The Illuminati was made a offer they couldn't refuse.

you know, maybe our ideas of rationality are a lot more alike than it seemed at first. it's hard to demonstrate rationality when in a discussion that has any amount of hostility. it wasn't my intent to be hostile toward you, i actually thought it was coming across that i was sharing a philosophical thought. but i guess i haven't mastered that.

i actually agree with quite a few of your points, i just think some of them are incorrectly directed at me because this happened to be our first conversation, and i happened to be defending the idea that maybe tarot isn't that great.

let's maybe try to start over a little bit? this has turned into an insult war, which goes nowhere and isn't worth my time imo.

you said "We probably agree on this...ritual magic does seem rather ridiculous, and if that is the detrimental part, then I agree with you on that."

also, when i say 'knowledge' i mean something more parallel to information, not conclusions.

if we start there, i think there won't be much to attack each other over anymore.

why not write your own tarot deck, then youd know it was yours.

maybe its because you believe in another more powerful than yourself?

Yes to your statement, I agree 100%.

My answer to your question is NO! It is neither belief nor premise...regardless of "powerfulness", images that you creat yourself will be more reflective of your subconscious and unconscious mind, as opposed to someone else doing it for you.

we need to start relying on ourselves in all things.

and fighting sucks, unless you like sparring.

so lets pick a different topic.

hey,, did yall hear the illuminati was made an offer they couldnt refuse?

Well, you started the fight, and I'm game.

You called for truce, and I'm game.

Your point about 'kbowledge' is given.

OK, let's start over.

My point on 'ritual magic' is that it is pretension and artifice
Therefore, not worthwile and as you noted, not genuine to true self expression. That point is also a given if you wish.

I'm also into Jungian psychology, and approach Tarot from that angle, and that angle only. All others are defective.

I'll argue my points for myself, and not defend others in their use of Tarot as religion. That is something we also probably agree with.

I agree, if it just a pissing match, then what's the point?

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we need to start relying on ourselves in all things.

and fighting sucks, unless you like sparring.

so lets pick a different topic.

hey,, did yall hear the illuminati was made an offer they couldnt refuse?

:oh-boy: