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RIOTING HAS BEGUN IN OAKLAND CALIFORNIA - FIRES BEING SET IN THE STREETS - BANK NOW BEING LOOTED!@@ - EXPLOSIONS HEARD!

 
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i would loot. the corporations of america have enough money.
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Riot??

Oh shit, was I supposed to riot tonight? Did I miss it?

Oh, wait. I'm white.

Whites don't riot. Nevermind.



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During the mid-90's there were a series of small "Deadhead Riots" peaking with a large scale riot at the Deer Creek Music Center near Indianapolis in July 1995. The riot was triggered by several gatecrashing incidents and resulted in the fence at the venue being torn down by rioting Deadheads and subsequently the cancellation of the next day's show. The riot received national attention and is immortalized by Keller Williams in his song "Gatecrashers Suck" in which he calls the rioters "cock sucking motherfuckers."[15]


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So police can shoot to kill, while you are handcuffed, and it's ok.

Sheeple need to know how to be controlled.
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There was a designated riot area. End of story.




End of story? Okay, you took the blue pill. Have fun with that. I'm going to live in the real world.



They used the blue one for sure! LOL Just to clarify for the previous poster....there was a designated PROTEST area, not "designated riot area."


Well that is the question, isnt it? Definitely an interesting proposition...



Interesting, but not exactly true. To an extent... Kind of. Gosh, I'm getting tired.

The police aren't pushing things because their funding may be cut soon, they are hoping that it isn't because of this, so they are holding off some. But they are not allowing this to happen in the full extent. This is an expression of rage. People are pissed. They don't know what else to do. And really, their only other option is to attack the cops. So, they are letting them do this,, kind of.

Because they also cover their tails first and foremost. They are tired. They don't have a great command structure. Their funding is low, they are demoralized and a lot of the citizens they are to "protect" hate them. They don't really give a rats but if stores are looted. Insurance will cover that. SO they are doing a little management. They don't want things to get out of control, but they don't want to get hurt, and they don't want to inflame things. Plus, riots are unpredictable. Group think is interesting stuff.. I've felt it. You almost loose complete control of yourself. The group becomes one. They have to have extremely overwhelming numbers to go into a situation like that, or they might be killed. It's intense stuff when you aren't watching it on your computer. Those helmets and shields don't mean squat on the street. I've charged a hundred horse mounted cops in a group before. The group mind is a amazing thing. Plus, they don't want to extenuate the circumstances by getting caught hurting someone else. So they have their kid gloves on. Oh, it's so complicated. But this is one area I do know well. And they are not allowing people to loot because they want it to happen. It's much more complicated than that.

protest


Yes I can feel your experience. Mine is one where the cops went home and hid. And it was therefore a party. But still, in NAmerica, ie the developed world, the tactics are getting amazingly sophisticated anticipating and preparing for all sorts of things, even what "USED TO BE" the unpredictability of a riot. Just guessing here, since yes I have been observing these what appear to be more and more managed events. Esp when I see masses of paramilitary uniforms gather. Obviously a plan is being implemented when you see that kind of organization...


That I can agree with. But this isn't organized by them. It's the media and the response that is. They push and prod yes. Oh, I should shut up on theory right now. I'm too tired. I think we agree to an extent. But this isn't what they want to happen. And those are mostly Oaklanders on the street. And the "outsiders" still live in the bay area. If I was under attack, I would want people from round rock to help me. The basis of what I was commenting on was entirely bs. They didn't want a riot. But they obviously didn't go full bore against it. I'll leave it at that for now. Hopefully I will be able to provide more insightful commentary tomorrow. I've enjoyed the discourse nonetheless.


it's about my zzzz time....


Anyway, I am not looking for a pissing match. Just some of my insights mixed with yours. I still say the cops are no dummys. They have a plan, and mixed with bureaucracy they will methodically implement that plan. As an anarchist you have to be unpredictable, but support mass organization at the same time even when you think it too slow or corrupt. I dont know,,, people will at times be far more advanced the dogma and surprise everyone,,,, That's when it gets real....


Like I've said earlier, I mostly agree with you. Although I could use a pissing match right now. hehe

Really though, I agree. But logistics without organization in our disjointed world is a whole other story. There has to be strong leadership in a group without leaders. Charisma and anonyimity. And even given that, you need a little luck. Facing an extremely well armed and prepared police force is no easy task for the most adept. Give away a flaw or two and you are screwed. Given the psychological preparedness through the MSM of the current situation, you are facing a tough situation to say the least. Surprise is still a vital tactic, and there was none for this night. Maybe another. Let the system unwind then KApow! Ah, but that would take a great awakening. Or would it? Have you heard of insurrectional Anarchy? It is our greatest hope, but also the most limited. Technology has tied theory up in knots.
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No i havent heard of the words "insurrectional anarchy". But perhaps we defined it without me knowing it. Put it into your own words and I'll see if it sounds familiar or not...
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So police can shoot to kill, while you are handcuffed, and it's ok.

Sheeple need to know how to be controlled.
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Very simply put, this is the sad truth of our current situation.
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from the main cnn.com page:


"...Bay Area Rapid Transit police were called to Oakland's Fruitvale station on January 1, 2009, after passengers complained about fights on a train. Officers pulled several men, including Grant, off the train when it arrived at Fruitvale.
The video showed Mehserle pulling his gun and fatally shooting Grant in the back as another officer knelt on the unarmed man.
Mehserle resigned his position a few days after the incident and was later arrested in Nevada.
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In my words?!? wow, pressure...

I would say the world is covered in gasoline,... and all it needs is a match...

and when the fire burns out,

the field is ready to be planted with peace, freedom, and abundance...


it's a theory or philosophy, that it just takes a spark, to burn all the shit up. And when it's over, the fields will be fertile... Oh, I need to sleep. :)

Oh well, for the time I must take the easy way out, maybe another time we can talk in more depth., this is a good start though...

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So police can shoot to kill, while you are handcuffed, and it's ok.

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Who said that? No one.

The cop was found guilty of the appropriate crime and will be going to prison.

... or did you get your news from a different source?
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So police can shoot to kill, while you are handcuffed, and it's ok.

Sheeple need to know how to be controlled.


Very simply put, this is the sad truth of our current situation.
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Execution is a sad truth of our current situation?? What are you? A human farmer?? Well you know, this sheeple wouldn't shut up, so I made it into dinner. ?!?!!?!??!!!?!?
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cop asked to join "conga line" rofl
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So police can shoot to kill, while you are handcuffed, and it's ok.



Who said that? No one.

The cop was found guilty of the appropriate crime and will be going to prison.

... or did you get your news from a different source?
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OF the appropriate crime? No. He was given a slap in the wrist compared to what he did. There was no need to draw anything -- and, it is clear, he did what he wanted. Kill.

It's like saying someone rapes 500 drunk women and is told "Well, we can't know what was inside the head of the women, so it's ok, we will charge him for jay walking."
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So police can shoot to kill, while you are handcuffed, and it's ok.



Who said that? No one.

The cop was found guilty of the appropriate crime and will be going to prison.

... or did you get your news from a different source?
 Quoting: Ratla 1002081


This is incorrect Ratla. Except the part about the news source. Because of course, the news sources will support the state. This IS America...

P.S. there are huge differences in weight and shape of gun v. taser



Manslaughter

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So police can shoot to kill, while you are handcuffed, and it's ok.



Who said that? No one.

The cop was found guilty of the appropriate crime and will be going to prison.

... or did you get your news from a different source?
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not in my opinion. he should get the death penalty. at very least- 2nd degree manslaughter. the whole Joury had connections with the police... comon now... fuck shit up!!
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So police can shoot to kill, while you are handcuffed, and it's ok.



Who said that? No one.

The cop was found guilty of the appropriate crime and will be going to prison.

... or did you get your news from a different source?

not in my opinion. he should get the death penalty. at very least- 2nd degree manslaughter. the whole Joury had connections with the police... comon now... fuck shit up!!
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Really ? I didn't know the police connections to all the jurors,... But I know there weren't any of my black friends there. I have some black friends from that hood too, wait, they moved it to LA. Yet somehow, there weren't any asians on their either! WHAT?!??! Do I smell trout?? Or is that just me?
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The verdict is just another excuse for them to steal sh*t.
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This was involuntary manslaughter?

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The verdict is just another excuse for them to steal sh*t.
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You are right. The fact that they don't want to be executed taking the train home played no part in the mostly peaceful protest. None whatsoever.



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sry if already posted. this thread is a flying...



that's hardly a riot, that's more like a block party..

lol
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i know. i think the fluoride in water supplies is starting to take its toll... what happened to the good ol days when they FUCKED shit up... its a natural destroy and rebuild process..
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This was involuntary manslaughter?


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I wonder if the cop was trained by Israelis....
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well if there is rioting in the streets, they should turn the cops loose with rifles, shot/maching/gattling guns and just mow the suckers down. Most of them are a bunch of worthless welfare crackheads anyway.
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The verdict is just another excuse for them to steal sh*t.
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And of course everyone will talk about the looting and forget the main reason of these protests.

Its done here in 2009, remember? They are going to use it more in the future.
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I just have to say, this thread has had over 100,200 views in a pretty short period of time... DANG. That's a lot of people out there!.. Hello echo echo echo
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The verdict is just another excuse for them to steal sh*t.


And of course everyone will talk about the looting and forget the main reason of these protests.

Its done here in 2009, remember? They are going to use it more in the future.
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Also done by Israel. It's the strategy.
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So police can shoot to kill, while you are handcuffed, and it's ok.

Sheeple need to know how to be controlled.


Very simply put, this is the sad truth of our current situation.



Execution is a sad truth of our current situation?? What are you? A human farmer?? Well you know, this sheeple wouldn't shut up, so I made it into dinner. ?!?!!?!??!!!?!?
 Quoting: OilAwakening


What? It happens. I'm not saying I condone it. It fucking happens every day! No need to be so contentious. I'm not saying bend over and take it, just commenting on how things are at this particular moment in time. Why not direct some of that hostility toward ending the injustices in this world?
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This was involuntary manslaughter?


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murderers!!! we need more men like Tupac in this world- he would have shot them fuckin pigs!!!!!!!!!
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well if there is rioting in the streets, they should turn the cops loose with rifles, shot/maching/gattling guns and just mow the suckers down. Most of them are a bunch of worthless welfare crackheads anyway.
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i hope they kill all them cops. fuck them pigs. people need to realize cops ARE NOT for us... NOT for the people- but for the WEALTHY... they are a GANG!!! Kill them fuckers off!!! revolution!!
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well if there is rioting in the streets, they should turn the cops loose with rifles, shot/maching/gattling guns and just mow the suckers down. Most of them are a bunch of worthless welfare crackheads anyway.
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Really? You think so? How much of the live footage did you watch tonight? Because what I SAW were a bunch of highly educated white and black people protesting police executions. or.. are you cool with that? To quote my self earlier quoting Pastor Martin Niemöller


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"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.Martin Niemöller was a German pastor and theologian born in Lippstadt, Germany, in 1892. Niemöller was an anti-Communist and supported Hitler's rise to power at first. But when Hitler insisted on the supremacy of the state over religion, Niemöller became disillusioned. He became the leader of a group of German clergymen opposed to Hitler. Unlike Niemöller, they gave in to the Nazis' threats. Hitler personally detested Niemöller and in 1937 had him arrested and eventually confined in the Sachsenhausen and Dachau concentration camps. Niemöller was released in 1945 by the Allies. He continued his career in Germany as a clergyman and as a leading voice of penance and reconciliation for the German people after World War II. His poem is well-known, frequently quoted, and is a popular model for describing the dangers of political apathy, as it often begins with specific and targeted fear and hatred which soon escalates out of control.
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The verdict is just another excuse for them to steal sh*t.


And of course everyone will talk about the looting and forget the main reason of these protests.

Its done here in 2009, remember? They are going to use it more in the future.


Also done by Israel. It's the strategy.
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This has nothing to do with Israel, we'll give you another spin though.

TRY AGAIN
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This was involuntary manslaughter?

-vid-
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Yes. He thought he had pulled his Taser and he had his pistol instead. Thats what it looks like to me based not only on the video but on other facts presented, and thats what the jury decided as well.
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This was involuntary manslaughter?

-vid-


Yes. He thought he had pulled his Taser and he had his pistol instead. Thats what it looks like to me based not only on the video but on other facts presented, and thats what the jury decided as well.
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Good. Remember this next time a cop is going to pull his taser against you. He may mistakenly pull his gun.