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The Problem with the Bible is that almost nobody has ever read it.

 
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Take Revelation for instance. These verses tell us that the whole world is going to be destroyed in a few years. How do I know it is a "Few years." Simple in Matthew it says that the generation that sees Israel reborn shall not pass until all these things are fulfilled.

The Condensed Revelation Wrath of God against man
Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand.

Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

Rev 8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

Rev 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Rev 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Rev 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

Rev 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image.

Rev 16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead [man]: and every living soul died in the sea.

Rev 16:4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

Rev 16:7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous [are] thy judgments.

Rev 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, [every stone] about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong [is] the Lord God who judgeth her.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Rev 19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
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I've read it a few times.
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Notice how after almost everybody is killed it says that Jesus personally kills the REMNANT. And the birds eat their bodies.
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I woul;d claim the problem with any religious text is :

If it were based on 100% truths and actually revealed the correct entity that had 100% power over al lthings, then the TPTB would never have allowed it to get into the hands of the peons in society.

The fact that these texts are circulated to the masses, is more proof that it is lies and really benefits the corrupt elite.

Some peopel are starting to catch on.
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Notice how after almost everybody is killed it says that Jesus personally kills the REMNANT. And the birds eat their bodies.
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Another problem is people impose their interpretations on scripture instead of letting it speak for itself in context. The verse you are alluding to is more likely the remnant of those who have escaped the tribulation but are not born again believers in Christ. Just because the translators used the word "remnant" doesn't imply the remnant of the tribe of Judah. If you are going to interpret the scripture that way, at least have the courtesy of saying, in my opinion, IMO and then provide some grammatical justification for your opinion so others like myself who are judgmental are not tempted to stumble and immediately call you an idiot.
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Deliberately, I have read it cover-to-cover five times in my life (I started at age 16; I'm over 50). I can't even begin to ponder how much of it I read just picking up this verse and that verse while studying it. My S.O. read it 3 times. My kids have read it at least once thus far. That's six of us. I think you need to move in wider or better circles.
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The fact that these texts are circulated to the masses, is more proof that it is lies and really benefits the corrupt elite
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uhh .. not quite.

first - the texts arent really "circulated" to anyone. they're PURCHASED & GIVEN by believers who want to see it in others hands.

second - every attempt humanly possible has been made to eradicate the Bible.

third - if God wants His Word to "remain" .. its gonna remain. and there isnt *ANYTHING* *ANYONE* can do to stop it.
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I do not agree with that statement.

IMO, a more accurate statement would be:

The problem for some people, is that they do not let the Bible read them.
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no the problem with the bible is it is much pretty much unreadable
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Notice how after almost everybody is killed it says that Jesus personally kills the REMNANT. And the birds eat their bodies.


Another problem is people impose their interpretations on scripture instead of letting it speak for itself in context. The verse you are alluding to is more likely the remnant of those who have escaped the tribulation but are not born again believers in Christ. Just because the translators used the word "remnant" doesn't imply the remnant of the tribe of Judah. If you are going to interpret the scripture that way, at least have the courtesy of saying, in my opinion, IMO and then provide some grammatical justification for your opinion so others like myself who are judgmental are not tempted to stumble and immediately call you an idiot.
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You can call people all the names that you want if that makes you happy. Some people get joy out of that. So, if that is what toots your whistle, swear and curse away. Only God holds you accountable.

The Bible makes it clear that Jesus kills the REMNANT. It does not say a portion of a remnant. It does not say ten percent of those people left alive on the earth.
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The fact that these texts are circulated to the masses, is more proof that it is lies and really benefits the corrupt elite

uhh .. not quite.

first - the texts arent really "circulated" to anyone. they're PURCHASED & GIVEN by believers who want to see it in others hands.

second - every attempt humanly possible has been made to eradicate the Bible.

third - if God wants His Word to "remain" .. its gonna remain. and there isnt *ANYTHING* *ANYONE* can do to stop it.
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they are circulated....the believers could not give em out if it werent for the powers that control the printing presses and book publishing companies..

your religions and religious texts exist, because the powers in charge want them to exist , because it benefits those powers in charge the MOST .

after 2000 years of lies ,and having evil in charge, I would think the cult members would finally see thru the scam.

but intelligence doesnt seem to be a strongpoint of many of the cult members.
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The fact that these texts are circulated to the masses, is more proof that it is lies and really benefits the corrupt elite

uhh .. not quite.

first - the texts arent really "circulated" to anyone. they're PURCHASED & GIVEN by believers who want to see it in others hands.

second - every attempt humanly possible has been made to eradicate the Bible.

third - if God wants His Word to "remain" .. its gonna remain. and there isnt *ANYTHING* *ANYONE* can do to stop it.



they are circulated....the believers could not give em out if it werent for the powers that control the printing presses and book publishing companies..

your religions and religious texts exist, because the powers in charge want them to exist , because it benefits those powers in charge the MOST .

after 2000 years of lies ,and having evil in charge, I would think the cult members would finally see thru the scam.

but intelligence doesnt seem to be a strongpoint of many of the cult members.
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but at least the " culties" always have their blind faith to get them thru :}
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I know a lot of nobodys.
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Most culties have read it, so that isnt the problem . The problems arise when it is taken as verbatim and 100% truths and then the culties use certain passages to mean the things that best suits their agendas and religious brainwashing. Then, when it is allowed to infiltrate politics, you have a whole new can of worms , which usually ends in disaster and suffering of others.
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I know a lot of nobodys.
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The vast majority of humankind are nobody's
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I know a lot of nobodys.

The vast majority of humankind are nobody's
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I teach the Bible, so I am well aware of how many people don't understand what is written.
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Notice how after almost everybody is killed it says that Jesus personally kills the REMNANT. And the birds eat their bodies.


Another problem is people impose their interpretations on scripture instead of letting it speak for itself in context. The verse you are alluding to is more likely the remnant of those who have escaped the tribulation but are not born again believers in Christ. Just because the translators used the word "remnant" doesn't imply the remnant of the tribe of Judah. If you are going to interpret the scripture that way, at least have the courtesy of saying, in my opinion, IMO and then provide some grammatical justification for your opinion so others like myself who are judgmental are not tempted to stumble and immediately call you an idiot.

You can call people all the names that you want if that makes you happy. Some people get joy out of that. So, if that is what toots your whistle, swear and curse away. Only God holds you accountable.

The Bible makes it clear that Jesus kills the REMNANT. It does not say a portion of a remnant. It does not say ten percent of those people left alive on the earth.
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First of all the verse immediately before the verse in question identifies who Christ is warring with:

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

In the Greek text, the word you claim is remnant is in fact loipoi with a definite article. Loipoi is the plural form of the noun loipos which means remaining, remainder or "the rest". Contextually it means the remaining humans on earth who are not in Christ but survived the preceding cataclysms. The term "Remnant" in the Old Testament refers to those of the original tribes that God chose to remain faithful to him. You are mixing terms.
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and this is a problem?

if more people read this book, they would instantly become self-aware, and no longer have a need to dress up on Sunday to listen to some guy or lady go on and on about the book for a couple of hours, every sunday, and they would no longer be trapped by religion

yes, it is a good thing not many people have read this book, cause them religious people need to be led and the leaders need a job....
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The first problem I have with the 'bible' (and I've read it several times) begins at the beginning. The very first verse is incorrectly translated from the original language. Having found that out, I no longer trust anything in that book.
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The first problem I have with the 'bible' (and I've read it several times) begins at the beginning. The very first verse is incorrectly translated from the original language. Having found that out, I no longer trust anything in that book.
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but you must have blind faith, to recieve the blessings of da baby Jesus !
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I ...immediately call you an idiot.

You can call people all the names that you want if that makes you happy. Some people get joy out of that. So, if that is what toots your whistle, swear and curse away. Only God holds you accountable.

The Bible makes it clear that Jesus kills the REMNANT. It does not say a portion of a remnant. It does not say ten percent of those people left alive on the earth.


First of all the verse immediately before the verse in question identifies who Christ is warring with:

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

In the Greek text, the word you claim is remnant is in fact loipoi with a definite article. Loipoi is the plural form of the noun loipos which means remaining, remainder or "the rest". Contextually it means the remaining humans on earth who are not in Christ but survived the preceding cataclysms. The term "Remnant" in the Old Testament refers to those of the original tribes that God chose to remain faithful to him. You are mixing terms.
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THAT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IS CALLED DOUBLESPEAK.

loipoi means remainder ("the rest")

It says the remainder. If it were to mean the remainder minus some others then it would not say the remainder.

You are obviously intoxicated.

Dude, Remainder means Remainder!

It does not mean something else that you just made up about people disappearing. Just for your clarification and edification, if they are not there, then they are not the remainder. You can not be the remainder if you are not there.
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The first problem I have with the 'bible' (and I've read it several times) begins at the beginning. The very first verse is incorrectly translated from the original language. Having found that out, I no longer trust anything in that book.



but you must have blind faith, to recieve the blessings of da baby Jesus !
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oh, okay

gotta be blind and ignorant to receive the blessings of da baybe jezuz

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oh, okay

gotta be blind and ignorant to receive the blessings of da baybe jezuz

check
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Dude, blessings? He is coming back to make certain everybody is dead. Like I say, nobody has read the Bible.

The Bible clearly points out that ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF EARTH ARE GOING TO BE EXTERMINATED.
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Another problem is people impose their interpretations on scripture instead of letting it speak for itself in context. The verse you are alluding to is more likely the remnant of those who have escaped the tribulation but are not born again believers in Christ. Just because the translators used the word "remnant" doesn't imply the remnant of the tribe of Judah. If you are going to interpret the scripture that way, at least have the courtesy of saying, in my opinion, IMO and then provide some grammatical justification for your opinion so others like myself who are judgmental are not tempted to stumble and immediately call you an idiot.

You can call people all the names that you want if that makes you happy. Some people get joy out of that. So, if that is what toots your whistle, swear and curse away. Only God holds you accountable.

The Bible makes it clear that Jesus kills the REMNANT. It does not say a portion of a remnant. It does not say ten percent of those people left alive on the earth.


First of all the verse immediately before the verse in question identifies who Christ is warring with:

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

In the Greek text, the word you claim is remnant is in fact loipoi with a definite article. Loipoi is the plural form of the noun loipos which means remaining, remainder or "the rest". Contextually it means the remaining humans on earth who are not in Christ but survived the preceding cataclysms. The term "Remnant" in the Old Testament refers to those of the original tribes that God chose to remain faithful to him. You are mixing terms.


THAT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IS CALLED DOUBLESPEAK.

loipoi means remainder ("the rest")

It says the remainder. If it were to mean the remainder minus some others then it would not say the remainder.

You are obviously intoxicated.

Dude, Remainder means Remainder!

It does not mean something else that you just made up about people disappearing. Just for your clarification and edification, if they are not there, then they are not the remainder. You can not be the remainder if you are not there.
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First of all I corrected your revisionist strategies to make me look like an evil troll. Second of all, I really think you need to learn basic sentence diagramming, did you learn that in grammar school?

As I said, the preceding verse describes who Christ is warring with, He and His army are opposed to them: "Him that sat on the horse, and against His army". The loipoi are the remaining number of people who survived the wrath of God poured out and are gathered together with the Beast to war against the Lamb.

Why don't you provide some kind of grammatical evidence that supports your claim, expand your mind exercise your brain and you might sound more educated and give a little credence to your interpretation. As it is you are again arguing semantics, and poorly at that.
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oh, okay

gotta be blind and ignorant to receive the blessings of da baybe jezuz

check


Dude, blessings? He is coming back to make certain everybody is dead. Like I say, nobody has read the Bible.

The Bible clearly points out that ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF EARTH ARE GOING TO BE EXTERMINATED.
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Oh well.

Ya can't really say that we don't have it coming.
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Americans and their bible, what about waking up to reality? no god will fix the problems we created.
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no the problem with the bible is it is much pretty much unreadable
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Amen to that brother, if I want to read indecipherable gibberish I can pick up an essay written by most high school students and satisfy that craving. No need to read a book that has been modified, codified, adulterated and used as a control mechanism.

Thanks but no thanks
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You are obviously intoxicated.

Dude, Remainder means Remainder!



First of all I corrected your revisionist strategies to make me look like an evil troll. Second of all, I really think you need to learn basic sentence diagramming, did you learn that in grammar school?

As I said, the preceding verse describes who Christ is warring with, He and His army are opposed to them: "Him that sat on the horse, and against His army". The loipoi are the remaining number of people who survived the wrath of God poured out and are gathered together with the Beast to war against the Lamb.

Why don't you provide some kind of grammatical evidence that supports your claim, expand your mind exercise your brain and you might sound more educated and give a little credence to your interpretation. As it is you are again arguing semantics, and poorly at that.
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Present grammatical evidence? You intoxicated fool! I am the one presenting the Word for what it says. When it says that Jesus kills the remnant, THAT is what it says. He is coming back to make certain that everybody is dead.

You are the flaming lunatic (alias evil troll) who says that the word is remnant in ancient Greek. I agree with that portion of your post. You then say that even though it says Remnant I have to understand that it does not mean remnant. YOU then use DOUBLESPEAK and say something about the Old Testament. You realize of course to everybody who reads your posts that you come across as a raving flaming lunatic. I do not have to do anything to make you look like a total fool. You are doing a fantastic job all by yourself.
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Americans and their bible, what about waking up to reality? no god will fix the problems we created.
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God is going to fix the problems that we created. He is going to kill everybody. Read about it in the Bible.
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