Question on the Occult/New Age

GOETIA

Considering that most of the political leaders of the country you live are or have been part of these movements, indicates that indeed, the "real world" has been changed due to these practices.

Going all the way to George Washington and beyond.

In fact they've evoked more change in the world over time than probably any other force. So it's kind of an ignorant question.

because of its relavance. Again because of its relavence. Mythology and astronomy. Alchemy.

All those are for relavence.

For you personally, facilitate for yourself staying in the "now" should handle all your problems. Is that a religion? Prolly something new like shall we call it "zen climatologically induced or sum'thn."

The problem with the term 'New Age' that it tends to include teachings which aren't exactly new.

Like acupuncture, a 5000 year old practice.

Yeah, but, just because they belong to those organizations doesn't mean that what they LEARNED or DID in those organizations caused the change.

Here here I live a lot of lawyers belong to the Elks...But they were already successful. The organization didn't make them like that.

In thinking about it I guess one could argue that the old mystery schools in Greece taught people to think pretty well, but that's not really New Age/Occult.

And the Goetia? No one i know has ever actually had success with it. People have SAID they did, but not that I'd notice.

Bill

I'm thinking post-Blavatsky here. I wouldn't actually consider Acupuncture New Age, but that's semantics.

Bill

Oke, i see what you mean.

Most of the time when i hear 'New Age' i am thinking about those assholes who try to rip everybody off like with 'the Secret' which isn't even comparable to the real 'Law of Attraction-theory'

Personally i find the work of Blavatsky extraordinary, haven't read it all (yet) i must admit. But she traveled the world to find the 'ultimate truth' and i think she did an excellent job (at least) Collecting it.

I think it's one of the best collections in human history, so in that respect i do find it interesting to say the least.

But i also must admit, i am a lousy practitioner when it comes to side-projects, i haven't put in enough time to find out if it works.

I have other stuff i spend a lot of time on but these side-projects always disappear to the background, to my own disappointment.

Sometimes i do go to the theosophical society here in the Hague and i find it to be kinda enlightening.

It's mostly history and mythology which is taught and not so much exact practices.

But 'New Age' in that sense.. i am not ready to trow that overboard yet.
I don't say i believe it all but i don't disregard it either. And i am a very critical thinker.

Yes.

My first successes involved using "sigil" magic - that is, abstractly representing a desire in some form such as an ideogram, random word string, etc. & then sinking it in the subconscious to manifest, later, when you have been sufficiently distracted by other things.

The more interesting successes, though, were later when using some of the rituals described in old European Grimoires - chiefly the Olympick spirits described in the Arbatel & others. Sigils, all too often, were very successful when it came to things that I didn't give a shit about, but if I really wanted something to happen, no luck. Summoning a Spirit solves this - it may not give a shit, but you do, & it will, apparently, do what you ask given the right oblation.

The real question for me is whether or not something can be gauged appropriately as extra to or inherent within one's own consciousness & this is very difficult to determine as the actual scope or power latent within our own consciousnesses is, more less, uncharted territory.

However, if magic is not as is traditionally claimed, then based upon such successes & experiences I would have to personally conclude:

1. The act of ritual can result in a controlled, & terminatable, psycholigical experience which mimics what one would expect a communion with a discarnate entity to be. (I like to call this "controlled schizophrenia", if it is true)

2. Such an experience can, after termination, be seen to result in real world effects.

A very interesting form of self-hypnosis, if not rooted in some objective fact (like actually existent spirits) - but it works, whatever the case.

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Yes, that stuff works just fine if you are willing to practice.

Start with simple things, something you would like to have or experience; something that isn't a big deal.

In your mind, picture the item or experience, see it as clearly as you can, and feel how you will feel when you have it or experience it. Feel thankful. Gotta have the emotion in there, the gratitude, AND you have to see it already done/owned/happened.

If you want to play with it a little more, find a photo or draw a picture of the thing or experience and put it up somewhere you will see it; use that as a reminder and when you see the pic, do the mind exercise of seeing and feeling it.

You don't need to put all that much into it, and start with small things.

Wanting something doesn't work, feeling and picturing as a done deal works.