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The 12 tribes of israel and the zodiac, ancient geometry and Swastikas, and how to build a Holy of Holies matrix
From the Book Ancient Celtic New Zealand by Martin Doutre

[link to www.celticnz.co.nz]


Although space does not allow me to eleborate, there is clear evidence that each "House" of the Tribes of Israel was assigned a zodiacal symbol. Clues as to what "House" of the Zodiac was assigned to what tribe are found coded into various areas of scripture and especially Genesis Chapter 49 or, to a lesser degree, Deuteromomy Chapter 33. A large amount of excellent scholastic endeavour was undertaken, especially, in the 19th century, to idenify the correct zodiacal signs of each tribe. By reference to all available clues, from diverse sources and after a profound scrutiny of Biblical text itself. we cam now say with confidence, that the zodiacal symbols were assigned to each tribe in the following manner:

1. To the north of the Tabernacle were Asher(Libra), Dan(Scorpio) & Naphtali (Virgo).

2. To the east were, Issachar(Cancer) Judah(leo) & Zebulon(Capricorn)

3. To the south were Simeon(Pisces), Reuben (Aquarius) & Gad (Aries).

4.To the west were Benjamin (Gemini), Ephraim (Taurus) & Manasseh (Sagittarius).

5. The Tribe of Levi pitched their tents centrally around the Tabernacle and they had no zodiacal symbol assigned to them. Their symbol was the sun.


It will be immediately noted, by an adapt Astrologer or Astronomer, that these zodiacal assignments do not comply with the way that the zodiacal constellation are set out around the Ecliptic. The order of the true Zodiac, working clockwise from the north (in the position occupied by Asher), would be (these days) Gemini, Taurus, Aries, Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn, Sagittarius, Scorpio, Libra, Virgo, leo & Cancer.

If the placement of the 12 tribes, under their zodiacal "House Ensigns", is out of sequence, then that is by design and not due to the symbols being wrongly assigned. Although there are a couple of the tribes where the zodiacal assignments are vague, others are very clear...Judah for example...the lions whelp...couched as a lion...an old lion (Genesis 49:9). Moses, in the wisdom of his forefathers was, by reference to the tent pitching procedures of his people, placing them according to the perfect geometric matrix of the Holy of Holies. Their "out of sequence" positioning was to demonstrate how the Holy of Holies geometry worked to perfection and, at this present era of human history, it acts as a template upon which to double check archaeological discoveries and test emerging concepts.

Discoveries at Waitapu Observatory in New Zealand and those of the Brasen Sea, comply perfectly with the geometry of Moses. To demonstrate this, let's go back to basics and build a Holy of Holies Matrix:

1. Using the Waitapu template, set out the concentric circles according to PHI. All measures will be based on the sexagesimal system and the site will follow the 666 formula.

2. Beginning with the 8 pointed star of Isis, establish, in order, each star and cross pattern. The order of procedure is Isis, Grand Cross, Star of RA/Star of Gilgal, Cross of Set, Holy Rectangles.

3 The fore going creates a 64 square central area and, for simplicity, all patterns exterior to the Holy of Holies or all criss-crossing geometry not relating to the lines that make up the 64 squares, can be erased, with exception to the 12 pointed star of Gilgal. The outer ring of small squares, making up the large Holy of Holies Square, needs to be divided up into 9 zigzag segment per side. This will lead to the creation of 36 such segments ringing the Holy of Holies. Each House of the Zodiac is allotted 3 segments to live in and move through. This means that 3 Houses of the Zodiac face out to 1 quarter of the Earth.

[link to i30.tinypic.com]

With the geometry in place, each corner creates a geometric replica of the squatting God of the Hypocephalus. For visual simplicity we'll not include any of the calibration circles that make up the head, faces or elaborate crown, Now, let's precisely follow the pattern of Moses in the placement of the tribes. Only 1 tribe is correctly positioned(based on the present positioning of the zodiactal Houses) and that is Zebulon/ Capricorn, Because this tribe is in its rightful position, contemporary to our times, we'll use Capricorn as a point of departure in our identification of the geometry that Moses is alluding to. The direction we will take is anticlockwise, around the constellations on the Eclipic line....the direction the Sun appears to travel through the Zodiac annually.

Note: at the time of the Exodus...estimated to be at 1491 BC, the Sun, at the time of the Vernal Equinox, rose in Taurus...and had done so for about 800 years. Some further significance might be found by showing the tribes beside their zodiacal counterparts, of the Exodus era.

Pic: The earliest Zodiacs used in the East were in square configuaration, like two overlaying Holy Rectangles. They match the concept of the Holy of Holies calculating matrix.
[link to i27.tinypic.com]

From the Zebulon-Capricorn(true Capricorn)point of the Star of Gilgal, rule a line to the Beuben Aquarius(true Scorpio)point. From there the line will backtrack sharply to the Simeon-Pisces (true Sagittarius)point. It then turns sharply again to the Gad-Aries (true Libra)point and carries on to the Ephraim-Taurus (true Leo)point. Again it angles back sharply to the Benjamin-Gemini (true Virgo)point then turns to, dramatically, cross the entire site through the center, to the Issachar-Cancer (true Pisces)point. It turns sharply onto the Judah-Leo (true Aquarius) point then back tracks sharply to the Naphtali-Virgo (true Aries)point. It carries on to the Asher-Libra (true Gemini) point then backtracks sharply to the Dan-Scorpio (true Taurus)point. From there it turns sharply again and goes to the Manasseh-Sagittarius (true Cancer)point, then makes the final leg of its journey, fully traversing the site through the centre to its original point of departure at the Zebulon-Capricorn (true Capricorn) position. This exercise is "Proof Positive" that the various tribes have been assigned their correct zodiacal ensigns.

The geometry is consistent and divulges, in the patterns achieved, some amazing and much used "Old World" symbols. The first of these is the ancient variety of the Swastika, in reverse mode. The second is the overlaying Holy Rectangles. These are the most outwardly apparent geometric symbols that one immediately sees upon first connecting the lines between tribes. Further analysis will show that there is a lot more including:

Both clockwise and anticlockwise Swastikas of two distinct types. One set has larger arms than the second set. All of these are the very ancient Swastikas with the angled down arms, often seen in the symbolism of Sumeria. A third variation is a combination of left and right-armed Swastikas combined. A fourth variation is the more modern and widely known, Nazi Swastikas. The "Nazi merchants of death" (of "Arbeit Macht Frei"infamy) irrevocably plunged this symbol into a very negative category, from which it might never be able to re-emerge. The ancient straight armed Swastikas are underserving of this defamation and were formerly, "Sun", "good fortune" and "spiral energy" symbols (like all other companion designs)...universally used amongst 3/5ths of ancient civilisations(see Maori Spirals and Sun worship, by Edward Tregear...read before the Wellington Philosophical Society, 11 July 1899). This fourth category of straight-armed Swastikas, in both clockwise and anticlockwise varieties, is naturally created by utilisation of the Holy Rectangles in the Moses Geometry.

A large body of ancient Astronomical/mathematical methodology is revealed in Moses' "tent pitching plan", which provides us with yet another approach to extracting additional symbolism from the Holy of Holies Matrix. whereas most of the geometry, found to date, seems to originate from the site centres, Moses gives us a more "peripheral, radical and erratic" linear geometry to add to the overall equation. these individual symbols would have been very useful for varied types of calculation, including "triangulation". Other symbols, here depicted, were, well before Moses' time, the primary religious symbolism of other and older, Great civilisations and were continuously displayed.

A Maltese Cross pattern:
[link to i29.tinypic.com]

There are Maltese crosses that can be contructed from 2 primary positions, over the lines of the Star of Gilgal, with cryptic, supportive indications on how to add a new geometric dimension supplied by Moses.
[link to i31.tinypic.com]

Swastikas pattern:
[link to i26.tinypic.com]

The Isle of Man Symbol
[link to i25.tinypic.com]

Star of Gilgal
[link to i32.tinypic.com]

Consider the true positions of constellations, in chronological order, as they appear around the Ecliptic line. we can see how the Holy of Holies, in conjunction with the 12 pointed star of Gilgal, using triangulation, divides the Houses of the Zodiac into the 4 categories...Fiery, Earthy, Airy and Watery.

Footnote: some confusion might occur in analysing what happaned with the Tribe of Joseph. This tribe received the Birthright and the Biblical text states, 'I have given unto thee one portion above thy brethren' (double portion). Joseph had the zodiacal ensign of Taurus and this ensign passed to his son Ephraim (Joseph was the Taurean Minister of Agriculture under the Pharaoh, also the Minister of Finance....again a Taurean position).

Take careful not of the 3 distinct symbols displayed herein. This combination of elements, with minor modificaiton, leads to the creation of the Union Jack Flag of Great Britain. It is the conclusion of the author that the Tabernacle of Moses geometry, which was simply a continuation of the much older Holy of Holies geometry, was the inspiration behind the flag.
[link to i30.tinypic.com]

Union Jack
[link to images.search.yahoo.com]

Moses, in his blessing of the tribes, said of Joseph, 'His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, (Taurus) and his horns are like the horns of unicorns (more of Sagittarius). In Genesis, it states, 'But his bow abode in strenth' (Sagittarius...the priestly sign, dreamer and interpreter of dreams). Joseph was both Taurus and Sagittarius. The birthright ensign (Taurus) went to (Ephraim) and the second ensign (Sagittarius) went to his other son (Manasseh). For additional reading: (see, The Stones of the Breastplate, by J.M.Lawrence.

"Geometric layout discoveries at Waitapu Observatory in New Zealand and those of the Brasen Sea, comply perfectly with the camping assignments of the 12 Tribes of Israel around the Tabernacle".
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*title should be 13 tribes of israel, (not 12)
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Also alot of relavance to some recent crop circles......look for geometric patterns.
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Thanks op, here is another book I am reading at the moment by Rev, Bill Darlinson called "The Gospel and the Zodiac".


[link to www.thegospelandthezodiac.com]
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no problem and thanks for shareing (will check out the link now), have read the book, very interesting indeed, was interested in the water carrier, and the chapter relating to harvest(taurus).

Have you read the kolbrin?, also a good book with Gnostic related material reflecting some important principles relating to ancient geometry.

[link to www.thekolbrin.com]
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*title should be 13 tribes of israel, (not 12)
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eactly.. why the Levites don't have an astro sign.

we know not thier numbers, as they were not "counted." could be all around us. ;)
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Thanks op, here is another book I am reading at the moment by Rev, Bill Darlinson called "The Gospel and the Zodiac".


[link to www.thegospelandthezodiac.com]


no problem and thanks for shareing (will check out the link now), have read the book, very interesting indeed, was interested in the water carrier, and the chapter relating to harvest(taurus).

Have you read the kolbrin?, also a good book with Gnostic related material reflecting some important principles relating to ancient geometry.

[link to www.thekolbrin.com]
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I haven't read the Kolbrin yet, although I have wanted to in the past but it was a bit too expensive for me at the time.
Hopefully I will get around to it soon although to be honest I find it difficult to concentrate on books these days, I blame the internet for that, as in the past I could become totally absorbed in books.
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ok gota go now, will be back tomarro with more information and info in conections to some of the latest crop circles.
Critisisim and perpective welcomed, (I want to test this sucker out lol). Silence also speaks volumes......
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ummm, there are actually 13 signs of the Zodiac...

Which sort of discredits your whole post.
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*title should be 13 tribes of israel, (not 12)
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oh, I see... I guess I'll read through then... :)
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Thanks op, here is another book I am reading at the moment by Rev, Bill Darlinson called "The Gospel and the Zodiac".


[link to www.thegospelandthezodiac.com]


no problem and thanks for shareing (will check out the link now), have read the book, very interesting indeed, was interested in the water carrier, and the chapter relating to harvest(taurus).

Have you read the kolbrin?, also a good book with Gnostic related material reflecting some important principles relating to ancient geometry.

[link to www.thekolbrin.com]


I haven't read the Kolbrin yet, although I have wanted to in the past but it was a bit too expensive for me at the time.
Hopefully I will get around to it soon although to be honest I find it difficult to concentrate on books these days, I blame the internet for that, as in the past I could become totally absorbed in books.
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Year im the same, unless its got vauluble information, i tend to lose interest quickly, im lucky i get alot of time to read at work, perks of the job lol. See ya latter, and have a great day :)

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*title should be 13 tribes of israel, (not 12)


oh, I see... I guess I'll read through then... :)
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thanks, I have more info regarding 13 and the 13th tribe, will post this tommaro 2 :)
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Year im the same, unless its got vauluble information, i tend to lose interest quickly, im lucky i get alot of time to read at work, perks of the job lol. See ya latter, and have a great day :)

<<<Ra>>>
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You too mate, have a good'en.
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Another thread that nobody will even read the first post...

Another piece of crap between hundreds...

This community is being overflow...

This is a conspirancy forum, not a place to rant and debate religion...

Leave us, the skpetic and atheist people, alone!

Get our of here.

You do not have anything that is interestint to us.
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This is very ungracious .If you do not like this thread find one that you do like and leave us in peace.
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There is a 13th zodiac sign, which could represent the tribe of Levi (instead of the sun).
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bookmarking for later reading. Thanks OP. Looks interesting.
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Another thread that nobody will even read the first post...

Another piece of crap between hundreds...

This community is being overflow...

This is a conspirancy forum, not a place to rant and debate religion...

Leave us, the skpetic and atheist people, alone!

Get our of here.

You do not have anything that is interestint to us.
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God is the bigest conspiracy ever! And I don´t speak of religion.
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Nice !!

i have been serching for the ancient Aquarious alignment....

this helps a bunch !!
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Interested in others Zodiacal signs and the tribes they supposedly descend from.

I'll start. Cancer--Issachar
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Interested in others Zodiacal signs and the tribes they supposedly descend from.

I'll start. Cancer--Issachar
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I skimmed the article. Hard to concentrate on this stuff. Confusing to me.
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There is a 13th zodiac sign, which could represent the tribe of Levi (instead of the sun).
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I was thinking the same thing, serpent(OPHIUCHUS) is the 13 zodiac sign. Serpent is also the symbol of the sun, in ancient times.


In the mythology of the primitive world, the serpent is universally the symbol of the sun...The serpent was universally represented by the sun ...

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
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In the mythology of the primitive world, the serpent is universally the symbol of the sun...The serpent was universally represented by the sun ...

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yes....

kind of off topic....i apply that to the original sin....the serpant or the sun tempted the female in the the Garden of Eden....
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Continued...

In the 40 year period of "wandering" around in the desert regions between Egypt and Israel, the camping arrangements of the "13" Tribes of Israel were clearly defined and organised.

The Tribes of Israel had a mobile "Temple" that they took with them from place to place in their nomadic migrations and this elaborate tent-like edifice was re-erected at each new camp site. The positions and orentation of the edifice, called the "Tabernacle of Moses", determined the exact postitions where each tribe of the "13" Tribes of Israel would pitch their tents. The reason that there were 13 tribes, has to do with the way that the Tribe of Joseph developed. Joseph had 2 sons, Ephraim and Manasseh and, by this era of wandering, each was considered to be a tribe and the title "Tribe of Joseph" no longer applied. Another cryptic code is, undoubtedly, contained in the use of the number 13 to indicate 13 months of 28 days, equalling 364 days (for a "raw" year count).

My purpose in entering into this discussion of "camping arrangements", is to identify yet another "crptic code" in the Book of Numbers for, as we will see, the "hidden meaning" is more zodiacal and astrological than it is "conducive to good camping practices". An understanding of the plan being conveyed, semi-hidden in code, leads to an understanding of the geometric matrix of the "Holy of Holies", as used for measureing the "Precession of the Equinoxes". Whether or not the 40 years of wandering by a multitude of people in the merciless desert and the adherence to the described order of camping at each new staging post, is historically sustainable and provable, I do not know. The greater message, conveyed within these Biblical passages, might be less historical and more scientific.

By the "Exodus" era, the Israelites had established a hierarchy amongst the tribes, which put 4 tribes into pre-eminent positions and 8 tribes into more minor and somewhat subservient roles. Yet another tribe (the 13th) was set apart from the rest to officiate as Priests and to serve all of the other tribes in that capacity. In the "camping arrangements", therefore, the 4 major tribes take up station at the four primary points of the compass. The 8 minor tribes take interim positions between those points and the Tribe of Levi (the Priests) camp more centrally around the "Tabernacle"

The 4 major tribes consisted, firstly, of Ephraim (the son of Joseph..this tribe was pre-eminent inasmuch as the "birthright" came down through the lineage of Joseph/ Ephraim), with the others being the Tribes of Judah, Dan and Reuben. The positions of these tribes, in taking up their stations on the outmost concentric square from the Tabernacle, were Judah (east), Reuben (south), Ephraim (west) and Dan (north). The minor tribes were, Asher (north-north-west), Naphtali (north-north-east), Issachar (east-north-east), Zebulon (east,south,east), Simeon (south,south,east), Gad (south,south,west), Benjamin (west,south,west) and Manasseh (west,north,west). The points of the compass where the minor tribes bordered on each other represented northwest, northeast, southeast, and southwest, respectively

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Interested in others Zodiacal signs and the tribes they supposedly descend from.

I'll start. Cancer--Issachar


I skimmed the article. Hard to concentrate on this stuff. Confusing to me.
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Did you have a look at the pictures(links), they help explain a whole lot as you can sort of get a visual picture of what is being talked about.
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Nice !!

i have been serching for the ancient Aquarious alignment....

this helps a bunch !!
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Cool!, yip lots of interesting little nuggets in there, I need to let some of the info settle and digest, am interested in the Aquarious alignment thou......:)
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Ok now lets look at the connections between these ancient geometric patters and crop circles.

[link to www.kornkreise.ch]

and geometic pattern The Isle of Man Symbol (reversed?)
[link to i25.tinypic.com]
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This recent crop circle also fits into the Holy of Holies matric

[link to www.cropcircleconnector.com]

You can see the star of Ra in the above link

[link to i30.tinypic.com]

Also a possible postioning of the 12 tribes link, seen in the cube


Pic: The earliest Zodiacs used in the East were in square configuaration, like two overlaying Holy Rectangles. They match the concept of the Holy of Holies calculating matrix.
[link to i27.tinypic.com]

now that is interesting.....
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Interested in others Zodiacal signs and the tribes they supposedly descend from.

I'll start. Cancer--Issachar
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There is a whole swag of information in regards to Cancer and Issachar.

[link to search.yahoo.com]

Shoulnt be to hard to find conformation of the rest of the allocated zodiac signs to the tribes :)
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*title should be 13 tribes of israel, (not 12)
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Isn't 23 missing?
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*title should be 13 tribes of israel, (not 12)

Isn't 23 missing?
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23? please explain......
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*title should be 13 tribes of israel, (not 12)

Isn't 23 missing?


23? please explain......
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I spose it depends on the system being numbered, 13 is just part of one cycle, 23 possibly an other?.





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