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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1021125 United States 06/30/2010 04:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree and that's why me and the elders in my village will be stoning my son later. He dishonored me and he will be stoned to death at the village gate. Praise God! Quoting: Reality Is B.SI suggest you follow the bible and not do such a thing. You and he are NOT living in the OT times. |
Reality Is B.S User ID: 1020831 United States 06/30/2010 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree and that's why me and the elders in my village will be stoning my son later. He dishonored me and he will be stoned to death at the village gate. Praise God! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1021125I suggest you follow the bible and not do such a thing. You and he are NOT living in the OT times. I'm not sure what kind of Bible twisting religion you're ensnared in but as for me and my house we worship an enternal God. We believe the Bible when it says that God is unchanging. It sounds like you believe the Creator of the universe is kind of wishy washy and that his word no longer applies. He will punish you for that. Throwing more erroneous useless information into the original arguement. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1021125 United States 06/30/2010 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | * In Job 38:16 God challenged Job to find the “springs Quoting: ponder this 1021125of the sea.” But the ocean is so deep that almost all the ocean floor is in total darkness and the water pressure becomes enormous. It would have been impossible for Job to have explored the “springs of the sea.” Until recently, it was thought that oceans were fed only by rivers and rain. Yet in the 1970s, with the help of deep diving research submarines that were constructed to withstand the pressure, oceanographers discovered springs on the ocean floors! There are several very good examples in the OP of the bible speaking truth that man was incapable of speaking on his own at the time the bible was written. Job 38:16 is one of my favorites. I'd like a respectful discussion from bible doubters, if they can attempt to explain Job's declaration of "springs of the sea", when we weren't able to locate them until 1970? |
Reality Is B.S User ID: 1020831 United States 06/30/2010 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Strange that god didn't seem to understand evolution? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1021125Yea, He got that one right too. evolution = lie Just got back from stoning my son. It feels good to obey God in all things. Next week we plan on wiping out some Cananites. We will kill them all except for their virgin girls which we will keep for ourselves. Praise God. Throwing more erroneous useless information into the original arguement. |
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Reality Is B.S User ID: 1020831 United States 06/30/2010 05:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | * In Job 38:16 God challenged Job to find the “springs Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1021125of the sea.” But the ocean is so deep that almost all the ocean floor is in total darkness and the water pressure becomes enormous. It would have been impossible for Job to have explored the “springs of the sea.” Until recently, it was thought that oceans were fed only by rivers and rain. Yet in the 1970s, with the help of deep diving research submarines that were constructed to withstand the pressure, oceanographers discovered springs on the ocean floors! There are several very good examples in the OP of the bible speaking truth that man was incapable of speaking on his own at the time the bible was written. Job 38:16 is one of my favorites. I'd like a respectful discussion from bible doubters, if they can attempt to explain Job's declaration of "springs of the sea", when we weren't able to locate them until 1970? Hey dumbass lying filth Christian. We know you are the OP. You have no integrity. God will smite you and you to will burn in hell. Throwing more erroneous useless information into the original arguement. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1021272 United Kingdom 06/30/2010 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | reasonable folks can just ignore the grade schoolers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1021196I understand the thread is young, but it seems it currently has bible deniers stumped. Again I'll ask about Job's declaration of the "springs of the sea". Why wouldn't they suppose that the sea had springs - it is common in lakes and on the land after all - when the tide goes out you can often find freshwater springs on the beach. It is sheer intellectual dishonesty to pretend that scientific revelations are to be found in the bible. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 757124 United States 06/30/2010 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree and that's why me and the elders in my village will be stoning my son later. He dishonored me and he will be stoned to death at the village gate. Praise God! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1021125I suggest you follow the bible and not do such a thing. You and he are NOT living in the OT times. I wish you would have copied the actual scripture instead of just giving us a random interpretation without context. |
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Neesie User ID: 1016893 United States 06/30/2010 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God didn't even know the value of Pi Quoting: Nikki_LaVeyfrom time to time skeptics have used these verses to ridicule the accuracy of the Bible by claiming that, if one uses the figures stated, the circumference of the vessel divided by its diameter gives 3.0, instead of the value pi (π, 3.14159…).1 Closer examination shows there are at least two possible explanations. 1. The first concerns the meaning of the word cubit, and how it would have been used in measuring the vessel. A cubit was the length of a man’s forearm from the elbow to the extended fingertips. The Hebrew cubit was about 45 centimetres (18 inches). It is obvious that a man's forearm does not readily lend itself to the measurement of fractions of a forearm. In the Bible half a cubit is mentioned several times, but there is no mention of a third part of a cubit or a fourth part of a cubit, even though these fractions of ‘a third part’ and ‘a fourth part’ were used in volume and weight measurements.2 It therefore seems highly probable that any measurement of more than half a cubit would have been counted as a full cubit, and any measurement of less than half a cubit would have been rounded down to the nearest full cubit. From 1 Kings 7:23 (‘a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about’), it appears that the circumference was measured with ‘a line’, i.e. a piece of string or cord on which the distance was marked, and this length would then have been measured off in cubits by the measurer, using his own or someone else’s forearm, or possibly a cubit-long rod. Similarly the diameter would have been marked on a line and ‘cubitized’ in the same way. If the actual diameter was 9.65 cubits, for example, this would have been reckoned as 10 cubits. The actual circumference would then have been 30.32 cubits. This would have been reckoned as 30 cubits (9.6 cubits diameter gives 30.14 circumference, and so on). The ratio of true circumference to true diameter would then have been 30.32÷ 9.65 = 3.14, the true value for pi, even though the measured value (i.e. to the nearest cubit) was 30 ÷ 10 = 3. While the above seems reasonable, and the Ask ‘Dr Math’ Forum agrees that there is no error in the Bible here, we have no way of knowing for certain whether the measurements were approximated in this way. However, even if it is assumed that the measurements given were precisely 10 and 30 cubits, the following appears to provide a definitive answer. 2. Verse 26 of 1 Kings 7 says that the vessel in question had a brim which ‘was wrought like the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies’ (KJV), or a rim ‘like the rim of a cup, like a lily blossom’ (NIV), i.e. the brim or rim turned outward, suggesting the curvature of a lily.3 It is believed by Bible scholars to have looked like the drawing below.4 Let us consider the details given in 1 Kings 7:23 and 2 Chronicles 4:2. These are: 1. The diameter of 10 cubits was measured ‘from brim to brim’ (v. 23), i.e. from the topmost point of the brim on one side to the topmost point of the brim on the other side (points A and B in the diagram). 2. The circumference of 30 cubits was measured with a line, ‘round about’ (v. 23), i.e. the most natural meaning of these words is that they refer to the circumference of the outside of the main body of the tank, measured by a string pulled tightly around the vessel below the brim. It is very obvious that the diameter of the main body of the tank was less than the diameter of the top of the brim. And it is also obvious that the circumference of 30 cubits could have been measured at any point down the vertical sides of the vessel, below the brim. For a measured circumference of 30 cubits, we can calculate what the external diameter of the vessel would have been at that point from the formula: diameter = circumference ÷ pi = 30 cubits ÷ 3.14 = 9.55 cubits. Thus the external diameter of the vessel at the point where the circumference was measured must have been 9.55 cubits.5 It is thus abundantly clear that the Bible does not defy geometry with regard to the value of pi, and in particular it does not say that pi equals 3.0. Skeptics who allege an inaccuracy are wrong, because they fail to take into account all the data. The Bible is reliable, and seeming discrepancies vanish on closer examination. [See also Does the Bible Give a Wrong Value for Pi? from Tekton Apologetics Ministry.] [link to creation.com] Last Edited by Neesie on 06/30/2010 07:52 PM .A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell. C. S. Lewis |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1021266 Ireland 06/30/2010 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God didn't even know the value of Pi Quoting: Neesiefrom time to time skeptics have used these verses to ridicule the accuracy of the Bible by claiming that, if one uses the figures stated, the circumference of the vessel divided by its diameter gives 3.0, instead of the value pi (π, 3.14159…).1 Closer examination shows there are at least two possible explanations. 1. The first concerns the meaning of the word cubit, and how it would have been used in measuring the vessel. A cubit was the length of a man’s forearm from the elbow to the extended fingertips. The Hebrew cubit was about 45 centimetres (18 inches) ...any measurement of more than half a cubit would have been counted as a full cubit, and any measurement of less than half a cubit would have been rounded down to the nearest full cubit. Giving an unknown error of 9 inches either direction. Meaning that it would be a completely useless system of measurement and Noahs ark would have been the biggest heap of shit ever built. Imagine trying to construct a complex thing like a city with a system of measurement that is inaccurate anywhere from 0 right up to 9 inches... and the best part is you have no idea if there is an error or not. You expect us to believe this was the system used to construct the ark of the bible? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 848274 United States 06/30/2010 08:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There IS a lot of scientific truth in the bible...it's been proven...though I don't agree with everything on this website, it's one of my favorites for digging into history through the bible's account of it. [link to www.icr.org] |
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Neesie User ID: 1016893 United States 06/30/2010 08:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God didn't even know the value of Pi Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1021266from time to time skeptics have used these verses to ridicule the accuracy of the Bible by claiming that, if one uses the figures stated, the circumference of the vessel divided by its diameter gives 3.0, instead of the value pi (π, 3.14159…).1 Closer examination shows there are at least two possible explanations. 1. The first concerns the meaning of the word cubit, and how it would have been used in measuring the vessel. A cubit was the length of a man’s forearm from the elbow to the extended fingertips. The Hebrew cubit was about 45 centimetres (18 inches) ...any measurement of more than half a cubit would have been counted as a full cubit, and any measurement of less than half a cubit would have been rounded down to the nearest full cubit. Giving an unknown error of 9 inches either direction. Meaning that it would be a completely useless system of measurement and Noahs ark would have been the biggest heap of shit ever built. Imagine trying to construct a complex thing like a city with a system of measurement that is inaccurate anywhere from 0 right up to 9 inches... and the best part is you have no idea if there is an error or not. You expect us to believe this was the system used to construct the ark of the bible? the vessel they are referring to is not the ark. it is a drinking cup. .A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell. C. S. Lewis |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 942612 United States 06/30/2010 08:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The speed of light in the Bible? Num:2:9 All that were numbered in the camp of Judah were an hundred thousand and fourscore thousand and six thousand and four hundred, throughout their armies. These shall first set forth. A score is 20 so 4 score is 80 so its 186,400 m/s and the tribe of Judah faced East of the rising Sun. You see the referrence to light. Judah is the Tribe of Light. Which you and I are a from the tribe of Judah. from the website how stuff works: the speed of light is 669,600,000 miles/hour or 186,400 miles/sec THERE YOU HAVE IT, the speed of light in the Bible, is it a coincidense? nw |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1021313 United Kingdom 06/30/2010 08:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | * The Bible commanded circumcision of baby Jewish boys on the eighth day. (See Genesis 17:12; Leviticus 12:3; Luke 1:59). Medical science has discovered that the blood clotting chemical prothrombin peaks in a newborn on the eighth day. This is therefore the safest day to circumcise a baby. How could Moses have known this? --- Couldn't someone have simply observed after many circumcisions that too early or too late and the boy could die or become severely ill? The Bible simply coded this observation into advice/command/law. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1021313 United Kingdom 06/30/2010 08:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | * Judges 5:20 mentions "the stars in their courses." While it was once believed that the stars were fixed, today we know that they too move in a predictable way. --- Do not the stars appear to move through the sky as the Earth rotates and orbits the Sun? Could this be what the Bible means? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1021313 United Kingdom 06/30/2010 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | * One of the directors of Standard Oil Company read in Exodus 2:3 how Moses was placed in an ark "daubed with slime and pitch." He sent the company geologist Charles Whitshott to determine if there was still oil in that region. The discovery of oil led to Standard having very successful well operations in Egypt. (Tan, Paul L., Encyclopedia of 7700 Illustrations, p. 191.) --- Simply a educated guess based upon a historic record. If i had no knowledge of Egypt but read the Bible should i be astounded if i went to Egypt and found statues to Pharaohs? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 754098 United States 06/30/2010 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | * One of the directors of Standard Oil Company read in Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1021313Exodus 2:3 how Moses was placed in an ark ....................................................................................................................If i had no knowledge of Egypt but read the Bible should i be astounded if i went to Egypt and found statues to Pharaohs? I would be ashamed at my stupidity rather than astonished....NOAH was on the ark.....Moses came along much later. |