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fallen away catholcs/anti-catholics repeatedly say - Church teaching..ie: the Truth...is a means to control people

 
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fallen away catholcs/anti-catholics repeatedly say - Church teaching..ie: the Truth...is a means to control people
You read it stated so often at GLP.
How ridiculous, the Church has no power over any of us.

...taken from a piece about Milton's Paradise
Lost entitled TOP TEN QUOTES FROM PARADISE LOST



4:518-520

do they only stand

By ignorance, is that their happy state,

The proof of their obedience and their faith?


Storyline:

Satan has entered Godís new creation and has found it more wonderful than he imagined. With a certain amount of effort he must persuade himself to continue his mission to corrupt earth. When he sees Man and overhears Godís warning about the Tree of Life, Satan reflects on his own lost state of bliss and suggests that God uses Manís ignorance to keep them subservient. What riles Satan is that they are rewarded for their imposed obedience with happiness and immortality.

Relevance:

This is an ironic passage because John Milton was not a Catholic. In fact, Paradise Lost contains a few lines that speak quite critically of the Church. The irony is that the question that Satan asks is the same that many people ask when challenging Papal authority. They suggest that, rather than think for themselves, Catholics blindly follow the Pope wherever he leads. But a Catholic who takes his faith seriously is informed and educated, not blind. And just as Adam and Eve were created with a nature sufficient to have stood, but free to fall (PL III:99), so the Church guides us with direction that is just and right and we are free to fall away and accept the consequences. Quite opposite to this criticism, the Church has always taught that it is our responsibility to learn the Faith and that we can be held accountable for our ignorance. Blind faith will save no one.


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Re: fallen away catholcs/anti-catholics repeatedly say - Church teaching..ie: the Truth...is a means to control people
HUH??????
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Re: fallen away catholcs/anti-catholics repeatedly say - Church teaching..ie: the Truth...is a means to control people
Any Catholic (presuming that you mean Roman Cathoic) would find out that the Eastern Orthodox Church, says the other is heterdoxy, radicals and unorthodox in Church Teachings and Dogma. Go read Wikipedia about the Eastern Orthodox Church and know that Russia has made so many mistakes, along with others in religion that all may end up going to Hell, for physicalness is still what humans are, along with Spirit and to deny what it is that these Leaders are doing, reeks of anything called religion.

They think they condemn people instead of God. How foolish of them?
The Bishop of Rome is an equal and respected Bishop the same as all the other Bishops, not someone who declares that Peter was the Best Apostle and appointed by God, or Jesus Christ. Maybe he just was not the best Apostle, and Judas Icarhiot (spelling?) was worse and ended his life.
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Re: fallen away catholcs/anti-catholics repeatedly say - Church teaching..ie: the Truth...is a means to control people
the roman catholic church is a false-witness.
Has nothing to do with "controlling people.
the rcc is all about keeping The Truth; that men can Know God Personally and Directly, hidden and occluded.

catholics don't need God.
motherchurch saw to that.
they don't need The Bible.
motherchurch gave them catechism and the missal.


Martin Luther stated that had motherchurch/rome agreed that "Through The Gospels, Men Could Have Direct and Personal Relationship With God", he would have reuninoned with rome and happily remained a catholic.

Of course, rome could not admit this. the rcc became perverted in 300 AD and lost its way. Carnal motivations and satanic allegiance are the reasons the roman catholic hierarchy deny Christ and The Father...


The Christian denominations are not much better; just not as developed in hierarchical blasphemy. Yet, now that all mainline Christian denominations (Except Baptist) have Re-Unioned With Rome, you can see how denominationalism and religion itself leads to falling away...


As a former-catholic who gave his life to God without reservation, I can witness that I was never Given to reunion with the church. Until I came to Know The Father Directly and Personally, I was very committed and studied in why and how catholicism was "correct". Such is because I was carnal and had never been exposed to an awareness that God Wants To Know us Directly...

catholicism is the perfect cult and dysfunction. All the cultism and dysfunction is laid at God's door, when nothing on earth is further away from HIS Truth!

the rcc understands fear is the most powerful motivator of those who remain carnal-hearted. It takes surrender and Trusting God Completely to become Born-Again In-HIM and that is something that the rcc does not acknowledge much less promote. Who then does the rcc serve if it is not Serving The Father?

If you are not In-Service Unto The Father,
If you Don't Know HIM, yet you give false-witness and teach HIS Innocents falsely; then you are serving HIS enemy...

Such are the circumstances surrounding roman catholicism and other denominations.

Soon, Christ Jesus Will Be Returned and all will Know!
Maranatha!!!
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Re: fallen away catholcs/anti-catholics repeatedly say - Church teaching..ie: the Truth...is a means to control people
the roman catholic church is a false-witness.
Has nothing to do with "controlling people.
the rcc is all about keeping The Truth; that men can Know God Personally and Directly, hidden and occluded.

catholics don't need God.
motherchurch saw to that.
they don't need The Bible.
motherchurch gave them catechism and the missal.


Martin Luther
stated that had motherchurch/rome agreed that "Through The Gospels, Men Could Have Direct and Personal Relationship With God", he would have reuninoned with rome and happily remained a catholic.

Of course, rome could not admit this. the rcc became perverted in 300 AD and lost its way. Carnal motivations and satanic allegiance are the reasons the roman catholic hierarchy deny Christ and The Father...


The Christian denominations are not much better; just not as developed in hierarchical blasphemy. Yet, now that all mainline Christian denominations (Except Baptist) have Re-Unioned With Rome, you can see how denominationalism and religion itself leads to falling away...


As a former-catholic
who gave his life to God without reservation, I can witness that I was never Given to reunion with the church. Until I came to Know The Father Directly and Personally, I was very committed and studied in why and how catholicism was "correct". Such is because I was carnal and had never been exposed to an awareness that God Wants To Know us Directly...

catholicism is the perfect cult and dysfunction. All the cultism and dysfunction is laid at God's door, when nothing on earth is further away from HIS Truth!

the rcc understands fear
is the most powerful motivator of those who remain carnal-hearted. It takes surrender and Trusting God Completely to become Born-Again In-HIM and that is something that the rcc does not acknowledge much less promote. Who then does the rcc serve if it is not Serving The Father?

If you are not In-Service Unto The Father,
If you Don't Know HIM, yet you give false-witness and teach HIS Innocents falsely; then you are serving HIS enemy...

Such are the circumstances surrounding roman catholicism and other denominations.

Soon, Christ Jesus Will Be Returned and all will Know!
Maranatha!!!
 Quoting: Lester


Hi Lester,

Ah, that "fear" tactic which is false. We have free will,
we decide if we wish to follow the teachings of the Church.
which contain the fullness of God's revelation.

Your wrong Lester, you can't follow a man, Martin Luther,
received no divine revelation. Did you every read
besides his made up...from his own mind doctrines...his
personal quotes? You would run far away from Protestantism.

You want to be your own Pope. YOU decide your own justification. It's easier, I'll give you that....

You are improving though...coming closer to Christ because I didn't notice and vulgar or cursing language in your post.

Come home. Jesus is there in the Holy Eucharist.
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Re: fallen away catholcs/anti-catholics repeatedly say - Church teaching..ie: the Truth...is a means to control people
A correction, I meant to type You are wrong or You're wrong.



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Re: fallen away catholcs/anti-catholics repeatedly say - Church teaching..ie: the Truth...is a means to control people
Any Catholic (presuming that you mean Roman Cathoic) would find out that the Eastern Orthodox Church, says the other is heterdoxy, radicals and unorthodox in Church Teachings and Dogma. Go read Wikipedia about the Eastern Orthodox Church and know that Russia has made so many mistakes, along with others in religion that all may end up going to Hell, for physicalness is still what humans are, along with Spirit and to deny what it is that these Leaders are doing, reeks of anything called religion.

They think they condemn people instead of God. How foolish of them?
The Bishop of Rome is an equal and respected Bishop the same as all the other Bishops, not someone who declares that Peter was the Best Apostle and appointed by God, or Jesus Christ. Maybe he just was not the best Apostle, and Judas Icarhiot (spelling?) was worse and ended his life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 609353


You will understand at the time of the Great Warning.

Fact, Peter was leader of the Apostles, Christ made him
head of the Church (Matthew 16:18). The Eastern Orthodox Church broke away from the Roman Catholic Church denying the primacy of Peter the first Pope and His successors.

I can share a message from Heaven, Jesus is going to gather together, unite Christians very soon. Protestantism and
the Orthodox will come home to the Roman Catholic Church.

It's not supposed Church power or fear as anti-Catholics say, it is our free will choice to choose to follow the teachings of the Church. She has the fullness of Truth.
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Re: fallen away catholcs/anti-catholics repeatedly say - Church teaching..ie: the Truth...is a means to control people
You read it stated so often at GLP.
How ridiculous, the Church has no power over any of us.

...taken from a piece about Milton's Paradise
Lost entitled TOP TEN QUOTES FROM PARADISE LOST



4:518-520

do they only stand

By ignorance, is that their happy state,

The proof of their obedience and their faith?


Storyline:

Satan has entered Godís new creation and has found it more wonderful than he imagined. With a certain amount of effort he must persuade himself to continue his mission to corrupt earth. When he sees Man and overhears Godís warning about the Tree of Life, Satan reflects on his own lost state of bliss and suggests that God uses Manís ignorance to keep them subservient. What riles Satan is that they are rewarded for their imposed obedience with happiness and immortality.

Relevance:

This is an ironic passage because John Milton was not a Catholic. In fact, Paradise Lost contains a few lines that speak quite critically of the Church. The irony is that the question that Satan asks is the same that many people ask when challenging Papal authority. They suggest that, rather than think for themselves, Catholics blindly follow the Pope wherever he leads. But a Catholic who takes his faith seriously is informed and educated, not blind. And just as Adam and Eve were created with a nature sufficient to have stood, but free to fall (PL III:99), so the Church guides us with direction that is just and right and we are free to fall away and accept the consequences. Quite opposite to this criticism, the Church has always taught that it is our responsibility to learn the Faith and that we can be held accountable for our ignorance. Blind faith will save no one.


[link to cantuar.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1032377


Blind faith is what your "Church" has taught for well over a thousand years. Hell, for a very long time, you could be executed for reading the Bible, unless you were a nobleman or a priest.

You guys are finished.
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Re: fallen away catholcs/anti-catholics repeatedly say - Church teaching..ie: the Truth...is a means to control people
You read it stated so often at GLP.
How ridiculous, the Church has no power over any of us.

...taken from a piece about Milton's Paradise
Lost entitled TOP TEN QUOTES FROM PARADISE LOST



4:518-520

do they only stand

By ignorance, is that their happy state,

The proof of their obedience and their faith?


Storyline:

Satan has entered Godís new creation and has found it more wonderful than he imagined. With a certain amount of effort he must persuade himself to continue his mission to corrupt earth. When he sees Man and overhears Godís warning about the Tree of Life, Satan reflects on his own lost state of bliss and suggests that God uses Manís ignorance to keep them subservient. What riles Satan is that they are rewarded for their imposed obedience with happiness and immortality.

Relevance:

This is an ironic passage because John Milton was not a Catholic. In fact, Paradise Lost contains a few lines that speak quite critically of the Church. The irony is that the question that Satan asks is the same that many people ask when challenging Papal authority. They suggest that, rather than think for themselves, Catholics blindly follow the Pope wherever he leads. But a Catholic who takes his faith seriously is informed and educated, not blind. And just as Adam and Eve were created with a nature sufficient to have stood, but free to fall (PL III:99), so the Church guides us with direction that is just and right and we are free to fall away and accept the consequences. Quite opposite to this criticism, the Church has always taught that it is our responsibility to learn the Faith and that we can be held accountable for our ignorance. Blind faith will save no one.


[link to cantuar.blogspot.com]


Blind faith is what your "Church" has taught for well over a thousand years.
Hell, for a very long time, you could be executed for reading the Bible, unless you were a nobleman or a priest.

You guys are finished.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 849651


Thanks for the half way confirmation, the RCC is a little over 2000 years old. No other Christian community can say this. Please, don't have a chip on your shoulder about the
Church, just keep an open mind and heart from now on...

Say, "If God shows me personally the RCC is His Church,
I am going accept His "awakening."

Faith is what God asks of us, Jesus wants you to believe that He is there present in the sacred consecrated host.
I don't see a change but I believe because Jesus said
it. This is My body.
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Re: fallen away catholcs/anti-catholics repeatedly say - Church teaching..ie: the Truth...is a means to control people
Thanks for the half way confirmation, the RCC is a little over 2000 years old. No other Christian community can say this. Please, don't have a chip on your shoulder about the
Church, just keep an open mind and heart from now on...

Say, "If God shows me personally the RCC is His Church,
I am going accept His "awakening."

Faith is what God asks of us, Jesus wants you to believe that He is there present in the sacred consecrated host.
I don't see a change but I believe because Jesus said
it. This is My body.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1032377


There are older sects that still remain, despite repeated Catholic genocides. And of course you guys killed everybody who wouldn't kiss the pope's brass ring.

Trust me, I do not want to be part of your church. I want to keep my asshole unraped by priests.
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There are older sects that still remain, despite repeated Catholic genocides. And of course you guys killed everybody who wouldn't kiss the pope's brass ring.

Trust me, I do not want to be part of your church. I want to keep my asshole unraped by priests.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 849651


One more time, it's tiring to hear of the scandal. The homosexual scandal in the priesthood involves a few priests, there are many more good priests. What do you expect, homosexual marriage is legal in some states! Those unnatural couples are using woman. Paying them a great sum of money to practice another grave sin, Invetro...so two men can be mom and dad! Is it crazy enough yet?

And this is a spiritual fact, Satan knows how to get to Heaven, the evil one believes in the priesthood and God's gift given priests to bring down His grace to the world. Who is Satan going to attack more?

The Roman Catholic Church is not a sect. Stop reading and believing anti-Catholic venom. The Church is the most
persecuted so that should be a sign to you. Read Catholic writing instead, read a Catholic Bible, www.drbo.org. So much is on line, the Catechism and stories of the saints, St. Pio is a one maybe, to change your heart.

I think you are going to become a Roman Catholic. Christianity started this way and Jesus is going to bring all of the divided together. You say no know but watch
and see. Remember.
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Re: fallen away catholcs/anti-catholics repeatedly say - Church teaching..ie: the Truth...is a means to control people
The church is the people,where two or more are gathered in my name that is my church, the Christ.The institution of Rome ruled by the pope is the great harlot of revelation,which had power over kingdoms, it was an empire which was to save the romans. They turned thier empire from a military one to a religious one,and carried on conquering,and robbing nations to build thier grand institution the vatigan.So if you think about it and look at the history of it,and remember what Christ said, you come to me of your own free will,or you dont come, so what right did they have murdering people who did not share in thier opinion.It is the house of Satan,which has deceived the nations. The truth,Love Selly

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