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Yahoshua (Jesus) was a nazor-aion
John 18:5 They answered Him, "Iesoun the Nazoraion." He said to them, "I am He....He was a NZR
Nazoraion is the Greek spelling and should be transliterated.
The chuch did not take on the name Christian till later...

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Tobit 4:7-11 7 Give alms of thy substance; and when thou givest alms, let not thine eye be envious, neither turn thy face from any poor, and the face of God shall not be turned away from thee. 8 If thou hast abundance give alms accordingly: if thou have but a little, be not afraid to give according to that little: 9 For thou layest up a good treasure for thyself against the day of necessity. 10 Because that alms do deliver from death, and suffereth not to come into darkness. 11 For alms is a good gift unto all that give it in the sight of the most High.

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And John had a garment of camel`s hair and a leather girdle about his loins, and
his food, as it is said, was wild honey, the taste if which was that of manna, as a cake
dipped in oil.
Thus they were resolved to pervert the truth into a lie and put a cake in the place of locusts.
(Epiphanius, Panarion 30.13.4-5) Epiphanius was an enemy of the Nazoraions.
Cake was a carob cake carob and locusts can translate as the same word.

John did not eat flesh nor did he eat things that had been alive.

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The Ebionits mean those who are poor (they sold all they had and gave to the poor, and folloed the Nazoraion way), they were apart of the Jerusalem Church when James was alive, their beliefs differ from modern beliefs.
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Matthew 6:20 "But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal;
Matthew 6:21 for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Rust = bro'-sis in Greek which means food, food in English not rust.
Matthew 6:19 "Do not store up for yourselves treasures {thay-sow-ros'} on earth, where moth {sace} and rust {bro'-sis} = food, what you comsume
destroy {af-an-id'-zo}, and where thieves {klep'-tace} break in and steal.


What treasures? to give mercy you have to have mercy.
Luke 12:33 "Sell your possessions and give to mercy {el-eh-ay-mos-oo'-nay} ; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys.
Mercy is a treasure, in a money belt. Something close to you hidden away from the public eye.

Mercy = alms = {el-eh-ay-mos-oo'-nay

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Nazoraion, the way, part of the earliest teachings
about ICHTHUS

The history of ICHTHUS symbol: a sprouted grain, made into bread, which is the body of the Nazoraion

The Nazoraion Sect were non flesh eaters, Yahoshua (Jesus) was a Nazoraion.

The Nazoraions believe the ICHTHUS symbol is seen in the Greek word that translates fish in English (ichthus, spelled: Iota Chi Theta Upsilon Sigma). That is an acrostic one translation in English. The most popular appears to be "Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior"
[Iesous (Jesus) CHristos (Christ) THeou (God) Uiou (Son) Soter (Savior)].

Ichthus
John 6:51 "I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live a age (aion); and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh."
John 6:52 Then the jewish people began to argue with one another, saying, "How can this man give us His flesh to eat?"

John 6:54 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has aionion life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

John 6:55 "For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.

John 6:56 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

Yahoshua's flesh = body = what the New Covenant is a fresh or New way which is the oldest way, before death
Luke 22:16 for I say to you, I shall never again eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God."

Matthew 26:26 While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; this is My body."

Matthew 26:27 And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you;


Luke 24:42: "So they gave Him a piece of a broiled ICHTHUS and some honeycomb."

What they gave him was the New Covenant bread

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The first time worship is used in the Old Testament
Genesis 22:5 Abraham said to his young men, "Stay here with the donkey, and I and the lad will go over there; and WE will worship and return to you."

Worship {shaw-khaw'}
Meaning: 1) to bow down 1a) (Qal) to bow down 1b) (Hiphil) to depress (fig) 1c) (Hithpael) 1c1) to bow down, prostrate oneself 1c1a) before superior in homage 1c1b) before God in worship 1c1c) before false gods 1c1d) before angel
Origin: a primitive root; TWOT - 2360; v
Usage: AV - worship 99, bow 31, bow down 18, obeisance 9, reverence 5, fall down 3, themselves 2, stoop 1, crouch 1, misc 3; 172
root word
2360 qroe,w throeo {thro-eh'-o}
Meaning: 1) to cry aloud, make a noise by outcry 1a) in the NT, to trouble, frighten 1b) to be troubled in mind, to be frightened, alarmed
Origin: from threomai {to wail};; v
Usage: AV - trouble 3; 3
Adam in Genesis 1. male and femaled, when created does not mention worship
Geneis 2 Adam who was formed and Eve who was taken out of Adam does not worship (sacrifice) until they are send out of the garden. Then Cain and Able offer a sacrifice, the word worship is not there but they were offering a sacrifice which in the Old Testament was part of worship.

Worship with sacrifice was not part of creation. Yahoshua says we worship in spirit and truth. Nothing to do with how the old testament works. It is a completely different way.

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Nazarene = Nazoraion in Greek Nzrolam in Hebrew= Nazor (seperated) for this age
The first Nazor mention in the Bible is Joseph
Genesis 49:26 "The blessings of your father Have surpassed the blessings of my ancestors Up to the utmost bound of the everlasting (aion or olam) hills; May they be on the head of Joseph, And on the crown of the head of the one distinguished ( Nazor) among his brothers.
Jospeh was seperated to do a special work, to feed the known world through the famine
The Name of Yahoshua or Jesus or Iesous claimed this title "The bread of life"
Acts 3:6 But Peter said, "I do not possess silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you: In the name of Jesus Christ the Nazoraion Acts 22:8 "And I answered, 'Who are You, Lord?' And He said to me, 'I am Jesus the Nazoraion, whom you are persecuting- walk!"

John 18:5 They answered Him, "Jesus the Nazoraion." He said to them, "I am He." And Judas also, who was betraying Him, was standing with them.

John 18:7 Therefore He again asked them, "Whom do you seek?" And they said, "Yahoshua the Nazoraion."

Acts 4:10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the NAMe of Yahoshua Christ the Nazoraion, whom you staurosed, whom God raised from the dead-- by this NAME this man stands here before you in good health.

Paul is accused of being the ringleader of the Nazoraions
Acts 24:5 "For we have found this man a real pest and a fellow who stirs up dissension among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazoraions.

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And John had a garment of camel`s hair and a leather girdle about his loins, and
his food, as it is said, was wild honey, the taste if which was that of manna, as a cake
dipped in oil.
Thus they were resolved to pervert the truth into a lie and put a cake in the place of locusts.
(Epiphanius, Panarion 30.13.4-5)

John was a vegetarian
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Ebionites
They say that Christ was not begotten of God the Father, but created as one of
the archangels ... that he rules over the angels and all the creatures of the
Almighty, and that he came and declared, as their Gospel, which is called
Gospel according to Matthew, or Gospel According to the Hebrews?,
reports:
Why would they say this. Because they believe Yahoshua was begotton by the Holy Spirit, and at baptism filled with the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is in feminine form in all Old Test. texts,
also because in Genesis 1:1 it say in the Beginning created Gods Alph Tav ....who would be the Nazoraion or Messiah

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Nazoraion, the way, part of the earliest teachings
about ICHTHUS

The history of ICHTHUS (translated fish) is also a symbol ALPHA of a sprouted grain or a NZR Egyptian word that came into Hebrew Joseph in
NAU Genesis 49:26 "The blessings of your father Have surpassed the blessings of my ancestors Up to the utmost bound of the owlam hills; May they be on the head of Joseph, And on the crown of the head of the one NZR among his brothers.
Joseph was called a NZR which was in Egyptian,a plant in the sea that feed the poor, made into bread, Joseph was a savior to the world feeding grain to the known world that was in a famine.

The Nazoraion Sect were non flesh eaters, Yahoshua (Jesus) was a Nazor-aion. Meaning a feeder of sprouted gran for this age. He says he has food which we don't know about. We can live on sprouted grain which he calls living bread.

The Nazoraions believe the ICHTHUS symbol is seen in the Greek word that translates fish in English (ichthus, spelled: Iota Chi Theta Upsilon Sigma). That is an acrostic one translation in English. The most popular appears to be "Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior"
[Iesous (Jesus) CHristos (Christ) THeou (God) Uiou (Son) Soter (Savior)].

Ichthus
John 6:51 "I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live a age (aion); and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh."
John 6:52 Then the jewish people began to argue with one another, saying, "How can this man give us His flesh to eat?"

John 6:54 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has aionion life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

John 6:55 "For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.

John 6:56 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

Yahoshua's flesh = body = what the New Covenant is a fresh or New way which is the oldest way, before death
Luke 22:16 for I say to you, I shall never again eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God."

Matthew 26:26 While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; this is My body."

Matthew 26:27 And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you;


Luke 24:42: "So they gave Him a piece of a broiled ICHTHUS and some honeycomb."

What they gave him was the New Covenant bread
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Yahoshua says he was a Nazoraion (English Nazarene) their are 13 references to the word Iesous (greek for Yahoshua English Jesus) the Nazoraion Nazoraios Nazoraiou. All the same word. They are in the Masculine form.

He was from Nazoreth this is in feminine form. It was a place where the Nazoraion's lived. The Ebionites which means the poor (which was by choise) lived and believed much of what the Nazoraion's believed. No animal sacrifices non meat eaters and the doctrine of salvation of all in the end.
They the Nazoraions were called disciples the sect was also called the way, until
NAU Acts 11:26 ,,,,, and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

Yahoshua did not start a Christan church. He had no building no order except all were disciples who healed the sick told everyone that the Kingdom was coming and their would be no more death, and the god (Elohim plural) of this world was having the Kingdom taken away and given to a people who would produce the fruit of the Kingdom.

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KJV Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

NAU Acts 4:10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead-- by this name this man stands here before you in good health.

the word, Tou Nazoraiou in the Konie Greek is mistranslated in the King James version it uses Byz Greek. It should read Iesou Christou Tou Nazoraiou. Jesus Christ The Nazoraiou. This is in the genitive form which is a case of description, it describes who Jesus Iesous is.
In the KJV the word Nazareth is incorrect because Nazareth is in the Feminine form. Nazoraiou is in the masculine giving the imperssion to the reader that Jesus Iesous Yahoshus is from a place. rather is should tell us who HE is . He is a Nazor-Aion. The last letter in Greek tells use what form the noun takes by looking at the definite article "THE", which is going to match the noun. Tou =the Nazoraiou = Nazoraios or Nazoraion.


This is an important verse to understand because by this name this man was healed. Their is no magic in this. It represents who Jesus Iesous Yahoshua was their are many messiah's only one Nazoraion or Nzr owlam the Nzr for this age, he can heal save.
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The Way, the Disciples, the Nazoraions met together and their understanding of what Yahoshua the Nazoraion taught had much more freedom in beliefs than later when in Antioch they were first called Christians
Acts 11:26... And for an entire year they met with the church and taught considerable numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.
[link to www.gnosis.org]

Gnostic's were part of the earilest "Nazoraions" that is Yahoshua the Nazoraion teachings.

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The Cosmos

All religious traditions acknowledge that the world is imperfect. Where they differ is in the explanations which they offer to account for this imperfection and in what they suggest might be done about it. Gnostics have their own -- perhaps quite startling -- view of these matters: they hold that the world is flawed because it was created in a flawed manner.

What does Yahoshua say?

NAU John 15:15 "No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you.
This indicates from the words of Yahoshua that we were always slaves till he set us free, and now we can be friends..

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The Nazoraion, that is Yahoshua, taught not to worship lower deities
NAU Matthew 4:9 and he said to Him, "All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me."
NAU Matthew 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, "Go, Satan! For it is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE Kurios YOUR theos, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.'"

Deity

The Gnostic God concept is more subtle than that of most religions. In its way, it unites and reconciles the recognitions of Monotheism and Polytheism, as well as of Theism, Deism and Pantheism.

In the Gnostic view, there is a true, ultimate and transcendent power, who is beyond all created universes and who never created anything, as we know it, in the sense in which the word “create” is ordinarily understood. While this True God did not fashion or create anything, He (or, It) “emanated” or brought forth from within Himself the substance of all there is in all the worlds, visible and invisible. In a certain sense, it may therefore be true to say that all is God, for all consists of the substance of God. By the same token, it must also be recognized that many portions of the original divine essence have been projected so far from their source that they underwent unwholesome changes in the process. To worship the cosmos, or nature, or embodied creatures is thus tantamount to worshipping alienated and corrupt portions of the emanated divine essence.

Yahoshua himself says his Father is greater than he, also when he was fulled with the Holy Spirit at baptism their was something given him that he did not have before. He was God, but not the holy Spirit nor was he the Highest which was his father. Their are many Gods, he was the highest in this realm but he tells us his Father is greater than him.

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The Gnostics were a rather diverse group of early movements finding a basis often in Christianity or Judaism. These people did not refer to themselves as "Gnostics" but rather the label was applied mostly by their opponents and modern scholars. The movements were strongly associated with mysticism, and the thread connecting them was the concept of gnosis, which refers to an intimately personal kind of knowledge (as in the Spanish conocer rather than saber or German kennen versus wissen). The Gnostic movements were centered around gnosis of the divine rather than faith (pistis) and therefore are often associated with mysticism.[citation needed] The Albigensian and Cathar movements of the Middle Ages are often linked to Gnosticism.[citation needed] Many Gnostic movements made extensive use of allegory and metaphor in their interpretation of spiritual texts.
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The Gnostics were a rather diverse group of early movements finding a basis often in Christianity or Judaism. These people did not refer to themselves as "Gnostics" but rather the label was applied mostly by their opponents and modern scholars. The movements were strongly associated with mysticism, and the thread connecting them was the concept of gnosis, which refers to an intimately personal kind of knowledge (as in the Spanish conocer rather than saber or German kennen versus wissen). The Gnostic movements were centered around gnosis of the divine rather than faith (pistis) and therefore are often associated with mysticism.[citation needed] The Albigensian and Cathar movements of the Middle Ages are often linked to Gnosticism.[citation needed] Many Gnostic movements made extensive use of allegory and metaphor in their interpretation of spiritual text.

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Colossians and 1 & 2 John in the new testament was written as a direct refutation to Gnostics.

Gnosticism was one of the earliest heresies faced by the early church second only to the heresy of the Judaizers.


In John 8:24 Jesus declared: “For if you should not believe that I am [ego eimi] you will perish in your sins”

[link to www.christiandefense.org]

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

[link to christiandefense.org]
Exegesis of John 1:1, cool video.

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Colossians and 1 & 2 John in the new testament was written as a direct refutation to Gnostics.

Gnosticism was one of the earliest heresies faced by the early church second only to the heresy of the Judaizers.


In John 8:24 Jesus declared: “For if you should not believe that I am [ego eimi] you will perish in your sins”

[link to www.christiandefense.org]

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

[link to christiandefense.org]
Exegesis of John 1:1, cool video.

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John 1! reads, In a beginning was the word and the word was toward The God and the word was a God.
In a beginning is Genesis 1:1 In a Beginning created Gods, Yahoshua was part of that creation of the Gods, I am not saying he did not exsist before, just not as a God. Just as parents do not exist before a child is brought into their family.

NAU John 10:38 but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father."

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Colossians and 1 & 2 John in the new testament was written as a direct refutation to Gnostics.

Gnosticism was one of the earliest heresies faced by the early church second only to the heresy of the Judaizers.


In John 8:24 Jesus declared: “For if you should not believe that I am [ego eimi] you will perish in your sins”

[link to www.christiandefense.org]

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

[link to christiandefense.org]
Exegesis of John 1:1, cool video.

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Yahoshua was not a Christian he was the Nazoraion. The christian church began to change and slant their view if one did not agree they were put to death, by the christian church. So when Yahoshua said many will come in my name and deceive many he was talking about the christian church that has killed many thinking they were doing God a favor. Many religions have done the same...
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This word Nazor is derived from the Hebrew word NZR that was used in ancient times, derived from both na·tsar, meaning "to watch," or from ne·tser, meaning branch.
The watcher's we Gods, some fell. Yahoshua tells us he is the vine we are the branches, which both word can translate Nazor for this Aion or world/age.

If you read what Yahoshua says John 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.

The vine would be the Natsar or the watcher. we the Nazor's, the branches, would be the extension of the Watcher which is the vine, the larger part which allows the branches to extend from the vine. The father takes care of the vine, we are part of this, without the vine the branches will die and be burned, yet it is only your works will be burned, you will be saved in the end.

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Another thing to keep in mind as you read this study is that the early church fathers regarded anything the Hebrew wrote as "heresies" and called many of the Jews "gnostics"; however, it is quite clear from the writings of Shaul (Paul), from Yahshua himself, and from the apostolic letters (called the "general epistles", the ones written in Hebrew and were disputed by the church fathers) that "gnosticism" was a prevalent religious concept in both Judaism and the Primitive Congregation of Yahshua. These "gnostics" (any first century Jew writing in the Hebrew language about the concept of "good and evil") were considered heretical. The reason for this is that the latter "church" (from 70 C.E. onward) was steeped in Babylonian mysticism due to so many of its members being former pagans who promulgated the "savior god" or the "man-god" of the Babylonian and Egyptian pantheons.



It is also clear that the earliest list of books written about Yahshua was recorded by Marcion (who was sharply criticized and called a "heretic"). There were many other lists that were developed prior to the canonization of the "New Covenant", the books on which were generally circulated among the earliest messianic believers in Yahshua. For instance, the Gospel of Peter, criticized and labeled today as "gnostic" was read regularly in the earliest assemblies.
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THE GOSPEL OF PETER pg 33
18 But many were wandering around
with torches, thinking that it was night;
and they stumbled about. 19 And the
Lord cried out, “My power, O power, you
have left me behind!” When he said this,
he was taken up.
20 At that time,

Non-Canonical Gospels
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I am asked if I use the Peshitta, I compare some of the New Test. writings with the Konie Greek text.
The reason is because I can not read Syriac, coptic, or Aramiaic text.
The Peshitta is the Bible of the Syrian Church

[link to www.ntcanon.org]

According to early traditions and legends embodied in the Doctrine of Addai (~400 CE), the earliest New Testament of the Syriac speaking Church consisted of the Diatesseron, the Epistles of Paul, and Acts. The Diatesseron was written by Tatian by weaving the 4 canonical Gospels together into a coherent and continuous account

The earliest teachings of Yahoshua The Nazoraion were not Christian, the Disciples or The Nazoraion had different beliefs and were very tolerant. In Antioch the Disciples were first called Christians.
With the name change came different beliefs, that demanded structure and order, not in the early teachings of Yahoshua...

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Can you summarise it?, no time to read bed then work
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To Matt. 2:15 cf. Gospel of the Nazaraeans, (in Jerome, On Illustrious Men 3)--"Out of Egypt have I called my son" and "For he shall be called a Nazaraean." Cf. Also margin of codex 1424 -- This was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, "Out of Egypt have I called my son . . ."

Nazarean = Natoraion
[link to www.earlychristianwritings.com]

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Colossians and 1 & 2 John in the new testament was written as a direct refutation to Gnostics.

Gnosticism was one of the earliest heresies faced by the early church second only to the heresy of the Judaizers.


In John 8:24 Jesus declared: “For if you should not believe that I am [ego eimi] you will perish in your sins”

[link to www.christiandefense.org]

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

[link to christiandefense.org]
Exegesis of John 1:1, cool video.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4619492

The early Churh for 37 years was not Christian, when Christianity became the in thing, they would not tolerate other beliefs, Yahoshua was a Naozraion, it was called the way and the disciples. They were not in agreement with many issues. Why? Because it is the Holy Spirit who is our teacher. It is the Holy Spirit that leads us to all truth and sets of free from deceivers who Yahoshua said would come in the name of Christ, that is Christianity, thats their name. The Holy Spirit is very capable of taking care of heresy, we are told by Yahoshua to leave people along who are coming in his name and teaching differently than we understand. The only ones I am concerned with are so called leaders who abuse and destroy and steal .... They are not part of us.

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Re: Gospel OF THE Nazoraions Ebionites and Gnostics
Gospel of Mary of Magdala
Text from the Papyrus Berolinensis
[link to www.maryofmagdala.com]
.... Peter said to Mary, "Sister, we know that the Savior loved you more than all other women. Tell us the words of the Savior that you remember, the things which you know that we don't because we haven't heard them."
Mary responded, "I will teach you about what is hidden from you." And she began to speak these words to them.
She said, "I saw the Lord in a vision and I said to him, 'Lord, I saw you today in a vision.'
He answered me, 'How wonderful you are for not wavering at seeing me! For where the mind is, there is the treasure......
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The teaching of the savior, and the revelation of the mysteries and the things hidden in silence, even these things which he taught John, his disciple.

And it happened one day, when John, the brother of James - who are the sons of Zebedee - had come up to the temple, that a Pharisee named Arimanius approached him and said to him, "Where is your master whom you followed?" And he said to him, "He has gone to the place from which he came." The Pharisee said to him, "With deception did this Nazarene (*Nazoraion)(deceive you (pl. *Ya'll), and he filled your ears with lies, and closed your hearts (and) turned you from the traditions of your fathers."

When I, John, heard these things I turned away from the temple to a desert place. And I grieved greatly in my heart, saying, "How then was the savior appointed, and why was he sent into the world by his Father, and who is his Father who sent him, and of what sort is that aeon to which we shall go? For what did he mean when he said to us, 'This aeon to which you will go is of the type of the imperishable aeon, but he did not teach us concerning the latter, of what sort it is."

Straightway, while I was contemplating these things, behold, the heavens opened and the whole creation which is below heaven shone, and the world was shaken. I was afraid, and behold I saw in the light a youth who stood by me. While I looked at him, he became like an old man. And he changed his likeness (again), becoming like a servant. There was not a plurality before me, but there was a likeness with multiple forms in the light, and the likenesses appeared through each other, and the likeness had three forms.

He said to me, "John, John, why do you doubt, or why are you afraid? You are not unfamiliar with this image, are you? - that is, do not be timid! - I am the one who is with you (pl.) always. I am the Father, I am the Mother, I am the Son. I am the undefiled and incorruptible one. Now I have come to teach you what is and what was and what will come to pass, that you may know the things which are not revealed and those which are revealed, and to teach you concerning the unwavering race of the perfect Man. Now, therefore, lift up your face, that you may receive the things that I shall teach you today, and may tell them to your fellow spirits who are from the unwavering race of the perfect Man."

And I asked to know it, and he said to me, "The Monad is a monarchy with nothing above it. It is he who exists as God and Father of everything, the invisible One who is above everything, who exists as incorruption, which is in the pure light into which no eye can look.

"He is the invisible Spirit, of whom it is not right to think of him as a god, or something similar. For he is more than a god, since there is nothing above him, for no one lords it over him. For he does not exist in something inferior to him.....

[link to gnosis.org]
* Added by me

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