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Has anyone ever considered that the Illuminati are the good guys?

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The world is so much better without people like JFK, I suppose. Right?

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Love or the Intellect ?

Who is the good guy?
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The world is so much better without people like JFK, I suppose. Right?

 Quoting: Paranoid Reality 1039652

Whether you like it or not, JFK was one of TPTB as well.

I think (purely my speculation) they offed him, because they can't just have one guy fix everything and let everyone benefit from it. And from a bankster level, they just didn't want to have their power taken away.

If people want the government to print their own money without debt, they have to all demand it. People have to take responsibility.

The system is rigged to see who is smart enough to realise that it is rigged.
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Only if you liked the 1260 year of the Holy Roman Emire's dark ages.


On May 1, 1776 Weishaupt formed the "Order of Perfectibilists". He adopted the name of "Brother Spartacus" within the order. Though the Order was not egalitarian or democratic, its mission was the abolition of all monarchical governments and state religions in Europe and its colonies.

Weishaupt wrote: "the ends justified the means." The actual character of the society was modeled on the Jesuits, and was an elaborate network of spies and counter-spies. Each isolated cell of initiates reported to a superior, whom they did not know, a party structure that was effectively adopted by some later groups.

Weishaupt was initiated into the Masonic Lodge "Theodor zum guten Rath", at Munich in 1777. His project of "illumination, enlightening the understanding by the sun of reason, which will dispel the clouds of superstition and of prejudice" was an unwelcome reform. Soon however he had developed gnostic mysteries of his own, with the goal of "perfecting human" nature through re-education to achieve a communal state with nature, freed of government and organized religion. He began working towards incorporating his system of Illuminism with that of Freemasonry.

He wrote: "I did not bring Deism into Bavaria more than into Rome. I found it here, in great vigour, more abounding than in any of the neighboring Protestant States. I am proud to be known to the world as the founder of the Illuminati."
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ummmm, i remember the matrix movies. there was a red pill and a green one, do you want to see how far down the rabbitt hole goes? the victor has many things in his favor, ultimately he gets to write history, the way he wants it. how was the country founded? by masons? and arent we enjoying the freedoms they put into the constitution? ok i know. the conspiracy is, world domination. but lets look at the fruit of what they done. freedom? i mean if they trully wished to enslave the world, then why didnt they enslave us instead?

Not really a fan of the Matrix movies, so I don't know what you're talking about.

not a hard concept to comprehend, maybe alice in wonderland will help you understand.....

so, how do we prove these secret organizations even exist? with books and literature, that the powers that be allow us to have, but which powers? is there yet another organization that are pitted against the ones we do know of? could it be that yet a more secret organization wishes to remain annonymous and yet keep the people against the ones we do know of by poisioning our minds against them? ok so we go off superstitions, just ask an old wife anywhere, they are also known for making sound effects of tornados for news reporters and then playing it on the news for our enjoyment.

The Free Masons exist and so do many others.

i didn't say they didnt exist. i am entering the possibility of yet other organizations we know not of.

what is our true reality? what is the real truth? the only truth anyone of us have is the crap handed down to us from our mommies and daddies, and theirs was handed down in like manner. we dont know the truth. ever read george orwell, 1984? and the ministry of truth. you need to find out who is actually controlling the knowledge we do know. you need to find out who is controlling the past, and look for the things that are tangible. everyone thinks they are smart, but they are only as smart as those in power will allow them to be. how does one move a stone that weighs more than a car? i dont know, but this kind of knowledge could very well be of some importance to us. think of the things we could build.

Reality is reality, only your perception of it changes.

here i am suggesting our grasp of reality is fragile at best.

the people in power would be mortified, therefore this knowledge is gone. and yet we know ancient people who should have been living in caves all over earth built beautiful cities. before anyone rushes to judgement they should atleast look at the fruits that such and such people brought forth, and then ask, "why?" "why are those people considered evil?" "who taught me to think that way?" "why did they teach me that?" "what did they have to gain?" cause everybody has an agenda it seems.

who said they were smart to begin with

to question ones own reality.

even here at glp theres an agenda, if it isnt the illuminati then its the masons and if it isnt the masons then it must be the jews and if not them then certainly the person is a shill working for the powers that be. how nicely divided we are. i imagine i am to being called a shill, oh well. what else is new? i do not know what the past holds or even the truth of the present. the closest thing that tells me anything truthful is my bible, i know, it was compiled by a bunch of men, but it was done with books that are still being found in our recent past, and study has shown the bible is consistent with the dead sea scrolls.

yes there is an agenda at GLP. People sense something is up and they are searching

i sense there are some who indeed are searching, and i also sense there are others who are preaching. and yet there are those who have seemingly made up their own mind.

to date, this site is the greatest collection of conspiracy nuts i have encountered, but are you absolutely sure your not part of the conspiracy? are you absolutely sure your not feeding the fires of conspiracy theory that the powers that be want? and how would you know? what if your mind is getting signals and your just doing what your told? honestly. and atlantis. what if it never existed? what if you was only told it existed and through faith you believe. you see i think the atlantis we think of never existed, what if it was infact a good sized island with a volcano for a neighbor? troy wasnt all i expected either, what if writters added their creative license to it?

There all all kinds here. Some intelligent and kind people and some hateful raging lunatics. What makes you think you are a cut above?

i dont recall saying i was a cut above anyone. sorry that is the idea you have gathered.

how would they ever be proven wrong? no one expected mini subs in the deepest depths of the ocean. the place where everyone claims atlantis was is where two tetonic plates are separating. this isnt feesible to me. perhaps south america. they had the infrastructure to say "great cities", even of gold. and maybe no one ever went back cause they started cutting off peoples heads, and the cover story was it was in ruins and at the bottom of the sea. so future generations wouldn't go there, for their safety, i'm sure.

What???? And you are ac cusing other people of being lunatics? As far as past civilizations are concerned, I think it's just best to learn from mistakes, no?

yes if you forget history you are doomed to repeat it. lunatics? no, blood hungry? yes.

perhaps there was a continent, but either there still isnt enough proof or the truth is being withheld. what if there "great" advancements wasnt really that great to people of today? ow! they can make fire! yawn. oh look! a wheel! look irrigated fields! ditches? another yawn. look they use crystals to make fire! ummm, so do we. could they actually fly? and if so why is there no evidence of them anywhere? aliens? doubtful.

What are you trying to say?

i dont see how you couldnt gather this. ummm, they wasnt all that maybe? and not even a trace.

what if everyone in glp was the shill? what if i was the only shill? after all i dont believe in all the stuff the majority here does. i do look for truth, but it is a rarity. atleast my perception of truth is. or is your perception of truth truer than mine? do we even know what truth is? what is truth? are we even sure its defined correctly? what if the bible is truth, why is everyone against it? because it is truth? even some of those professing to believe it come off sounding like pharisee's and scribes. they study dead and non-existant languages and fill you with true meanings of words, all the while making you feel inferior. isn't that a stumbling block? didnt Jesus say not to throw those in front of the young ones to trip them up? i love it when someone says i need to study mens teachings in order to show myself and my faith as being true and approved.

So it's better to just accept the bible as it is today than try get closer to the source and see what it might have originally said? Is your faith that feeble that you are afraid of what might be found?

or is my faith so great i dont need to reaffirm it till im no longer a believer? it is mans way of overcomplicating things. man has problems of taking things on faith, soon enough men get bored and start building golden calves and adding all sorts of rituals, not for God, but for themselves. to make it more pagan like. look at the catholics. and before you know it theres a multitude of books and teachings, and soon enough people like you and me will be having discussions just like you and me. its the nature of men.

to God? or tell me my bible isnt enough and give me a list of books long enough to make a library. and suggest i learn the forementioned dead languages on top of that. so much for the burden being light and the yoke being easy. what is the true path to heaven? are you sure you want to trust the people filled with worldly intellect, intellect of men? and what is the intelligence of men when compared to the wisdom of God? there are two paths in life. always is. theres God's way and theirs mans way. figure out your own path, and then walk in it. as for me, i will stick to the bible as my sole means of understanding.

I really think it's about how we treat each other and not about a bunch of do's and don'ts

ok, this is where you lost me.

i feel that in my own personal walk with the Lord that i was saved by the bible, not any person or persons. no christian came to me and i didnt go out looking for them. i simply read my bible and asked for help in its understanding. even today i always find new things. the bible is like a garden, and everytime i enter it, i find different fruits to eat. its never the same. always different. if i may make a suggestion..... go straight to the bible for the truth. dont listen to anyone or anybody as they will scream your not smart enough or dont have any understanding or consult your vast library i told you to buy or just ask me and i'll tell you. the Holy Spirit will guide you into all truths, all you need to do is ask the Lord and it will come.

Well, congratulations on your success. I hope you get out of Christianity what you are looking for.

if you had read what i wrote, you would see i'm not getting anything from christianity, im more of a loner. and as to getting what i'm looking for, who knows.

and then stand firmly upon that rock. the winds will come as well as the rains but you will be ok. your on firm ground. if you want to know if your on the true path of the Lord it is easy to find out. do the non-believers hate you? and again, do the believers scoff at you as the non-believers do? if you find yourself utterly alone. your on the right path, the Lord is with you. it is the path less traveled. Jesus said, surely will i find faith when i return?

I'm on my path and I have faith that it is the right one for me. That faith is unshakable and does not come from words in a book. It comes from living and learning.

actually, this isn't written solely for you. its written for anyone who will read it. i know its the thread you started, but for some reason i kept typing. and before i knew it, it was a book. so i just posted it. it isnt an attack against you, but perhaps it will help others.

a roman soldier said, just say it and it will be so. Jesus said he had great faith. the bible is a collection of stories given by God, do you not have enough faith to believe it? must you constantly scrutinize it? Jesus said walk in the light that you know. and dont worry, he will be here soon enough. and then we will learn that which we know not. ok, so what would be my agenda? what do i have to gain? my agenda, is for me to tell you to read your bibles. and to have faith in them, that they are the words of God. and what gain is there for me? none. if anything, the gain is yours. oh, rant off. for now...........

And I should believe the bible is the word of god just because you or a pastor said so? You only believe it because you heard it from somewhere even though no one tried to convert you. You still HEARD that it was the word of God from somewhere. IT's A BOOK. You have no idea where it comes from. Save for very few words attributed to Jesus, the bible is filled with racism, hate, killing and condemnation. Sorry you get solace from that.

as i said previously, it isnt neccessarily for you. you have free will to believe what you will. correct no one tried to convert me. you would haft to understand my past, and then you would haft to understand the confusion. my dad was constantly searching when i was growing up. the occult, some strange religions i dont even remember the name of and finally he settled on fundamentalist latter day saint. it sounds very christian, and the people seem very nice neat and prim. and give the illusion of holiness. well i have battled all those things. and this is where im at. alone in seclusion by my self. the christian churches here seem wrong. so i am not affiliated. and im not here to convert you or anyone else, just to banter and deal with the overwhelming urge to share my faith with whom ever will listen. not neccessarily with anyone in particular. if your offended by my posts then please chalk it up to a peanut in the gallery. im used to that.

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Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!

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I feel you. I had thoughts like this until my heart told me otherwise. I mean why do you see masonic and illuminati imagry in the music industry and in movies. Could they really be that cocky or is something else cooking up. Who knows. I just distrust any illuminati anything. They killed Kennedy, Tupac, and numerous other GOOD people i looked up too. There tied into too much shit and it seems like what ever there doing they will kill to keep it a secret
 Quoting: Keef 1046397

Tupac wasn't killed by the illuminati. He was killed by a crackhead who felt he'd been disrespected. It was a Im_an_idiot moment gone bad. Nothing more. They know how did it and why. They just don't have enough to charge the guy.

Not every famous person who dies does so at the hands of the elite. Especially rappers. Those guys are just hoods from the hood and live in a culture of death and violence unlike any other. You have to expect them to be shot from time to time. Nothing conspiratorial about it. Unless you count the conspiracy of friends of the killer who refuse to turn evidence on him.
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ROFL. That is a funny one OP.

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Well, I had no idea that you could no longer use the word N...I...G...G...A... For some reason it was changed to "Im_an_idiot" which is stupid and childish and I expected better from GLP. What is this? Fark.com?
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I've often thought that they are, in a hidden way like Judas and satan...they've had to do some dirty deeds to accomplish something that could turn out to be a crucial part of God's plan for the Earth...
I've no idea how they will be judged for this, but I for one am eternally grateful that the acts of Judas led to the Resurrection.
The ptb however are the Powers That Be - they fight to keep the current fucked up situation going.
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Sex is life. I would like to hear or see anyone else prove otherwise.

Sniff sniff mmmmmmm nice.

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A Bavarian Illuminati primer
[link to www.freemasonry.bcy.ca]

(check the symbols in the photos)
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excuse me ..but if they are fallen angels would they not be trying to set themselves free so they are not destroyed by the ultimate creator ! Thats the story I learned ...once upon a time! LOL! Bad quys can not join the good guys they have been forever separated!

Believing in Fallen Angels, Lucifer, and Satan is giving too much credence to Christianity. I am not a Christian, Jew or Muslim.
 Quoting: WP 1047222

This is where some in depth research would serve you. Even if you do not accept Christianity...there are fallen or "evil" spirits in almost all world religions: Muslims and their Jinn, and Shaytain or however they spell it...Hindus have their demons, as well as Shinto, Buddhism...but the way in which some of them view or perceive that force ma find differences-or as to how it impacts their reality in realtime, there are differences

For that matter, if one studies Art History they will find many ecumenical type themes, like ascension, conception, messengers from above-in many paintings-one will notice flying 'hubcaps' or orbs...from the heavenly realms. Of course Muslims are forbidden to paint any images of any being-only designs, detailed beyond belief as that is what is allowed...

But go to Tibet and look at Mandalas...or the wheel of life, as it displays a multitude of hells for the gluttonous, the liars, the murderers, the fornicators, and so on

Or you can get really bold and study world religions and philosophies

It is salient that people the world over have similar themes-even if great distance between them, and the Christ archetype also found throughout-

Illuminati have an agenda-and whether they do wrong or right is of little consequence-as they have their focus on the goal, and they feel the END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS

I think they will find they were in error.

It is like entrapment for many-and many are weak, and they seem to exploit that-

From a "breeders" perspective-if that is who they think they are, the weak dying quickly allows the strong to flourish but if the "strong" are all that, why do they need to have the 'head start'?

I suggest the controllers who are vain and full of pride-exit if they can-for they will not get through at the expense of everyone else-the handful are not elite as they think-but tainted




In the world they would create-they would unleash destruction in the same movement upon themselves-and so they shall, the cycle has already begun, they cannot stop it from completing and THEY CANNOT CONTROL IT AS THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD

They will DABBLE

That is the length and breadth of what they know-and will not be given more to plague mankind with
They are bound by fear and the love for the use of power and principalities

Take care

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The Illuminati *ARE* the good guys.

This is true when you just look around and you see all the people who care only about the next meal and the next F**k.

Seriously, when you have a world of people who think that life is about follow Kim Kardasian and watching a TV "COPS" marathon, it's about time someone takes control over them.

Most people don't want to think.

Thinking and deciding is HARD work and we are programmed by our genetics to only want to eat and f**k. In fact as long as we solve the calorie problem till our next breeding we don't have to get any smarter.

Well, the Illuminati have figured it all out and realize that we have to be nudged, if not flung, into our next stage of evolution. Not all of us will make it, but that's okay because that is what evolution is all about.

Yes, the Illuminati ARE the good guys.

Dantalion Jones

BTW, If you have an Illuminati "eye" picture send it to me and I'll add it to my on-line collection here.
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OP, Illuminati is infiltrated, has been for a long time. Actually the movie Sherlock Holmes is about this, for those who have the eyes to see.
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Unfortunately Sherlock HOLMES, is not in any way related to the Illuminati. It is not infiltrated. Most people are just to Arrogant and Selfish to accept the idea of A NWO, a change of religion, culture, a re-interpretation of the whole human existence. I hope the Illuminati take power soon. They inspire me to make changes in my life and think different. Idol1peacestarwars