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Historian warns of sudden collapse of American ‘empire’

by Brent Gardner-Smith, Aspen Daily News Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 6, 2010


Harvard professor and prolific author Niall Ferguson opened the 2010 Aspen Ideas Festival Monday with a stark warning about the increasing prospect of the American “empire” suddenly collapsing due to the country’s rising debt level.

“I think this is a problem that is going to go live really soon,” Ferguson said. “In that sense, I mean within the next two years. Because the whole thing, fiscally and other ways, is very near the edge of chaos. And we’ve seen already in Greece what happens when the bond market loses faith in your fiscal policy.”

Ferguson said empires — such as the former Soviet Union and the Roman empire — can collapse quite quickly and the tipping point is often when the cost of servicing an empire’s debt is larger than the cost of its defense budget.


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I think the thing that bothers me is that so many of these talking heads have come out of the woodwork dating back to the Clinton days. All of the forecasts of doom and gloom become something of a cottage industry, almost allowing individuals to profit from their dire warnings.
What this guy says may be essentially true, of course. Who knows? Certainly, what we have seen taking place in America over the past 10 years does not bode well for a safe, fruitful future, no matter which area of discussion you want to choose.
But where does that leave the average man? Just keep on keeping on.
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Learn Spanish and you'll be OK.
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We Must Operate on a Timetable in the Real World
July 9, 2010 • 8:54AM

Without Glass-Steagall, no recovery is possible and the US is doomed to disintegration. As Lyndon LaRouche has said, we will be hit with a global existential crisis this summer, between late July and late September, that is, before October 10th. True, under present conditions, there will be a complete wipe out of the House of Representatives in November, which will be favorable to passage of Glass-Steagall. However, it is doubtful the country will survive until then.

Therefore, it is imperative to focus on the time frame for forcing Obama out and reinstating Glass-Steagall, which is in the real world. We must force Obama's ouster now. It is the only thing that will enable us to maintain civilization.

There is a tendency among some Democrats to look forward to beating the bad Democrats in the fall. They are now moving away from Obama to take his faction out. Thus, they do not want to risk offending fellow Democrats.

But they are making a mistake, thinking that we are going to live that long. It appeals to them not to fight in the Democratic Party in order to eliminate Democrats who are behaving badly.

We, on the other hand, have the top position in respect to these matters. We are already winning. We have not achieved victory yet. But the important thing, is to move ahead with Lyn's program for the post-Obama era.

We have to win before the end of the summer. Otherwise we will not have a nation left to defend at that point. If we get Obama out, early in the summer, we can recover, we can save the nation, we can save the planet. If we do not, we're not likely to survive as a civilized form of life for generations to come.

We are at a point now, where the nation can not continue to exist under Obama. Sometime over the summer, the whole US goes down. We will be in the doldrums, as in Weimar under hyper-inflation after November 1923. It will come in the summertime.

Those who think they can avoid offending Obama's Democratic Party allies, are making a mistake. We must not subscribe to that mistake.

When you see Obama campaigning around the country for green jobs, as he did on Thursday, you have to wonder whether the White House mental health budget has been cut.

Even as aircraft company Cessna is planning to layoff 2,000 of its 8,000 aviation employees next week in Wichita, Kansas, the remaining 1,000 workers at the Michoud Assembly Facility near New Orleans, which produces the Space Shuttle external tank, will be laid off in 11 weeks, and about 500 contractor employees have been laid off in the last few weeks at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Obama insanely trumpetted that Smith Electric in Kansas City, Missouri, which produces battery-powered trucks, recently passed a milestone by hiring a 50th employee. He even waxed eloquent about Abengoa Solar, which is building the world's largest solar plant, which, when finished, he boasted, "can actually store energy that it creates for later use, even at night."

But the beginning of his speech told it all. "Usually they announce me with some fancy thing, and I think I messed up: I just walked out here. So I hope you didn't mind. But on the way out, if you want, we can play the ruffles and flourishes and all that."

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I think the thing that bothers me is that so many of these talking heads have come out of the woodwork dating back to the Clinton days. All of the forecasts of doom and gloom become something of a cottage industry, almost allowing individuals to profit from their dire warnings.
What this guy says may be essentially true, of course. Who knows? Certainly, what we have seen taking place in America over the past 10 years does not bode well for a safe, fruitful future, no matter which area of discussion you want to choose.
But where does that leave the average man? Just keep on keeping on.
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good points but you have to admit our national debt had quadrupled since Obama took office .. and unemployment remains high, industries being taken over by the govt... yada, yada, yada .. we're going to hit a wall sooner or later .. this guy has a great channel ..


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" * * * and I think I messed up: I just walked out here. So I hope you didn't mind. But on the way out, if you want, we can play the ruffles and flourishes and all that."
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It's all doom and gloom for America. The only problem with all these collapse assessments due to the debt? The entire system runs on debt, is based in debt, and is maintained in debt! The only way the US and the global system falls apart is if it isn't in debt and the banks stops passing the debt around. Let's face it, the debt they create is really a fiction - means nothing at all, really. Yet, it's what keeps the wheels of economic activity going.

Debt has been built up in the minds of people so much that it is viewed as the equivalent of sin that must be repaid in full - or 'balanced' - for there to be 'peace' and/or 'forgiveness'.

That's total BS - even when it applies to sin.

So, people work and work and work to try to get out of debt - but they never do because it's impossible - a false goal that cannot be reached. This is what keeps the whole thing going. Banks giving you 'sin' to exist in the material world and you continually keep repaying as if your life depended on it. You're never really repaying anything - you're simply passing life's energy with respect to economic activity around to everyone who is part of the body. So what's the problem?

Enter the idiotic federal governmental leaders who have no clue at all about anything or how life really works. What's their concern? A balanced budget!? Not being in debt!? Throwing the social safety net out the window because they think they can't afford to pass around the 'energy' - which, in economic terms, is debt. They are attempting to hoard. And what happens to hoarders? It's 'harvest' time...

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Historian warns of sudden collapse of American ‘empire’

by Brent Gardner-Smith, Aspen Daily News Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 6, 2010


Harvard professor and prolific author Niall Ferguson opened the 2010 Aspen Ideas Festival Monday with a stark warning about the increasing prospect of the American “empire” suddenly collapsing due to the country’s rising debt level.

“I think this is a problem that is going to go live really soon,” Ferguson said. “In that sense, I mean within the next two years. Because the whole thing, fiscally and other ways, is very near the edge of chaos. And we’ve seen already in Greece what happens when the bond market loses faith in your fiscal policy.”

Ferguson said empires — such as the former Soviet Union and the Roman empire — can collapse quite quickly and the tipping point is often when the cost of servicing an empire’s debt is larger than the cost of its defense budget.


[link to www.aspendailynews.com]
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Same old hysterical nonsense.
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.. this guy has a great channel ..



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Yeah I've seen his vids lately.
He pretty much says what everyone else is saying but he comes across as an "average" American.

Hard for the shills to debunk him.
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another great channel for all to check out ...


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.. this guy has a great channel ..





Yeah I've seen his vids lately.
He pretty much says what everyone else is saying but he comes across as an "average" American.

Hard for the shills to debunk him.
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Every problem we have has simply been papered over .. it's not a matter of if things will collapse .. it's a matter of when .. seems like the pace has picked up recently
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What collapses are those attempting to hoard the debt, thinking that it gives them 'power' and/or 'position'. It doesn't. It's like all the blood rushing to the brain - or in the case of these fools, the ass - and trying to force it to stay there. Eventually, something bursts wide open. If the so-called 'powers that be' want to avoid a horrendous fate for themselves, they will start passing the debt around (lending) immediately and without delay. If they do not - they're finished. The pressure is building...
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can you people please post the original videos link?? like a youtube or something?? i want to check the comments, thanks.
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TPTB know the US is fucked. That's why they're looting the Treasury now -- grab it while it's still there.
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0612043 It's been pretty obvious to anyone who has not been walking around in a coma for quite a while now.
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Op, thanks for your views on all of this. Interesting take. I guess my point of departure would involve those in the world you speak of who come to a point where they cannot pay those debts. Losing homes and having shattered lives has become a reality. True, the entire system may be based on debt itself, but equally dangerous to hording debt is the idea that many cannot repay debt, leaving creditors little alternative than to "stop the game" and cash in on the debtor's assets. When multiplied into a global sense, how can this be considered a "different reality."???
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America died a long time ago.

The Big Three:

Klinton - Rescinded Glass-Steagall and his nefarious policies of NAFTA, Off shoring of jobs, Cum stains, and Cigar insertions etc, did his part to help kill America.

The Decider - Patriot Act and his other agenda's to dismantle the Constitution and Bill of Rights etc , War monger, and his ineptitude helped kill America.

Barak Hussein Obama - Illegal alien, Marxist communist, Extreme Islamic/Muslim militant, fiscal policy, his alleged homo sex liasons, BP Oil Volcano, etc put the final nail in the coffin of America.

Welcome to Amerika or Welcome to the USSA, whichever you prefer.

Any way you put it, we're not in America anymore.
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Listen dude, I enjoyed your take on the last three presidents but get a clue about Clinton. He merely got caught with his dick in his hand. All of these guys do it...with multiple partners. Stick to the public character.
Loved your calling Bush "The Decider". What a great piece of sarcasm.
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There is a stark difference from a Soviet collapse compared to an American collapse.

The Soviets embraced freedom and Democracy. The world around them reached out and celebrated.

In the USA, people are going to fight socialism. It will not be pretty. The world is not going to reach out to us. This is going to be very interesting to say the least.

I believe Americans will be embracing a new and better life soon but there might be a lot of bloodshed inbetween.

And the irony will be hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens trying to escape back into Mexico with a flood of desperate Americans.
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Why, Adios!
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good points but you have to admit our national debt had quadrupled since Obama took office .. and unemployment remains high, industries being taken over by the govt... yada, yada, yada .. we're going to hit a wall sooner or later .. this guy has a great channel ..



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This guy knows his stuff - he's sane and doesn't go off on a rant against one party or the other.
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Listen dude, I enjoyed your take on the last three presidents but get a clue about Clinton. He merely got caught with his dick in his hand. All of these guys do it...with multiple partners. Stick to the public character.
Loved your calling Bush "The Decider". What a great piece of sarcasm.
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Klinton did much to destroy our economy. If you have the time, research it.

I wonder if Klinton daggered this bitch
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So, people work and work and work to try to get out of debt - but they never do because it's impossible - a false goal that cannot be reached.
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Bullshit.

I am out of debt. I work a regular nothing-special job and own my home, two cars, and one motorcycle free and clear.
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another great channel for all to check out ...



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I listened enough of him to realize he doesnt know what the fuck he talking about. complete dipshit.
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I had a vision of the sudden collapse of the usa.

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I think the fed will go into hyperinflation to solve the debt problems and that will be the end of our economy.
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America died a long time ago.

The Big Three:

Klinton - Rescinded Glass-Steagall and his nefarious policies of NAFTA, Off shoring of jobs, Cum stains, and Cigar insertions etc, did his part to help kill America.

The Decider - Patriot Act and his other agenda's to dismantle the Constitution and Bill of Rights etc , War monger, and his ineptitude helped kill America.

Barak Hussein Obama - Illegal alien, Marxist communist, Extreme Islamic/Muslim militant, fiscal policy, his alleged homo sex liasons, BP Oil Volcano, etc put the final nail in the coffin of America.

Welcome to Amerika or Welcome to the USSA, whichever you prefer.

Any way you put it, we're not in America anymore.
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In all probability, the future is uncertain.
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America died a long time ago.

The Big Three:

Klinton - Rescinded Glass-Steagall and his nefarious policies of NAFTA, Off shoring of jobs, Cum stains, and Cigar insertions etc, did his part to help kill America.

The Decider - Patriot Act and his other agenda's to dismantle the Constitution and Bill of Rights etc , War monger, and his ineptitude helped kill America.

Barak Hussein Obama - Illegal alien, Marxist communist, Extreme Islamic/Muslim militant, fiscal policy, his alleged homo sex liasons, BP Oil Volcano, etc put the final nail in the coffin of America.

Welcome to Amerika or Welcome to the USSA, whichever you prefer.

Any way you put it, we're not in America anymore.




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We'll just get shorter, if "the" illegals start to co-reproduce.
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Learn Spanish and you'll be OK.
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One year ago I decided to learn BOTH Spanish and Chinese... no joke. Both are coming along well.

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