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I am a 32nd degree MASON & a Knight Templar - Ask me a question

 
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I was born 21st Dec. 1960 I have married into family with Mason back ground.I have met 32 degree mason read on Masons history . Probably understand more of the Masons Lies to protect there history and deception.I realize there is a struggle for membership to add power to 3 select groups.Would I be a Freemason without even actually going through trivial ring buying bullshit.I am guessing yes,really not my own family has ties. I dont go to meetings but I agree with the concept... P.S. watch out for the Muslems
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This is an open and honest question to the OP and anyone who can answer it.
Is Zecharia Sitchin a Mason or in anyway connected to them?
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1. There are no secrets.


2. No
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Did you find those level places whose links I gave you?
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Which temple or order are you in?
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I am also a 32nd degree (Scottish Rite) Mason, an officer in Blue Lodge, initiated in York Rite, and yes even - gasp - a Shriner. I can verify that everything OP has said is accurate. Some great writing and explaining, OP. I especially liked your point relating to cargo cults.

The real conspiracy, as another poster alluded to, may be the conspiracy to portray Masons as the opposite of what they generally are - instead of benevolent and seeking traditional virtue, portray them as depraved and evil. Instead of having a history of upholding freedom, free thought, liberty and democracy, portray them as agents of an enslaving "New World Order". How is it that an institution which seems to have inspired many of the heros of the American Revolution has come to be seen as a dark and sinister thing seeking to undermine traditional American values and sovereignty?

And, for those of you seeking true conspiracy, think about it - whose agenda would such a misrepresentation serve?

Political and economic groups with their own radical agendas may, for all I know, recruit from Masons - as I would assume they do from Rotary Club, churches, political groups, industry groups, federal and local government, law enforcement, federal agencies, etc etc.

No human institution is perfect, that's obvious. Why should Masons be any different. But mostly I see that people who are active in Masonry are people who arrive for lodge meetings with a spirit of honest friendship and integrity. They are interested in the well-being of their fellow men (Masons or not) and, more often than not these days, they are troubled by the challenges facing our society and our country. They tend to be very patriotic and traditional in their notions of what America is and what it stands for.

They have a sense of humor and they range in age from 18 to 80++ although the older ages are certainly well represented. But isn't honoring and seeking wisdom from our elders a traditional value that is being implicitly trampled when people say they don't want to hang out with "those old farts"?

Aside from the philosophical, spiritual and philanthropic motivations that cause some people to enjoy Masonry, there is the fraternal - you can't understand Masonry's popularity without that. It is a society of men and is the prototype of many other fraternal organizations including fun-seeking college fraternities. Some guys are just bored and get involved because they enjoy hanging out with like-minded men who generally have a moral and philosophical outlook and, more often than not, a decent sense of humor. There is no alcohol allowed in a standard Masonic lodge (blue lodge) so it is a fairly healthy environment.

As for that infamous letter allegedly written by Albert Pike plotting World War III, I agree with those who say it is a fraud. It reads nothing like any of his other writing that I have read.

As for quoting this writer or that writer who claims Masonry can be interpreted in some kind of Luciferian terms, consider the source. There is every opinion under the sun about what Masonry "really" means and some of those are written by people with rather feverish brains who want to make it something that it is not for most members. Masonry's meaning is contained in symbols which, like all symbols, can contain multiple meanings based on their historical and cultural context. Christian Masons often interpret it all in Christian terms. Jewish, Universalist, Mormon, or whatever Masons interpret according to their faiths. Don't hand-pick some radical "magical" interpretation and ignore the many (and probably more popular) interpretations that are much more traditional in their outlook. Out of the thousands or tens of thousands of books on Masonry out there, you can always find some incendiary quote from some madman which represents nothing more than his own interpretation, vision, or fantasy.

What OP wrote is all accurate and well-written. Good job OP. For those of you who hate Masonry, that's fine. But don't accept what you read about it at face value - except this posting of course ;-) Apply your conspiracy filter and look beyond the claims that it's a conspiracy; is the claim that it's a particular type of conspiracy itself a conspiracy? Don't belittle Masonry by failing to realize that no matter how deep you may think you've seen down the rabbit hole, it may go yet further...
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Which uncle molested you as a kid, for you to reach a point in your life where you felt the need to join a club of old men, whom have faux-wisdom, in order for you to achieve a sense of belonging and confidence?



Never molested.

I joined out of curiosity. I started out reading about it on forums like this and then decided that I would find out for myself what all the hubub was about.

Apart from the initiation ritual, there wasn't much there that I had not already known about. I do however remain open to learning more and perhaps the Masonic mythology will have more to teach me as time goes on, who knows.

I certainly have no desire to BELONG to anything and my self-confidence is doing just fine. Perhaps other people join things for this reason. In this case I joined out of pure desire to know first hand what Masonry was all about.

Sorry, I was not greeted by SATAN riding on a goat nor was my soul sold into eternal perdition.

Most of the misconceptions about Masonry come from a certain belief system that has it's own agenda. I advise that you question that agenda just as you should any other agenda devised by man.
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I joined for pretty much the same reasons. I don't attend blue lodge anymore. It's just rediculous; old men prancing around forgetting their lines and all the silly things. Every time I read about how awful we are.......I laugh my ass off......because Masonry is a paper tiger....and it makes people sound stupid. They should join if they want to see the true masons.

Hell I joined THINKING it WAS the truth. I WISH it was. I truly do. But, sadly, it's not.
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I am also a 32nd degree (Scottish Rite) Mason, an officer in Blue Lodge, initiated in York Rite, and yes even - gasp - a Shriner. I can verify that everything OP has said is accurate. Some great writing and explaining, OP. I especially liked your point relating to cargo cults.

The real conspiracy, as another poster alluded to, may be the conspiracy to portray Masons as the opposite of what they generally are - instead of benevolent and seeking traditional virtue, portray them as depraved and evil. Instead of having a history of upholding freedom, free thought, liberty and democracy, portray them as agents of an enslaving "New World Order". How is it that an institution which seems to have inspired many of the heros of the American Revolution has come to be seen as a dark and sinister thing seeking to undermine traditional American values and sovereignty?

And, for those of you seeking true conspiracy, think about it - whose agenda would such a misrepresentation serve?

Political and economic groups with their own radical agendas may, for all I know, recruit from Masons - as I would assume they do from Rotary Club, churches, political groups, industry groups, federal and local government, law enforcement, federal agencies, etc etc.

No human institution is perfect, that's obvious. Why should Masons be any different. But mostly I see that people who are active in Masonry are people who arrive for lodge meetings with a spirit of honest friendship and integrity. They are interested in the well-being of their fellow men (Masons or not) and, more often than not these days, they are troubled by the challenges facing our society and our country. They tend to be very patriotic and traditional in their notions of what America is and what it stands for.

They have a sense of humor and they range in age from 18 to 80++ although the older ages are certainly well represented. But isn't honoring and seeking wisdom from our elders a traditional value that is being implicitly trampled when people say they don't want to hang out with "those old farts"?

Aside from the philosophical, spiritual and philanthropic motivations that cause some people to enjoy Masonry, there is the fraternal - you can't understand Masonry's popularity without that. It is a society of men and is the prototype of many other fraternal organizations including fun-seeking college fraternities. Some guys are just bored and get involved because they enjoy hanging out with like-minded men who generally have a moral and philosophical outlook and, more often than not, a decent sense of humor. There is no alcohol allowed in a standard Masonic lodge (blue lodge) so it is a fairly healthy environment.

As for that infamous letter allegedly written by Albert Pike plotting World War III, I agree with those who say it is a fraud. It reads nothing like any of his other writing that I have read.

As for quoting this writer or that writer who claims Masonry can be interpreted in some kind of Luciferian terms, consider the source. There is every opinion under the sun about what Masonry "really" means and some of those are written by people with rather feverish brains who want to make it something that it is not for most members. Masonry's meaning is contained in symbols which, like all symbols, can contain multiple meanings based on their historical and cultural context. Christian Masons often interpret it all in Christian terms. Jewish, Universalist, Mormon, or whatever Masons interpret according to their faiths. Don't hand-pick some radical "magical" interpretation and ignore the many (and probably more popular) interpretations that are much more traditional in their outlook. Out of the thousands or tens of thousands of books on Masonry out there, you can always find some incendiary quote from some madman which represents nothing more than his own interpretation, vision, or fantasy.

What OP wrote is all accurate and well-written. Good job OP. For those of you who hate Masonry, that's fine. But don't accept what you read about it at face value - except this posting of course ;-) Apply your conspiracy filter and look beyond the claims that it's a conspiracy; is the claim that it's a particular type of conspiracy itself a conspiracy? Don't belittle Masonry by failing to realize that no matter how deep you may think you've seen down the rabbit hole, it may go yet further...
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Excellant post from a fellow MM., SR and Shriner (32.) What do I do about my lodge of old men who can't remember their lines or even have enough in attendance to fill all the positions? Do I go to a different lodge? Would switching to a much larger city re-energize my interest.......like St. Louis, MO.? How pissed off would my current blue lodge be if I switched? It's just so boring at our small town lodge...but I don't want to be rude to my brothers there.
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Excellant post from a fellow MM., SR and Shriner (32.) What do I do about my lodge of old men who can't remember their lines or even have enough in attendance to fill all the positions? Do I go to a different lodge? Would switching to a much larger city re-energize my interest.......like St. Louis, MO.? How pissed off would my current blue lodge be if I switched? It's just so boring at our small town lodge...but I don't want to be rude to my brothers there."


You can check out some other lodges. Each one has their own character and some of them do have younger and more energetic members. I get what you're saying though, there's a lot of that out there, can't deny it. I am fortunate that my lodge has had a good flow of younger members since I joined and I have taken a leadership role in organizing some social event/fundraisers that have made things more interesting. The key would be finding a lodge that has a core group of guys who you like and want to hang around with. I don't think your experience is unusual unfortunately and I would certainly admit that there is a lot of complacent, boring, pointless Masonry going on. With that said, obviously I have found a place in it for me that is satisfying and I am enjoying helping to grow our organization and take it for what it is. I wouldn't worry too much about being rude to your lodge's brothers by checking out other lodges. If it's not working for you, you should look elsewhere and if you don't find one that you like, you can put it on hold and maybe pick it up again in the future if you move or the lodge changes. Any decent lodge will welcome a visitor, even if he hasn't been in a lodge for decades. I'm not clear if you're in Scottish Rite but you might visit the consistory in a larger area since they typically have larger meetings attracting a wider variety of members. Let's be real though, most members are not going to be the type of people who spend a lot of time on conspiracy forums, so be realistic in your expectations.
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I'm afraid OP is not coming back to this thread. Too many hard questions that he's not prepared to give a honest answer to.
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OP, stop answering questions on this thread!
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Let's be real though, most members are not going to be the type of people who spend a lot of time on conspiracy forums, so be realistic in your expectations.
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Thanks. Everything was find until the last sentence. Don't quite understand that statement. I am scottish rite, 32, yes.

I was thinking about that suggestion you mentioned regarding the SR over in ST. Louis.

Heck, the beautiful SR building near us is having to be sold off due to lack of revenue/attendance.

I just really wonder if young people aren't joining as much as they used to........if the older men are not dying off........the economy is not killing this work.........and Freemasonry is no longer what it used to be.
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"Heck, the beautiful SR building near us is having to be sold off due to lack of revenue/attendance.

I just really wonder if young people aren't joining as much as they used to........if the older men are not dying off........the economy is not killing this work.........and Freemasonry is no longer what it used to be."


All true. Though there are signs it may turn around or have a cyclical renewal in interest.

All the more reason to suppose that the notion that Masonry is a primary locus of destructive social manipulation and control is a juvenile fantasy of the ill-informed...

Encouraged by media and TPTB because it distracts people from the real sources and methods of destructive control and manipulation which are more likely than not hidden in plain view.
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I do not watch the news, I write music, I quoted that day in a song " OIL WELL FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL" i felt it in my heart. i couldn't believe what i wrote and sing came to pass. I then received a package from conico phillips that i am a oil well heir now? i read symbols, conico phillips has a cardinal for the symbol, a cardinal was outside tapping on my window for 4 days.
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flo97491t9rose Hi OP, my question is have you ever considered where you will spend eternity.

THE CURSE OF BAPHOMET... [link to www.chick.com]
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"Good man.

But the why the need to PAY MONEY to advance?
Why the hoarding of knowledge?
Why the BOYS club?"


Well first off it's not expensive, basically your fees pay for your bible and apron. In my area it's almost always $150 for the three degrees, and then you pay $75 a year which goes toward your dinner and building upkeep. I know in some places it's more expensive. The knowledge is there for everybody, all you have to do is ask. And the BOYS CLUB (AHHHH!) is actually a large point of freemasonry. You get to hang out with some of the most interesting people you have ever met, talk about fun stuff all the time, work the rituals, and have a great time in general. I know, again, some lodges may not be as good as mine (as it sounds like the OP has a stodgy lodge).

Here in the USA the entire country is literally filled with Masonic lodges. If one isn't working out, pick another.

We have lodges that are serious and formal, serious and informal, fun oriented, family oriented, lodges that open almost all parts of the meeting to the public (reserving a few things for private), lodges devoted to the study of the deeply esoteric, lodges devoted to historical research, and on and on. Anybody can buy any number of books on Masonry, including the famous and (for over 100 years) widely available Duncan's Masonic Monitor which actually spells out the degrees for everybody if they want to read it.

People like you don't understand the point of Masonry. We aren't a bunch of evil vampires that hide in attics and basements working demonic magic, we are some of the nicest and smartest people you could know, and we are people who will help you out of a jam even if you aren't a brother.

There's a lot of crap floating around about Masonry. It's mainly put out by people with more air than sense.
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:flo9::7491t9:rose Hi OP, my question is have you ever considered where you will spend eternity.

THE CURSE OF BAPHOMET... [link to www.chick.com]
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That's a bunch of crap by Chick. Utter secrecy and confidentiality is necessary for people engaged in serious business.
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I am also a 32nd degree (Scottish Rite) Mason, an officer in Blue Lodge, initiated in York Rite, and yes even - gasp - a Shriner. I can verify that everything OP has said is accurate. Some great writing and explaining, OP. I especially liked your point relating to cargo cults.

The real conspiracy, as another poster alluded to, may be the conspiracy to portray Masons as the opposite of what they generally are - instead of benevolent and seeking traditional virtue, portray them as depraved and evil. Instead of having a history of upholding freedom, free thought, liberty and democracy, portray them as agents of an enslaving "New World Order". How is it that an institution which seems to have inspired many of the heros of the American Revolution has come to be seen as a dark and sinister thing seeking to undermine traditional American values and sovereignty?

And, for those of you seeking true conspiracy, think about it - whose agenda would such a misrepresentation serve?

Political and economic groups with their own radical agendas may, for all I know, recruit from Masons - as I would assume they do from Rotary Club, churches, political groups, industry groups, federal and local government, law enforcement, federal agencies, etc etc.

No human institution is perfect, that's obvious. Why should Masons be any different. But mostly I see that people who are active in Masonry are people who arrive for lodge meetings with a spirit of honest friendship and integrity. They are interested in the well-being of their fellow men (Masons or not) and, more often than not these days, they are troubled by the challenges facing our society and our country. They tend to be very patriotic and traditional in their notions of what America is and what it stands for.

They have a sense of humor and they range in age from 18 to 80++ although the older ages are certainly well represented. But isn't honoring and seeking wisdom from our elders a traditional value that is being implicitly trampled when people say they don't want to hang out with "those old farts"?

Aside from the philosophical, spiritual and philanthropic motivations that cause some people to enjoy Masonry, there is the fraternal - you can't understand Masonry's popularity without that. It is a society of men and is the prototype of many other fraternal organizations including fun-seeking college fraternities. Some guys are just bored and get involved because they enjoy hanging out with like-minded men who generally have a moral and philosophical outlook and, more often than not, a decent sense of humor. There is no alcohol allowed in a standard Masonic lodge (blue lodge) so it is a fairly healthy environment.

As for that infamous letter allegedly written by Albert Pike plotting World War III, I agree with those who say it is a fraud. It reads nothing like any of his other writing that I have read.

As for quoting this writer or that writer who claims Masonry can be interpreted in some kind of Luciferian terms, consider the source. There is every opinion under the sun about what Masonry "really" means and some of those are written by people with rather feverish brains who want to make it something that it is not for most members. Masonry's meaning is contained in symbols which, like all symbols, can contain multiple meanings based on their historical and cultural context. Christian Masons often interpret it all in Christian terms. Jewish, Universalist, Mormon, or whatever Masons interpret according to their faiths. Don't hand-pick some radical "magical" interpretation and ignore the many (and probably more popular) interpretations that are much more traditional in their outlook. Out of the thousands or tens of thousands of books on Masonry out there, you can always find some incendiary quote from some madman which represents nothing more than his own interpretation, vision, or fantasy.

What OP wrote is all accurate and well-written. Good job OP. For those of you who hate Masonry, that's fine. But don't accept what you read about it at face value - except this posting of course ;-) Apply your conspiracy filter and look beyond the claims that it's a conspiracy; is the claim that it's a particular type of conspiracy itself a conspiracy? Don't belittle Masonry by failing to realize that no matter how deep you may think you've seen down the rabbit hole, it may go yet further...
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Well said brother. One must also point out that, unfortunately, there are many bodies calling themselves Masons who are not legally constituted. These clandestine bodies have, in the past, conducted themselves in very unfortunate and sometimes sinister and criminal ways. It is important to note that the sorts of people who generally associate with such bodies are likely thrill seekers, people who have been ejected from a regular lodge, or people unfit for initiation into a regular lodge.

The people who villify Freemasonry usually have a fundamentalist motivation or one kind or another, or are caught up in conspiracy theories crafted as disinformation. There are evil forces out there that bodies of good Masons oppose and this has been the case throughout centuries of history.

Because Masons shed blood we can sit around and freely talk about whatever we like. It is largely because of Masons that we Americans have the rights that we do. There is a historical perspective to be examined here.

It is interesting to know that there are some other Masons that read this site. Of course, anybody can say they are a Mason on the internet, but I think eventually our natures will show without any secret handshakes necessary.
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Did you read these books?

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It's not about what you think it's about. It's not even about what many other Freemasons think it's about.
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What is the sense of a human?
Is it to be authentically or to be a man with several door faces?
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Did you sell your soul to the devil? Did you sign on the dotted line swearing to oppose all supposed superstition, that is belief in the Creator?

You do know the chain of command leads back to the Jesuits, brother templars?

"It is curious to note too that most of the bodies which work these, such as the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, the Rite of Avignon, the Order of the Temple, Fessler's Rite, the "Grand Council of the Emperors of the East and West -- Sovereign Prince Masons," etc., etc., are nearly all the offspring of the sons of Ignatius Loyola. The Baron Hundt, Chevalier Ramsay, Tschoudy, Zinnendorf, and numerous others who founded the grades in these rites, worked under instructions from the General of the Jesuits. The nest where these high degrees were hatched, and no Masonic rite is free from their baalful influence more or less, was the Jesuit College of Clermont at Paris." (Isis Unveiled, H. P. Blavatsky, p.390)

As with the great harlot the freemasons have hellfire await.
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Some sound questions...

I have had internal urge to be a mason.
In my family, there are lots of masons. No-one will speak about masonry with me. On one occasion I asked from non-relative mason to join freemasons but since he has never spoke about my petition.

Why?

Another questions to a mason are: should I join or should I not? I know I want, but what if after initiation and all those wows and pledges etc are de-facto real and I am compelled to conceal everything I know from non-masons so I wouldn't even want to know or experience all the inexpressible? So: should I want to be a mason?
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So if a 32nd degree Mason pokes an interest person in the back at the lodge during a meet the brothers occasion what does that symbolize or mean?
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So if a 32nd degree Mason pokes an interest person in the back at the lodge during a meet the brothers occasion what does that symbolize or mean?
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sounds like brokeback mountain... kim jong crisco kissup
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So if a 32nd degree Mason pokes an interest person in the back at the lodge during a meet the brothers occasion what does that symbolize or mean?



sounds like brokeback mountain... kim jong crisco kissup
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So if a 32nd degree Mason pokes an interest person in the back at the lodge during a meet the brothers occasion what does that symbolize or mean?



sounds like brokeback mountain... kim jong crisco kissup

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So its a symbol of the ass kisser? the weakling suck up? or does have a homosexual meaning?
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EVIL as anythink on htis planet..
they are after the "Great Archetect".. since a 32 degree dont know, ill tell u CAIN...you fool !!!.. hew as the great one....he was a builder...The f**** light is CAIN !!!!
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