Has anyone ever considered that the Illuminati are the good guys?

I noticed that about Sherlock Holmes right away. I consider Guy Ritchie and his ex-wife to be two of the good guys.

Again with the reading comprehension. My question was what if the Illuminati are NOT THE PEOPLE DOING THAT, but are working within these groups to PREVENT what you say.

WOW, one of my own threads has two pages!!!! That's never happened. Some of them have never even gotten a response!!!!

My belief in good and evil is a little different. Good reaps good, evil reaps evil. Whether certain beings are fallen is irrelevant when it comes to how they behave, wouldn't you say? Maybe we are all fallen. Maybe they are "fallen" to assist us? Maybe God was leaving us to our own devices and these beings "fell" to help us.

We shouldn't judge these beings any more than we should judge each other.

If there were "factions", they would be out there talking about openly.

Just get busy dying already.

Who's the shill? You or me?

What makes you think they would be out there talking openly?

It´s very likely so.

If they had evil plans, they could have carried them out long ago already.

People talk about staging crises. That makes no sense: we´ve had many crises that have been managed to avoid the total collapse that was already imminent. If that had been the objective, there would have been no point in avoiding catastrophe.

Besides, higher level planning is clearly necessary. We can see what our system has produced.

What I want to know is WHY WAS DONNA SUMMER SO COOL

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If they wanted to help, anyone in the Bilderberg group could stand in front of an MSM camera anytime they wanted to and talk OPENLY about the group.


God you are a child.

Keep it up, you're doing wonderfully

They need DENIABILITY in case something goes wrong. They cannot OPENLY commit tyranny or everyone knows what is going on. Instead, they engineer chaos and let the sheep run to them for "help".

They have evil plans.

I'm not the one sounding like some naive optimistic child.

Actually, you are.

What if Santa was really real?

Ouch. What is so optimistic that I have said?

Sorry, you are sounding like a bratty child. Ever consider how throwing insults and negative things out there is going to come back at you?

i'd call it bending over backwards
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Absolutely, for when we do we only judge ourselves and the negative attracts the negative and makes it more powerful. Positive attracts positive, and that is the ultimate power.

So, by asking questions and trying to look at things a little differently, I'm a shill?

I've been asked to hurry up and die and been called a naive optimistic child. Interesting. I'm certain that there are bad forces and things out there, but if there are bad there must be good forces as well. I don't think there are many human beings that are truly evil. How can an institution made up of individuals be absolute.

Certainly voices of light and hope have been silenced. JFK and RFK come to mind. So does Princess Diana.

If you will look carefully at the question I ask, I am asking if the Illuminati is who you think they are.

So, call me a shill if you want. Take a good look at yourselves.

The shills always show up on threads of actual value, the doom threads work well for TPTB on the negative side.

Many take different paths to get where they need to go, and some have just recently discovered the various secrets society's roles in controlling the masses, so they see only black and white. Or mostly black. They feel duped and aren't ready for the larger truth yet.

You clearly put too much importance on our CaBaLs (carbon based lifeforms) than they deserve! We use these CaBaLs as vehicles to get us around and to learn about Life, nothing more! We use one, it dies, then we get another one and continue until we've mastered the lessons we're suppose to learn.

Kennedy knew he would be assasinated so get over it!

Lincoln knew he would be assasinated so get over it!

We all knew the EOTW was coming so get with it!

Ribbit

Ps: The Illuminati are the good guys, just as the Knights Templar are and Masons are and Skull & Crossbones guys are, because they are all the same peeps! You just don't understand what good is! You think God can't harm a single one of us, yet it is God that does EVERYTHING, so . . . .

There is NO sPoon!

There is NO dEvil!

There is only God and various increments of God or the lack thereof!

and the flipside of that logic is-

They're ALL EVOOL!
There Are no Good Guys!
Everyone is out to get me, us, you, etc..

Neither scenario is correct.

And you underestimate who you are and what you are capable of.You give TPTB too much credit. When you think like that, it is exactly what you get.

By the way Thank you OP for a genuine thread that asks a constructive question.

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Oh, you're welcome. I just think if there are powerful people of groups out there that want to hurt, destroy, or enslave us that there must be powerful people out there that want to help us. If the people that are intelligent want to help us, the smart way would be to do it from within. It's only logical

Well, I dont know how many people have actually done any research on them, and I dont mean to read one book or watch a video with specific orientation. There is so much misinformation that you can hardly know for sure.

Were they the good guys in the 18th century?
Were they the same guys (in principles) in the 19th and the 20th?
Are they the same guys today in the 21st?

(The same goes for the masons and every secret society or better for every organisation and constitution.)

And again, what do we mean by the "good guys"?
For whom? For society? For what kind of society? And in which timeline?

IMO they are the good guys, as long as they have kept their initial motivations and principles. Have they?

This is how I see things and I don't have to watch a video to see it: It is clear that there are forces in this world that try to control us and deny our us our happiness. They classify certain human behaviours that are harmless in the same group as human behaviors that are not harmless. I'm speaking of sexual oppression there. Having sex outside of marriage or being gay is not the same as killing another human being. These same people exploit and drive people into dire economic situations where people are forced to go into survival mode and crime becomes rampant. Yet the people doing the exploiting use a religion to condemn people to hell. They force a version of God that condemns his creations to hell if they don't walk the straight and narrow path which is more like a tightrope. A human being doesn't throw his child to the wolves for being bad, yet the God they want us to believe condemns us to hell and says we chose it. Money becomes even more important than this God they want us to worship as these people create conflict to rape the land.

Yet I see people out there that want to put and end to this. JFK and Martin Luther King Jr. believed we could all live together. Princess Diana advocated against land mines and showed that people with AIDS would not make us sick. Entertainers like Madonna spit in the face of sexual oppression from the church. Call me silly for referencing her, but look at the walls she knocked down.

You had the founding father's of the United States that wrote a brilliant paper about freedom, and now there are countries that have adopted those notions that believe more in it than most Americans do now.

There were good guys out there. Where are they now? I don't see many of them. Maybe they've pulled away because a lot of humanity has become very dark. I don't know