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If there are only 144,000 'saved' what happens to the millions of Christians in the USA who follow Jesus?......

 
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No really, im intrigued......

And PS In the Mayan calendar, a baktun is a period of 144,000 days. Just thought id throw that out there......
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The 144,000 is not referring to the total number of souls saved. It refers to the number saved at the end of days. This is probably the number saved just after the Great Tribulation (the Three Days of Darkness) where the majority of the world's remaing population at that time will be killed.
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You might like this also...

"The Little Number Who Are Saved" sermon by St. Leonard of Port Maurice

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It is not vain curiosity but salutary precaution to proclaim from the height of the pulpit certain truths which serve wonderfully to contain the indolence of libertines, who are always talking about the mercy of God and about how easy it is to convert, who live plunged in all sorts of sins and are soundly sleeping on the road to hell. To disillusion them and waken them from their torpor, today let us examine this great question: Is the number of Christians who are saved greater than the number of Christians who are damned?

Pious souls, you may leave; this sermon is not for you. Its sole purpose is to contain the pride of libertines who cast the holy fear of God out of their heart and join forces with the devil who, according to the sentiment of Eusebius, damns souls by reassuring them. To resolve this doubt, let us put the Fathers of the Church, both Greek and Latin, on one side; on the other, the most learned theologians and erudite historians; and let us put the Bible in the middle for all to see. Now listen not to what I will say to you – for I have already told you that I do not want to speak for myself or decide on the matter – but listen to what these great minds have to tell you, they who are beacons in the Church of God to give light to others so that they will not miss the road to heaven. In this manner, guided by the triple light of faith, authority and reason, we will be able to resolve this grave matter with certainty.

Note well that there is no question here of the human race taken as a whole, nor of all Catholics taken without distinction, but only of Catholic adults, who have free choice and are thus capable of cooperating in the great matter of their salvation. First let us consult the theologians recognized as examining things most carefully and as not exaggerating in their teaching: let us listen to two learned cardinals, Cajetan and Bellarmine. They teach that the greater number of Christian adults are damned, and if I had the time to point out the reasons upon which they base themselves, you would be convinced of it yourselves. But I will limit myself here to quoting Suarez. After consulting all the theologians and making a diligent study of the matter, he wrote, "The most common sentiment which is held is that, among Christians, there are more damned souls than predestined souls."
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What's so important about "belief" in Jesus?

And what does "belief" mean"?

That he was God's only Son? What's so important about that, even if the string of words makes sense (which I doubt)?

I don't reject God because I don't - like the rest of the other religions of the world - accept that God had only one son, as Christians claim. So why should I be punished for not being a Christian?

What kind of God is it that you Christians believe in who punishes those who don't believe the particular spin you put on Jesus?

You are infantile.
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You make up a straw dummy and then attack it because you do not like it. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that your are going to be punished for rejecting God. It says you will be cast into outer darkness for rejecting God. Because you have rejected him, you then have the opportunity to be without him for all eternity. Let's face it, that is what you believed in the first place, so that is what you are entitled to.
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No really, im intrigued......

And PS In the Mayan calendar, a baktun is a period of 144,000 days. Just thought id throw that out there......



The 144,000 is not referring to the total number of souls saved. It refers to the number saved at the end of days. This is probably the number saved just after the Great Tribulation (the Three Days of Darkness) where the majority of the world's remaing population at that time will be killed.
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Why do you make crazy shit like that up?

The Bible is very specific on this issue. The 144,000 will be Jews who will be overwhelmingly powerful evangelists.

Jesus will be sealed on their foreheads. (i.e. phylacteries on their forehead) So they will teach of Jesus to the world from a Jewish perspective.

You might say that they will be like 144,000 Billy Grahams.
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No really, im intrigued......

And PS In the Mayan calendar, a baktun is a period of 144,000 days. Just thought id throw that out there......
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Your first problem is that you believe the fairy tales that make up religion.
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No really, im intrigued......
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Most people will disagree with this, which is fine. But since you asked:

The 144,000 are the saints to be redeemed from the old covenant. The multitude that it speaks of later are to be redeemed from the new covenant. It is as simple as that.

Scripture to support this:

Isaiah 54
1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.
2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
4 Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee.

This passage is explained in Hebrews....

Hebrews 4
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Read Jeremiah ch 3 if you are confused on who the desolate woman is and understand that Jesus came to restore that which was lost; the lost sheep of the house of Israel. It is a fulfillment of the promise made in this chapter. Romans 11 speaks to the same thing.

If you have never considered this, it is alot to take in and you will probably resist it at first. Give it some time, question it, read further and prove it out...it adds a tremendous depth to the framework of the gospel.

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All is made of light PHI 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 The never ending light... lol

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No really, im intrigued......

And PS In the Mayan calendar, a baktun is a period of 144,000 days. Just thought id throw that out there......



The 144,000 is not referring to the total number of souls saved. It refers to the number saved at the end of days. This is probably the number saved just after the Great Tribulation (the Three Days of Darkness) where the majority of the world's remaing population at that time will be killed.
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NO IT DOESN"T!!!

It is the exact number of virgin, male, Jewish men converted at the start of the Tribulation peroid. THEY will lead in a revival for 7 years where millions will come to Christ and be save.

READ THE BOOK!!!!
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All is made of light PHI 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 The never ending light... lol

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??????

12 x 12 =144. Your Point is ???????
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This post says it all.

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It's not 144,000 saved, but 144,000 cleansed in the tribulation and allowed to preach the gospel and not be hurt by the Beast. There will be other Christians, actually millions will turn to Christ in the tribulation, but these "elected 144,000" are like super heroes out to preach against the Beast and anointed by God.
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I believe the 144,000 are just what the Bible says they are. 12 men, from the 12 tribes....these will be sealed by the Holy Spirit...AFTER the church is removed from the earth, and these will teach and lead the survivors of the Great Tribulation into the millenial, which will be ruled by Yeshua.
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The 144,000 are Jewish, Virgin, Men. And, they are freshly saved...Messianic Jews. Jews that believe in Christ.

Revelation 7:4

4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:


Revelation 14 4:-5

4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God.
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the 144,000 is a johova witness claim that is taken out of context from revelation. That being said, most Christians, especially in the USA, aren't really Christians. They have never read the bible and jump behind Jesus because they feel it entitles them to hate and bigotry. Even Jesus said many will follow him that do not know him, and he will turn them away in the end.
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144,000 is half the speed of light

it is an encoded frequency and has nothing to do with actual humans

stupid Bible believers take it literal
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It's not 144,000 saved, but 144,000 cleansed in the tribulation and allowed to preach the gospel and not be hurt by the Beast. There will be other Christians, actually millions will turn to Christ in the tribulation, but these "elected 144,000" are like super heroes out to preach against the Beast and anointed by God.


I believe the 144,000 are just what the Bible says they are. 12 men, from the 12 tribes....these will be sealed by the Holy Spirit...AFTER the church is removed from the earth, and these will teach and lead the survivors of the Great Tribulation into the millenial, which will be ruled by Yeshua.
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12,ooo men from each tribe!

They will be Gods' spokesmen for 7 years leading many who have never heard the gospel to Christ.
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It's not 144,000 saved, but 144,000 cleansed in the tribulation and allowed to preach the gospel and not be hurt by the Beast. There will be other Christians, actually millions will turn to Christ in the tribulation, but these "elected 144,000" are like super heroes out to preach against the Beast and anointed by God.


I believe the 144,000 are just what the Bible says they are. 12 men, from the 12 tribes....these will be sealed by the Holy Spirit...AFTER the church is removed from the earth, and these will teach and lead the survivors of the Great Tribulation into the millenial, which will be ruled by Yeshua.


12,ooo men from each tribe!

They will be Gods' spokesmen for 7 years leading many who have never heard the gospel to Christ.
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Every nation has already heard the Gospel of salvation...it is in the scriptures.

The 144,000 will lead and teach those people who go into the millenium.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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It's not 144,000 saved, but 144,000 cleansed in the tribulation and allowed to preach the gospel and not be hurt by the Beast. There will be other Christians, actually millions will turn to Christ in the tribulation, but these "elected 144,000" are like super heroes out to preach against the Beast and anointed by God.


I believe the 144,000 are just what the Bible says they are. 12 men, from the 12 tribes....these will be sealed by the Holy Spirit...AFTER the church is removed from the earth, and these will teach and lead the survivors of the Great Tribulation into the millenial, which will be ruled by Yeshua.


12,ooo men from each tribe!

They will be Gods' spokesmen for 7 years leading many who have never heard the gospel to Christ.

Every nation has already heard the Gospel of salvation...it is in the scriptures.

The 144,000 will lead and teach those people who go into the millenium.
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I hear you, but there is just not any Scripture to support that.

There is a great multitude saved during the Tribulation and since the Holy Spirit is not endwelling believers at that time, the 2 witnessess are killed at the mid point, someone must be doing the preaching to the lost for that multitude to be saved.

To be saved in that day, one must meet and speak to one of these 144,000 AND REFUSE THE MARK OF THE BEAST.
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What does this matter to you?


If you Love Father and Son so much, why can't you Trust Father Fully, manifest your heart Unto HIM and make you surrender? After all, Christ Jesus IS The Way Unto The Father....

You either Know HIM or you do not.

If you can't Trust HIM Fully, you will remain alienated from HIM and this means you will live these Final Moments in deception; as Christ Witneses in matt 24:22-24

Only the very elect cannot be deceived.

You can't elect to Trust God Completely? Then, who are you to HIM? Jesus Witnesses that there will be those who knock at HIS Door and ask, "Lord, Lord open unto us for we have done great miracles In Your Name" HE tells them, "Depart from ME you workers of iniquity; I Know you not!"


Your life isn't about understanding what God IS Going To Do. Your life is about will you, won't you decide you can Trust HIM Completely and then take the action to make your surrender...

You can only Know HIS Will, once you Trust HIM Fully and accept HIS Will (whatever HIS Will may be) as what you want to Shape and Guide your life. Until you Know HIM, you can't Know HIS Will and it matters nothing to you; not really. Until you surrender you are nothing unlike the pharisees and saducees who conspired to murder Christ Jesus because they feared HIM as a threat to their iniquity and position.

Know HIM?
Then you Know that HE Enables you as Witnessed in Ezekiel 36:26-27.

Don't Know HIM? Then you know nothing...


Maranatha!!!
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One more time...

What is HE to you if you cannot Trust YahWeh, Father, Elohim completely?



If you cannot witness that you've been Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again, then you don't KNOW anything of God's Will or HIS Revealed Word In The Holy Scripture.

Will any of you here, hear this and testify/witness of your Born-Again experience? Unless you can witness that you Came Unto The Father and received HIS Heart of new flesh then you are commenting upon matters you know nothing of and are all a matter of your own conjecture.

Does this describe the regeneration that took place in your life?
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Are you walking in HIS Statutes?
Are you keeping HIS Judgments?
Are you doing HIS Will?
Are you no longer a sinner?

I witness to you that unless you affirm all of the above, and can testify that you made your surrender and Came Unto The Father's Presence; then you are lying and conjecturing with your comments on this thread.


What does that make you?
You who decide for yourself what The Bible Witnesses, yet without Knowing God, you conjecture and scheme carnally to convince others... This behaviour makes you anti-Christ.

Most Christians are fully and only conjecturists.
You decide what you will have God be, what your church will define as pertinent to HIM, and then you corrupt and confuse the innocents who might otherwise give HIM their lives.

There is no reason for any Born-Again to "study" The Bible.
We Know The Father and Dwell With The Holy Spirit so what we need to Know, HE Witnesses to us.

Being Born-Again, what conjecturists try to explore is simply of no importance. Knowing that God's Will IS Perfect, we Trust HIM Fully and Do HIS Will not our own.

There is conjecture here that the 2 Witnesses will die before the man-of-sin is revealed. Doesn't witness Truth to me, but even if it was, what would I care? God's Will IS Always Perfect!

You can't Know this until you Know HIM.
You can't Know HIM until you Trust HIM Completely.
It takes being willing to let God Be God and not trouble yourself about matters that aren't your concern.

What in the fuck do you think Christ Jesus' Second Coming is? Some kind of ballgame or social event you can critique and simply watch? That your comments matter?

Time to Trust God and allow HIM to defeat your carnality.
Way too much to ask, I know, but there it is...


Jesus IS Already Embarked Upon HIS Return.
Christ IS Coming Soon!

Maranatha!!!
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Well, it's pretty obvious you aren't of the pre-trib group, because if you were, you would not even ask the question because you would self-righteously know that Jesus already appeared in the sky and swooped them and all theirs up to the Mansion in the Sky.

If you were left and the trouble begins, you better get on your sorry knees and pray to be one of the 144,000, except Americans are on the wrong continent...sorry, better luck next lifetime.

What, no one here knows theology?
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It's not 144,000 saved, but 144,000 cleansed in the tribulation and allowed to preach the gospel and not be hurt by the Beast. There will be other Christians, actually millions will turn to Christ in the tribulation, but these "elected 144,000" are like super heroes out to preach against the Beast and anointed by God.
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You actually BELIEVE this shit?
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There's NOT just 144K saved. We're in the age of Grace and all who call upon Jesus as their savior WILL be saved.

Jesus Is King!
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What does this matter to you?


If you Love Father and Son so much, why can't you Trust Father Fully, manifest your heart Unto HIM and make you surrender? After all, Christ Jesus IS The Way Unto The Father....

You either Know HIM or you do not.

If you can't Trust HIM Fully, you will remain alienated from HIM and this means you will live these Final Moments in deception; as Christ Witneses in matt 24:22-24

Only the very elect cannot be deceived.

You can't elect to Trust God Completely? Then, who are you to HIM? Jesus Witnesses that there will be those who knock at HIS Door and ask, "Lord, Lord open unto us for we have done great miracles In Your Name" HE tells them, "Depart from ME you workers of iniquity; I Know you not!"


Your life isn't about understanding what God IS Going To Do. Your life is about will you, won't you decide you can Trust HIM Completely and then take the action to make your surrender...

You can only Know HIS Will, once you Trust HIM Fully and accept HIS Will (whatever HIS Will may be) as what you want to Shape and Guide your life. Until you Know HIM, you can't Know HIS Will and it matters nothing to you; not really. Until you surrender you are nothing unlike the pharisees and saducees who conspired to murder Christ Jesus because they feared HIM as a threat to their iniquity and position.

Know HIM?
Then you Know that HE Enables you as Witnessed in Ezekiel 36:26-27.

Don't Know HIM? Then you know nothing...


Maranatha!!!




One more time...

What is HE to you if you cannot Trust YahWeh, Father, Elohim completely?



If you cannot witness that you've been Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again, then you don't KNOW anything of God's Will or HIS Revealed Word In The Holy Scripture.

Will any of you here, hear this and testify/witness of your Born-Again experience? Unless you can witness that you Came Unto The Father and received HIS Heart of new flesh then you are commenting upon matters you know nothing of and are all a matter of your own conjecture.

Does this describe the regeneration that took place in your life?
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Are you walking in HIS Statutes?
Are you keeping HIS Judgments?
Are you doing HIS Will?
Are you no longer a sinner?

I witness to you that unless you affirm all of the above, and can testify that you made your surrender and Came Unto The Father's Presence; then you are lying and conjecturing with your comments on this thread.


What does that make you?
You who decide for yourself what The Bible Witnesses, yet without Knowing God, you conjecture and scheme carnally to convince others... This behaviour makes you anti-Christ.

Most Christians are fully and only conjecturists.
You decide what you will have God be, what your church will define as pertinent to HIM, and then you corrupt and confuse the innocents who might otherwise give HIM their lives.

There is no reason for any Born-Again to "study" The Bible.
We Know The Father and Dwell With The Holy Spirit so what we need to Know, HE Witnesses to us.

Being Born-Again, what conjecturists try to explore is simply of no importance. Knowing that God's Will IS Perfect, we Trust HIM Fully and Do HIS Will not our own.

There is conjecture here that the 2 Witnesses will die before the man-of-sin is revealed. Doesn't witness Truth to me, but even if it was, what would I care? God's Will IS Always Perfect!

You can't Know this until you Know HIM.
You can't Know HIM until you Trust HIM Completely.
It takes being willing to let God Be God and not trouble yourself about matters that aren't your concern.

What in the fuck do you think Christ Jesus' Second Coming is? Some kind of ballgame or social event you can critique and simply watch? That your comments matter?

Time to Trust God and allow HIM to defeat your carnality.
Way too much to ask, I know, but there it is...


Jesus IS Already Embarked Upon HIS Return.
Christ IS Coming Soon!

Maranatha!!!
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Yep, 2,000 years and waiting. It is a long way for him to travel, apparently, especially if he has already embarked.

So if it only took 6 days to create the entire cosmos, a twinkling of an eye for him to go up, I still wonder what's holding him up on the return trip. And then I think mostly, maybe he already came. Or, again, maybe it's really just an inside job...what lives within you...heaven or hell.

The latter makes more sense.
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There's NOT just 144K saved. We're in the age of Grace and all who call upon Jesus as their savior WILL be saved.

Jesus Is King!
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You have clearly not read Revelation, the Old Testament Prophets, or the hundreds of books out there to help you out. That supposed age of Grace has a shelf life.
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Yep, 2,000 years and waiting. It is a long way for him to travel, apparently, especially if he has already embarked.

So if it only took 6 days to create the entire cosmos, a twinkling of an eye for him to go up, I still wonder what's holding him up on the return trip. And then I think mostly, maybe he already came. Or, again, maybe it's really just an inside job...what lives within you...heaven or hell.

The latter makes more sense.
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This is the opinion of a person who doesn't know the bible. Ignorant in other words.
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There's NOT just 144K saved. We're in the age of Grace and all who call upon Jesus as their savior WILL be saved.

Jesus Is King!



You have clearly not read Revelation, the Old Testament Prophets, or the hundreds of books out there to help you out. That supposed age of Grace has a shelf life.
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There is only 144,000 saved you antichrist, read the word!! Jesus these people are delusional. Whats that Jesus? They wont say the same about me......
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You have clearly not read Revelation, the Old Testament Prophets, or the hundreds of books out there to help you out. That supposed age of Grace has a shelf life.
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LOL, you are wrong, you need to read it again.
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There is only 144,000 saved you antichrist, read the word!! Jesus these people are delusional. Whats that Jesus? They wont say the same about me......
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LOL @ your foolishness.
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There is only 144,000 saved you antichrist, read the word!! Jesus these people are delusional. Whats that Jesus? They wont say the same about me......


LOL @ your foolishness.
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Jesus says your the fool....

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