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" If my ideas were really a method of control then why would I be telling you to do your own will and no others. I'm saying to never ever do something someone else tells you to do unless you choose to. If you ask someone or suggest someone to do something do not punish them if the choose not to accept your suggestion.

Do NOT do what I tell you to do, do NOT do what anyone tells you to do without first consulting your own mind. Take all your knowledge about the subject into consideration and then decide what you want to do without fear of retribution.

How can one be controlled if they adhere to these beliefs?

I believe your will is given to you by God, and yourself. Do your own will and you'll be doing God's will. "


That is the best summary I have seen written, could not have said it any better myself....


Now the trick is to spread that truth....
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Sorry OP, you're not there yet.

"Elites" are nothing but upper class slaves. They're not the masters of this world, merely puppets. You have to look beyond them to see the real enslavers, the hidden hand. And they are not human.


You're clearly trying to hide the obvious. No it's not the ones that look like they're enslaving you it's something else you can't see or define clearly...

Edit: Also no one is commenting on the Anti-Christ portion of this. I know many don't like that stuff but the upper class is a hum dinger for the AC, they're the exact opposite of the character described as Christ.


You're getting CLOSER... but not there YET.

It DOES have to do with spirituality, but not like you think.

Sorry to burst your spiritual bubble, and that of anyone else's, and I too was shocked to discover this as well, but it is the TRUTH:

"What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"
- Pope Leo X.

ALL RELIGIONS ARE TOOLS OF THE RULERS TO CONTROL THE MASSES.


There is no ONE specific person who will be an "anti-christ" that is just subterfuge to lead people on an endless goose chase while THEY work behind the scenes to create MORE CONTROL.

IF you go back in time and study history, ALL RULERS WERE GODS. As they died and were replaced by their progeny, their "legend" became the "story" of the "god."

There is ONE CHIEF ENTITY or Spirit if you will, who has reincarnated over and over and over ad infinitum from the beginning of time as the CHEIF RULER... and has split off spiritually into other "tribes" to be the King/Ruler... ALL WITH THE SAME AGENDA.

You can visibly see the manifestation of Evil on this planet by the actions taken by the RULING CLASS. You can see it ALL DOWN THROUGH HISTORY TO THE PRESENT DAY.

You CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION AT HAND WITHOUT LOOKING TO THE SUPERNATURAL and understanding THIS IS THE FOUNDATION OF THE SITUATION.

I"m not talking Religion here; I am talking PURE SPIRIT ENERGY. The essence of the question: WHO am I?? WHAT is MY CONSCIOUSNESS?? Science knows it is NOT the Brain. So WHAT is IT?? IT IS SPIRIT. WHERE did it COME FROM?? Is there ONLY ONE KIND OF SPIRIT???

Once you begin looking at the situation from this point of view, you begin to understand the nature of what is REALLY GOING ON.

It is for this VERY REASON that Religion was conceived to confuse and mislead the masses. It is for this very reason that Science attempts to tell us we are nothing MORE than organic organisms that "evolved" to the state of humankind today. THEY BOTH TAKE THE FOCUS OFF THE REAL QUESTIONS.


If my ideas were really a method of control then why would I be telling you to do your own will and no others. I'm saying to never ever do something someone else tells you to do unless you choose to. If you ask someone or suggest someone to do something do not punish them if the choose not to accept your suggestion.

Do NOT do what I tell you to do, do NOT do what anyone tells you to do without first consulting your own mind. Take all your knowledge about the subject into consideration and then decide what you want to do without fear of retribution.

How can one be controlled if they adhere to these beliefs?

I believe your will is given to you by God, and yourself. Do your own will and you'll be doing God's will.


First off OP, you TOTALLY missed my point.

YOU MUST START AT THE SUPERNATURAL/SPIRITUAL to understand the state of the world NOW, or at any point in time in History.

To answer your question... You must consider WHERE the knowledge comes from that is applied to the given situation.

Then you must consider that CONTROL OF THE MASSES IS BASED UPON FEAR AND RETRIBUTION. End of story.

Just review ALL HISTORY up to the present day and you will see that this is the case. For example, if Iran doesn't stop working with nuclear components, they will receive retribution. Certainly they could decide to do what they want, but they will be punished and are being punished.

The ESSENCE OF EVIL CONTROLLING THE MASSES IS FEAR AND THE ULTIMATE PUNISHMENT: DEATH. Again, End of Story.
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The knowledge comes from nature and all that surrounds us. Mankind also comes from nature and later nature comes from Mankind. It is like you said, put all the information you can in your mind and ponder it until an answer comes out. This is how one prays to God. You are God and God created you and your brain, think about it and you are praying to God, you are asking God. Sure you can ask others for assistance, but whatever information they give you goes into your head and you ponder it and come up with an answer to your question.

If we have a policy where we are no longer trying to force people to our rules and allow them the freedom to do as they wish they will no longer have any reason to hate us. Iran will no longer have any reason to wish our destruction because we will no longer be an obstruction to their way of life. Better yet once the people of Iran start to see that our peaceful way of life breeds only happiness and not hate or ill will they will start to see the truth in free will as-well. Lead by example rather than iron fist.
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" If my ideas were really a method of control then why would I be telling you to do your own will and no others. I'm saying to never ever do something someone else tells you to do unless you choose to. If you ask someone or suggest someone to do something do not punish them if the choose not to accept your suggestion.

Do NOT do what I tell you to do, do NOT do what anyone tells you to do without first consulting your own mind. Take all your knowledge about the subject into consideration and then decide what you want to do without fear of retribution.

How can one be controlled if they adhere to these beliefs?

I believe your will is given to you by God, and yourself. Do your own will and you'll be doing God's will. "


That is the best summary I have seen written, could not have said it any better myself....


Now the trick is to spread that truth....
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Thanks for the assist
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Question;

What's the end game?
Where are they going with us?
Do they have alien rulers? I mean, they've been around since the beginning - wouldn't they have to?


End Game is just the end of the current game...the end of the Roman empire was the end of that game, the end of the way things are today is the end of this game and the start of another. This one seems a bit bigger, but they get bigger and smaller all the time. This time they shift the red/blue powers, they shift the middle east powers, and they shift the race powers(been hearing about race wars coming up) This time they're calling it a Pole Shift.

They're going back to the same place they came from, things might look a bit different, boarders will be redrawn but ultimately the aristocracy will be in power and the rest of us will still hate eachother (Divide and conquer the pleebs are divided against eachother and the rich conquer)

They do not have 'alien' rulers like you might think. They often refer to themselves as aliens because they truly believe they are a greater race of beings, not human like us but smarter and stronger and better(not true of course but they think so, really just like Hitler) They didn't need aliens to help them conquer us, they conquered us eons ago when we thought the 10 square mile pond we lived near was the whole world, it was like taking candy from a baby. Originally they were shaman types and magicians. They wowed people by throwing clay rocks into lakes and turning them a bit red, they did this up stream so people couldn't see them. The slaves thought this was magic and worshiped them as Gods. They pull the same tricks today, I know how UFO's fly and I'll post that in a bit, it's incredibly simple you're gonna kick yourself for not figuring it out.



How can they hide themselves so well?

Like, we eat cloned animals...People don't know.
Flouride is worse for you than good, and people don't know.
Sept 11 was an inside job, and people are just starting to know...if that.
4/20/10 was an inside job, and no one cares.

How can this secret go on?

And how can they not have alien lords if they started in Sumerian times?

Also, why are they collecting all the gold in the world if not for an alien purpose?



They started before sumeria only much much smaller, I don't currently know of any named tribes before that time period so I didn't mention, but I did mention it started with shaman types and tribal leaders, they were all just liars.

They hide it right in front of your face, it's too obvious to be true, just like you said for the rest of those things, fluoride and whatnot. They refresh the system before the populace is fully ready to wake up, using their market research to determine what percentage of the population is becoming aware. GLP is one of those tools.
The Gold is what they use as money, they used it originally and still use it today. People love gold for some reason and they know that. It's in very short supply so it's easy for them to hold onto and keep track of.
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He who walks righteously and speaks what is right, who rejects gain from extortion and keeps his hand from accepting bribes, who stops his ears against plots of murder and shuts his eyes against contemplating evil-- this is the man who will dwell on the heights, whose refuge will be the mountain fortress. His bread will be supplied, and water will not fail him. Your eyes will see the king in his beauty and view a land that stretches afar. - Isaiah 33:18

About Zionist "Jews" “Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” - John 8:4
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if you are aware... when you reach the crossroads there are two choices:

if you pick the road to destruction, you get 'rewards' of power positions or money or fame on this planet... reincarnated.

if you pick the road to life, you surrender your ego you ascend... you get off this planet

The Illuminati are the souls that reincarnated and are aware in their next reincarnation... but did not ascend.

The rest of the people that live on the planet are unawakened souls... or starseeds trying to wake them up.

Prison planet earth is a soul recycling machine with a harvest every 6000 years.
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You are God and God created you and your brain, think about it and you are praying to God, you are asking God.
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Aaahhh... I see OP that you have bought into the "new age" "eastern mindset" of believing the MAIN LIE OF THE SERPENT namely that you or something else IS GOD.

THERE IS ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY GOD.

And it is NOT YOU.

DID YOU CREATE YOURSELF?????

That is what you are saying in your quote!

Your brain IS NOT YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS. It is your "CPU."

You are sadly mislead... There IS A CREATOR, Almighty God, who is NOT the God of War, of Death, of Famine, of Pestilence, of Anger, of Blood Sacrifice, of Fear, of Control.

And by thinking that you are HE, you are breaking HIS ONE AND ONLY LAW.

If you want to really understand what is going on in the world today and all down through history, visit this website which spells it out as plainly as can possibly be: [link to www.lionofjeshurun.com]
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You are God and God created you and your brain, think about it and you are praying to God, you are asking God.



Aaahhh... I see OP that you have bought into the "new age" "eastern mindset" of believing the MAIN LIE OF THE SERPENT namely that you or something else IS GOD.

THERE IS ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY GOD.

And it is NOT YOU.

DID YOU CREATE YOURSELF?????

That is what you are saying in your quote!

Your brain IS NOT YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS. It is your "CPU."

You are sadly mislead... There IS A CREATOR, Almighty God, who is NOT the God of War, of Death, of Famine, of Pestilence, of Anger, of Blood Sacrifice, of Fear, of Control.

And by thinking that you are HE, you are breaking HIS ONE AND ONLY LAW.

If you want to really understand what is going on in the world today and all down through history, visit this website which spells it out as plainly as can possibly be: [link to www.lionofjeshurun.com]
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I'm quoting from my earlier post:

That reminds me that I mentioned earlier I knew exactly who God is. Well get ready because this is some good stuff, no vague references just plain old black and white english.

We start with the big bang and we'll end with that too.

The big bang happens with a singular massive force that causes all of the universes infinite matter to explode outwards. It's important to note this is a single force, it happens in an instant and then the force is gone, all transferred to momentum of the matter.

As the matter expands another force, called gravity, is pulling each individual piece of matter back together. Gravity is not yet strong enough to overcome the massive explosive force, but since it is constant it is continually slowing down the universes expansion. The universe slows and slows until finally gravity gets the best of it and starts pulling it back. Since gravity is a constant the universe accelerates inward at the exact same rate that it was previously decelerating. When the universe finally collides at the center it collides with the exact same amount of force that it previously exploded with, the matter essentially bounces off of each other with, again, the exact same amount of force it previously bounced off of each other and the universe propels outward to the exact same extent it previously did. This happens again and again until infinity, it never stops, matter is neither created nor destroyed and neither is energy, it lasts forever.

Now the God part, he didn't create the Universe as much as assemble it. As the universe expands mankind is in there somewhere evolving. Mankind evolves over quite a long time and becomes really quite intelligent. Eventually mankind is able to invent technology to literally move stars, create black holes and so on.

What happens with this tech is that in the end mankind uses their advanced computing technology to actually move every piece of matter in the universe creating a planned chain reaction when the universe collides back at the center. Mankind itself planned this chain reaction just like a nuclear bomb or a firework or a string of dominoes. The resulting explosion is planned out by the mankind that existed in the previous expansion of the universe. Thus God is the beginning and the end, alpha and omega, and mankind was created in his own image. Mankind is God, just not yet.
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In addition to that yes there is one God. We are complex multi cellular organisms. He is what I like to call MC2 or a multi-complex multi cellular organism. God's brain is made up of mankind. Each human being makes up one individual neuron in God's brain. The rest of the universe makes up the various parts of God's body.
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if you are aware... when you reach the crossroads there are two choices:

if you pick the road to destruction, you get 'rewards' of power positions or money or fame on this planet... reincarnated.

if you pick the road to life, you surrender your ego you ascend... you get off this planet

The Illuminati are the souls that reincarnated and are aware in their next reincarnation... but did not ascend.

The rest of the people that live on the planet are unawakened souls... or starseeds trying to wake them up.

Prison planet earth is a soul recycling machine with a harvest every 6000 years.
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If that is the case then one could say I seek to educate all of mankind so that they have the knowledge they need to make the best choice possible.
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In addition to that yes there is one God. We are complex multi cellular organisms. He is what I like to call MC2 or a multi-complex multi cellular organism. God's brain is made up of mankind. Each human being makes up one individual neuron in God's brain. The rest of the universe makes up the various parts of God's body.
 Quoting: Adam.Ryder


Sadly OP, you are WRONG.

Again, if you really WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, visit this website and get educated: [link to www.lionofjeshurun.com]
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In addition to that yes there is one God. We are complex multi cellular organisms. He is what I like to call MC2 or a multi-complex multi cellular organism. God's brain is made up of mankind. Each human being makes up one individual neuron in God's brain. The rest of the universe makes up the various parts of God's body.


Sadly OP, you are WRONG.

Again, if you really WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, visit this website and get educated: [link to www.lionofjeshurun.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1012473


I haven't read the whole site yet, but I see nothing there that refutes any of what I have said. Perhaps you would like to post a few specifics.
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These leaders were in fact agents of the falling empires rulers
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EXACTLY.

NO ron paul
NO jesse venture
NO ...
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You are God and God created you and your brain, think about it and you are praying to God, you are asking God.



Aaahhh... I see OP that you have bought into the "new age" "eastern mindset" of believing the MAIN LIE OF THE SERPENT namely that you or something else IS GOD.

THERE IS ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY GOD.

And it is NOT YOU.

DID YOU CREATE YOURSELF?????

That is what you are saying in your quote!

Your brain IS NOT YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS. It is your "CPU."

You are sadly mislead... There IS A CREATOR, Almighty God, who is NOT the God of War, of Death, of Famine, of Pestilence, of Anger, of Blood Sacrifice, of Fear, of Control.

And by thinking that you are HE, you are breaking HIS ONE AND ONLY LAW.

If you want to really understand what is going on in the world today and all down through history, visit this website which spells it out as plainly as can possibly be: [link to www.lionofjeshurun.com]
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Ok I see this from the site you listed:

1 When thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and shall cast out many nations before thee, the Hittite, and the Girgashite, and the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
2 and when thy God shall deliver them up before thee, and thou shalt smite them; then thou shalt utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them;
3 neither shalt thou make marriages with them: thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
4 For he will turn away thy son from following Me, that they may serve other gods; so will the anger of thy God be kindled against you, and He will destroy thee quickly.

And to me this clearly says when you see nations arise that are greater than you you should not join them for they are false Gods. That is part of what I'm saying here.
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These leaders were in fact agents of the falling empires rulers

EXACTLY.

NO ron paul
NO jesse venture
NO ...
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Indeed it certainly seems as though we are being setup for yet another 'people's revolution' that is in fact not of the people at all.
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In scientific terms what is the formula for humanity to create a society based in free will?
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Just wanna say thank you to the kind contributors to this thread. It all seems like a bad screenplay. When I meditated once, and tried to see god, I saw everyone and everything... not like a single entity we imagine. like a huge ball of knowledge. Neither good or evil.. just existing and fuuuullll of information. I wonder if that is correct or just a shitty manifestation of my weak brain. :)

I would like to think things like humility, valor, kindness hold true with such a god, but I am not sure due to the state of things.

The meek shall inherit the earth... well, it doesnt look like anytime soon. I feel like a doormat of society.


My biggest struggle right now is how to separate myself from money... water can be found free.. but seeds, shelter, even a place to camp out.. take money.

We have a great infrastructure, if only we can claim it for ourselves, and cast away those that wish to divide and compete.
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You are God and God created you and your brain, think about it and you are praying to God, you are asking God.



Aaahhh... I see OP that you have bought into the "new age" "eastern mindset" of believing the MAIN LIE OF THE SERPENT namely that you or something else IS GOD.

THERE IS ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY GOD.

And it is NOT YOU.

DID YOU CREATE YOURSELF?????

That is what you are saying in your quote!

Your brain IS NOT YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS. It is your "CPU."

You are sadly mislead... There IS A CREATOR, Almighty God, who is NOT the God of War, of Death, of Famine, of Pestilence, of Anger, of Blood Sacrifice, of Fear, of Control.

And by thinking that you are HE, you are breaking HIS ONE AND ONLY LAW.

If you want to really understand what is going on in the world today and all down through history, visit this website which spells it out as plainly as can possibly be: [link to www.lionofjeshurun.com]


Ok I see this from the site you listed:

1 When thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and shall cast out many nations before thee, the Hittite, and the Girgashite, and the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
2 and when thy God shall deliver them up before thee, and thou shalt smite them; then thou shalt utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them;
3 neither shalt thou make marriages with them: thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
4 For he will turn away thy son from following Me, that they may serve other gods; so will the anger of thy God be kindled against you, and He will destroy thee quickly.

And to me this clearly says when you see nations arise that are greater than you you should not join them for they are false Gods. That is part of what I'm saying here.
 Quoting: Adam.Ryder


Correct.

But... there's WAY MORE...

How to tell and distinguish the tricks and deceptions of the Slave Masters...

AND HOW TO STOP THEM IN THEIR TRACKS.

The LAW of Almighty God... very simple, very easy, just love HIM and do not support ANY of the millions of False beliefs that are woven into the daily fabric of our lives. In doing so, you make the Slave Masters effects null and void in your life. If the entire planet did this, they would be finished, FOREVER.

[link to www.lionofjeshurun.com]
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In scientific terms what is the formula for humanity to create a society based in free will?
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Here's your answer, although it's probably not the answer you are looking for...

[link to www.lionofjeshurun.com]
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" If my ideas were really a method of control then why would I be telling you to do your own will and no others. I'm saying to never ever do something someone else tells you to do unless you choose to. If you ask someone or suggest someone to do something do not punish them if the choose not to accept your suggestion.

Do NOT do what I tell you to do, do NOT do what anyone tells you to do without first consulting your own mind. Take all your knowledge about the subject into consideration and then decide what you want to do without fear of retribution.

How can one be controlled if they adhere to these beliefs?

I believe your will is given to you by God, and yourself. Do your own will and you'll be doing God's will. "


That is the best summary I have seen written, could not have said it any better myself....


Now the trick is to spread that truth....
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DO WHAT THOU WILT, RIGHT?

GOTCHA.
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In scientific terms what is the formula for humanity to create a society based in free will?


Here's your answer, although it's probably not the answer you are looking for...

[link to www.lionofjeshurun.com]
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Trollin' hard.


I went to your link... saw Deuteronomy and closed the window. I figure that if a god is really that concerned with the actions of his children.. he will let them know, personally. I refuse to take someone elses world (bible) as truth as it relates to MY eternal soul.. and it feels good. I am responsible for myself..

I don't know if it is correct, but I know it feels right.
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Sorry OP, you're not there yet.

"Elites" are nothing but upper class slaves. They're not the masters of this world, merely puppets. You have to look beyond them to see the real enslavers, the hidden hand. And they are not human.


You're clearly trying to hide the obvious. No it's not the ones that look like they're enslaving you it's something else you can't see or define clearly...

Edit: Also no one is commenting on the Anti-Christ portion of this. I know many don't like that stuff but the upper class is a hum dinger for the AC, they're the exact opposite of the character described as Christ.


You're getting CLOSER... but not there YET.

It DOES have to do with spirituality, but not like you think.

Sorry to burst your spiritual bubble, and that of anyone else's, and I too was shocked to discover this as well, but it is the TRUTH:

"What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"
- Pope Leo X.

ALL RELIGIONS ARE TOOLS OF THE RULERS TO CONTROL THE MASSES.


There is no ONE specific person who will be an "anti-christ" that is just subterfuge to lead people on an endless goose chase while THEY work behind the scenes to create MORE CONTROL.

IF you go back in time and study history, ALL RULERS WERE GODS. As they died and were replaced by their progeny, their "legend" became the "story" of the "god."

There is ONE CHIEF ENTITY or Spirit if you will, who has reincarnated over and over and over ad infinitum from the beginning of time as the CHEIF RULER... and has split off spiritually into other "tribes" to be the King/Ruler... ALL WITH THE SAME AGENDA.

You can visibly see the manifestation of Evil on this planet by the actions taken by the RULING CLASS. You can see it ALL DOWN THROUGH HISTORY TO THE PRESENT DAY.

You CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION AT HAND WITHOUT LOOKING TO THE SUPERNATURAL and understanding THIS IS THE FOUNDATION OF THE SITUATION.

I"m not talking Religion here; I am talking PURE SPIRIT ENERGY. The essence of the question: WHO am I?? WHAT is MY CONSCIOUSNESS?? Science knows it is NOT the Brain. So WHAT is IT?? IT IS SPIRIT. WHERE did it COME FROM?? Is there ONLY ONE KIND OF SPIRIT???

Once you begin looking at the situation from this point of view, you begin to understand the nature of what is REALLY GOING ON.

It is for this VERY REASON that Religion was conceived to confuse and mislead the masses. It is for this very reason that Science attempts to tell us we are nothing MORE than organic organisms that "evolved" to the state of humankind today. THEY BOTH TAKE THE FOCUS OFF THE REAL QUESTIONS.
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That quote comes from a play that was written where the character of the pope Leo said that line. This is not an actual quote from pope Leo - although I would agree with the sentiment that all churches and organized religions are false.
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In scientific terms what is the formula for humanity to create a society based in free will?
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I believe Mankind has quite a few years left before we can achieve mathematical formulas regarding the creation of the Universe and all that is within.

However; speaking in terms of how this should work socially is really quite simple, as it should be.

This is largely based on an educated Mankind that all understand the principles of free will, the ideas of what is in their own individual best interests.

One man may like the idea of farming, this may seem strange to sum and that is only because everyone is different and enjoys different things, which is as it should be as each person is like a different part of God's well oiled creation. So again one man may enjoy the art of farming and so he farms much food, more so than he himself can eat before it spoils. Said farmer simply gives away what he does not need, he does not sell or trade but simply gives this away as it will spoil otherwise and then none would have it.

Whomever the farmer gives this food to will use it to prolong their own life and with that life perhaps they choose to make computer programs. Computer programs that perhaps make the farmers job easier the next year as he can spend less time keeping track of things on paper. This behooves not only the farmer but the whole community as now there will be even greater amounts of food. This computer programmer naturally gives his programs to the farmer, free of charge or trade because he knows that some day he will utilize the farmers food and even more so he will utilize the assistance of other people the farmer feeds.

The programmer may also create computer applications that help nearby engineers create or invent newer more efficient farming equipment to which they give to the farmer free of charge or trade because later they know they'll need the food and computer programs. The programmer gave the engineers his application free of charge or trade because he knew that whatever they created using the program would eventually go towards the betterment of someones chosen line of work or hobby that he may directly or indirectly utilize himself.

These engineers not created faster more efficient farming equipment but developed newer longer lasting batteries that could be used for a range of applications from solar panels to cell phones. Naturally they gave this technology away for free knowing that whoever utilized it would eventually use the technology to improve the daily life of someone that they would someday directly or indirectly need assistance from.

This is a short explanation but the list of examples could go on for miles I'm sure. The idea is that it does not matter who you help, if you help just one person with their life/work you indeed help all people directly or indirectly. It matters not how much one might think another's interests are lame or useless. If God has created someone that enjoys doing something there is a reason and a need for that. Tell someone that making video games is useless and you could be taking entertainment away from thousands, thousands that use that entertainment as a break from whatever daily tasks they tend to do, causing them to perform their enjoyed hobbies slower and perhaps less often.

As a side note the farmer leaves his farm open to any who wish to come pick food for themselves. He leaves a note asking people to leave at least two watermelons because he really likes them. He does not enforce this as it is not a rule, merely a request. People know that if they take too much of the farmers food he may starve to death and then next year there will be no food for them either and so they see it is in their own best interests to take only what they feel they need and leave enough for the farmer and anyone else who may be hungry.
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So is it "is" "are" or "was"


I mean you dont seem very confident if you know who we are.

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He doesn't kNow who We are! chuckle

We've just allowed him to think he kNows! stoned

Very interesting thoughts, though! I just wish they had something to do with the Illuminati and not just everyday average upperclass peeps! anon

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Very interesting and eye opening. So the illuminati plan on keeping us working till forever or what? Its a big universe out there or so it seems. Do they ever plan on getting us off this rock?
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You can get off this Rock any Time you want! Nothing's keeping you here, but yourself! chuckle

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So, are you saying that the illuminati were responsible for the Sumerian empire?
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Sorry OP, you're not there yet.

"Elites" are nothing but upper class slaves. They're not the masters of this world, merely puppets. You have to look beyond them to see the real enslavers, the hidden hand. And they are not human.


You're clearly trying to hide the obvious. No it's not the ones that look like they're enslaving you it's something else you can't see or define clearly...

Edit: Also no one is commenting on the Anti-Christ portion of this. I know many don't like that stuff but the upper class is a hum dinger for the AC, they're the exact opposite of the character described as Christ.


You're getting CLOSER... but not there YET.

It DOES have to do with spirituality, but not like you think.

Sorry to burst your spiritual bubble, and that of anyone else's, and I too was shocked to discover this as well, but it is the TRUTH:

"What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"
- Pope Leo X.

ALL RELIGIONS ARE TOOLS OF THE RULERS TO CONTROL THE MASSES.


There is no ONE specific person who will be an "anti-christ" that is just subterfuge to lead people on an endless goose chase while THEY work behind the scenes to create MORE CONTROL.

IF you go back in time and study history, ALL RULERS WERE GODS. As they died and were replaced by their progeny, their "legend" became the "story" of the "god."

There is ONE CHIEF ENTITY or Spirit if you will, who has reincarnated over and over and over ad infinitum from the beginning of time as the CHEIF RULER... and has split off spiritually into other "tribes" to be the King/Ruler... ALL WITH THE SAME AGENDA.

You can visibly see the manifestation of Evil on this planet by the actions taken by the RULING CLASS. You can see it ALL DOWN THROUGH HISTORY TO THE PRESENT DAY.

You CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION AT HAND WITHOUT LOOKING TO THE SUPERNATURAL and understanding THIS IS THE FOUNDATION OF THE SITUATION.

I"m not talking Religion here; I am talking PURE SPIRIT ENERGY. The essence of the question: WHO am I?? WHAT is MY CONSCIOUSNESS?? Science knows it is NOT the Brain. So WHAT is IT?? IT IS SPIRIT. WHERE did it COME FROM?? Is there ONLY ONE KIND OF SPIRIT???

Once you begin looking at the situation from this point of view, you begin to understand the nature of what is REALLY GOING ON.

It is for this VERY REASON that Religion was conceived to confuse and mislead the masses. It is for this very reason that Science attempts to tell us we are nothing MORE than organic organisms that "evolved" to the state of humankind today. THEY BOTH TAKE THE FOCUS OFF THE REAL QUESTIONS.



That quote comes from a play that was written where the character of the pope Leo said that line. This is not an actual quote from pope Leo - although I would agree with the sentiment that all churches and organized religions are false.
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I prefer not to make broad generalizations, at any rate what I am proposing is not an 'organized' religion.

Do what you want is not exactly like any 'organized' religion I know of. If you see my post about how a free will society where nothing is bought or sold you can see how things workout without money or trade. Also there would be no church or places of worship. Doing your own will is how you worship God in my opinion because your will is his will.
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Question;

What's the end game?
Where are they going with us?
Do they have alien rulers? I mean, they've been around since the beginning - wouldn't they have to?


End Game is just the end of the current game...the end of the Roman empire was the end of that game, the end of the way things are today is the end of this game and the start of another. This one seems a bit bigger, but they get bigger and smaller all the time. This time they shift the red/blue powers, they shift the middle east powers, and they shift the race powers(been hearing about race wars coming up) This time they're calling it a Pole Shift.

They're going back to the same place they came from, things might look a bit different, boarders will be redrawn but ultimately the aristocracy will be in power and the rest of us will still hate eachother (Divide and conquer the pleebs are divided against eachother and the rich conquer)

They do not have 'alien' rulers like you might think. They often refer to themselves as aliens because they truly believe they are a greater race of beings, not human like us but smarter and stronger and better(not true of course but they think so, really just like Hitler) They didn't need aliens to help them conquer us, they conquered us eons ago when we thought the 10 square mile pond we lived near was the whole world, it was like taking candy from a baby. Originally they were shaman types and magicians. They wowed people by throwing clay rocks into lakes and turning them a bit red, they did this up stream so people couldn't see them. The slaves thought this was magic and worshiped them as Gods. They pull the same tricks today, I know how UFO's fly and I'll post that in a bit, it's incredibly simple you're gonna kick yourself for not figuring it out.
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You really are clueless! crazy

We are ALL aliens! chuckle Not a single race on the planet originated here!

Ever watch the movie Contact? hmm Where He told her "This is the way it's always been done."? Did you ever watch the movie The Village? Well, that's how it IS done except on a planetary scale, not just ONE village. chuckle And the ONES involved, are the Illuminati and they work directly for God, you fool! groucho

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So, are you saying that the illuminati were responsible for the Sumerian empire?
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Yes or No...were the illuminati responsible for the establishment and management of the Sumerian Empire?
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So, are you saying that the illuminati were responsible for the Sumerian empire?
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I would imagine the people responsible for that either evolved into what you consider the illuminati or were conquered by a people that later evolved into what you consider the illuminati. Either way the ideas the masses live their life by today are extremely dated.

It might also be good to note that ultimately it's not the people who wield power that traveled from sumeria to today but their ideas of how life should be lived, which is in bondage.
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In scientific terms what is the formula for humanity to create a society based in free will?


Here's your answer, although it's probably not the answer you are looking for...

[link to www.lionofjeshurun.com]



Trollin' hard.


I went to your link... saw Deuteronomy and closed the window. I figure that if a god is really that concerned with the actions of his children.. he will let them know, personally. I refuse to take someone elses world (bible) as truth as it relates to MY eternal soul.. and it feels good. I am responsible for myself..

I don't know if it is correct, but I know it feels right.
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Try to get past your knee jerk reactions from the lies of the world...

YES; about 90% of the BIBLE is complete and utter LIES.

It has been corrupted since the beginning. But for those who earnestly seek with the HEART you will find the TRUTH buried within...

Remember: In order for a counterfeit to pass as the original, it MUSThave some elements of TRUTH relating to the original...

I am not trolling...

I am only trying to get the word out about the TRUTH, about WHO the "masters" REALLY ARE, and WHAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.

If you want to keep going the way that humankind has been going, then by all means, ignore the references.

BUT... if you want to stop the death and destruction, then try reading it... read some of the other posts, about the various ways that evil has manifested itself through the ruling class and how it has been disguised to look like truth down through history...

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