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10 INDISPUTABLE PROOFS THAT BIRTHERS ARE RIGHT!

 
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First, in order to obtain a passport, for one example, one must provide “admissible, auditable citizenship documentation” to the U.S. Department of State. We know Obama has held a passport for many years, so we can be reasonably certain he provided that information originally (Do you have a passport? How did you get it without a birth certificate? I got a diplomatic speedy process, and I still had to provide a birth certificate . . .).

Propagandist-and-self-promoter-for-hire Jerome Corsi claims Obama didn’t travel on a U.S. passport, claiming results from an impossible Freedom of Information Act request to the U.S. State Department.

Obama’s passport is a matter of record (though privacy laws do not allow release of the passport itself, generally). Without evidence to the contrary, this presents a rebuttable presumption that Obama is a citizen. Does anyone else have information that the birth certificate Obama gave State was wrong? Obviously not — the BCOs don’t appear to have been aware such a thing was even required.

Second, one of the things State checked for when I applied for a passport (when I worked in the Senate) was my Selective Service Status. Hypothetically, they don’t want to grant a passport to someone who is not registered. Again, under the rules of civil procedure, we have a rebuttable presumption that Obama’s draft registration was fine when he traveled as a student. If it was fine then, absent a showing from anyone that there was a later event that made the draft registration invalid, we should assume that State did their job. As a pragmatic matter, the draft ended in the early 1970s, so there could be almost no issue that could have caused Obama’s draft status to change. It’s pretty clear that his draft registration is valid.

Third, Obama is a lawyer. In order to get a license to practice law, applicants must provide a certified copy of a birth certificate to the National Conference of Bar Examiners, in order to be eligible to take the bar exam. The National Conference then does a background investigation on all candidates, generally an investigation more thorough than the FBI’s checking for most federal appointees. In the past, the Conference has reported issues like minor drug use, preventing people from becoming lawyers in several states. Absent a showing by someone that the National Conference granted special waivers, or a showing of other irregularities, the fact that Obama held a license to practice law presents a rebuttable presumption that his birth certificate is valid exactly as he alleges, and that his draft status is legal. Obviously, the BCOs have no information to indicate any irregularity, since they were unaware of this check. We should assume, therefore, that Obama has a valid birth certificate and draft registration, since the Illinois Bar got a recommendation from the National Conference of Bar Examiners that Obama was morally fit to be a lawyer.

Fourth, Obama is a U.S. Senator. As a matter of standard operating procedure, the FBI does a thorough background check on every elected Member of Congress, to certify that they are eligible for top secret clearance, since every member will be seeing national secrets. Occasionally these checks produce questions, which are usually resolved by the Rules Committee of each house. There is no record of any proceeding dealing with any irregularity in the background check for Sen. Obama. This means that there is a rebuttable presumption that the FBI was satisfied with Obama’s citizenship status, as well as his patriotism and ability to keep state secrets.

Furthermore, for members of the Armed Services, Intelligence oversight, and Foreign Relations Committees, there is a more thorough background check by the FBI, since many of these members will be seeing a lot of secrets, and many of them will be talking with foreign dignitaries and visiting foreign nations, and in other ways would have opportunities to pass state secrets to non-allies and even enemies of the U.S. The simple fact that Obama sat on the Foreign Relations Committee and was, in fact, chairman of the NATO subcommittee (which deals with secrets of many of the allies of the U.S.), creates a fourth rebuttable presumption that Obama’s citizenship status, draft status, patriotism and ability to wave the flag and sing the “Star-Spangled Banner” are above reproach.

Obviously, BCOs don’t have any information to suggest there is any problem with this tougher security clearance, and in fact appear to be wholly unaware that such an investigation had been done, or could be done.

Fifth, since the November 4 election, Sen. Obama has been getting the daily National Security briefiing that President Bush gets. This briefing includes our nation’s most precious secrets, and cannot be done, even for the president, without the CIA and Homeland Security verifying that the man is who he says he is.

BCOs have no information to overcome the several rebuttable presumptions that Obama’s credentials are in order, evidenced by their total lack of awareness that such procedures even exist.

So, in five ways, we have assurances that Obama is wholly legal and qualified to hold the office of the presidency. Neither TD’s commenter Carlyle nor any other BCO has any basis to question these federal and state agencies, nor have they suggested any irregularity in any one of these processes which would lead to the irrational conclusion that Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen, or not eligible to be president.

Sixth, Obama posted his birth certificate in June, on-line [archived version here]. Are these people Google impaired?

2. FACT – Against numerous attempts by journalists and courts to ask for such information, Obama has uniformaly resisted. One might even say beligerently so.

One might say that, but one would be prevaricating, belligerently. As noted above, Obama’s birth certificate is available on-line. So much for resistance. So far as we know, every reporter who asked was able to view the actual certificate with it’s stamp of authority from the State of Hawaii. Such analyses have been done, written about, and posted on-line. Are they Google AND Yahoo impaired?
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Any records and history can be made to look legitimate when one has worked with and has experience with the intelligence agencies. Why has he spent several million in legal fees, trying to keep his history covered up?
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The passport issue:

[link to www.washingtontimes.com]

A key witness in a federal probe into passport information stolen from the State Department was fatally shot in front of a District church, the Metropolitan Police Department said yesterday.

Lt. Quarles Harris Jr., 24, who had been cooperating with a federal investigators, was found late Thursday night slumped dead inside a car,.....

...The Washington Times reported April 5 that contractors for the State Department had improperly accessed passport information for presidential candidates Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and John McCain, which resulted in a series of firings that reached into the agency's top ranks.



As far as being a lawyer, why has he let his license lapse? Also the investigation before being admitted to the bar and drug use...he admitted to drug use in Dreams from My Father. Obama, Barack. Dreams from My Father: A
Story of Race and Inheritance. New York: Three Rivers Press, 1995. In that book he admitted, "Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though." pp. 93–94. The Respondent knew that his activities were illegal. The drug use occurred from as early as high school at least until he completed his
bachelors degree in New York City. He entered law school in 1988, living in and traveling in Somerville and Cambridge. He graduated from law school in 1991. [link to factsfirstok.blogspot.com]

As far as background checks for Congress, anyone can be a politician even a felon, it is up to the voters and the other candidate to find out if the person elected is an honorable, ethical person, there is nothing to stop a felon from being in Congress. As a matter of fact the percentage of "felons" in one workplace (Congress is ludicrous). [link to www.investmentnews.com]

[link to www.captiveamerican.com]

..You might remember Rep. Jefferson as the fellow who stashed $90,000 in bribery money in a freezer. That minor stain on his record didn’t prevent his reelection in 2006. And it didn’t stop him again last night. He won 56% of the vote.

Okay, maybe in 2006 Jefferson’s constituents didn’t believe his “cold cash” was enough reason to put him out to pasture. (Maybe they thought it was all for gumbo or crawfish etouffee.) But it turns out that incident was just the beginning of Jefferson’s hokey-pokey with the good side of the law.....


So please don't play that Congress is a bastion of upstanding citizens.
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skull_fing



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Please elaborate.
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yeah it was nothing but some Islamic take over of this country.. 0bama is the biggest sleeper cell in history.. like the Trojan horse.. only this time the horse is called Thunder that's pronounced Broroc in Arabic.. if any one interested.
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Whether birthers are right or not is irrelevant to anything. When is everyone going to wake up and realize that the "UNITED STATES" (Government) is a corporation created in 1865-1867 (not sure the exact date)just after the civil war. The "UNITED STATES" (Government) that you grew up to know and love IS NOT the government created under the Constitution.

This de Facto government everyone calls the "UNITED STATES" is simply a for profit corporation. Government officials DO NOT work for the "people" they work for the sole purpose of the corporation and it's survival and power.

The 'President' of this corporation does not need to be a 'natural born citizen' he/she can be anyone the corporation so chooses. You are all just being sucked into believing that you actually voted for someone, when the majority of officials are pre-determined. Those not so chosen are then bribed as it becomes financially prudent to go along with the corporation. The rest is just a show to keep you all believing you can fix the problem by elections, BULL S**T, you can't. This corporation is so corrupt they would K*LL you as to actually have to deal with you.

The birther issue will never amount to anything because you are NOT dealing with the constitutional government, you are dealing with a for profit corporation just like any other corporation, just more power over you.. You are their slave.. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!!
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The passport issue:

[link to www.washingtontimes.com]

A key witness in a federal probe into passport information stolen from the State Department was fatally shot in front of a District church, the Metropolitan Police Department said yesterday.

Lt. Quarles Harris Jr., 24, who had been cooperating with a federal investigators, was found late Thursday night slumped dead inside a car,.....

...The Washington Times reported April 5 that contractors for the State Department had improperly accessed passport information for presidential candidates Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and John McCain, which resulted in a series of firings that reached into the agency's top ranks.



As far as being a lawyer, why has he let his license lapse? Also the investigation before being admitted to the bar and drug use...he admitted to drug use in Dreams from My Father. Obama, Barack. Dreams from My Father: A
Story of Race and Inheritance. New York: Three Rivers Press, 1995. In that book he admitted, "Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though." pp. 93–94. The Respondent knew that his activities were illegal. The drug use occurred from as early as high school at least until he completed his
bachelors degree in New York City. He entered law school in 1988, living in and traveling in Somerville and Cambridge. He graduated from law school in 1991. [link to factsfirstok.blogspot.com]

As far as background checks for Congress, anyone can be a politician even a felon, it is up to the voters and the other candidate to find out if the person elected is an honorable, ethical person, there is nothing to stop a felon from being in Congress. As a matter of fact the percentage of "felons" in one workplace (Congress is ludicrous). [link to www.investmentnews.com]

[link to www.captiveamerican.com]

..You might remember Rep. Jefferson as the fellow who stashed $90,000 in bribery money in a freezer. That minor stain on his record didn’t prevent his reelection in 2006. And it didn’t stop him again last night. He won 56% of the vote.

Okay, maybe in 2006 Jefferson’s constituents didn’t believe his “cold cash” was enough reason to put him out to pasture. (Maybe they thought it was all for gumbo or crawfish etouffee.) But it turns out that incident was just the beginning of Jefferson’s hokey-pokey with the good side of the law.....


So please don't play that Congress is a bastion of upstanding citizens.
 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes

seems it is a VERY SIGNIFICANT issue...

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“Here's a little tidbit for the Birthers.. David Vitter, as a Senator in the US Senate, has received a thorough FBI screening, a fact he is very aware of. The FBI screens all Federal office holders who may have access to top secret information or be on committees dealing with National Security issues. Any legitimate candidate for President undergoes the same thorough FBI background check. This involves verification of documents, PLACE OF BIRTH, associations, resume, interviews with former classmates, colleagues, clubs, relationships, job history, awards, military service, etc.

Any fool can twist all this into some grand conspiracy, but the fact is, the FBI has checked the President prior to his Inauguration. Vitter knows this, he's just sucking up to his base. If anyone doubts this, call the FBI's information office and ask. They won't tell you if "President Obama" has had a background check because it's confidential. You have to ask if ALL presidents get an FBI background check.

If you think yo are smarter than one of the most powerful law enforcement agencies in the world than you may want to refrain from holding sharp utensils and resign yourself to watching reruns of "Walker, Texas Ranger" in your Snuggy and eating baby food. The next move is to make these frivolous lawsuits illegal, and a contempt of court, then jail and fine the perpetrators.”

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[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

“Here's a little tidbit for the Birthers.. David Vitter, as a Senator in the US Senate, has received a thorough FBI screening, a fact he is very aware of. The FBI screens all Federal office holders who may have access to top secret information or be on committees dealing with National Security issues. Any legitimate candidate for President undergoes the same thorough FBI background check. This involves verification of documents, PLACE OF BIRTH, associations, resume, interviews with former classmates, colleagues, clubs, relationships, job history, awards, military service, etc.

Any fool can twist all this into some grand conspiracy, but the fact is, the FBI has checked the President prior to his Inauguration. Vitter knows this, he's just sucking up to his base. If anyone doubts this, call the FBI's information office and ask. They won't tell you if "President Obama" has had a background check because it's confidential. You have to ask if ALL presidents get an FBI background check.

If you think yo are smarter than one of the most powerful law enforcement agencies in the world than you may want to refrain from holding sharp utensils and resign yourself to watching reruns of "Walker, Texas Ranger" in your Snuggy and eating baby food. The next move is to make these frivolous lawsuits illegal, and a contempt of court, then jail and fine the perpetrators.”

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Yeah, the same FBI that missed 9/11, the same FBI that has turned into the laughingstock of the world. The same FBI that has been infiltrated by Islamic Radicals, the same FBI that still won't tell us the truth about Kennedy?

Obama was a manchurian candidate.

He is now the imposter in chief.

Someday this will all come to light and he will be sitting next to Bernie Madoff(who the FBI missed for 20 fuckin' years)
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[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

“Here's a little tidbit for the Birthers.. David Vitter, as a Senator in the US Senate, has received a thorough FBI screening, a fact he is very aware of. The FBI screens all Federal office holders who may have access to top secret information or be on committees dealing with National Security issues. Any legitimate candidate for President undergoes the same thorough FBI background check. This involves verification of documents, PLACE OF BIRTH, associations, resume, interviews with former classmates, colleagues, clubs, relationships, job history, awards, military service, etc.

Any fool can twist all this into some grand conspiracy, but the fact is, the FBI has checked the President prior to his Inauguration. Vitter knows this, he's just sucking up to his base. If anyone doubts this, call the FBI's information office and ask. They won't tell you if "President Obama" has had a background check because it's confidential. You have to ask if ALL presidents get an FBI background check.

If you think yo are smarter than one of the most powerful law enforcement agencies in the world than you may want to refrain from holding sharp utensils and resign yourself to watching reruns of "Walker, Texas Ranger" in your Snuggy and eating baby food. The next move is to make these frivolous lawsuits illegal, and a contempt of court, then jail and fine the perpetrators.”

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 837284


Care to explain why there are so many felons in Congress?

Care to explain how Obama passed the normal background check/security screening when he is known to have associated with Khalidi, Ayers, Rezko, et al? Let's not forget his admitted drug use as well as traveling to Pakistan for what reason? Those associations would have precluded him from any ordinary civil service job EXCEPT as an elected representative.

[link to govcentral.monster.com]

Here is a Congressman stating that Congress and Obama's Czar's should have background checks...kind of negates your article.

[link to www.breitbart.tv]
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Care to explain why there are so many felons in Congress?

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Isn't the usa founded by criminals, and was used as a penal colony by the brits and the french for years?

Also, what's this whole 'birthing' thing?
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Care to explain why there are so many felons in Congress?



Isn't the usa founded by criminals, and was used as a penal colony by the brits and the french for years?

Also, what's this whole 'birthing' thing?
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No, that was Australia.

The US was founded by those escaping religious persecution in Great Britain (the Puritans).


The whole "birthing" thing is the assertion that Obama is not a natural born citizen therefore not eligible to be President.

My whole take is that he is not natural born as both parents were not citizens of the US when he was born (in keeping with De Vattel's treatise "Law of Nations..." [link to www.lonang.com] ).

The whole "felons" in Congress is really quite remarkable and the assertions that they go through a comprehensive background check laughable. If our elected officials had to go through the same type of background check as other civil servants the halls of Congress would be empty.
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10 reasons??? haha I''ll give you 1 reason that proves birthers are WRONG. THE JUDGE SAID SO. HAHAHAHAHA IDIOTS.

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