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So what's this about THE NEW TESTAMENT?........100% PROOF it is completely BOGUS!

 
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Didn't it ever strike you as bizarre that the son of god came to us on a supremely important mission AND NEVER BOTHERED TO LEAVE A WRITTEN MESSAGE?!

For such an important mission...the salvation of all of mankind...why on earth would God, or the son of God, leave it up to a bunch of common goat herders who weren't guaranteed to writen down anything about Jesus' mission????

This is 100%, complete PROOF, as to why the Bible is bogus.

what say you Christians?
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what say you Christians?
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what say you Christians?


burp.
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I figured I'd get such a response from you christians....thanks for admitting your complete ignorance! thumbs
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The spirit giveth life, the word killeth.

Gospel was never meant to be a religion of book, but purely spiritual.
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ya, and the guy was suppose to have had 5 or 10 thousand followers and none of them even bothered to write down the day he died../.....so we have to go by some moon phase garbage? WTF
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The Lord Jesus Christ is the Word!

All one has to do is receive the gift of belief
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ya, and the guy was suppose to have had 5 or 10 thousand followers and none of them even bothered to write down the day he died../.....so we have to go by some moon phase garbage? WTF
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LOL! Yeah, and of course a few of his "disciples" were able to scrible a few notes down, even though literally THOUSANDS of other "witnesses" didn't write shit!

So why didn't Jesus..on such an important mission..not bother to even put 2 fucking words together???

Jesus really fucked up that one! What a fucking dumbass
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The Lord Jesus Christ is the Word!

All one has to do is receive the gift of belief
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You know, and everyone else knows, that doesn't make one bit of fucking sense, retard.

"receive the gift of belief"???? WTF kind of made up shit is that, dumbass??

Why didn't your "perfect" god jot down a few words???
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ya, and the guy was suppose to have had 5 or 10 thousand followers and none of them even bothered to write down the day he died../.....so we have to go by some moon phase garbage? WTF
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It was Passover, which is on a full moon. They used a lunar calendar, that's why the date does not match on a solar calendar like the Gregorian calendar.

In a lunar calendar, the 14th of the month is a full moon.
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You SURE you want to hinge the eternal fate of your soul on that lousy argument? The Holy Spirit is the author of God's Word, not "goat herders". Men wrote it down, the Word was inspired by God.

You are entitled to your own opinion but Jesus died so you would know how much He loves you. Your choice to accept or reject that truth...but remember, there ARE consequences and there will be a test!

Jesus loves me, this I know, because the Bible tells me so.
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You SURE you want to hinge the eternal fate of your soul on that lousy argument? The Holy Spirit is the author of God's Word, not "goat herders". Men wrote it down, the Word was inspired by God.

You are entitled to your own opinion but Jesus died so you would know how much He loves you. Your choice to accept or reject that truth...but remember, there ARE consequences and there will be a test!

Jesus loves me, this I know, because the Bible tells me so.
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Fuck off. Quit spinning this into something it isn't, ok?

Jesus didn't personally write ANYTHING.

He didn't even ask anyone to write down anything.

He was supposed to be on the most important mission EVER, yet didn't even bother to record it.

Every ancient civilizations..LONG BEFORE JESUS..recorded events, either through pictures or words...yet Jesus couldn't think of doing that.

Ergo...Jesus is FAKE, Christianity is FAKE, and you are an IDIOT for blindly believing something so obviously FAKE.

Again, answer the questions..why didn't Jesus record anything? WHY?
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Didn't it ever strike you as bizarre that the son of god came to us on a supremely important mission AND NEVER BOTHERED TO LEAVE A WRITTEN MESSAGE?!

For such an important mission...the salvation of all of mankind...why on earth would God, or the son of God, leave it up to a bunch of common goat herders who weren't guaranteed to writen down anything about Jesus' mission????

This is 100%, complete PROOF, as to why the Bible is bogus.

what say you Christians?
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That you are already biased is patently evident in the tone of your post.

Why would any Christian bother to try to address your question?

But I will answer anyway so I can tell God I tried to help an atheist GLPer.

According to New Testament Jewish law, if a person witnessed of him/herself, the witness was not true.

Two or more outside witnesses were required.

Additionally, both the Old Testament "writings" prophesied of Jesus and the New Testament "writings" corroborate that Old Testament prophetic witness.

How do you think you ever heard of the name "Jesus" in the first place? Some "witness" wrote about Him!

Finally, Jesus Himself "IS" the word. He doesn't HAVE the word, He IS the word (read John Chapter 1).

Thus endeth the pointless response on a deaf ear.
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ya, and the guy was suppose to have had 5 or 10 thousand followers and none of them even bothered to write down the day he died../.....so we have to go by some moon phase garbage? WTF


It was Passover, which is on a full moon. They used a lunar calendar, that's why the date does not match on a solar calendar like the Gregorian calendar.

In a lunar calendar, the 14th of the month is a full moon.
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So how come Jesus didn't just write it down??

Was Jesus illiterate?
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Intelligent, eloquent Renaissance men have been arguing about the validity and accuracy of the Bible for centuries. Yet you wonder why no one is taking the bait over "He shoulda wrote it hisself."

You sure PWND those silly xtians.
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ya, and the guy was suppose to have had 5 or 10 thousand followers and none of them even bothered to write down the day he died../.....so we have to go by some moon phase garbage? WTF


It was Passover, which is on a full moon. They used a lunar calendar, that's why the date does not match on a solar calendar like the Gregorian calendar.

In a lunar calendar, the 14th of the month is a full moon.

So how come Jesus didn't just write it down??

Was Jesus illiterate?
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I dunno why he didn't write it down. Why don't you ask him? No he wasn't illiterate.
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Didn't it ever strike you as bizarre that the son of god came to us on a supremely important mission AND NEVER BOTHERED TO LEAVE A WRITTEN MESSAGE?!

For such an important mission...the salvation of all of mankind...why on earth would God, or the son of God, leave it up to a bunch of common goat herders who weren't guaranteed to writen down anything about Jesus' mission????

This is 100%, complete PROOF, as to why the Bible is bogus.

what say you Christians?


That you are already biased is patently evident in the tone of your post.

Why would any Christian bother to try to address your question?

But I will answer anyway so I can tell God I tried to help an atheist GLPer.

According to New Testament Jewish law, if a person witnessed of him/herself, the witness was not true.

Two or more outside witnesses were required.

Additionally, both the Old Testament "writings" prophesied of Jesus and the New Testament "writings" corroborate that Old Testament prophetic witness.

How do you think you ever heard of the name "Jesus" in the first place? Some "witness" wrote about Him!

Finally, Jesus Himself "IS" the word. He doesn't HAVE the word, He IS the word (read John Chapter 1).

Thus endeth the pointless response on a deaf ear.
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My post is biased because I have an honest question about why he didn't record anything himself?? That makes no sense, and you know it.

Are you saying that Jesus, ,the Son of God, must abide by "jewish law" about witnesses? He can't witness for himself? Even the son of god can't witness for himself?? LOL!!!!

We heard about the name "jesus" from a man-mad, created story...simple.

So again, you fail to answer the question, why didn't Jesus record anything about his life? Many many people at that time wrote diaries, recordings and such about their endeavorous...however Jesus did not?

Hmmmmm... very weak that you can't answer that...very weak indeed.
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Was Jesus illiterate?
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most likely. most people were back then.

but as an atheist i can say you really dont understand enuff aboot the bible to mock it. most christians dont get it either so dont feel bad.
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So how come Jesus didn't just write it down??

Was Jesus illiterate?


I dunno why he didn't write it down. Why don't you ask him? No he wasn't illiterate.
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Either Jesus: a) was illiterate or b) didn't exist

There can be NO OTHER EXPLAINATION as to why he didn't record anything.

So which is it? A or B?
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The gospel is life, god is life, the word is god, the unseen is real. God dies for our sins so that we may have eternal life with the one who loves mankind. That is the gospel.

Unbelievers, there you have heard it, if you don't accept it, you weren't meant to, like Jesus said, shake the dust of your sandals and keep walking.
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Was Jesus illiterate?


most likely. most people were back then.

but as an atheist i can say you really dont understand enuff aboot the bible to mock it. most christians dont get it either so dont feel bad.
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I don't understand "enuff" (lol) about the Bible? Why do you say that? Because I have a legit question that NOT ONE so called 'christian' here can answer?
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The gospel is life, god is life, the word is god, the unseen is real. God dies for our sins so that we may have eternal life with the one who loves mankind. That is the gospel.

Unbelievers, there you have heard it, if you don't accept it, you weren't meant to, like Jesus said, shake the dust of your sandals and keep walking.
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What a stupid fucking response....don't you see how lame your answers are? If you were to use those types of responses to any other questions in everyday life, you'd be the laughing stock of society, yet because you worship a man in the sky, you get away with it...scary how that works...

Are you that vague in everyday life? Do you dodge questions in real life? At your job? School? With your spouse? Kids? I hope not, but since you're a Christian, it wouldn't surprise me one bit....dumbass
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My post is biased because I have an honest question about why he didn't record anything himself?? That makes no sense, and you know it.

Are you saying that Jesus, ,the Son of God, must abide by "jewish law" about witnesses? He can't witness for himself? Even the son of god can't witness for himself?? LOL!!!!

We heard about the name "jesus" from a man-mad, created story...simple.

So again, you fail to answer the question, why didn't Jesus record anything about his life? Many many people at that time wrote diaries, recordings and such about their endeavorous...however Jesus did not?

Hmmmmm... very weak that you can't answer that...very weak indeed.
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So you want Jesus to violate His own principle of non interference by breaking established laws? Wait until I tell the United Federation of Planets that one!

Even so, your ignorance of the Bible is showing. I already explained why Jesus COULD NOT leave a written record of Himself that was penned IN HIS OWN HAND! It would have been discounted in a femptosecond because of Jewish law which both Jesus Christ AND Captain Pickard of the Star Ship Enterprise respect!

But Jesus Himself said that His miracles testified of Him. The Jews never once questioned His miracles - they only questioned His claims!

One day your luck at running from God will run out. You couldn't care less about a logical response: you're on a narcissistic roll and no one is going to stop you.
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Either Jesus: a) was illiterate or b) didn't exist

There can be NO OTHER EXPLAINATION as to why he didn't record anything.

So which is it? A or B?
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He wasn't illiterate, as the bible says Jesus read from the Old Testament scroll (Luke 4:16), and wrote with his finger on the ground (John 8:6).

He didn't sit around writing books, because that was not his mission. He wasn't supposed to do that.
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But dont you see, that's the point. When we focus on words, we miss out on the essence of the gospel -- which is something that needs to be lived out in the context of culture. Look at how we fight over the words written about God in the Bible. We argue the exact meaning of what Paul wrote ad nauseum and take our eyes off Jesus.

God didnt come to give us a book he came to give us a person.
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Intelligent, eloquent Renaissance men have been arguing about the validity and accuracy of the Bible for centuries. Yet you wonder why no one is taking the bait over "He shoulda wrote it hisself."

You sure PWND those silly xtians.
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Here's a link with information you and the OP may find worth reading.

[link to www.bidstrup.com]

...To really understand the Bible and what it intends to say to present generations, it is necessary to understand who wrote it and why, and the cultural context in which it was written. The story is an interesting one, in no small part because the story is so much messier than most of its advocates would have you to believe. And its very messiness is why it is a story rarely told in any completeness to Christian audiences.

The overriding theme of the Bible storylines is the theme of cultural conquest. Conquest by the Hebrews over their enemy neighbors, culturally by the Jews over the Israelites (used here to mean members of the ten "lost" tribes), the Christians over the Jews, the Catholics over the Gnostics, Marcionites, and other pre-Catholic factions, and on and on. In some cases, the conquest is recorded as a historical, often military event. In others, it merely is recorded as a change in content and context, an alteration of the storyline and outlook and worldview.

And the story of the editing and translation of the final form of the Bible into what today is regarded as holy scripture is a story not just of cultural conquest, but of political intrigues, and not just between competing bishops, but with secular political authority itself.

It is as if the U.S. congress or president were to decide what constituted Christian doctrine and scripture, and everyone went along - at the peril of their lives - until no one even questioned the accuracy of the official viewpoint.

The effect of its origins as selected parts of whole bodies of scripture, written by at least a hundred and fifty different people in dozens of different places at different times, many centuries apart, and for different reasons, colors what its authors wrote. Yet that simple fact is widely ignored, both by people who naively follow what they read in it as the inerrant word of God, and by more liberal scholastic theologians, who seek to understand its historical context as well as a body of doctrinal scripture, which they often blindly follow, even though they know full well its messy origins......

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....The most prominent of the many movements to 'reJudaify' Judaism was the Essene Movement. Founded in the second century B.C.E., the Essenes were either founded by or greatly influenced by a "Teacher of Righteousness," to which the Dead Sea Scrolls make constant reference without ever naming. One individual who fits the scanty evidence is a Yeishu ha Notzri, Jesus or Jesua, or Yeshua or Joshua ben Pantera or Pentera or Pandera or Pandira, who apparently had some influence with this movement, but may have been much more than that; we simply don't know. Indeed, there are even several first-century Christian references to this supposed miracle worker.

If he was the Teacher of Righteousness referred to by the Dead Sea Scrolls, as some have suggested, his impact on the movement towards Jewish reform was considerable. And if he was the Teacher of Righteousness, it would answer a lot of interesting questions, such as the scattered first century Christian and Talmudic references to a miracle worker named Yeishu ha Notzri, known to first-century Christians as Jesus or Jesua ben Pantera. Among them are a quote from Origen, saying that his arch-rival Celsus had heard from a Jew in Jerusalem that "Jesus Ben Pantera" was born of Mary as the result of a rape by a Roman soldier named Pantera, and had borne the baby in secret (most scholars now regard this claim to be a first-century legend resulting from misinterpretation of the facts).

That the first century Christians may have feared there was some truth to this rumor is evidenced by the fact of Mark's obvious embarrassment regarding the origins of Jesus; Mark, the first writer of a canonic gospel, never mentions Joseph as the actual husband of Mary. Note also that it was both the Roman custom and the custom of the Jews to include a patrilineal surname as part of a person's full name; yet nowhere in the New Testament does the surname of Jesus, (or Joseph, for that matter) appear. There is at least one Talmudic reference to Jeshu as being the illegitimate son of an adultress named Mary Magdala. There are several interesting references to a Yeishu ha Notzri (note the resemblance of the name to "Jesus of Nazareth"), who traveled around and practiced magic during the reign of Alexander Janneus, who ruled Palestine from 104 to 78 BCE. As these references are Talmudic (from the Baraitas and the Gemara), and therefore presumed by Christian scholars to be anti-Christian; Christian apologeticists have simply dismissed them as referring to someone else or being fabricated propaganda. But if they are genuine, and they really do refer to the Jesus of whom the Christians speak, they add evidence to the claim that the Jesus of Nazareth story is really based on the life of Yieshu ha Notzri, possibly the Essene "Teacher of Righteousness." Evidence points to him being the founder of the Notzri as the sects were known in first century Palestine, and as the Jesus Movements to modern scholars.

It must be noted here is that the version of the Talmud still used by most modern Christian scholars, is normally the version known to have been heavily edited by Christians by the 16th century - presumably to remove the dangerous references to Yeishu ha Notzri and his followers, the Notzrim, the account of which is absent from this version. But the pristine version, still used by Jewish scholars, gives us some rich detail. Yeishu ha Notzri was considered by the temple authorities of the time to be a troublemaking heretic, and when they had finally had enough of him, they put him on trial. He was convicted of heresy, sentenced to wander the city for 40 days, with a crier going before him, shouting that if anyone had reason why he should not be executed, they should come forward. When no did, he was stoned to death, and his body hung from a tree on the eve of passover, in 88 B.C.E. Note the death on the eve of passover. Note also the hanging of the body from a tree - at the time, a sign of despicability, with its resemblance to the crucifixion myth.

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forget the fact that people are waiting for him to come back. while we overpopulate and starve ourselves slowly.

jesus is a dick.
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The gospel is life, god is life, the word is god, the unseen is real. God dies for our sins so that we may have eternal life with the one who loves mankind. That is the gospel.

Unbelievers, there you have heard it, if you don't accept it, you weren't meant to, like Jesus said, shake the dust of your sandals and keep walking.

What a stupid fucking response....don't you see how lame your answers are? If you were to use those types of responses to any other questions in everyday life, you'd be the laughing stock of society, yet because you worship a man in the sky, you get away with it...scary how that works...

Are you that vague in everyday life? Do you dodge questions in real life? At your job? School? With your spouse? Kids? I hope not, but since you're a Christian, it wouldn't surprise me one bit....dumbass
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Where as you have clearly displayed your exquisite verbose and mannerisms in the op.

If you do not understand spiritual things, How shall I explain earthly things. Your not worth it.
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he lived by example, which is far more powerful.
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Was Jesus illiterate?


most likely. most people were back then.

but as an atheist i can say you really dont understand enuff aboot the bible to mock it. most christians dont get it either so dont feel bad.

I don't understand "enuff" (lol) about the Bible? Why do you say that? Because I have a legit question that NOT ONE so called 'christian' here can answer?
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can story book characters write? would be the obvious question to ask yourself first. but fiction or not it still contains a message that many severely distort.
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Ooops, didn't mean to kill the thread.

Here's another tidbit from the prior link. I truly found the research enthralling. BTW, yes, I do still believe in God, just not that whole vengeful, wrathful one.



[link to www.bidstrup.com]

...The Council of Nicea became, in essence, the enforcer of the official, politically correct doctrine, and in essence, the forerunner of the Inquisition. This, along with the influence of the emperor himself, is why the Catholic Church today resembles in its government the government of the Roman Empire of the period.

The headquarters of the church was eventually established at Rome, and the head of the church became known as the Pope. New basilicas dotted the landscape, all built with the blessing of the Emperor, and all aligned to the new, imperially blessed, church headquarters in Rome (indeed, the very word "basilica" itself originally meant a building that was the local Roman courthouse and hall of justice). Constantine sent his mother off to Palestine to build basilicas over the sacred sites of the church's early history, and "find" and return with faith-promoting "relics" which of course, local entrepreneurs were happy to produce. The newly established headquarters in Rome set about persecuting the Gnostics (crucifying many of them and sending many others to the lions), and suppressing the Marionite, Arian and other heresies.

In order to popularize the church with the masses, the doctrinal emphasis was changed significantly even when the ideology didn't. These changes were reflected in the art of the Christian church. When early, pre-Constantine Roman Christians met secretly in Rome, the art they produced reflected the pastoral nature of Jesus' teachings - scenes of Jesus feeding the multitudes, blessing the children, and healing the sick were the themes in the art of that period.

After the conversion of Constantine, the character of the art suddenly and dramatically changed to reflect the change in doctrinal emphasis. Gone are the sweet, pastoral scenes of a meek Jesus patiently ministering to his humble followers. Instead, images of the crucifixion and the scourging of Jesus in the court of Pilate become common. This was to help the suffering masses identify with Jesus who was said to have suffered on their behalf.

The church had became a political instrument -- be patient with your suffering under Roman rule, the masses were told, and a better life for you is prepared for you if you believe in Jesus the Savior. The emporer may not provide good living in this life, but Jesus would in the next. In other words, shut up and suffer quietly.

It is at this time that the Chi Rho and the symbol of the fish, representing the miraculous nature of Jesus' message (at least as formulated by the gospel writers), is replaced by the cross, at the time a symbol of death and suffering, as the almost universal emblem of Christianity.

The political message of the new symbol couldn't have been clearer at the time - join up and Jesus will relieve your suffering in the next world even if the Emperor doesn't do so in this. Fail to join, and you're on your own - and the consequences could be dire. For obvious reasons, the new religion spread quickly in far-off corners of the empire that had barely heard of it before........
Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom. -- Samuel Taylor Coleridge

In seeking wisdom thou art wise; in imagining that thou hast attained it - thou art a fool. -- Lord Chesterfield

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