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New recruiting propeganda from the Army thank God most parents are not this stupid....

 
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05/31/2005 11:28 AM
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Uncle Sam wants you, and it shows

Aggressive ad efforts tackle Army recruiting woes from many angles

08:48 AM CDT on Tuesday, May 31, 2005

By RICHARD WHITTLE / The Dallas Morning News

WASHINGTON – Father and son lean on the rail of the side porch after dinner, peering out into an evening drizzle. The young man wears an Army uniform.

"You´re a changed man," the father tells his son solemnly, pride in his eyes.

"How´s that?" the freshly minted soldier replies.

"When you got off that train back there, you did two things you´ve never done before. At least not at the same time. You shook my hand. And then you looked me square in the eye. Where´s that come from?"

The son begins to grin slightly as the picture fades to a slogan: U.S. Army. Help Them Find Their Strength.

Unable to drum up the recruits it has needed each month since January, the Army has begun broadcasting new TV ads aimed at "influencers" – parents, coaches, teachers and other adults who can be an obstacle to recruiting.

"It´s a bit too early to tell" whether the ads will boost recruiting numbers, Maj. Gen. Michael Rochelle, commander of Army recruiting, told reporters at the Pentagon.

But poignant TV ads aimed at parents are just one of a host of creative recruiting tactics the Army and Army National Guard are using as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and a better economy make military service a harder sell.

For all the advertising effort, recruiting is sagging badly. As of April 30, the Army, Army Reserve and Army National Guard were 18,135 recruits short of the combined 89,599 new members they were aiming for by that point in fiscal year 2005, which began Oct. 1.

Since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the Army has boosted its advertising budget from $140 million to $180 million a year. It has enhanced its www.goarmy.com Web site, created a new Web page aimed at parents and vastly expanded its sports sponsorships.

The service´s Golden Knights precision parachute team has performed for years at air shows, races, football games and other sporting events.

But since 9-11, "They have been jumping down onto the beaches down in Florida during spring break and speaking to young people, not only high school but college students, about the U.S. Army," said Army spokesman Paul Boyce.

Even before Sept. 11, the Army sponsored National Hot Rod Racing Association driver Tony Schumacher. Since then, the service has begun sponsoring NASCAR driver Joe Nemechek, two riders in the Pro Stock Motorcycle Racing circuit, the U.S. Army All-American Bowl high school football game in San Antonio, three professional bull riders and an eight-member professional rodeo team.

The Army sponsors events such as racing and rodeo because marketing surveys show that their fans – both potential recruits and influencers – are "positive toward military service," noted Anthony Ciliberto, deputy director of strategic outreach for the U.S. Army Accessions Command.

The service also sends recruiters to auto shows, concerts and other public events in an "urbanized" H2 Hummer painted in flashy yellow and black with chrome wheels and grille. At outdoor events, this "Taking it to the Streets" program includes two tractor trailer-sized displays that include a helicopter flight simulator and a rock-climbing wall.

The National Guard, which handles its own recruiting and has a much smaller $42 million advertising budget, has been beefing up its advertising, too.

"We really began to notice the trends last April, that after seven straight years of achieving our end-strength, we were going to come to some challenging months," said Lt. Col. Michael Jones, deputy chief of the National Guard´s recruitment and retention division. "The decision was made that we´ve got to do things differently to be successful."

The Guard has "completely revamped our Web site," www.1-800-go-guard.com, he said. It´s also changed its theater advertising from still to moving slides. And in certain theaters in 22 states, including Texas, tickets sold to patrons 17 to 39 include coupons inviting them to the Guard´s Web site.

The Army Guard also puts reply-postcard inserts into Blockbuster DVDs and sends direct mail solicitations to Blockbuster customers who rent video games.

"There´s one person who can help keep America strong ... You," the message on the cards reads. "In the Army National Guard, you can!"

Earlier this year, the Guard even considered spending several million dollars to buy the naming rights to RFK Stadium in Washington, D.C., where the Washington Nationals baseball team plays. After key members of Congress objected, Guard commander Lt. Gen. Steven Blum vetoed that idea.

The Army also sends fliers to its target age group by direct mail, advertising enlistment bonuses of up to $20,000, college money of up to $65,000 and "30 days of paid vacation earned each year." Those who respond on the Web, by phone or by postage-paid postcard get a free Army T-shirt.

Because National Guard units are state organizations whose troops answer to the governor unless ordered to federal duty, authority to come up with new recruiting gimmicks has been given to local units, so practices vary from state to state.

The West Virginia National Guard, for example, is "heavy on military police units," said spokesman Maj. Todd Harrell, so one MP company recently held a "Career Day for Law Enforcement." Local police and sheriff´s departments and the state police sent representatives to tell potential recruits how service as a military police officer in the National Guard could pave the way to a law enforcement career.

Advertising and marketing professionals said there isn´t necessarily anything wrong with the Army´s ad campaigns, which Army spokesman Mr. Boyce said focus on two themes: career opportunities and patriotism.

The simple fact, they agreed, is that promoting the idea of military service when U.S. troops are being killed in Iraq nearly every day and the economy is offering other job opportunities is a hard sell.

Michael Hylden, 18, of Plano, a 2004 graduate of Jesuit College Preparatory School in Dallas, said he considered joining the military after high school but was uninspired by the Army´s advertisements – especially its "Army of One" slogan.

"The Army never really got me interested because the ´Army of One´ thing just doesn´t get to me," Mr. Hylden said. "The Marines always got to me because they were all about honor and that sort of thing. That just really hits something inside of me every time I see it. I think, ´Man, I really want to go join the Marines and give something back to this country.´ "

But instead, he ended up enrolling at the University of Arkansas, where he recently finished his freshman year. "There´s this voice in my head that says, ´You should volunteer and give back to this country,´ " Mr. Hylden said. "But there´s this other voice in my head that says, ´What if you die?´ And it always wins out."

Doubts about the legitimacy of the war in Iraq after no weapons of mass destruction were found there makes the task even harder, said advertising executive Lenny Stern of the New York ad agency SS+K.

"The military perhaps has a challenge in trying to convince people that this is a mission worth going into the service for," said Mr. Stern, whose clients include Microsoft and Time Warner Cable.

Mr. Hylden´s friend Josh Hauberg, 19, a student at Collin County Community College, is a case in point. The "Army of One" advertisements "don´t do anything for me," he said, but the war in Iraq is the main reason he has no interest in military service.

Army recruiters show up at his school regularly and have called him at home. And his firefighter father "actually told me I probably should join," Mr. Hauberg said.

"I basically told them I don´t really feel that I need to go fight a war that I don´t believe in," the young man said.

Patricia Alvey, director of the Temerlin Advertising Institute at Southern Methodist University, said selling people soda pop is a lot different from persuading them to risk their lives in the military.

"You have to have a reason to want to give that much away," she said. "When it is not a time of war, the Army can be an adventure, it can be a way to get an education, it can be a way to see the world. At a time of war, you can´t have the same conversation."

Stephen Greyser, a professor of marketing at Harvard Business School, agreed that "one has to have a special kind of advertising to attract people to the prospect that they might actually die in combat."

Judging the effectiveness of the Army´s current advertising campaigns, created by the Leo Burnett USA agency of Chicago, is impossible without detailed research, Mr. Greyser said, and "it´s not easy to judge even if one had all the numbers."

But if not for advertising, he mused, "Maybe they´d be further behind their goals."
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12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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They are like a CANCER that is insinuating itself in every aspect of our lives. BOYCOTT the people and business the motherfuckers sponser. MAKE A BIG NOISE YOU NASCAR FANS! Nascar season is upon us. Remember how the fans stood up and gave Bush the finger as he lapped the track in a pace car? It´s time to introduce these cocksukers to the toes of our pointed boots.
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12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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How low will they go to promote an illegal war, based on lies. These lies were fed to us by the highest office and our children are some of the fodder. Everyone knows



Some still want to believe a proven liar-the belief in lies will only sustain them a while longer. Once they see the truth the horror of blood on their hands will indict them all-everyone who set this up-all of them.


All choices have consequences, all of them.
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12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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thank God most parents are not this stupid....


Really? I think you put too much faith in the sheep...

I am surrounded by stupidity and useless mouth breathers.
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12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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So they are saying that parents cannot raise a child correctly and it takes the military to step in and do it right. Then again if parents are brain dead and are raising brain dead children then maybe the military is the best place for them. If they fall hook, line, and sinker for this stuff then they deserve what they get.
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12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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Also, if enough people fall for these adds and join then no draft will be needed. Maybe they need to gear these commercials towards the street gangs and every day thugs to get them to join up and make the streets here safer.
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12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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Yeah send your son die for an evil and injust war that great thing to sdo for a father...really great!-
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12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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Screw them! My children will never become cannon fodder for them.
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12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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I think every young man and woman should have to do service for their country for at least 3 years. If the person is going to colledge then it should be made mandatory to serve after finishing school. I dont care if its civil service or the military....So yes, I am all for the draft, bring it on!!!
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12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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Hey, I am not sending my kids to war at all. And they wouldn´t go anyway because they are smart enough to know that war solves nothing. But if others are stupid enough to go then that means no draft.
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12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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So assman, when are YOU signing up and shipping out?
icey ice
12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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lol, even street gangs and thugs aren´t THAT stupid to sign up, and they´re some of the dumbest mothafuggaz I know!

"You shook my hand, and you looked me square in the eye"

hahahahahahha fuckin garbage, yeah, cause the army has never created a psychopath or a person who despite service is still unable to find a place for themselves in society. only wholesome, upstanding individuals who love their abusive drug-addled alcoholic parents.
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12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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MAKE A BIG NOISE YOU NASCAR FANS! Nascar season is upon us. Remember how the fans stood up and gave Bush the finger as he lapped the track in a pace car----------------------------

1rof1
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12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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Given the general naivete of the American public, this campaign has been very carefully conceived by Leo Burnett.
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12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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I just wanna know when all these chickenhawk/reluctant warriors types are gonna start volunteerin there children as well as themselves to go fight this war started by lies?
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12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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New pressure to hit the recruiting number soon.. watch out parents.
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Army´s recruitment crisis deepens

May 26, 2005

BY ROBERT NOVAK SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

Retired Army Lt. Col. Charles Krohn got himself in trouble with his superiors as a Pentagon civilian public affairs official during the first 3-1/2 years of the Bush administration by telling the truth. He is still at it in private life. He says not to blame the military recruiters for the current recruiting ´´scandal.´´ Blame the war.

´´Army recruiting is in a death spiral, through no fault of the Army,´´ Krohn told me. Always defending uniformed personnel, he resents hard-pressed recruiters being attacked for offering unauthorized benefits to make quotas. In a recent e-mail sent to friends (mostly retired military), Krohn complained that the ´´Army is having to compensate for a problem of national scope.´´

The Army´s dilemma is maintaining an all-volunteer service when volunteering means going in harm´s way in Iraq. The dilemma extends to national policy. How can the United States maintain its global credibility against the Islamists, if military ranks cannot be filled by volunteers and there is no public will for a draft?

Krohn´s e-mail describes the problem: ´´Consider the implications of being unable to find sufficient volunteers, as seen by our adversaries. Has the United States lost its will to survive? What´s happened to the Great Satan when so few are willing to fight to defend the country? Surely bin Laden et al are making this argument, telling supporters victory is just around the corner if they are a bit more patient. And if they´re successful, the energy sources in the Mideast may be within their grasp.´´

Krohn says this reality is accepted by recipients of his message. It also meets agreement from active-duty officers I have contacted but who cannot speak publicly. They ponder how an all-volunteer force can be maintained when generals say there is no end in sight for U.S. troops facing an increasingly sophisticated insurgency.

Krohn´s message goes on to say ´´the recruiting problem is an unintended consequence of a prolonged war in Iraq, especially given the failure to find WMD.´´ He therefore calls for a ´´national consensus to address the root causes´´ of the recruiting problem -- that is, the war in Iraq.

But the focus at the Defense Department has been on the excesses of desperate recruiters, 37 of whom reflected their frustration in trying to meet quotas by going AWOL over the last 2-1/2 years. The official response was a 24-hour stand-down in recruiting to review proper procedures. It also has been proposed that enlistments, now usually three to four years with a minimum of 24 months, be cut to 15 months.

The recruiting guru Charles Moskos, professor emeritus at Northwestern University who once suggested an 18-month tour, now says shorter enlistments will not help. He proposes restoring the draft, but that is a political non-starter. Democratic Rep. Charles Rangel, who as a drafted soldier won the Bronze Star in Korea, is one of the very few members of Congress who advocate the draft. He does not hide his motive: A president would be politically unable to take a conscript army into wars such as Iraq.

In contrast, Krohn is a lifelong Republican who actively supported George W. Bush´s presidential candidacy in 2000. He specified in his e-mail that ´´I´m not now blaming´´ President Bush or Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for the situation. ´´We have a problem that transcends politics,´´ Krohn added.

The current Iraq war is America´s first prolonged conflict fought entirely with volunteers. It is a more professional and in every way a better army than the conscript army of Korean War vintage in which I served, or the conscript army that fought in Vietnam for seven years. The problem was signaled when the 9/11 attack on America did not generate the enlistments expected. Three and one-half years later, willingness to face personal peril in Iraq has faded.

That means the problem goes beyond mechanics of recruiting and the details of volunteer service and is found in the war itself. Paraphrasing Rumsfelds´ comment about going into battle with the Army we had, Charles Krohn said: ´´The war we have now is not the war we started off with. It´s much more serious.´´
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12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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Yawn. Parents have nothing to do with this. If a person is 18 or older and wants to join the military, there isn´t a damn thing a parent can do about it. You all make it sound like the ads are trying to get parents to MAKE their children enlist.
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12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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CB are YOU going to sign up and go get your legs blown off for the Dictator?
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12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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Parents can still influence their children at 18 and beyond.
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12/08/2005 10:17 AM
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I like how the military advertises service as an "adventure" as if war is exciting and fun.

I guess if you think walking through Harlem wearing a blue do-rag is adventurous...
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Like lowering the drinking age for military people to 19. Will it make a difference?

I do believe if these kids are old enough to fight this stupid war, they should be able to legally drink. Hell, the army is loading them up with drugs under the age of 21.

The legal drinking age during the Viet Nam War was 18.





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