So you want to know who the 'Illuminati' is or are...was

Is Reza Pahlavi the leader of the illuminati or is he just a member?



Adam Weishaupt officially stated that Jesus is the Head of the Illuminati Order,

so there !

You are God and God created you and your brain, think about it and you are praying to God, you are asking God.



Aaahhh... I see OP that you have bought into the "new age" "eastern mindset" of believing the MAIN LIE OF THE SERPENT namely that you or something else IS GOD.

THERE IS ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY GOD.

And it is NOT YOU.

DID YOU CREATE YOURSELF?????

That is what you are saying in your quote!

Your brain IS NOT YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS. It is your "CPU."

You are sadly mislead... There IS A CREATOR, Almighty God, who is NOT the God of War, of Death, of Famine, of Pestilence, of Anger, of Blood Sacrifice, of Fear, of Control.

And by thinking that you are HE, you are breaking HIS ONE AND ONLY LAW.

If you want to really understand what is going on in the world today and all down through history, visit this website which spells it out as plainly as can possibly be: [link to www.lionofjeshurun.com]



wrong. You need to go to a bible thread...


Your comments only show how little you know and how badly you've been BRAINWASHED.

Don't you KNOW that RELIGIOUS RITUAL is PART AND PARCEL of what the Ruling Class have done all throughout HISTORY?

WHY IS IT that EVERY head of state that is part of the NWO is ALSO A KNIGHT OF MALTA, AND PLEDGED TO THE VATICAN?????

Is Reza Pahlavi the leader of the illuminati or is he just a member?

So its all the devils fault?
Yes its all the devils fault
So where do i find the devil so i can kill him?
Ok first you have to invade the whole world to look for him
Then what do i do now,i rule the whole world?
Ok then you have found the devil
But how can i be sure i have found him?
You just made him, you are the devil now
Damm i really wish i diden't chased that guy to start with
But who are you then if im the devil now?
I am the one that is free from the devil.
You're it!!

Is Reza Pahlavi the leader of the illuminati or is he just a member?


I really don't know. I didn't mean that I would be naming names but that I would out their origins and how they can be defeated. In actuality if the illuminati are to be considered slave masters than all humans are illuminati because we all seek control over others in one way or another, as previously stated. To love someone is to allow them freedom, or rather to not attempt to take it away. It matters not if Reza Pahlavi is the head of some organization. You and your individual life matters. How you govern your individual life matters.

Is Reza Pahlavi the leader of the illuminati or is he just a member?


I really don't know. I didn't mean that I would be naming names but that I would out their origins and how they can be defeated. In actuality if the illuminati are to be considered slave masters than all humans are illuminati because we all seek control over others in one way or another, as previously stated. To love someone is to allow them freedom, or rather to not attempt to take it away. It matters not if Reza Pahlavi is the head of some organization. You and your individual life matters. How you govern your individual life matters.

The top does not kill themselves...the bottom does.

The top then hires the survivors.

The skeletal remains of the previous iterations litter the surface of the planet.

You have to be devout to ignore 1000's of years of direct evidence.

The Universe is perfectly fair...everyone and everything gets what they and it deserve and there is no hope.

Ultimately ignorance of Truth is the root of all evil in teh affairs of humanity.

Your awareness of the Universe does not exist withing the Universe...your physical body is just an anchor for your perspective.

Since your awareness does not exist within the universe...its is not constrained.

It's why what you plan most times does not turn out like you imagined.

Because you do not account for the Universe as it is...you account for the Universe like you think it is or desire it to be.

I'm sorry to say but Truth does not depend upon human beings for existence.

There is no way to obtain salvation from Truth.

There is no way to not see what a bunch of selfish inconsiderate monsters we all are except by rejecting Truth.

There is no way to candy coat Truth.

You can lie to yourselves and others all you like.

Lies only provide a temporary prosperity.

Billions below you in the hierarchy support your position.

Millions die every year slaving to supply the power to sustain the servers these wastes of life are hosted on that liars use to promote their cherished delusions of light.

You don't come here seeking Truth...You come here seeking support for or to promote your cherished delusions.

Is Reza Pahlavi the leader of the illuminati or is he just a member?


I really don't know. I didn't mean that I would be naming names but that I would out their origins and how they can be defeated. In actuality if the illuminati are to be considered slave masters than all humans are illuminati because we all seek control over others in one way or another, as previously stated. To love someone is to allow them freedom, or rather to not attempt to take it away. It matters not if Reza Pahlavi is the head of some organization. You and your individual life matters. How you govern your individual life matters.



But doesn't someone have to die or at least spend the rest of their lives in Prison for what is happening on this planet?

What the fuck..you basically are saying that I should elevate and evolve or some crazy thing so that I will lose any notion of justice or law enforcement for the victims of their crimes.

If the illuminati have interfered in at least 1 life...should the whole group be destroyed?

I hate the illuminati...so its cool for me punish them mercilessly until the stars burn from the sky, correct?

Do the illuminati actually believe that their beliefs are something I should give a shit about? Why is this?

What if my pleasure of life comes from punishing the wicked? What if I experience God in this manner?

Is it then okay to be an unapologetic killer?

I'll add a bit more. First off, guess who owns all the publication firms, upper class...TV stations, upper class, internet service providers, upper class...Take a look at your government:
Nancy Pelosi - upper class
Al Gore - upper class
Barak Obama - upper class
G Dubya - upper class
G Dub senior - upper class

What about your celebrities:
Mel Gibson - upper class
Jonny Depp - upper class
George Lucas - upper class
the list goes on obviously

Here's a good one for ya. Doesn't this all sound a bit like perhaps the ANTI-CHRIST!!! It's really quite obvious, anti meaning antithesis meaning opposite, the old AC is the opposite of Christ. Take a look

Christ was poor, upper class is rich
Christ was humble, upper class boastful and greedy
Christ was loving, upper class spreads hate and fear
Christ was peaceful, upper class spreads war and words of war

Come on people am I getting through to anyone yet!?!?!?

Even more, if there is an Anti-Christ what does that mean...You guessed it THERE IS A GOD too, good thing he gave us a description of AC for me to post here. Even better I know exactly who this God fella is...I'll post that a bit later though, don't wanna blow your minds to terribly much just yet, lets just let this current information seep in a bit and then we'll get to the really good stuff.

-Adam

The top does not kill themselves...the bottom does.

The top then hires the survivors.

The skeletal remains of the previous iterations litter the surface of the planet.

You have to be devout to ignore 1000's of years of direct evidence.

The Universe is perfectly fair...everyone and everything gets what they and it deserve and there is no hope.

Ultimately ignorance of Truth is the root of all evil in teh affairs of humanity.

Your awareness of the Universe does not exist withing the Universe...your physical body is just an anchor for your perspective.

Since your awareness does not exist within the universe...its is not constrained.

It's why what you plan most times does not turn out like you imagined.

Because you do not account for the Universe as it is...you account for the Universe like you think it is or desire it to be.

I'm sorry to say but Truth does not depend upon human beings for existence.

There is no way to obtain salvation from Truth.

There is no way to not see what a bunch of selfish inconsiderate monsters we all are except by rejecting Truth.

There is no way to candy coat Truth.

You can lie to yourselves and others all you like.

Lies only provide a temporary prosperity.

Billions below you in the hierarchy support your position.

Millions die every year slaving to supply the power to sustain the servers these wastes of life are hosted on that liars use to promote their cherished delusions of light.

You don't come here seeking Truth...You come here seeking support for or to promote your cherished delusions.

Is Reza Pahlavi the leader of the illuminati or is he just a member?


I really don't know. I didn't mean that I would be naming names but that I would out their origins and how they can be defeated. In actuality if the illuminati are to be considered slave masters than all humans are illuminati because we all seek control over others in one way or another, as previously stated. To love someone is to allow them freedom, or rather to not attempt to take it away. It matters not if Reza Pahlavi is the head of some organization. You and your individual life matters. How you govern your individual life matters.



But doesn't someone have to die or at least spend the rest of their lives in Prison for what is happening on this planet?

What the fuck..you basically are saying that I should elevate and evolve or some crazy thing so that I will lose any notion of justice or law enforcement for the victims of their crimes.

If the illuminati have interfered in at least 1 life...should the whole group be destroyed?

I hate the illuminati...so its cool for me punish them mercilessly until the stars burn from the sky, correct?

Do the illuminati actually believe that their beliefs are something I should give a shit about? Why is this?

What if my pleasure of life comes from punishing the wicked? What if I experience God in this manner?

Is it then okay to be an unapologetic killer?


The life we live today and for all days prior have been a prison for all of us including any who claim power or control. This is the punishment we have all suffered already why need there be any more. I've stated before I believe that those at the top of the pyramid are just as much slaves as their slaves. They are slaves to their rituals and to their constant need to enforce their secrecy and laws. Further more if we declare peace or truce perhaps those at the top of the pyramid will not be so unwilling to come down due to the fear of retribution.

I for one would much rather live free without having enforced retribution than live the rest of my life in bondage because those in power were too afraid to relinquish it because I said if they did I'd bring them harm.

Why do the illuminati believe that the meaning of life is abstract and subjective and given to endless debate?

Is Reza Pahlavi the leader of the illuminati or is he just a member?


I really don't know. I didn't mean that I would be naming names but that I would out their origins and how they can be defeated. In actuality if the illuminati are to be considered slave masters than all humans are illuminati because we all seek control over others in one way or another, as previously stated. To love someone is to allow them freedom, or rather to not attempt to take it away. It matters not if Reza Pahlavi is the head of some organization. You and your individual life matters. How you govern your individual life matters.



But doesn't someone have to die or at least spend the rest of their lives in Prison for what is happening on this planet?

What the fuck..you basically are saying that I should elevate and evolve or some crazy thing so that I will lose any notion of justice or law enforcement for the victims of their crimes.

If the illuminati have interfered in at least 1 life...should the whole group be destroyed?

I hate the illuminati...so its cool for me punish them mercilessly until the stars burn from the sky, correct?

Do the illuminati actually believe that their beliefs are something I should give a shit about? Why is this?

What if my pleasure of life comes from punishing the wicked? What if I experience God in this manner?

Is it then okay to be an unapologetic killer?


The life we live today and for all days prior have been a prison for all of us including any who claim power or control. This is the punishment we have all suffered already why need there be any more. I've stated before I believe that those at the top of the pyramid are just as much slaves as their slaves. They are slaves to their rituals and to their constant need to enforce their secrecy and laws. Further more if we declare peace or truce perhaps those at the top of the pyramid will not be so unwilling to come down due to the fear of retribution.

I for one would much rather live free without having enforced retribution than live the rest of my life in bondage because those in power were too afraid to relinquish it because I said if they did I'd bring them harm.



So...the illuminati won't surrender until they receive assurances from the REAL law enforcers that they won't be treated in a manner similiar to how they treated their victims?

Fuck that...I prefer War.

Why do the illuminati believe that the meaning of life is abstract and subjective and given to endless debate?


I certainly couldn't say why the illuminati believe such things. And even if they are despised on this forum I'm not afraid to admit that I agree, though it could be for different reasons.

I believe every individual is completely different than any other individual, though some may seem similar. So each individual living their own life under their own ideas would be quite different than anyone else's idea of how to govern their own lives. Abstract I feel expresses a sense of differentiation, sort of an 'out of the box' type style it's different from how we might perceive reality and each persons life or reality is different from the next. Subjective more obviously showing that again each life is subject to it's own individual government or style. Endless debate because the whole of life and everything in it, everything experienced is in fact a learning experience. Every moment a brand new piece of knowledge to add to ones ever growing library. With debate different individuals can come to a greater understanding of the knowledge they have. The active exchange of knowledge from one individual to the next increases the growth rate of each individuals knowledge. One can learn the knowledge of two lifetimes in just one if they discuss often with another. One can learn many lifetimes worth of knowledge if they discuss with many. Also as each person is different two or more individuals can come to a greater understanding of a single piece of knowledge because they are likely to have two or more different perspectives on it.

Is Reza Pahlavi the leader of the illuminati or is he just a member?


I really don't know. I didn't mean that I would be naming names but that I would out their origins and how they can be defeated. In actuality if the illuminati are to be considered slave masters than all humans are illuminati because we all seek control over others in one way or another, as previously stated. To love someone is to allow them freedom, or rather to not attempt to take it away. It matters not if Reza Pahlavi is the head of some organization. You and your individual life matters. How you govern your individual life matters.



But doesn't someone have to die or at least spend the rest of their lives in Prison for what is happening on this planet?

What the fuck..you basically are saying that I should elevate and evolve or some crazy thing so that I will lose any notion of justice or law enforcement for the victims of their crimes.

If the illuminati have interfered in at least 1 life...should the whole group be destroyed?

I hate the illuminati...so its cool for me punish them mercilessly until the stars burn from the sky, correct?

Do the illuminati actually believe that their beliefs are something I should give a shit about? Why is this?

What if my pleasure of life comes from punishing the wicked? What if I experience God in this manner?

Is it then okay to be an unapologetic killer?


The life we live today and for all days prior have been a prison for all of us including any who claim power or control. This is the punishment we have all suffered already why need there be any more. I've stated before I believe that those at the top of the pyramid are just as much slaves as their slaves. They are slaves to their rituals and to their constant need to enforce their secrecy and laws. Further more if we declare peace or truce perhaps those at the top of the pyramid will not be so unwilling to come down due to the fear of retribution.

I for one would much rather live free without having enforced retribution than live the rest of my life in bondage because those in power were too afraid to relinquish it because I said if they did I'd bring them harm.



So...the illuminati won't surrender until they receive assurances from the REAL law enforcers that they won't be treated in a manner similiar to how they treated their victims?

Fuck that...I prefer War.


Like I said if you take the route of war you only become the same the enemy you seek to defeat. They have not truly deceived us as we deceived ourselves. The lower classes put the upper classes into power and begged to be enslaved. If anyone from the lower class were given the opportunity to be an upper class member they'd have taken it and committed the very same wrongs. Even still a lower class member commits the very same evils if only on a smaller scale. Do we not see the violence in many areas, people hate and murder each other. It is not merely because the upper classes provoked it, indeed they may have directed it, but if they hadn't it still would happen only differently. People do not wish to see any shortcomings in their own lives, fault is always blamed upon someone else and that sentiment would be there with or without the current upper class. The upper class is again the result of a way of life, a way of lies. They're simply better liars, but many lie.

Question;

What's the end game?
Where are they going with us?
Do they have alien rulers? I mean, they've been around since the beginning - wouldn't they have to?

Why do the illuminati believe that the meaning of life is abstract and subjective and given to endless debate?


I certainly couldn't say why the illuminati believe such things. And even if they are despised on this forum I'm not afraid to admit that I agree, though it could be for different reasons.

I believe every individual is completely different than any other individual, though some may seem similar. So each individual living their own life under their own ideas would be quite different than anyone else's idea of how to govern their own lives. Abstract I feel expresses a sense of differentiation, sort of an 'out of the box' type style it's different from how we might perceive reality and each persons life or reality is different from the next. Subjective more obviously showing that again each life is subject to it's own individual government or style. Endless debate because the whole of life and everything in it, everything experienced is in fact a learning experience. Every moment a brand new piece of knowledge to add to ones ever growing library. With debate different individuals can come to a greater understanding of the knowledge they have. The active exchange of knowledge from one individual to the next increases the growth rate of each individuals knowledge. One can learn the knowledge of two lifetimes in just one if they discuss often with another. One can learn many lifetimes worth of knowledge if they discuss with many. Also as each person is different two or more individuals can come to a greater understanding of a single piece of knowledge because they are likely to have two or more different perspectives on it.


While I agree with most of this...this illuminati seems to be unwilling to learn all of its own lessons and has plunged the world into war for no other reason than to avoid the logical conclusion of their own existence, which happens to be their destruction.

If these people are responsible for all the empires you mentioned, then they are solely responsible for the whole of human suffering for the past 6000 years.

Why do the illuminati fear learning the very lessons they try to teach? Do they believe that they are exempt?

Why?

Why do the illuminati believe that the meaning of life is abstract and subjective and given to endless debate?


I certainly couldn't say why the illuminati believe such things. And even if they are despised on this forum I'm not afraid to admit that I agree, though it could be for different reasons.

I believe every individual is completely different than any other individual, though some may seem similar. So each individual living their own life under their own ideas would be quite different than anyone else's idea of how to govern their own lives. Abstract I feel expresses a sense of differentiation, sort of an 'out of the box' type style it's different from how we might perceive reality and each persons life or reality is different from the next. Subjective more obviously showing that again each life is subject to it's own individual government or style. Endless debate because the whole of life and everything in it, everything experienced is in fact a learning experience. Every moment a brand new piece of knowledge to add to ones ever growing library. With debate different individuals can come to a greater understanding of the knowledge they have. The active exchange of knowledge from one individual to the next increases the growth rate of each individuals knowledge. One can learn the knowledge of two lifetimes in just one if they discuss often with another. One can learn many lifetimes worth of knowledge if they discuss with many. Also as each person is different two or more individuals can come to a greater understanding of a single piece of knowledge because they are likely to have two or more different perspectives on it.


While I agree with most of this...this illuminati seems to be unwilling to learn all of its own lessons and has plunged the world into war for no other reason than to avoid the logical conclusion of their own existence, which happens to be their destruction.

If these people are responsible for all the empires you mentioned, then they are solely responsible for the whole of human suffering for the past 6000 years.

Why do the illuminati fear learning the very lessons they try to teach? Do they believe that they are exempt?

Why?

Why do the illuminati believe that the meaning of life is abstract and subjective and given to endless debate?


I certainly couldn't say why the illuminati believe such things. And even if they are despised on this forum I'm not afraid to admit that I agree, though it could be for different reasons.

I believe every individual is completely different than any other individual, though some may seem similar. So each individual living their own life under their own ideas would be quite different than anyone else's idea of how to govern their own lives. Abstract I feel expresses a sense of differentiation, sort of an 'out of the box' type style it's different from how we might perceive reality and each persons life or reality is different from the next. Subjective more obviously showing that again each life is subject to it's own individual government or style. Endless debate because the whole of life and everything in it, everything experienced is in fact a learning experience. Every moment a brand new piece of knowledge to add to ones ever growing library. With debate different individuals can come to a greater understanding of the knowledge they have. The active exchange of knowledge from one individual to the next increases the growth rate of each individuals knowledge. One can learn the knowledge of two lifetimes in just one if they discuss often with another. One can learn many lifetimes worth of knowledge if they discuss with many. Also as each person is different two or more individuals can come to a greater understanding of a single piece of knowledge because they are likely to have two or more different perspectives on it.

Is Reza Pahlavi the leader of the illuminati or is he just a member?


I really don't know. I didn't mean that I would be naming names but that I would out their origins and how they can be defeated. In actuality if the illuminati are to be considered slave masters than all humans are illuminati because we all seek control over others in one way or another, as previously stated. To love someone is to allow them freedom, or rather to not attempt to take it away. It matters not if Reza Pahlavi is the head of some organization. You and your individual life matters. How you govern your individual life matters.



But doesn't someone have to die or at least spend the rest of their lives in Prison for what is happening on this planet?

What the fuck..you basically are saying that I should elevate and evolve or some crazy thing so that I will lose any notion of justice or law enforcement for the victims of their crimes.

If the illuminati have interfered in at least 1 life...should the whole group be destroyed?

I hate the illuminati...so its cool for me punish them mercilessly until the stars burn from the sky, correct?

Do the illuminati actually believe that their beliefs are something I should give a shit about? Why is this?

What if my pleasure of life comes from punishing the wicked? What if I experience God in this manner?

Is it then okay to be an unapologetic killer?


The life we live today and for all days prior have been a prison for all of us including any who claim power or control. This is the punishment we have all suffered already why need there be any more. I've stated before I believe that those at the top of the pyramid are just as much slaves as their slaves. They are slaves to their rituals and to their constant need to enforce their secrecy and laws. Further more if we declare peace or truce perhaps those at the top of the pyramid will not be so unwilling to come down due to the fear of retribution.

I for one would much rather live free without having enforced retribution than live the rest of my life in bondage because those in power were too afraid to relinquish it because I said if they did I'd bring them harm.



So...the illuminati won't surrender until they receive assurances from the REAL law enforcers that they won't be treated in a manner similiar to how they treated their victims?

Fuck that...I prefer War.


Like I said if you take the route of war you only become the same the enemy you seek to defeat. They have not truly deceived us as we deceived ourselves. The lower classes put the upper classes into power and begged to be enslaved. If anyone from the lower class were given the opportunity to be an upper class member they'd have taken it and committed the very same wrongs. Even still a lower class member commits the very same evils if only on a smaller scale. Do we not see the violence in many areas, people hate and murder each other. It is not merely because the upper classes provoked it, indeed they may have directed it, but if they hadn't it still would happen only differently. People do not wish to see any shortcomings in their own lives, fault is always blamed upon someone else and that sentiment would be there with or without the current upper class. The upper class is again the result of a way of life, a way of lies. They're simply better liars, but many lie.



I suppose you think you know what I mean when I say War. What if what you call and demonstrate as War is different from what I call and will demonstrate as War? Guess what..it is.

Illuminati enjoy debating abstract concepts, do they not? Let's debate what is war and how wars are fought.

Don't even worry...when the illuminati are destroyed...it will be by their own hand and actions and none else.

Why do the illuminati believe that the meaning of life is abstract and subjective and given to endless debate?


I certainly couldn't say why the illuminati believe such things. And even if they are despised on this forum I'm not afraid to admit that I agree, though it could be for different reasons.

I believe every individual is completely different than any other individual, though some may seem similar. So each individual living their own life under their own ideas would be quite different than anyone else's idea of how to govern their own lives. Abstract I feel expresses a sense of differentiation, sort of an 'out of the box' type style it's different from how we might perceive reality and each persons life or reality is different from the next. Subjective more obviously showing that again each life is subject to it's own individual government or style. Endless debate because the whole of life and everything in it, everything experienced is in fact a learning experience. Every moment a brand new piece of knowledge to add to ones ever growing library. With debate different individuals can come to a greater understanding of the knowledge they have. The active exchange of knowledge from one individual to the next increases the growth rate of each individuals knowledge. One can learn the knowledge of two lifetimes in just one if they discuss often with another. One can learn many lifetimes worth of knowledge if they discuss with many. Also as each person is different two or more individuals can come to a greater understanding of a single piece of knowledge because they are likely to have two or more different perspectives on it.


While I agree with most of this...this illuminati seems to be unwilling to learn all of its own lessons and has plunged the world into war for no other reason than to avoid the logical conclusion of their own existence, which happens to be their destruction.

If these people are responsible for all the empires you mentioned, then they are solely responsible for the whole of human suffering for the past 6000 years.

Why do the illuminati fear learning the very lessons they try to teach? Do they believe that they are exempt?

Why?


Perhaps my original post was a bit misleading. The ruling classes as they exist today merely inherited their wealth, knowledge and power from their ancestors, they are no more guilty of enslaving sumerians than the british armies of today guilty of destroying frances army at the battle of waterloo. Whatever evils they commit are done so in their current lives. I must admit that I am under the impression that if the people who ruled those ancient societies did not do so than someone else would have. Those styles of rule are like a natural part of growing up, like the terrible twos for a human baby.

As to your first statement I believe any creature of any kind that had the capability to avoid it's own destruction did so try. I also feel that this ruling class most likely fears the masses. Even if they wanted to tell everyone the truth and give up their power they couldn't for they would be mercilessly slaughtered. The current ruling class was born into it like many before, they did not ask to be born to these parents.

I believe in forgiveness. As I have stated before we and they have been receiving our punishments for what we have done on a daily basis since the beginning. They are slaves, and experience fear. You want to believe they are laughing at you, perhaps they are not, perhaps they are well aware that this is just the way things ended up and neither we nor they asked for it.

Ask any questions you like I and I will do my best to answer them.

I'll start from the top. All those ancient empires you've heard of, you know sumeria, babylon, egypt, rome, yadda yadda... They never actually fell. You see whenever an empire reaches a certain size it becomes too unstable to maintain control over it's slaves. This should be obvious as empires of the old days grew by conquest and as you can imagine the slaves that were obtained in such a manner were not too terribly happy about being conquered. In order to maintain control the empire had to transform into something else and better yet the slaves had to think it was their idea. Every time an empire 'fell' there were a few leaders there ready to lead the revolution. These leaders were in fact agents of the falling empires rulers, usually or rather always the upper class, note we still have an upper class today surprise surprise. This was easy to predict, it's called market research today. A ruling class generally conducts 'market research' in order to gather information about public sentiment. Normally this is used to keep the slaves pacified by passing laws and whatnot that slaves might think they want. More importantly one could look at this research and say in one year 5% of a slave population is unruly and would revolt if such a movement gained momentum. The next year one could say 10% of the slave population is unruly and ready for revolution and the next year 15%. One could then say at the current rate of growth the slave population will be ready to rebel against it's government within say 10 years. In this case the ruling class trains and puts in place their own loyal followers as secret agents to lead said revolution, then they start the revolution early by disseminating their own disinformation leading the slaves to become upset and unruly over specific types of laws and policy. These hand picked charismatic agents then lead the revolution and naturally become the leaders of whatever new nation is founded 'by the slaves.' Presto chango the slaves are no longer upset about being part of a nation that conquered them because they are now part of a nation they created themselves yay. Naturally the new leaders slowly but surely lead the slaves back into the very same bondage they thought they just conquered.

This has happened many times throughout history, sumeria, babylon, egypt, rome, numerous dark age type kingdoms. French revolution, not, American revolution, yeah you wish. Anyone else notice how America is an absolute mirror image of aristocracy ruled Rome, albeit with newer technology. Obviously as technology grew so did the means by which to quell the masses so empires can grow fairly large these days.

Things are slightly different now since all the land on Earth has been conquered, but things still need to be shuffled around from time to time. In order for the slaves to need a government they need an enemy for their government to protect them from. This comes from numerous angles, capitalists have their communists, jewish have their muslims, africans have their whites, environmentalists have their oil and so on and so forth. This is why government is referred to as big brother, like your big brother you run to them for protection.

Back to the shuffling part. Even though technology has grown the slaves still become upset about the ever increasing amount of laws, crooked cops and politicians eventually. This is where the old switcheroo takes place, one 'entity' generally starts before another. What I mean is TPTB, AKA the aristocracy, AKA the upper class switch the communist/capitalist balance of power, even positioning if need be. This is not limited to reds v blues but also religious power balance, race power balance. Notice how America is becoming ever more communist while at the same time Russia and China are becoming ever more capitalist? Yeah not the first time this type of thing has happened, you're just not old enough to remember and it's not aptly covered in the history books which are written by companies owned by, you guessed it, the upper class.

The upper class of today is, as you can imagine, only so vastly wealthy because they inherited their wealth and power from their ancestors, which date back to your ancient empires. They also inherited a wealth of knowledge, like how to fool slaves and whatnot.

Ever think about how exactly it is that the upper class own so much. Think about how one owns something, because they buy it from another. Well where did that person get it from, they bought it from someone and so on and so forth. Skip a few and head back to the beginning. How did someone own land that wasn't owned. Simple the just said it was theirs and that was that, later it was handed down and or sold several thousand times until today. Back to that beginning part. How did they own it again...Exactly they simply pissed on a tree and called it theirs, like a dog. They didn't build the land, they didn't put the land their, they put no effort into it whatsoever. In fact they stole the land because it was never actually theirs to begin with. Even today all the land that is owned by banks or real estate establishments. These establishments, or rather people that own these establishments, have never even seen the land, never set foot on it yet it is theres. The land is not being used by anyone for anything, it just sits there doing absolutely nothing, but you can't have it unless you pay for it.

How do you pay for it, well you obtain money. How do you obtain money, by working for the upper class.

There is more.

-Adam

Why do the illuminati believe that the meaning of life is abstract and subjective and given to endless debate?


I certainly couldn't say why the illuminati believe such things. And even if they are despised on this forum I'm not afraid to admit that I agree, though it could be for different reasons.

I believe every individual is completely different than any other individual, though some may seem similar. So each individual living their own life under their own ideas would be quite different than anyone else's idea of how to govern their own lives. Abstract I feel expresses a sense of differentiation, sort of an 'out of the box' type style it's different from how we might perceive reality and each persons life or reality is different from the next. Subjective more obviously showing that again each life is subject to it's own individual government or style. Endless debate because the whole of life and everything in it, everything experienced is in fact a learning experience. Every moment a brand new piece of knowledge to add to ones ever growing library. With debate different individuals can come to a greater understanding of the knowledge they have. The active exchange of knowledge from one individual to the next increases the growth rate of each individuals knowledge. One can learn the knowledge of two lifetimes in just one if they discuss often with another. One can learn many lifetimes worth of knowledge if they discuss with many. Also as each person is different two or more individuals can come to a greater understanding of a single piece of knowledge because they are likely to have two or more different perspectives on it.


While I agree with most of this...this illuminati seems to be unwilling to learn all of its own lessons and has plunged the world into war for no other reason than to avoid the logical conclusion of their own existence, which happens to be their destruction.

If these people are responsible for all the empires you mentioned, then they are solely responsible for the whole of human suffering for the past 6000 years.

Why do the illuminati fear learning the very lessons they try to teach? Do they believe that they are exempt?

Why?


Perhaps my original post was a bit misleading. The ruling classes as they exist today merely inherited their wealth, knowledge and power from their ancestors, they are no more guilty of enslaving sumerians than the british armies of today guilty of destroying frances army at the battle of waterloo. Whatever evils they commit are done so in their current lives. I must admit that I am under the impression that if the people who ruled those ancient societies did not do so than someone else would have. Those styles of rule are like a natural part of growing up, like the terrible twos for a human baby.

As to your first statement I believe any creature of any kind that had the capability to avoid it's own destruction did so try. I also feel that this ruling class most likely fears the masses. Even if they wanted to tell everyone the truth and give up their power they couldn't for they would be mercilessly slaughtered. The current ruling class was born into it like many before, they did not ask to be born to these parents.

I believe in forgiveness. As I have stated before we and they have been receiving our punishments for what we have done on a daily basis since the beginning. They are slaves, and experience fear. You want to believe they are laughing at you, perhaps they are not, perhaps they are well aware that this is just the way things ended up and neither we nor they asked for it.



They shouldn't worry then...they will only be judged by the laws of nations and for the crimes that they actually committed. That's the guarantee given to them by our Constitution at least...the only law that matters as far as I can see. If they inherited stolen property and it is not returned, then it seems that they are just as guilty as their ancestors.

I am sorry you believe that if they had not done what they did that someone else would have...sounds like a lie to me. But I am certain that the same people that created the Sumerian by destroying the Ubaid are the same people that launched this most recent war and are following a formula exactly as passed down through time to them.

I know well the way of the illuminati...they are the ones that convince the child to murder the parent for power for the wife to lure the husband into the trappers snare.

Gain acquired in this way can never go unpunished...but the illuminati are lucky...they'll be judged within the framework of well established laws with codified sentences...their victims were given no such treatment and were brutally slaughtered and buried in the darkness.