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By Rowan Scarborough

8:30 p.m., Sunday, July 11, 2010

The White House's official policy of banning the word "Islam" in describing America's terrorist enemies is in direct conflict with the U.S. military's war-fighting doctrine now guiding commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan.

John O. Brennan, President Obama's chief national security adviser for counterterrorism, delivered a major policy address on defining the enemy. He laid out the White House policy of detaching any reference to Islam when referring to terrorists, be it al Qaeda, the Taliban or any other group.

But Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, the man tapped by Mr. Obama as the new top commander in Afghanistan, led the production of an extensive counterinsurgency manual in December 2006 that does, in fact, tell commanders of a link between Islam and extremists.

The Petraeus doctrine refers to "Islamic insurgents," "Islamic extremists" and "Islamic subversives." It details ties between Muslim support groups and terrorists. His co-author was Gen. James F. Amos, whom Mr. Obama has picked as the next Marine Corps commandant and Joint Chiefs of Staff member.

Mr. Brennan on May 26 told an audience at the Center for Strategic and International Studies that "describing our enemy in religious terms would lend credence to the lie propagated by al Qaeda and its affiliates to justify terrorism, that the United States is somehow at war against Islam. The reality, of course, is that we have never been and will never be at war with Islam. After all, Islam, like so many faiths, is part of America."

In a speech that also severed the Obama administration from President George W. Bush's "war on terror," Mr. Brennan also said: "The president's strategy is absolutely clear about the threat we face. Our enemy is not terrorism because terrorism is but a tactic. Our enemy is not terror because terror is a state of mind and, as Americans, we refuse to live in fear. Nor do we describe our enemy as jihadists or Islamists because jihad is holy struggle, a legitimate tenet of Islam meaning to purify oneself of one's community."

Asked about the discrepancy between the White House policy and the military's counterinsurgency doctrine, Michael Hammer, Mr. Brennan's spokesman, said "We don't have anything to add to John's speech."

Larry Korb, a military analyst at the Center for American Progress, said Mr. Brennan is correct to avoid linking Islam to terrorism.

"Once you attach a religious thing, you're basically saying somehow or other this is caused by the religion," Mr. Korb said. "Most Muslims are not that way."

He added, "If you put that term [Islamic terrorist] on there, it causes you more problems in the long run. You don't want to see this as a war on quote unquote the Muslim world. If I took a look at all the people, for example, who killed abortion doctors and I said they're Christian terrorists, or something like that, and they are all who have done that. That is their interpretation of the Bible. But most people are not. Some of these people will quote the Bible and say I had to go after this doctor because he's killing innocents."

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Military sees Barry as an Islamic.
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Islam is at war with us whether we want to believe it or not. Every single one of the terrorists that yell Allah Acbar right before blowing themselves and others to kingdom come is following the teachings of the Koran to do so and the Imams not only teach this, they remind of us of it on a regular basis and point to their "martars" as role models. If we refuse to see the enemy for what it really is then we are doomed.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
[link to line-in-the-sand.blogspot.com]
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Islam is at war with us whether we want to believe it or not. Every single one of the terrorists that yell Allah Acbar right before blowing themselves and others to kingdom come is following the teachings of the Koran to do so and the Imams not only teach this, they remind of us of it on a regular basis and point to their "martars" as role models. If we refuse to see the enemy for what it really is then we are doomed.
 Quoting: Resister


Lots of muslims do not blow themselves up, or wish us any harm at all, and many scholars dispute that the Koran instructs anything of the sort.

It would be nice if they would settle these questions so that we could understand the enemy. But life is rarely so simple.
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Seems to me...barry is more concerned about protecting Islam...Instead of America..
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Every single one of the terrorists that yell Allah Acbar right before blowing themselves and others to kingdom come is...

wearing a star of david. Is that to trick us too?

Shin Bet.
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Islam is at war with us whether we want to believe it or not. Every single one of the terrorists that yell Allah Acbar right before blowing themselves and others to kingdom come is following the teachings of the Koran to do so and the Imams not only teach this, they remind of us of it on a regular basis and point to their "martars" as role models. If we refuse to see the enemy for what it really is then we are doomed.


Lots of muslims do not blow themselves up, or wish us any harm at all, and many scholars dispute that the Koran instructs anything of the sort.

It would be nice if they would settle these questions so that we could understand the enemy. But life is rarely so simple.
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Koran 9:5 "Slay the infidels wherever you find them, and seize them, and besiege them and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush."
The Koran was written not by Mohamed (who was illiterate), but by his servants who took dictation from him. The first more peaceful section was written in his home town of Mecca where he was opposed by the pagans that were firmly in control. The second violent half was written in Medina where he basically became a war lord and killed everyone who didn't do what he said.

Islamic scholars (if you can call them that) maintain what they call a doctrine of "abrogation". That is, everything the said at a later date abrogates or supersedes what was previously written. Bottom line is that the verse of the sword abrogates any more peaceful callings in the first part of the Koran. Muhammad died a child touching war lord. It was his vision that all Muslims would follow him in violence and subjugation of women and infidels everywhere.

Muslims who are of the peaceful variety (I will agree that there are some) have either rejected the later teachings or simple haven't gotten that far in that demonic book that is the Koran. It's worth noting the deadly division amongst Muslims of Sunni (mostly peaceful) and Shea (mostly deadly). Shiite Muslims view even the Sunni Muslims as infidels and will kill them with the same disregard for life as any other non believer.

Islam is a violent repressive socio-political movement that destroys anyone that gets in its way.

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"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Recomended reading: The Complete Infidel's Guide to the Koran
[link to www.jihadwatch.org]
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
[link to line-in-the-sand.blogspot.com]
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Seems to me...barry is more concerned about protecting Islam...Instead of America..
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yep

He is obsessed with not wanting to hurt the murders feelings.
Personal responsibility - try it sometime. Quit blaming others for your bad choices. Consequences happen.

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Every single one of the terrorists that yell Allah Acbar right before blowing themselves and others to kingdom come is...

wearing a star of david. Is that to trick us too?

Shin Bet.
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You bet.
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Seems to me...barry is more concerned about protecting Islam...Instead of America..


yep

He is obsessed with not wanting to hurt the murders feelings.
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That silly born again christian...;)
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So now he will kick Petraeus out? That will go over like a turd in a glass of milk.
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So now he will kick Petraeus out? That will go over like a turd in a glass of milk.
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Military people tend to call it as they see it unabashed and obama’s tantrums will not change that fact one iota in fact it will only serve to strengthen their resolve.

It does not take much to come to the conclusion that obama ensured that government funding for international programs was not cut while Medicare and Medicaid funded by taxpayers monies was severely cut back has to convince rational thinking Americans that obama’s interests are not with the American people.
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I don't think Barry can kick Petraeus out, not unless the General loses Afghanistan.
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I don't think Barry can kick Petraeus out, not unless the General loses Afghanistan.
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I suppose obama could manufacture anything however getting it to fly is another matter and two generals that have gone against him is a slap in the face that is difficult to dodge twice.
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If anyone can get us out of Afghanistan and still figure out a way to spin it as a 'win' it's David Petraeus. I pity him, even so.
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And I hope they do award him the 5th star - he certainly deserves it after this little trick.
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who cares all religions are fake
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who cares all religions are fake
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Can I get an 'amen'?
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Almost seems like distraction...
all of a sudden..a problem arises with Petraeus...
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who cares all religions are fake
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They are real to the people that believe in them.
Most of the people on this planet subscribe to one religious faith or another.

Even if you are convinced yourself of atheism, or that religions are fake, you still have to come to grips that you are in the vast minority of people and most around you are of the opposite mind.

So "who cares" the answer is "almost everyone but you on this entire planet".
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If I were Barry, I wouldn't within rifle shot of any
US military man.
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Almost seems like distraction...
all of a sudden..a problem arises with Petraeus...
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Ehh..this is really nothing. Washington TIMES (not POST) trying to stir up something. It's not a 'problem' with Petraus, only with his some terminology 'doctrine' supposedly. Nothing's going on about this actually. The real problem is the Washington Times, lol.
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It's MSM, I don't trust it.
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some of the terminology in his doctrine.
Maybe I shouldn't post while drinking.
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Islam is NOT part of America. What the fuck is Obama talking about?

That's really laying it on thick.
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Obama really is a fucking asshole. He only seems to say and do the EXACT OPPOSITE of what a real, honest president should say and do. He cannot and should never be trusted EVER.

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