an end

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever

Looks like it's eternal to me.
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It isn't it is aions and aions ages and ages. there can only be one ever for ever has no ending.

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