Why are there forgeries in the bible? | |
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| Full Circle User ID: 1036877 07/15/2010 11:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because those are the books allowed in that supported the agenda of the time. I've even read books where John is a rebuttal to the gospel of Thomas. They allowed in books that bolstered their case for Jesus' divinity. Paul was completely misinterpreted from that point on. Born into this World We create echoes of our inward yearnings And Shift along the Axis From matter to Spirit - Scott Mutter |
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| SmartestOne User ID: 1016633 07/15/2010 11:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well that depends on WHO is doing the authenticating. Many believe, for example, that Paul was a heretic and that his entire "gospel" should be thrown out!! So much for your seven "authentic" books. ~The most plagiarized poster on GLP!~ Paultards started the war, but I won it! Ron Paul: Pro Amnesty [link to teapartywest.com] Ron Paul's Golden Globalism [link to killtheempire.blogspot.com] Paul Supports Globalization and One World Currency [link to libertyrevival.wordpress.com] Ron Paul Gives "Horned Hand" Sign [link to troyspace2.wordpress.com] Ron Paul Flashing Satanic Hand Signs [link to ssl.scroogle.org (secure)] Ron Paul Gives Masonic Handshake /Decades in DC = HIGH-DEGREE Freemason [link to freemasonry-watch.blogspot.com] Ron Paul and the Jesuits [link to www.spirituallysmart.com] Devvy Kidd Rips Paul a New One [link to www.newswithviews.com] Paul always talks about LIBERTY, hardly ever FREEDOM. What "LIBERTY" Means to Freemasons [link to www.texemarrs.com] Lewis Lehrman, Paul's coauthor: Yale grad, Woodrow Wilson Fellow at Harvard, Knight of Malta [link to revoltnow.wetpaint.com] Paul's Austrian School of Economics hero, Ludwig Von Mises, participant in Pan European Union movement and sponsored by Rockefeller [link to watch.pair.com] Paul camp hires NEOCON ZIONIST FASCIST "PIMP" LOBBYIST Bruce Fein [link to www.boilingfrogspost.com] Ron Paul Descended from Knights Templar and Nazis [link to imageshack.us] *The USA has NOT BEEN HIJACKED! Learn the TRUTH! 200+ years of LIES AND DECEPTION unmasked! Discount for GLP posters! Contact me for details* Your ignorance does not constitute "craziness" on the part of others. Let's talk Freemasonry! I'm armed with Pike, Mackey, and Hall. |
| SmartestOne User ID: 1016633 07/15/2010 11:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well that depends on WHO is doing the authenticating. Many believe, for example, that Paul was a heretic and that his entire "gospel" should be thrown out!! So much for your seven "authentic" books. ~The most plagiarized poster on GLP!~ Paultards started the war, but I won it! Ron Paul: Pro Amnesty [link to teapartywest.com] Ron Paul's Golden Globalism [link to killtheempire.blogspot.com] Paul Supports Globalization and One World Currency [link to libertyrevival.wordpress.com] Ron Paul Gives "Horned Hand" Sign [link to troyspace2.wordpress.com] Ron Paul Flashing Satanic Hand Signs [link to ssl.scroogle.org (secure)] Ron Paul Gives Masonic Handshake /Decades in DC = HIGH-DEGREE Freemason [link to freemasonry-watch.blogspot.com] Ron Paul and the Jesuits [link to www.spirituallysmart.com] Devvy Kidd Rips Paul a New One [link to www.newswithviews.com] Paul always talks about LIBERTY, hardly ever FREEDOM. What "LIBERTY" Means to Freemasons [link to www.texemarrs.com] Lewis Lehrman, Paul's coauthor: Yale grad, Woodrow Wilson Fellow at Harvard, Knight of Malta [link to revoltnow.wetpaint.com] Paul's Austrian School of Economics hero, Ludwig Von Mises, participant in Pan European Union movement and sponsored by Rockefeller [link to watch.pair.com] Paul camp hires NEOCON ZIONIST FASCIST "PIMP" LOBBYIST Bruce Fein [link to www.boilingfrogspost.com] Ron Paul Descended from Knights Templar and Nazis [link to imageshack.us] *The USA has NOT BEEN HIJACKED! Learn the TRUTH! 200+ years of LIES AND DECEPTION unmasked! Discount for GLP posters! Contact me for details* Your ignorance does not constitute "craziness" on the part of others. Let's talk Freemasonry! I'm armed with Pike, Mackey, and Hall. |
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| ven User ID: 1036414 07/15/2010 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some Catholics and Freemasons hate the Bible. They used to burn it now they just slander. You just need to get your info on the Bible from a scholarly Christian and not an atheist or Catholic. Catholics have church and tradition over the bible. Wasn't the New Testament written hundreds of years after Christ? Though some say that the New Testament was written 100-300 years after Christ died, the truth is that it was written before the close of the first century by those who either knew Christ personally, had encountered him, or were under the direction of those who were His disciples. In the article When were the gospels written and by whom?, I demonstrated that Matthew, Mark, and Luke were all written before 70 A.D. Basically, the book of Acts was written by Luke. Since Acts 1:1-2 mentions that it is the second writing of Luke, the gospel of Luke was written even earlier. Revelation The author of the Book of Revelation is John. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John," (Rev. 1:1). Justin Martyr (Dialogue with Trypho, p. 308) (A.D.. 139–161) quotes from the Apocalypse, as John the apostle’s work. Revelation was probably written at the end of John the Apostle's life. Some hold to the 90's and it is the last book written in the New Testament. [link to www.carm.org] These books as found in todays canon of the King James NT were agreed upon as scripture, and no other, in the second century or earlier as they became available. Fact #1) The fact of the four-fold gospel is reflected in the "Muratorian Fragment" that Irenaeus was writing, around 170 A.D. The Muratorian Fragment lists for us basically the whole New Testament canon and it shows us that the four-fold gospel was an established fact by then. [link to www.newworldencyclopedia.org] Fact #2) We have approximately 50 manuscripts of the New Testament that pre-date the Roman takeover of the established church in the 4th century. Fact #3) We have more than 32 THOUSAND New Testament quotations from the early church writers of the 2nd and 3rd centuries. In fact, we could recreate virtually the entire New Testament just from the quotes of the early church writers of the 2nd and 3rd centuries. We can be quite certain that the New Testament we have today has come down to us just as it was from the earliest days, and we can be quite certain what they considered to be scripture. [link to www.carm.org] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1029779 07/16/2010 01:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: ven 1036414 From THEIR ^^^^ "Statement of Faith": Man's Condition: Man is fallen, corrupt, and wicked. Man believes in God by God's grace through faith (John 6:28-29; 15:5; Phil. 1:29), is unable to come close to God through his own efforts (John 6:44; Rom. 3:10-12), nor can he understand the spiritual things of God on his own (1 Cor. 2:14; Rom. 8:7), nor can he earn salvation by his attempt at good works (Eph. 2:8-9; Rom. 4:1-6), nor once saved does he maintain his salvation by his works (Gal. 3:1-3). Eternal punishment in hell and separation from the blessed presence of God are the consequences of the unregenerate person's sinfulness who has not trusted in the redemptive sacrificial work of Christ on the cross (Eph. 2:1-3; Rom. 6:23). "Christianity" DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS THE LAW OF ALMIGHTY GOD: "11 “What are your multiplied sacrifices to Me?” Says God. “I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams And the fat of fed cattle; And I take no pleasure in the blood of bulls, lambs or goats. 12 “When you come to appear before Me, Who requires of you this trampling of My courts? 13 “Bring your worthless offerings no longer, Incense is an abomination to Me. New moon and sabbath, the calling of assemblies— I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly. 14 “I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts, They have become a burden to Me; I am weary of bearing them. 15 “So when you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide My eyes from you; Yes, even though you multiply prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are covered with blood. 16 “Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight. Cease to do evil, 17 Learn to do good; Seek justice, Reprove the ruthless, Defend the orphan, Plead for the widow." Isaiah 1:11-17 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 739044 07/16/2010 01:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the Bible is a guide to live by, but not every word to be believed without question. A lot of it was written for the times. I don't think God dictated it to anybody. It's useful because it tells us about the life and sayings of Jesus. It was edited by the Catholic church who decided what to put in and leave out from all the different Christian writings that were around at the time. That is why I think it's weird when people argue that the Catholic church doesn't follow the Bible on everything. What difference does it make? It was their book to begin with and they decided what went in. They could just as easily have put in other writings and left other stuff out. That is not to say the Catholic Church doesn't have stuff wrong with it, but I'm not Catholic so I don't really care. The New Testament is the only part that matters really for Christians. The OT contained a lot of pagan stuff that the Jews of the time still believed in. So I don't see the point in quibbling over it. I think people should just follow the Ten Commandments and the words of Jesus and not worry about the rest of it. It's really very simple. |