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Bible Translations That Do Not Teach Eternal Torment

 
MuadDib987 (nli)

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07/08/2010 06:40 AM

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Really doesn't matter what the Bible says since it's all bullshit anyways.


There's just not much truth in you.

16:13 "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1028098


So does Mr. Pants supposedly have one of the frog spirits, or what?

God understands why millions of people think the bible is BS, and it's not always the demons and deception we're so prone to attribute unbelief to.
Please pray for me: I used to be a Good Christian™, until I got a hold of some kind of fruity "love" bullshit and decided I need to be less harsh on people.
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07/08/2010 03:55 PM
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Really doesn't matter what the Bible says since it's all bullshit anyways.


There's just not much truth in you.

16:13 "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet."


So does Mr. Pants supposedly have one of the frog spirits, or what?

God understands why millions of people think the bible is BS, and it's not always the demons and deception we're so prone to attribute unbelief to.
 Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)

Only if he is one of those 3. An unclean spirit is a unclean desire. All three are liars and murderers, more than likely they broke more than just those two. Satan and the Beast from the Pit are angelic in nature so they have seen the face of God, their death is the lake. Mankind does not see the face of God until after Satan and all fallen angels are in the lake. Once they do any sin will get them sent to the same lake, no mercy no grace involved.

Bullshit is such a broad term, is that bullshit the past events never happened or bullshit the prophetic events that are still in our future will never happen? It is hard to prove the past and obviously prophecy is guess work, if you don't use all the available material. Once you do it at least tells one single version rather than the many variations we have today.
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07/08/2010 06:12 PM
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And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2:2)
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love that
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Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.
Matt: 25:41


"If thy hand offend thee cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: There their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, that having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched, where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:43-48).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 530536

Should read
Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into age lasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.
Matt: 25:41
age lasting has an end
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07/08/2010 09:06 PM
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Should read
Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into age lasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.
Matt: 25:41
age lasting has an end
 Quoting: nzreva


Agreed. We should even take this a step closer to where it says "age-lasting crisis", as this is what fire symbolizes throughout scripture.
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12/13/2012 07:08 PM
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bump
Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2012 07:10 PM
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God is omnipotent..

all knowing and all seeing.

He knew long before he created anyone that billions of beings he was about to create were destined to be tortured by being burnt alive forever by him in a place he created JUST for that purpose.

GOD PLANNED hell.

If He did not he is not all knowing.

He is also a TORTURE expert and has seen to it that the people in hell suffer to the UTMOST every second of their eternity..

being so compassionate and merciful God also saw to it that there would be NO correction there..

NO rehab..

and NO WAY OUT..

a Just and fair "Punishment of eternal duration for the mere sin of being created and born into a world where life generally sux..

followed by an even more suckful eternity.

But Jesus DIED to save us from this place he INTENDED us to go to..

the place HE created to roast the vast majority of people alive in unbearable agony forever.

He died to save us from HIS JUSTICE..

to save us from HIMSELF really..

after all..

HE RUNS and MAINTAINS HELL..

PLUS..

he created every torture device there..

HE creates the flames by the word of his mouth..

HE knows every bit of agony that goes on there..

and all those there DESERVE it..f

or being born HUMAN..

in a fucked up crazy loveless world with about 20 million religions to choose and confuse..

But if we choose wrong..with our very LIMITED understanding of life or eternity..

sorry..

but you have to BURN.

Also..

if you are born into a religion like islam or Bhuddism or some such..

YOU WILL BURN as well..

for DARING to be born to the wrong culture..

wrong parents..

and wrong religion..

even though GOD chooses who gets born to who and where..

cause if he did NOT choose..

and you are born by MISTAKE into the wrong religion..then God is not all KNOWING and NOT in control at all.

This worlds justice system..

while unfair in a lot of cases usually fits the punishment to the crime.

You speed..

you get a fine..

you steal..

you get a bigger fine and locked away for a bit..

you kill..

you get locked away for a fair while..

But Gods justice system is the opposite..

You steal..

you get tortured forever without mercy..

You swear even..

same result..

you do anything wrong no matter how big or small..

and its TORTURE TIME!!!!

God has one punishment for all..

ETERNAL TORTURE with NO PAROLE..

MERCY..

SYMPATHY..

COMPASSION..

REHABILITATION..

OR LET UP...

And HIS ways are supposed to above OURS?

How many fathers on earth would torture their kids for the rest of their lives for stealing a cookie from the cookie jar?

NONE..

except the really fucked up ones who DO get locked awy for doing it..

But when GOD does it..

we honor him and build churches in his name...

But THIS is what is taught...let me break it down some more to its ILLOGICAL conclusion...



God created satan..

and he KNEW BEFORE he created satan that satan WOULD bring sin into being..

so GOD..

being in ULTIMATE CONTROL of everything..

MUST HAVE PLANNED it..

cause if he did NOT..

he is not all KNOWING..

and if he is not all KNOWING..

he is NOT GOD ALMIGHTY..

just god..a LITTLE bit mighty..

Plus IF God created satan and DIDNT KNOW satan would create sin..then GOD MADE A MISTAKE and could NOT see the future..

didnt he?

But who ever heard of a being who knows EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE..making a MISTAKE?

So if he DIDNT MAKE a mistake..

which is IMPOSSIBLE for an ALL KNOWING BEING to do..

the he MUST have PLANNED THE WHOLE THING RIGHT FROM THE START..

and this plan..

according to MOST CHRISTIANS..

included creating a place to torture TRILLIONS of BEINGS he KNEW IN ADVANCE would reject him...

SO ITS PLANNED SADISM...

But we all know that TORTURE is EVIL..

especially torture without end..

So how can GOD who is ALL KNOWING and ALMIGHTY who PLANNED SIN to BE..

by creating a being that would BRING it to be..

and who ALSO have planned the ULTIMATE EVIL...be called LOVE and ALL KNOWING and have things said about him like "HIS MERCY endrues FOREVER...

WHEN ITS CLEAR IT DOES NOT?

Besides..

he says there will be NO MORE TEARS..

NO MORE CRYING..

that ALL those things..

pain..

sorrow..

death..

agony..

will BE NO MORE..

SO HOW can this be TRUE if TRILLIONS OF BEINGS are going to be spending ETERNITY DOING JUST THAT?

So this being who is LOVE>.who CANT LIE..TOLD A LIE??

GET your FACTS straight chritians..either GOD makes mistakes..AND he is a liar..and THUS the most evil SADIST in history..

OR YOU ARE ALL WRONG ABOUT HIM!
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12/13/2012 07:38 PM
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Even with "hell" not properly rendered in the KJV, the KJV is still the best English Bible. All the rest have many other errors.

That's the way I look at it. It is best to know the truth about hell but still not use corrupt Bibles.

KJV1611/Geneva1560 - anything after that has been produced by the enemy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1028098


I don't think the KJV is the best version of the Bible in the English language, and I twitch a little whenever I see people claim this. Reminds me too much of the lunatic fringe of the KJV-Only cult like the Ruckmanites.

Personally, I prefer the ESV now.
Anonymous Coward
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12/13/2012 08:22 PM
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 Quoting: nzreva


Its a website that hates the King James Version Bible,
gives a VERY Catholic View of its Origins
(which is Historically Wrong)
The King James Bible was unauthorized By Rome

The Papacy NEVER wanted anyone to have their own version Bible
With Good reason on their Part it points to all the Errors that they endorse and outs them as the Little Horn & Beast Power of Daniel/Revelation

The King James Bible was kept PURE from Roman influence by The Waldensian peoples who were mostly savagely slaughtered by the Papal Armies for own the Scriptures as they where handed down from the Apostles....

The Waldensian peoples had their Babies smashed against Rocks and Trees under direct order of The Pope
(Their Crime was having the Gospel!)

That website teaches a Jesuit doctrine of the King James Bible
and suggests we should include the Catholic Apocrypha in with the Holy Scriptures to this I would say;
"what fellowship have light with darkness?"
Anonymous Coward
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12/14/2012 04:23 AM
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suggests we should include the Catholic Apocrypha in with the Holy Scriptures to this I would say;
"what fellowship have light with darkness?"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29813937


No, it actually doesn't - it simply states that at one point they were included with canon

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